Now, can someone tell me what the hell is going on with Fortune Thief? I don't think I've seen a single person able to explain why it got bought out!
Well, I figured Ali from Cairo must have spiked. So I looked it up and sure enough, Ali basically doubled in price, which would make Fortune Thief a budget version.
Thing is, I have a hard time thinking of a reason why Thief is not just better than Ali from Cairo. Costs only 1 more colorless mana (if you Morph and flip) and the Morph seems super-amazing relevant here.
Hey guys, is this where I'd ask about a new card? I'm very interested in getting into commander with Leovold, Emissary of Trest as my commander. I'm going to want a foil one, and I'm curious if anyone has any ideas for what he realistically might cost, based on past cards that are printed in similar print runs. $30? $50? $100? More?
Just curious if there is any precedent for what I could expect to pay for him.
Hey guys, is this where I'd ask about a new card? I'm very interested in getting into commander with Leovold, Emissary of Trest as my commander. I'm going to want a foil one, and I'm curious if anyone has any ideas for what he realistically might cost, based on past cards that are printed in similar print runs. $30? $50? $100? More?
Just curious if there is any precedent for what I could expect to pay for him.
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So, Marchesa from the first Conspiracy set ran about $80 for a long time. Mythic, build-around-me obvious general plant. She's currently cooled to $60. I think that out of the gates, Leovold may do something similar. I really doubt that he'll hit triple digits.
This set also looks REALLY stuffed, reprint-wise, so there may be more people cracking boosters just for singles. That lowers the prices of everything.
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So, Marchesa from the first Conspiracy set ran about $80 for a long time. Mythic, build-around-me obvious general plant. She's currently cooled to $60. I think that out of the gates, Leovold may do something similar. I really doubt that he'll hit triple digits.
This set also looks REALLY stuffed, reprint-wise, so there may be more people cracking boosters just for singles. That lowers the prices of everything.
Marchesa also spent at least a month or two around $30 before climbing up. I was keeping an eye on her in the hopes that she would fall as more product got opened, which never happened. I suspect people are going to remember the foil prices from the first Conspiracy and that won't happen this time, but I can still hold out some hope given the reprints and legacy plants.
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A couple days ago. I started looking when dwarves were confirmed and they went fast. Nonfoil copies are drying up too, but a lot more gradually. Not nearly as many 4x available on TCG and they're all a little more expensive.
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Hello I'm planning to buy burgeoning and exploration for my Prime Speaker Zegana edh. Also for general collection. Also is Cabal Coffers and Boseiju, who shelters all a good investment at around 20? Would now be the best time?
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Which version is the best investment? I assume something foily, and I am leaning towards the invention.
Right now seems like the right time to buy with two recent foil printings
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Which version is the best investment? I assume something foily, and I am leaning towards the invention.
Right now seems like the right time to buy with two recent foil printings
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Judge Foil will likely have the highest value long-term as it has the likely the lowest supply of the three foil printings. Of course, that does mean a higher price-tag.
Foreign EMA Foil would actually probably be the best bet if you're looking for highest long-term value, but you're also looking at close to twice the price-tag of the next highest.
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What's up with foil Mikaeus, the Unhallowed? The buy lists on it is $25, but you can't seem to find it to buy below $50, if you can find it at all. Was this a recent buyout? I'm trying to sell, but I find it awkward to sell at $25 right now.
What's up with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed? The buy lists on it is $25, but you can't seem to find it to buy below $50, if you can find it at all. Was this a recent buyout? I'm trying to sell, but I find it awkward to sell at $25 right now.
Big push and equally big pull. It's both casual appealing card and an instant win in more competitive decks. That is probably why it has a high price tag. I suspect the reason why the buylist price is low is because this is also a card that is easily reprintable and that absolutely tanks its price because it only ever is used as a one of. Supplementals like conspiracy or masters seems to be a good place to find a reprint of this caliber and those are appearing more frequently.
I forgot to mention that I'm talking about foil copies. Sorry about that. I'm going to edit my post
Another point where the TCG market price feature is nice. It's still showing up at $35 there, so there haven't been many people buying at $50. I haven't been watching to say if it was a buyout or organic demand, but market price is showing flat for the last 2 weeks. My guess is a shortage of copies and a few brave souls asking for 40% more than it was at before. I would expect it to drop back down based on that and the fact that the buylist prices aren't following the sell prices up.
There are also BIN copies on eBay in the low $30s. It's not actually a $50 card, at least not yet.
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I forgot to mention that I'm talking about foil copies. Sorry about that. I'm going to edit my post
I don't think i'd change much of what I said even taking into account of foil pricing. Being a foil does push it fairly high but any non-precon products barring a weird duel deck where the face card is mikaeus can reprint a foil variant of mikaeus (provided that it is included in the set of course), and that is reflected in the low buylist price because wizards has made it fairly clear that these sets are coming out more frequently to combat rising card prices of eternal formats.
Given the paper copies of Bad Mike are sitting close to $20 a copy, $35 for a foil is really undervalued.
That said, he's got to be a prime candidate for reprinting soon. I don't think he'll make it into the Commander 2016 decks, given they're four-colour, and he's a triple-black CC (so he'd be a pretty hard cast in there), but some of the other supplementary products? Absolutely.
I want the one that was $10K. Must have been ultra rare.
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Hahaha..yeah, exactly why I thought it might be a reporting error.
I've been singing this card's praises for some time now. Invested in 3-4 playsets the very first day they showed up on Ebay, before the market could get its act together, price-wise. I was expecting a slow increase over several years--nothing like this.
"Green O Ring" is just a special card to begin with.
Odds of a standard-set reprint are also vanishingly small as MaRo really really didn't like it seeing print in the first place.
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“[It makes me s]ad. One of the downsides of making so many products is my attention can’t be everywhere.” - October 31, 2014
“It’s like Chaos Warp. It’s not something we’re supposed to be doing, especially in Standard.” - October 31, 2014
“It means that Commander drifts farther and farther away from being Magic. The point of a game is to have restrictions and to have to find creative ways to work around it. The color pie is restrictive on purpose. It’s supposed to make it hard for colors to do certain things. Every time we stretch the color pie, we lessen what it does for the game and what it does is essential to its longterm health.” - October 31, 2014
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“Turning something into a land should be partly green just not monogreen.” - October 31, 2014
“[The effect should be p]robably green/white.” - October 31, 2014
Why does anyone use solely TCG listed median price to determine card value anymore? We have multiple sources giving us some idea of what cards are actually selling for. Using what people want them to be selling for as a guide isn't helping anyone except for those sellers. Song of the Dryads is not an $18 card. Listings are back down to $12 a day after the spike and market price is still $5 and change. Pricing information using only listed median is contributing to the negative effects of buyouts.
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I think its partially from people and shops having used that as a trading/pricing metric in the past. Personally I've never bothered using any such methods to determine value. I actually manually check the for the lowest price plus reasonable shipping for NM copies on tcgplayer, and then look at the low end of ebay buy it nows for NM copies as well as looking at ebay completed listings in the case of right after a spike to determine what people have actually paid for the cards.
Regardless post-spike pricing can often be more complicated no matter how you try to determine the value of the card. Sure, completed listings might show that the card last sold for $5, but then at the same time, the lowest buyable price might be $10 now. So how do you value it? In the cases where no additional information is available one has to be careful and often somewhere in between the two will be a fair price to consider temporarily until more information from sold/completed listings is available to see what people are now actually willing to pay for the cards post-spike.
SaffronOlive is entirely to blame for the Song of the Dryads price spike and has been for a few other spikes. In fact, you can devise a very simple flowchart for it:
1. Does SaffronOlive have a new article out?
2. If yes, buy out all cards of the deck that were in the article.
3. If no, wait until #2 happens.
The hilarious part is that this is the wrong card to speculate on. Song of the Dryads is getting reprinted next year in the Commander Anthology set. People are trying WAY TOO HARD at convincing themselves that the secondary market is a viable replacement for buying stocks listed on the Dow Jones Index.
Regardless post-spike pricing can often be more complicated no matter how you try to determine the value of the card. Sure, completed listings might show that the card last sold for $5, but then at the same time, the lowest buyable price might be $10 now. So how do you value it? In the cases where no additional information is available one has to be careful and often somewhere in between the two will be a fair price to consider temporarily until more information from sold/completed listings is available to see what people are now actually willing to pay for the cards post-spike.
That's why I'm mentioning both the low end of the listings and the market price. The unfortunate reality is that these spikes shift the card's price up by some amount. It's not a reasonable expectation for them to drop down to where they were previously selling, but it's also not realistic to think that they're going to stay at the inflated list price. Using only the inflated list price is ignoring a substantial part of the available information and that's what we see time and time again in places like these threads, MTGStocks, etc. Repeating the inflated list prices without regard for the other information potentially contributes to the cards settling at a higher price point post-spike, if only because there are people out there who aren't going to look any deeper than what they see on whatever forum/blog/reddit/MTGStocks post they stumble across first. TCGPlayer is taking some kind of action to help mitigate the effects of artificial inflation and I don't see a whole lot of people taking advantage of it.
SaffronOlive is entirely to blame for the Song of the Dryads price spike and has been for a few other spikes. In fact, you can devise a very simple flowchart for it:
1. Does SaffronOlive have a new article out?
2. If yes, buy out all cards of the deck that were in the article.
3. If no, wait until #2 happens.
The hilarious part is that this is the wrong card to speculate on. Song of the Dryads is getting reprinted next year in the Commander Anthology set. People are trying WAY TOO HARD at convincing themselves that the secondary market is a viable replacement for buying stocks listed on the Dow Jones Index.
I don't disagree, but has he even written about SotD? I'm not seeing anything with a brief search. The only thing I can find about SotD in recent days is a pair of them in a legacy list with 5-0 MTGO finish. I doubt there are enough paper lands players to cause that much of a spike that fast. Between that and the prices immediately following the spike, this looks like textbook market manipulation, not anything based on actual demand.
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Agreed on all those points (especially the Saffron Olive Effect, after watching Metallurgic Summonings and Panharmonicon go berserk on his recommendations in the week leading up to the PT).
But, to be fair, Song of the Dryads definitely had room for a price jump. It was only really a matter of time. But I'm going to laugh my head off if it turns up in the C16 decks in a week or so (which is a distinct possibility)!
Well, I figured Ali from Cairo must have spiked. So I looked it up and sure enough, Ali basically doubled in price, which would make Fortune Thief a budget version.
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So, Marchesa from the first Conspiracy set ran about $80 for a long time. Mythic, build-around-me obvious general plant. She's currently cooled to $60. I think that out of the gates, Leovold may do something similar. I really doubt that he'll hit triple digits.
This set also looks REALLY stuffed, reprint-wise, so there may be more people cracking boosters just for singles. That lowers the prices of everything.
Which version is the best investment? I assume something foily, and I am leaning towards the invention.
Right now seems like the right time to buy with two recent foil printings
Thanks
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Judge Foil will likely have the highest value long-term as it has the likely the lowest supply of the three foil printings. Of course, that does mean a higher price-tag.
Foreign EMA Foil would actually probably be the best bet if you're looking for highest long-term value, but you're also looking at close to twice the price-tag of the next highest.
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Big push and equally big pull. It's both casual appealing card and an instant win in more competitive decks. That is probably why it has a high price tag. I suspect the reason why the buylist price is low is because this is also a card that is easily reprintable and that absolutely tanks its price because it only ever is used as a one of. Supplementals like conspiracy or masters seems to be a good place to find a reprint of this caliber and those are appearing more frequently.
There are also BIN copies on eBay in the low $30s. It's not actually a $50 card, at least not yet.
I don't think i'd change much of what I said even taking into account of foil pricing. Being a foil does push it fairly high but any non-precon products barring a weird duel deck where the face card is mikaeus can reprint a foil variant of mikaeus (provided that it is included in the set of course), and that is reflected in the low buylist price because wizards has made it fairly clear that these sets are coming out more frequently to combat rising card prices of eternal formats.
That said, he's got to be a prime candidate for reprinting soon. I don't think he'll make it into the Commander 2016 decks, given they're four-colour, and he's a triple-black CC (so he'd be a pretty hard cast in there), but some of the other supplementary products? Absolutely.
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I figured it was a blip but there's not a single copy left on Ebay. Wow. So...buyout?
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I've been singing this card's praises for some time now. Invested in 3-4 playsets the very first day they showed up on Ebay, before the market could get its act together, price-wise. I was expecting a slow increase over several years--nothing like this.
"Green O Ring" is just a special card to begin with.
Odds of a standard-set reprint are also vanishingly small as MaRo really really didn't like it seeing print in the first place.
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What are your thoughts on Song of the Dryads? Is that an effect that green should have? (5 answers)
“[T]he card scares me.” - October 31, 2014
“[It makes me s]ad. One of the downsides of making so many products is my attention can’t be everywhere.” - October 31, 2014
“It’s like Chaos Warp. It’s not something we’re supposed to be doing, especially in Standard.” - October 31, 2014
“It means that Commander drifts farther and farther away from being Magic. The point of a game is to have restrictions and to have to find creative ways to work around it. The color pie is restrictive on purpose. It’s supposed to make it hard for colors to do certain things. Every time we stretch the color pie, we lessen what it does for the game and what it does is essential to its longterm health.” - October 31, 2014
"A creatureless green deck is not supposed to efficiently be able to deal with any creature.” - October 31, 2014
“Turning something into a land should be partly green just not monogreen.” - October 31, 2014
“[The effect should be p]robably green/white.” - October 31, 2014
“Not a fan.” - November 6, 2014
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Also, what's up with this:
That's a lot of text in those brackets
Regardless post-spike pricing can often be more complicated no matter how you try to determine the value of the card. Sure, completed listings might show that the card last sold for $5, but then at the same time, the lowest buyable price might be $10 now. So how do you value it? In the cases where no additional information is available one has to be careful and often somewhere in between the two will be a fair price to consider temporarily until more information from sold/completed listings is available to see what people are now actually willing to pay for the cards post-spike.
1. Does SaffronOlive have a new article out?
2. If yes, buy out all cards of the deck that were in the article.
3. If no, wait until #2 happens.
The hilarious part is that this is the wrong card to speculate on. Song of the Dryads is getting reprinted next year in the Commander Anthology set. People are trying WAY TOO HARD at convincing themselves that the secondary market is a viable replacement for buying stocks listed on the Dow Jones Index.
I don't disagree, but has he even written about SotD? I'm not seeing anything with a brief search. The only thing I can find about SotD in recent days is a pair of them in a legacy list with 5-0 MTGO finish. I doubt there are enough paper lands players to cause that much of a spike that fast. Between that and the prices immediately following the spike, this looks like textbook market manipulation, not anything based on actual demand.
But, to be fair, Song of the Dryads definitely had room for a price jump. It was only really a matter of time. But I'm going to laugh my head off if it turns up in the C16 decks in a week or so (which is a distinct possibility)!
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