I watched a guy crack a case yesterday and then my friends and I drafted a box. Not a single FoW. Out of any of it. As far as uncommons went, I think there were 3/4 Dazes, 3 Therapy, 2 Chain Lightning, and 3 Young Pyromancer out of that case. Our drafted box saw a brainstorm, a therapy, and a chain lighting. Of course this is a small sample of 5 boxes, but it gives the impression that the money uncommons are 1-2 each, at best, per box. It should help the price some, but based on the limited supply run, I'm starting to form the opinion that the supply will not be substantially increased, but we should see some prices cool off a little bit on these uncommons. Since most of the uncommons are sought as a 4x anyway, I'm not seeing supply being substantially increased. WoTC has been very cautious with this product's print run. I did, however, get to see a foil Natural Order, foil Toxic Deluge, and foil Karakas come out of the case, alongside a full playset of Tops, so that was impressive.
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There are 72 uncommons, plus foils, in every box of Eternal Masters. Eternal Masters has 80 uncommons, so it sounds like your numbers are right in line with the math.
Yep, I had the same experience. Pulled nary a chain lightning in a box and a few drafts, but I did get a foil brainstrom, which is fun. The box technically was worth it, money-wise, but I probably would not have chosen to buy the cards I got at retail.
My friend and I had the opposite experience. Out of three boxes, we got at least a playset of cabal therapies and chain lightnings (I think I have 6 chain lits), along with 3 dazes, and more than a set each of pyro/STP/brainstorm.
My friend and I had the opposite experience. Out of three boxes, we got at least a playset of cabal therapies and chain lightnings (I think I have 6 chain lits), along with 3 dazes, and more than a set each of pyro/STP/brainstorm.
I've opened almost exactly 3 boxes, only got 1 chain lightning and 1 brainstorm. I have yet to see a STP. I think I did get 4 cabal therapies, 4 pyro/hydroblasts, 2 daze. I think I have 8 harmonize.
There is a video on YouTube that shows the results of 30 boxes being opened, the guy figured he got one FoW for every 4.3 boxes if I remember correctly.
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I noticed from day one of box openings, Forces haven't really populated the market. The time to buy Forces were opening day. I wish I listened to myself, but I had faith in WotC that they weren't going to screw up these printings. The same thing they did with certain uncommoms becoming rarer, they did with Forces.
I noticed from day one of box openings, Forces haven't really populated the market. The time to buy Forces were opening day. I wish I listened to myself, but I had faith in WotC that they weren't going to screw up these printings. The same thing they did with certain uncommoms becoming rarer, they did with Forces.
Unless you have opened some hundreds of boxes you are likely to have been fooled by randomness.
No, but I watched the amounts of Forces that were on TCG, watched practically all of the videos on YouTube for EMA, and talked with people from Sacramento to San Francisco about their drafts and box openings, as well as talking to a few Legacy streams. They all noted that Force was barely seen cracked compared to Jace, Mana Crypt, and Karakas.
Sure this is a "small" pool of references to learn from, but it is notable.
No, but I watched the amounts of Forces that were on TCG, watched practically all of the videos on YouTube for EMA, and talked with people from Sacramento to San Francisco about their drafts and box openings, as well as talking to a few Legacy streams. They all noted that Force was barely seen cracked compared to Jace, Mana Crypt, and Karakas.
Sure this is a "small" pool of references to learn from, but it is notable.
Cards are printed on sheets with equal numbers of each mythic. There is zero chance that Forces occur less than other mythics in this printing, unless a magical faerie (or incredibly stupid and clever employee) is stealing them.
Moat seems to have spiked hard. My guess is that supply just dried up as Miracles players picked them up for sideboard play against Eldrazi. No way the new price sticks, since it's a fringe-ish sideboard card. But collectibility and rarity will keep it around ~$500 as a new price in my estimation.
Moat seems to have spiked hard. My guess is that supply just dried up as Miracles players picked them up for sideboard play against Eldrazi. No way the new price sticks, since it's a fringe-ish sideboard card. But collectibility and rarity will keep it around ~$500 as a new price in my estimation.
Someone seems to be manipulating the TCGplayer market and that is where most of this pricing nonsense comes from. Something similar happened to Library of Alexandria a while back. Someone is buying up the last few copies of NM/LP cards and then listing them back up for 2 or 3 times original price. From what I can tell it's really only TCGplayer that's effected. You can still find the cards close to their original price on Ebay and other retailers that aren't on TCGplayer.
They're not manipulating them, those cards were hella underpriced before. There's no reason why Moat should be $350 when Tabernacle is $1250 since Miracles is a better deck than Lands.
You need a minimum of one Moat to play Miracles at a high level, even if it is a sideboard card.
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They're not manipulating them, those cards were hella underpriced before. There's no reason why Moat should be $350 when Tabernacle is $1250 since Miracles is a better deck than Lands.
You need a minimum of one Moat to play Miracles at a high level, even if it is a sideboard card.
I agree they are underpriced at their current level. the reason I was saying someone is manipulating the pricing is because TCGplayer was being targeted for either low supply and new cards being put in at 2 or 3 times the cost when other providers (individual retailers not on TCG, Ebay, etc) had prices similar to previous levels. Most of the Magic Markets view TCGplayer's information when they run their pricing data (MTGgoldfish, MTGstocks, etc)
Moat is popping up again all over ebay for $300-$350, seems like the buyout didnt work as well. Everyone is right here, the card is underpriced BUT its current price its trying to be manipulated.
Give it time, Moat will be $1000 soon. Right now, the buyout was the initial trigger. Now, everyone who wants to sell is selling, and once those have dried up, the card will be $1000.
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Give it time, Moat will be $1000 soon. Right now, the buyout was the initial trigger. Now, everyone who wants to sell is selling, and once those have dried up, the card will be $1000.
How much time will it need? Serious question, no sarcasm or anything. I would like to know a projected value, we can all agree that eventually Underground Sea or Volcanic Island will reach $1000 but if that "eventually" means 15 years from now its not a good investment. Its a sideboard card that only white decks can play, so i dont see it naturally growing that much in a short term.
Moat is popping up again all over ebay for $300-$350, seems like the buyout didnt work as well. Everyone is right here, the card is underpriced BUT its current price its trying to be manipulated.
This is simply untrue. There's no evidence as to ANY listing popping up on ebay for $300 to $350, let alone "all over", therefore no validity to your claim the buyout didn't work. Two hours after your post and as of this moment, there are 12 copies for sale on eBay. 10 have BIN's, the cheapest being $550, and the two auction style listings are both over $460 currently, have MULTIPLE bids with at least 2 days to go, and have been at least $440 since yesterday (IE, you didn't see them at $300-$350 and they got bid up within the last 2 hours). Also, only 1 English Moat auction has closed in the last two days, so you didn't see any for $300-$350 that have since ended.
Moat is popping up again all over ebay for $300-$350, seems like the buyout didnt work as well. Everyone is right here, the card is underpriced BUT its current price its trying to be manipulated.
This is simply untrue. There's no evidence as to ANY listing popping up on ebay for $300 to $350, let alone "all over", therefore no validity to your claim the buyout didn't work. Two hours after your post and as of this moment, there are 12 copies for sale on eBay. 10 have BIN's, the cheapest being $550, and the two auction style listings are both over $460 currently, have MULTIPLE bids with at least 2 days to go, and have been at least $440 since yesterday (IE, you didn't see them at $300-$350 and they got bid up within the last 2 hours). Also, only 1 English Moat auction has closed in the last two days, so you didn't see any for $300-$350 that have since ended.
In the last 24 hours ChannelFireball, ABUGames, TrollandToad and CCGhouse have either sold out or jacked up their prices. Definitely seeing a market reaction on this one. ABU is up to $600.
/edit SCG is out of stock at $499 as well. This buyout has certainly caused a paniced reaction.
Give it time, Moat will be $1000 soon. Right now, the buyout was the initial trigger. Now, everyone who wants to sell is selling, and once those have dried up, the card will be $1000.
How much time will it need? Serious question, no sarcasm or anything. I would like to know a projected value, we can all agree that eventually Underground Sea or Volcanic Island will reach $1000 but if that "eventually" means 15 years from now its not a good investment. Its a sideboard card that only white decks can play, so i dont see it naturally growing that much in a short term.
Going from about $300 to $1000 in 15 years, assuming it's in real returns, not nominal, is a quite decent return (7.6% per year).
I wouldn't remotely say you need moat to play legacy miracles competitively. Could just run different cards that are more effective or about the same in terms of effectiveness. The reason tabernacle is worth more is because lands is also tier 1 in legacy AND tabernacle can go in more decks than moat can being a land. Not to mention people just value tabernacle more than moat for literally any reason although the fact that it has always been worth more than moat ever since legacy became a thing helps it. Tabernacle might as well be the black lotus of legacy in terms of price tag as I doubt anything ever surpasses the price of tabernacle.
As for where moat lands in terms of price, unsure. It's a rare from legends/the sky is the limit. I'd say <$1000, but it could land anywhere below that price although I doubt it's under $600 when the dust settles.
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Where can we expect Tabernacle to go to the in the next year? It's currently more expensive than bad power. I think this card can be $2k+ in the next couple years.
1) Lands is not always a deck to beat in Legacy with regards to power level in the same way Miracles/Delver is.
2) Lands is harder to play than Miracles/Delver
3) Wizards could easily print a better creature-taxing land in a supplemental set like Commander 2016. If this happens, the card craters hard. They can't do that with stuff like power or duals.
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LEGO sets, even the expensive sets, don't seem like a good investment. Like the article said, stacking the boxes horizontally can crush them, lowering the value. I wanted to get a Batman Tumbler while it was still in stock at lego.com, but it's been retired for a while. I can still buy it for $300 shipped on eBay, and I can't tell if it's the same price as it was on lego.com or lower. Several of the sets I've seen on eBay have a crease in the box which lowered the value, and it's pretty easy to crease a box.
1) Lands is not always a deck to beat in Legacy with regards to power level in the same way Miracles/Delver is.
2) Lands is harder to play than Miracles/Delver
3) Wizards could easily print a better creature-taxing land in a supplemental set like Commander 2016. If this happens, the card craters hard. They can't do that with stuff like power or duals.
While they could make a tabernacle with the Magus of the Tabernacle template (make it say sacrifice and not destroy) and have it tap for colorless mana, they probably wouldn't do it because they could get backlash from the collector community just like when they printed Reverberate. Yes the cards are technically different, but they probably feel that it violates the spirit of the reserved list. It's why they haven't made dual lands with basic land types that also tap for colorless or even snow duals.
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Unless you have opened some hundreds of boxes you are likely to have been fooled by randomness.
Sure this is a "small" pool of references to learn from, but it is notable.
Cards are printed on sheets with equal numbers of each mythic. There is zero chance that Forces occur less than other mythics in this printing, unless a magical faerie (or incredibly stupid and clever employee) is stealing them.
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Someone seems to be manipulating the TCGplayer market and that is where most of this pricing nonsense comes from. Something similar happened to Library of Alexandria a while back. Someone is buying up the last few copies of NM/LP cards and then listing them back up for 2 or 3 times original price. From what I can tell it's really only TCGplayer that's effected. You can still find the cards close to their original price on Ebay and other retailers that aren't on TCGplayer.
You need a minimum of one Moat to play Miracles at a high level, even if it is a sideboard card.
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I agree they are underpriced at their current level. the reason I was saying someone is manipulating the pricing is because TCGplayer was being targeted for either low supply and new cards being put in at 2 or 3 times the cost when other providers (individual retailers not on TCG, Ebay, etc) had prices similar to previous levels. Most of the Magic Markets view TCGplayer's information when they run their pricing data (MTGgoldfish, MTGstocks, etc)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/805-w-underground-sea-h-revised-lands
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How much time will it need? Serious question, no sarcasm or anything. I would like to know a projected value, we can all agree that eventually Underground Sea or Volcanic Island will reach $1000 but if that "eventually" means 15 years from now its not a good investment. Its a sideboard card that only white decks can play, so i dont see it naturally growing that much in a short term.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/805-w-underground-sea-h-revised-lands
This is simply untrue. There's no evidence as to ANY listing popping up on ebay for $300 to $350, let alone "all over", therefore no validity to your claim the buyout didn't work. Two hours after your post and as of this moment, there are 12 copies for sale on eBay. 10 have BIN's, the cheapest being $550, and the two auction style listings are both over $460 currently, have MULTIPLE bids with at least 2 days to go, and have been at least $440 since yesterday (IE, you didn't see them at $300-$350 and they got bid up within the last 2 hours). Also, only 1 English Moat auction has closed in the last two days, so you didn't see any for $300-$350 that have since ended.
In the last 24 hours ChannelFireball, ABUGames, TrollandToad and CCGhouse have either sold out or jacked up their prices. Definitely seeing a market reaction on this one. ABU is up to $600.
/edit SCG is out of stock at $499 as well. This buyout has certainly caused a paniced reaction.
Going from about $300 to $1000 in 15 years, assuming it's in real returns, not nominal, is a quite decent return (7.6% per year).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/lego-a-better-investment-than-shares-and-gold/
As for where moat lands in terms of price, unsure. It's a rare from legends/the sky is the limit. I'd say <$1000, but it could land anywhere below that price although I doubt it's under $600 when the dust settles.
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1) Lands is not always a deck to beat in Legacy with regards to power level in the same way Miracles/Delver is.
2) Lands is harder to play than Miracles/Delver
3) Wizards could easily print a better creature-taxing land in a supplemental set like Commander 2016. If this happens, the card craters hard. They can't do that with stuff like power or duals.
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LEGO sets, even the expensive sets, don't seem like a good investment. Like the article said, stacking the boxes horizontally can crush them, lowering the value. I wanted to get a Batman Tumbler while it was still in stock at lego.com, but it's been retired for a while. I can still buy it for $300 shipped on eBay, and I can't tell if it's the same price as it was on lego.com or lower. Several of the sets I've seen on eBay have a crease in the box which lowered the value, and it's pretty easy to crease a box.
While they could make a tabernacle with the Magus of the Tabernacle template (make it say sacrifice and not destroy) and have it tap for colorless mana, they probably wouldn't do it because they could get backlash from the collector community just like when they printed Reverberate. Yes the cards are technically different, but they probably feel that it violates the spirit of the reserved list. It's why they haven't made dual lands with basic land types that also tap for colorless or even snow duals.