So Back to Basics, despite not being on the reserved list, has not seen a reprint, and now has risen to a much higher price than before. I'm honestly kind of surprised it's dodged so many masters sets while Blood Moon gets reprinted constantly. I'd say get rid of them at the current price for sure, what do you guys think?
I'd agree, if anyone has copies then now is the time to sell. Blood Moon has gotten three Masters printings thus far, but only one of those was in a non-Modern set. With WotC's announcement regarding the future of Masters sets, I'd expect to see Back to Basics sooner than later; the last two Masters sets combined have contained quite a few reprints of cards with price tags that were inflated due to scarcity more so than demand. It's an inclusion that would boost the perceived EV of a box prior to release and then drop back down to a <$15 card afterwards.
While I agree in general with the statement, why would you want to sell right now? There isn't another Masters set on the horizon and you have all of 2018 and some portion of 2019 before it stands a reasonable shot at a reprint.
Is sitting on a copy (I think I have one somewhere) for a few months a worthwhile decision?
From my POV, sitting on a copy for only a few months is still "selling now". I move pretty glacially
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It's way more playable, and an essential part of a winning Legacy deck that will never be reprinted. I wish that I could be surprised, but this is the world in which we live.
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It's way more playable, and an essential part of a winning Legacy deck that will never be reprinted. I wish that I could be surprised, but this is the world in which we live.
I wish I thought to buy more back when no one wanted it.
It's way more playable, and an essential part of a winning Legacy deck that will never be reprinted. I wish that I could be surprised, but this is the world in which we live.
When Vintage was more popular than Legacy, you needed Black Lotus to play. You don't need Tabernacle in Legacy unless you want to play a weird deck that is not everybody's cup of tea.
Certainly a trophy card, but I'm not sure that comparison is apt.
So Back to Basics, despite not being on the reserved list, has not seen a reprint, and now has risen to a much higher price than before. I'm honestly kind of surprised it's dodged so many masters sets while Blood Moon gets reprinted constantly. I'd say get rid of them at the current price for sure, what do you guys think?
I'd agree, if anyone has copies then now is the time to sell. Blood Moon has gotten three Masters printings thus far, but only one of those was in a non-Modern set. With WotC's announcement regarding the future of Masters sets, I'd expect to see Back to Basics sooner than later; the last two Masters sets combined have contained quite a few reprints of cards with price tags that were inflated due to scarcity more so than demand. It's an inclusion that would boost the perceived EV of a box prior to release and then drop back down to a <$15 card afterwards.
While I agree in general with the statement, why would you want to sell right now? There isn't another Masters set on the horizon and you have all of 2018 and some portion of 2019 before it stands a reasonable shot at a reprint.
Is sitting on a copy (I think I have one somewhere) for a few months a worthwhile decision?
When I made the comment I was of the mind that the spike was a knee-jerk response following the confirmation that Back to Basics wouldn't be reprinted in M25 and likely a buy out rather than an organic demand for the card. I don't recall how many copies were available on TCGplayer prior to the spike, but right now there's still only 26 listed, so I'm assuming it was somewhere in that ballpark. Since it's relatively simple to pull off a buy out on cards with just a handful of copies listed for sale, it seemed likely that we'd see a pump n' dump. The card has found its way into a number of various Legacy decks, so there's no denying the fact that some legitimately organic demand exists, but not enough IMO to warrant the $90+ price point it had at the time. But even if there was, that kind of jump typically catches the attention of folks who have a play set or two just sitting in binders and realize they can dig them out and make some cash. That then leads to an influx of copies back into the market by a segment of sellers who are all under-cutting each other in order to secure the sale, bringing down the card's market value in the process. Whenever something like that happens to a non-RL card and I have extra copies, I usually try to play it safe and pull the trigger before it reaches its plateau. There have definitely been times when I screwed myself by selling off too early (e.g. Dumping 10x Mishra's Bauble mid-spike and kicking myself as I watched its value double for the second time over the following month), but then there have been other times where I sell something at/near its peak and watch the needle move down the opposite direction.
I think it's really just personal preference; I have no qualms sacrificing a little extra profit by selling conservatively, but I also have buddies who will dig up their Devoted Druids or whatever flavor of the month is spiking and ride it to the top haha. I realize this response is coming over a month after the fact and the topic is irrelevant now, but I figured I'd still explain my rationale. It's not quite fair of me to pull a captain hindsight and point out that Back to Basics has dropped $40 since then, buuuut it has
The reason why I dug up this thread was to try and get some opinions from you fine folks. Long story short, I stopped playing the game sometime after Shadowmoor and came back around Theros block right before starting med school. As I was thinking about playing again, I attempted to track down my old collection I had as a kid, but I unfortunately found out that it was the victim of a garage sale sometime while I was away at undergrad. Since I no longer had my set of Gaea's Cradle or the handful of duals I owned, I essentially started back from square one and have just been playing Modern. In the meantime, I've been slowly picking up various duals and staples along the way in order to restore some of the pieces to my collection and build a respectable Legacy deck for FNM. I'm fortunate to have an LGS that fires Legacy FNMs about twice a month, but have yet to been able to register. However, I finally picked up the last Badlands I needed for my BR Reanimator list and now I just need to go pick up the remaining random pieces I'm missing. On the topic of Revised duals, I've noticed a lot more movement within the last couple months compared to the last few years and I'm starting to worry that I'll miss the boat if I don't pick up the pace and just get what I need now before prices have a chance to get out of hand. I'm curious as what ya'll believe are the most versatile duals in terms of flexibility for future deck building? I currently have x3 Scrubland, x3 Badlands, x1 Plateau, x1 Bayou, x1 Underground Sea, & x1 Tropical Island. I had also planned on trying to complete the set of Bayou, so I could play Elves, but then I saw the price of Gaea's Cradle and quickly abandoned that plan. So right now I'm just trying to lay down some sort of mana foundation that I can build on in the future. I really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions; thanks, folks!
I'm curious as what ya'll believe are the most versatile duals in terms of flexibility for future deck building? I currently have x3 Scrubland, x3 Badlands, x1 Plateau, x1 Bayou, x1 Underground Sea, & x1 Tropical Island. I had also planned on trying to complete the set of Bayou, so I could play Elves, but then I saw the price of Gaea's Cradle and quickly abandoned that plan. So right now I'm just trying to lay down some sort of mana foundation that I can build on in the future. I really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions; thanks, folks!
If I were you I would pick one deck you really like, and get that manabase. Your secondary decks will be relegated to mostly decks w/o RL lands (Burn, Fish, D&T, Manaless Dredge, Omnitell, Oops, etc). You have a lot of traders - so try to turn your mish-mash dual land collection into something actually playable:
Trade into 4x City Of Traitors. This opens you up to Eldrazi, Moon Stompy, MUD, etc. Some Eldrazi lists can get away with just 2 or 3 (especially Big Eldrazi) if for some reason you can't get all 4.
Trade into 4x Cradle and a second Bayou. This builds only Elves, but that's a fascinating deck with many deep lines of play. Ideally you would want a Taiga for splashing purposes. You might also want a Savannah and Trop for more thorough options, but these are not really necessary right now.
You can go for the Green midrange package. If you can get the right combination of Savannahs, Bayous, and Taigas you can build Maverick, Nic Fit, Jund, etc. A single Badlands and Scrubland opens that up to Aggro Loam (but Moxen might be a problem).
EDIT - 2 or 3 Bayous will also let you play Depths combo.
(mulitcoloured) Blue decks are trickier. For most Midrange or Tempo decks, you will need multiples of Trop, Volc, and probably Seas as well.
3-4 Tundras + ideally a Volc opens the door to Miracles (and possible Stoneblade). 4x Volc lets you play U/R Prowess (Delver). 4x Trop is all you need for Infect. 2 Seas, or 1 Sea plus a Trop, lets you play Death's Shadow.
Bottom line - you are going in too many directions right now. Pick something to focus on.
Best of luck!
So i'm looking at the RL duals, especially for blue, they are crazy high...especially Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. Will prices ever drop or should I just accept they will just keep increasing forever?
So i'm looking at the RL duals, especially for blue, they are crazy high...especially Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. Will prices ever drop or should I just accept they will just keep increasing forever?
Just gotta accept it and pick up whatever you need before they climb even higher.
So i'm looking at the RL duals, especially for blue, they are crazy high...especially Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. Will prices ever drop or should I just accept they will just keep increasing forever?
Just gotta accept it and pick up whatever you need before they climb even higher.
Pretty much this. They went into a lull and price dip maybe 2-3 years ago, but it's been consistently up since then. This trend is likely to continue in the short (next year or two) term as well. We're consistently seeing runs on RL cards and dual lands are probably the most consistent cards there. To make a stock market analogy they are the bluest of blue chips.
So i'm looking at the RL duals, especially for blue, they are crazy high...especially Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. Will prices ever drop or should I just accept they will just keep increasing forever?
Blue duals are pretty much the bread and butter of Legacy and Vintage. Since everyone knows that they'll never be reprinted, they're "safe" places to park value. Unless something major happen, they will simply keep going up (barring minute fluctuations).
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What happened to Donate?
Spiked from $4 to $18 this week
Is the Donate/Illusion of Grandeur combo going popular again?!
Doubtful. Some ***** heads are buying out nearly every single card on the RL in addition to random non-RL cards from Arabian, Stronghold, Tempest, etc that don't even see play. The last couple weeks have been a *****storm of market manipulation.
It's a card that will never be printed again and the effect has been shifted to another color entirely, so they probably won't just print a re-costed slightly different version of the original either.
Let's also not forget that the original version (in blue) will probably just be better 99% of the time you want to run it in a deck. In the format it will see the MOST play, i.e. Commander, this color issue becomes a lot more relevant.
It's pushing twenty years old. Compared to current print runs of Magic sets, there just weren't that many to begin with and far fewer nowadays. Like several orders of magnitude fewer.
Finally, it's just a unique, and certainly powerful (not to mention, completely open-ended) effect. I don't know if $18 is out of the question but (considering everything above) I think $4 was probably a LOT below what this card should've cost.
Like it or not, this card seems like a very reasonable buyout target. It always sucks to have to pay more for cards but this one actually makes some sense is all I'm saying. If anything, just be happy they found a workable reprint solution via the colorshift.
A lot more than just Meditate did. Phyrexian Dreadnought has also jumped. There's some others but I can't look them up right now.
Meditate's spike was due to a fake MTGTOP8 submission featuring the card. Good time to remind ourselves to use caution as the secondary market is subjected to zero regulations and shady practices like this are 100% legal. In regards to spikes from the weekend/previous week, here's a modest list of cards that have spiked by at least 100% :
I'am quiet new on this forum and wanted to ask if someone knows why the price of Scrubland is extremly rising on magic cardmarket (europe)?
Does some new deck in Legacy or Vintage needs them?
The price of all Revised duals has been climbing steadily for some time now. I happen to keep track via a spreadsheet all of my most expensive cards (cards worth $50 or more). I update that list about every 4-6 months. That allows me to put some historical context in my assessment. Here are some historical prices of Revised Duals, using TCGP low (can't attest to MCM prices, but I imagine the increase is similar).
As you can see, the price of 1x of each of the 10 has doubled in the last 11 months. Heck, it's up nearly $1,100 in just the last 6 weeks. I don't think it's any particular Legacy deck driving the spike in Scrubland (or any of the others), just so much as an upward trajectory of highly desirable lands.
I'am quiet new on this forum and wanted to ask if someone knows why the price of Scrubland is extremly rising on magic cardmarket (europe)?
Does some new deck in Legacy or Vintage needs them?
Thanks in advance
Maverick (Legacy) uses Scrubland and Savannah, and apparently the deck has had a good week.
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From my POV, sitting on a copy for only a few months is still "selling now". I move pretty glacially
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Tabernacle is the new Black ... Lotus.
It's way more playable, and an essential part of a winning Legacy deck that will never be reprinted. I wish that I could be surprised, but this is the world in which we live.
I wish I thought to buy more back when no one wanted it.
When Vintage was more popular than Legacy, you needed Black Lotus to play. You don't need Tabernacle in Legacy unless you want to play a weird deck that is not everybody's cup of tea.
Certainly a trophy card, but I'm not sure that comparison is apt.
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When I made the comment I was of the mind that the spike was a knee-jerk response following the confirmation that Back to Basics wouldn't be reprinted in M25 and likely a buy out rather than an organic demand for the card. I don't recall how many copies were available on TCGplayer prior to the spike, but right now there's still only 26 listed, so I'm assuming it was somewhere in that ballpark. Since it's relatively simple to pull off a buy out on cards with just a handful of copies listed for sale, it seemed likely that we'd see a pump n' dump. The card has found its way into a number of various Legacy decks, so there's no denying the fact that some legitimately organic demand exists, but not enough IMO to warrant the $90+ price point it had at the time. But even if there was, that kind of jump typically catches the attention of folks who have a play set or two just sitting in binders and realize they can dig them out and make some cash. That then leads to an influx of copies back into the market by a segment of sellers who are all under-cutting each other in order to secure the sale, bringing down the card's market value in the process. Whenever something like that happens to a non-RL card and I have extra copies, I usually try to play it safe and pull the trigger before it reaches its plateau. There have definitely been times when I screwed myself by selling off too early (e.g. Dumping 10x Mishra's Bauble mid-spike and kicking myself as I watched its value double for the second time over the following month), but then there have been other times where I sell something at/near its peak and watch the needle move down the opposite direction.
I think it's really just personal preference; I have no qualms sacrificing a little extra profit by selling conservatively, but I also have buddies who will dig up their Devoted Druids or whatever flavor of the month is spiking and ride it to the top haha. I realize this response is coming over a month after the fact and the topic is irrelevant now, but I figured I'd still explain my rationale. It's not quite fair of me to pull a captain hindsight and point out that Back to Basics has dropped $40 since then, buuuut it has
The reason why I dug up this thread was to try and get some opinions from you fine folks. Long story short, I stopped playing the game sometime after Shadowmoor and came back around Theros block right before starting med school. As I was thinking about playing again, I attempted to track down my old collection I had as a kid, but I unfortunately found out that it was the victim of a garage sale sometime while I was away at undergrad. Since I no longer had my set of Gaea's Cradle or the handful of duals I owned, I essentially started back from square one and have just been playing Modern. In the meantime, I've been slowly picking up various duals and staples along the way in order to restore some of the pieces to my collection and build a respectable Legacy deck for FNM. I'm fortunate to have an LGS that fires Legacy FNMs about twice a month, but have yet to been able to register. However, I finally picked up the last Badlands I needed for my BR Reanimator list and now I just need to go pick up the remaining random pieces I'm missing. On the topic of Revised duals, I've noticed a lot more movement within the last couple months compared to the last few years and I'm starting to worry that I'll miss the boat if I don't pick up the pace and just get what I need now before prices have a chance to get out of hand. I'm curious as what ya'll believe are the most versatile duals in terms of flexibility for future deck building? I currently have x3 Scrubland, x3 Badlands, x1 Plateau, x1 Bayou, x1 Underground Sea, & x1 Tropical Island. I had also planned on trying to complete the set of Bayou, so I could play Elves, but then I saw the price of Gaea's Cradle and quickly abandoned that plan. So right now I'm just trying to lay down some sort of mana foundation that I can build on in the future. I really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions; thanks, folks!
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If I were you I would pick one deck you really like, and get that manabase. Your secondary decks will be relegated to mostly decks w/o RL lands (Burn, Fish, D&T, Manaless Dredge, Omnitell, Oops, etc). You have a lot of traders - so try to turn your mish-mash dual land collection into something actually playable:
Best of luck!
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UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Is it still a good time to trade modern staples into original duals?
Modern staples will usually have a good chance of be reprinted. The duals do not. So I'd say yes, you should trade into them.
Just gotta accept it and pick up whatever you need before they climb even higher.
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Pretty much this. They went into a lull and price dip maybe 2-3 years ago, but it's been consistently up since then. This trend is likely to continue in the short (next year or two) term as well. We're consistently seeing runs on RL cards and dual lands are probably the most consistent cards there. To make a stock market analogy they are the bluest of blue chips.
Blue duals are pretty much the bread and butter of Legacy and Vintage. Since everyone knows that they'll never be reprinted, they're "safe" places to park value. Unless something major happen, they will simply keep going up (barring minute fluctuations).
Spiked from $4 to $18 this week
Is the Donate/Illusion of Grandeur combo going popular again?!
Doubtful. Some ***** heads are buying out nearly every single card on the RL in addition to random non-RL cards from Arabian, Stronghold, Tempest, etc that don't even see play. The last couple weeks have been a *****storm of market manipulation.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
It's a card that will never be printed again and the effect has been shifted to another color entirely, so they probably won't just print a re-costed slightly different version of the original either.
Let's also not forget that the original version (in blue) will probably just be better 99% of the time you want to run it in a deck. In the format it will see the MOST play, i.e. Commander, this color issue becomes a lot more relevant.
It's pushing twenty years old. Compared to current print runs of Magic sets, there just weren't that many to begin with and far fewer nowadays. Like several orders of magnitude fewer.
Finally, it's just a unique, and certainly powerful (not to mention, completely open-ended) effect. I don't know if $18 is out of the question but (considering everything above) I think $4 was probably a LOT below what this card should've cost.
Like it or not, this card seems like a very reasonable buyout target. It always sucks to have to pay more for cards but this one actually makes some sense is all I'm saying. If anything, just be happy they found a workable reprint solution via the colorshift.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11439737#post11439737
Reality is only what man allows it to be. Few shape it so that many may accept it.
A lot more than just Meditate did. Phyrexian Dreadnought has also jumped. There's some others but I can't look them up right now.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
Meditate's spike was due to a fake MTGTOP8 submission featuring the card. Good time to remind ourselves to use caution as the secondary market is subjected to zero regulations and shady practices like this are 100% legal. In regards to spikes from the weekend/previous week, here's a modest list of cards that have spiked by at least 100% :
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
I'am quiet new on this forum and wanted to ask if someone knows why the price of Scrubland is extremly rising on magic cardmarket (europe)?
Does some new deck in Legacy or Vintage needs them?
Thanks in advance
Today (5/14) (1x of each = $3,072)
Underground Sea: $550
Volcanic Island: $472
Tropical Island: $295
Tundra: $285
Bayou $350
Badlands $225
Savannah: $182
Scrubland: $300
Taiga: $163
Plateau: $250
March 1st, 2018 (1x of each = $1,953)
Underground Sea: $395
Volcanic Island: $371
Tropical Island: $227
Tundra: $224
Bayou $203
Badlands $155
Savannah: $99
Scrubland: $105
Taiga: $93
Plateau: $81
June 30, 2017 (1x of each = $1,476)
Underground Sea: $293
Volcanic Island: $268
Tropical Island: $184
Tundra: $157
Bayou $172
Badlands $108
Savannah: $78
Scrubland: $74
Taiga: $82
Plateau: $60
January 17, 2017 (1x of each = $1,380)
Underground Sea: $285
Volcanic Island: $255
Tropical Island: $182
Tundra: $174
Bayou $168
Badlands $92
Savannah: $76
Scrubland: $75
Taiga: $73
Plateau: $56
As you can see, the price of 1x of each of the 10 has doubled in the last 11 months. Heck, it's up nearly $1,100 in just the last 6 weeks. I don't think it's any particular Legacy deck driving the spike in Scrubland (or any of the others), just so much as an upward trajectory of highly desirable lands.
Yeah prices are more or less all rising on MCM.
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UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Agreed. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason for current asking prices outside of the top 5-6 duals.
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Maverick (Legacy) uses Scrubland and Savannah, and apparently the deck has had a good week.