Out of curiosity I decided to go check out the value of the 2015 commander decks (singles value of .75 or more each).
This is the breakdown of value from a singles standpoint (using the low end of NM prices on tcgplayer and ebay).
Deck Name// Singles Value// Sealed deck price on ebay (lowest buy it now shipped)
Swell the Host: $36 $30
Plunder the Graves: $32 $40
Wade into Battle: $30 $25
Call the Spirits: $29 $28
Seize Control: $24 $25
Anyhow, thought some people might be interested :).
Speaking of commander precons: what the hell is happening to Magmatic Force? How is this suddenly a $10 card? Can we use this as an indicator for the other decent pre-con exclusives?
Speaking of commander precons: what the hell is happening to Magmatic Force? How is this suddenly a $10 card? Can we use this as an indicator for the other decent pre-con exclusives?
There was a buyout awhile ago. It was a really cheap card only ever printed once, so it was an easy target for a buyout. I wouldn't use it as a strong indicator, but things like this can and will continue to happen.
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WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
Anyone know what happened with Crucible of Worlds? I've always known it to be around $20-25 basically forever, but in the past few months its been climbing pretty quickly. Did it start seeing tournament play in Vintage/Legacy/Modern, or is this mostly casual-driven growth?
Anyone know what happened with Crucible of Worlds? I've always known it to be around $20-25 basically forever, but in the past few months its been climbing pretty quickly. Did it start seeing tournament play in Vintage/Legacy/Modern, or is this mostly casual-driven growth?
It's been over $30 for a long while. I am not sure what decks run it other than EDH, but it's definitely been popular a long time. I think it's just gotten caught up in this bubble of anything good is going up hype.
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It sees occasional sideboard play in modern and legacy, but it's otherwise all casual demand. Strong effect and it hasn't been reprinted in just under a decade (outside of the judge promo). It's been climbing pretty steadily for at least a year now.
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Is Hell's Caretaker seeing movement? MTGprice shows some sites bumping to $30 for non-foil. Not sure if other sites are lagging or if its just nothing. If it is, what is driving it?
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EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
I think someone has been trying to do that with Mana Vault, although that card is actually good.
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These days, some wizards are finding they have a little too much deck left at the end of their $$$.
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It's a unique effect from an older set that hasn't been reprinted in awhile. Also a combo engine piece.
I actually remember thinking he was a possible way to abuse a recently spoiled card -- must have been from Oath -- and I picked up a cheap Chronicles playset. I wish I could remember what the janky combo was... something to do with Eldrazi creating tokens when the ETB or something? Man, I don't remember.
Foil Hall of the Bandit Lord either got bought out or otherwise had a lot of sudden demand, but the price still hasn't settled and there aren't a lot of them out there.
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Why did Hall of Gemstone just pop? I know it had small jumps as of late, but now it's at $28.00 (as of 12:45am Pacific). Is it being used as a color hoser for 2+ color decks?
Why did Hall of Gemstone just pop? I know it had small jumps as of late, but now it's at $28.00 (as of 12:45am Pacific). Is it being used as a color hoser for 2+ color decks?
Well, it's on the Reserved List...
... maybe this is just someone being an opportunist, given the recent run on Reserved List cards?
Why did Hall of Gemstone just pop? I know it had small jumps as of late, but now it's at $28.00 (as of 12:45am Pacific). Is it being used as a color hoser for 2+ color decks?
Every card on the Reserve list is getting hit lately. The fact that this card was A) playable, and B) under $1.00 made it a perfect target. But as always, the reactionary pricing system of TCGPlayer makes a small supply shock look like a lightning bolt to the face.
The playability part is, yes, because in theory it hoses 2+ color decks. In practice it's a minor annoyance and rarely does what you want it to (a.k.a why it was $1.00).
With that said, any other Reserved List cards likely to spike like that?
I would say that there are still some cards that feel underpriced for how much casual play they see. But if you take investment advice from me you are a fool. Opalescence Donate Second Chance (This is the one I could see heading up once people get stars in their eyes about cheap free turns that can be chained with Sun Titan) Lifeline Recurring Nightmare (If unbanned in CMD this thing will sky rocket and there's talk that it could be) Corpse Dance ($2.50? What??) Infernal Tribute (One of the only "sac a permanent" cards in the game) City of Solitude (Similar to Hall of Gemstone) Bubble Matrix Tombstone Stairwell (With so much self-mill I am shocked this isn't played more. I think people maybe don't see that it's each turn and not your turn )
Etc (I ran out of time)
Why did Hall of Gemstone just pop? I know it had small jumps as of late, but now it's at $28.00 (as of 12:45am Pacific). Is it being used as a color hoser for 2+ color decks?
Every card on the Reserve list is getting hit lately. The fact that this card was A) playable, and B) under $1.00 made it a perfect target. But as always, the reactionary pricing system of TCGPlayer makes a small supply shock look like a lightning bolt to the face.
The playability part is, yes, because in theory it hoses 2+ color decks. In practice it's a minor annoyance and rarely does what you want it to (a.k.a why it was $1.00).
It also hoses Eldrazi by cutting them off from colorless.
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WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
It also hoses Eldrazi by cutting them off from colorless.
It might work for that, but most of the Eldrazi decks I've seen rely as much on colorless rocks to ramp as they do lands. So, while that may have some bearing on it, it's not going to have significant in-game impact probably. But, isn't that how most of these cards go? People focus on the scenarios where the card will dominate a game. Caverns of Despair is one I talk about more than I should, but it's a great example of a card that sounds like it'll do something (keep opponents from hitting you hard with swarms) but doesn't (it insures you get hit hard by 2 creatures and die). All the cards that are stand alone good have surged though, so it probably makes sense to look like you are - cards that hose prevalent emerging strategies or cards that have combo potential (I suck at that).
I just looked and it looks like City of Solitude is already going up.
I have a bad feeling Eternal Masters is going to cause chaos with the MTG market.
With that said, any other Reserved List cards likely to spike like that?
I would say that there are still some cards that feel underpriced for how much casual play they see. But if you take investment advice from me you are a fool. Opalescence Donate Second Chance (This is the one I could see heading up once people get stars in their eyes about cheap free turns that can be chained with Sun Titan) Lifeline Recurring Nightmare (If unbanned in CMD this thing will sky rocket and there's talk that it could be) Corpse Dance ($2.50? What??) Infernal Tribute (One of the only "sac a permanent" cards in the game) City of Solitude (Similar to Hall of Gemstone) Bubble Matrix Tombstone Stairwell (With so much self-mill I am shocked this isn't played more. I think people maybe don't see that it's each turn and not your turn )
Etc (I ran out of time)
I can't believe intuition has gone this long without blowing up. They see MUCH more play than the other cards that have spiked like this.
I can't believe intuition has gone this long without blowing up. They see MUCH more play than the other cards that have spiked like this.
There are some cards I can't figure out like that. Forcefield is the perfect card to be worth a lot - and $100 is. But in the 6-7 years I've owned the card it's gone from ~$100 to ~$120. I would have tracked it alongside other sought after old cards for Cube and EDH. Gate to Pyrexia is another one. It's actually gone down since I picked up my copy 6-7 years ago. For ****'s sake, it's about the only way black can remove enchantments completely violating contemporary color pie. It's not amazing, but for B and UB EDH decks I would expect ~some~ demand.
In the land of Blood Moon Modern and the realization that color screwing your opponents is powerful, you'd think Cyclopean Tomb would be worth more than $20. Moreover you might be surprised to know that it's lost 33% of its value in the last few years. What?
A card I know first hand is utter trash, despite feeling like it should be amazing is Willow Satyr. It was $15 then $25, and then it's back down to $12ish. Based on playability, that makes a lot of sense. People bought into it, realized it's junk, and jumped ship. But it's still a card with enough demand in EDH that I would expect it to command Land Equilibrium/In the Eye of Chaos prices. If the madness we see with old barely playable Legends rares holds true, it should go up.
Finally, I'd like to point out that Quarum Trench Gnomes is more valuable than a lot of played cards on the reserve list because [shake shake shake] reasons.
Gate to Phyrexia destroys artifacts, not enchantments, but yeah, it's one of only two cards that does that. I think the other one is Phyrexian Tribute. It's a very strange part of the color pie that has been absolutely firm as other issues bleed around.
Cyclopean Tomb is poop. It's old poop, sure, but that crust doesn't make it more expensive. I mean, until someone does a buyout and pushes the price up a little bit for the five people out there who really want to collect the poop.
Forcefield is a bit of a mystery, I admit. I think the problem is that, as cool as it is, it's not actually the best card for what it does. At 3 mana, Ensnaring Bridge probably is just flat-out better than this, and that's not even talking about cheaper cards. I use mine for EDH exclusively. However, people do like it there. I think the problem is that no one knows it exists, and a $100 card is a bad, bad target for a buyout because you need to bet actual money to make it rise.
Gate to Phyrexia destroys artifacts, not enchantments, but yeah, it's one of only two cards that does that. I think the other one is Phyrexian Tribute. It's a very strange part of the color pie that has been absolutely firm as other issues bleed around.
Cyclopean Tomb is poop. It's old poop, sure, but that crust doesn't make it more expensive. I mean, until someone does a buyout and pushes the price up a little bit for the five people out there who really want to collect the poop.
Forcefield is a bit of a mystery, I admit. I think the problem is that, as cool as it is, it's not actually the best card for what it does. At 3 mana, Ensnaring Bridge probably is just flat-out better than this, and that's not even talking about cheaper cards. I use mine for EDH exclusively. However, people do like it there. I think the problem is that no one knows it exists, and a $100 card is a bad, bad target for a buyout because you need to bet actual money to make it rise.
I agree on all accounts. But these cards do something that sounds appealing despite not paying off - like a ton of cards that have already popped.
This is the breakdown of value from a singles standpoint (using the low end of NM prices on tcgplayer and ebay).
Deck Name// Singles Value// Sealed deck price on ebay (lowest buy it now shipped)
Swell the Host: $36 $30
Plunder the Graves: $32 $40
Wade into Battle: $30 $25
Call the Spirits: $29 $28
Seize Control: $24 $25
Anyhow, thought some people might be interested :).
There was a buyout awhile ago. It was a really cheap card only ever printed once, so it was an easy target for a buyout. I wouldn't use it as a strong indicator, but things like this can and will continue to happen.
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It's been over $30 for a long while. I am not sure what decks run it other than EDH, but it's definitely been popular a long time. I think it's just gotten caught up in this bubble of anything good is going up hype.
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Foils are $30 though. That might be what you're seeing.
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I actually remember thinking he was a possible way to abuse a recently spoiled card -- must have been from Oath -- and I picked up a cheap Chronicles playset. I wish I could remember what the janky combo was... something to do with Eldrazi creating tokens when the ETB or something? Man, I don't remember.
Well, it's on the Reserved List...
... maybe this is just someone being an opportunist, given the recent run on Reserved List cards?
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The playability part is, yes, because in theory it hoses 2+ color decks. In practice it's a minor annoyance and rarely does what you want it to (a.k.a why it was $1.00).
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Opalescence
Donate
Second Chance (This is the one I could see heading up once people get stars in their eyes about cheap free turns that can be chained with Sun Titan)
Lifeline
Recurring Nightmare (If unbanned in CMD this thing will sky rocket and there's talk that it could be)
Corpse Dance ($2.50? What??)
Infernal Tribute (One of the only "sac a permanent" cards in the game)
City of Solitude (Similar to Hall of Gemstone)
Bubble Matrix
Tombstone Stairwell (With so much self-mill I am shocked this isn't played more. I think people maybe don't see that it's each turn and not your turn )
Etc (I ran out of time)
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It also hoses Eldrazi by cutting them off from colorless.
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UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU
URGYasova the ThreateningGRU
BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
I just looked and it looks like City of Solitude is already going up.
I have a bad feeling Eternal Masters is going to cause chaos with the MTG market.
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I can't believe intuition has gone this long without blowing up. They see MUCH more play than the other cards that have spiked like this.
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There are some cards I can't figure out like that. Forcefield is the perfect card to be worth a lot - and $100 is. But in the 6-7 years I've owned the card it's gone from ~$100 to ~$120. I would have tracked it alongside other sought after old cards for Cube and EDH.
Gate to Pyrexia is another one. It's actually gone down since I picked up my copy 6-7 years ago. For ****'s sake, it's about the only way black can remove enchantments completely violating contemporary color pie. It's not amazing, but for B and UB EDH decks I would expect ~some~ demand.
In the land of Blood Moon Modern and the realization that color screwing your opponents is powerful, you'd think Cyclopean Tomb would be worth more than $20. Moreover you might be surprised to know that it's lost 33% of its value in the last few years. What?
A card I know first hand is utter trash, despite feeling like it should be amazing is Willow Satyr. It was $15 then $25, and then it's back down to $12ish. Based on playability, that makes a lot of sense. People bought into it, realized it's junk, and jumped ship. But it's still a card with enough demand in EDH that I would expect it to command Land Equilibrium/In the Eye of Chaos prices. If the madness we see with old barely playable Legends rares holds true, it should go up.
Finally, I'd like to point out that Quarum Trench Gnomes is more valuable than a lot of played cards on the reserve list because [shake shake shake] reasons.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Cyclopean Tomb is poop. It's old poop, sure, but that crust doesn't make it more expensive. I mean, until someone does a buyout and pushes the price up a little bit for the five people out there who really want to collect the poop.
Forcefield is a bit of a mystery, I admit. I think the problem is that, as cool as it is, it's not actually the best card for what it does. At 3 mana, Ensnaring Bridge probably is just flat-out better than this, and that's not even talking about cheaper cards. I use mine for EDH exclusively. However, people do like it there. I think the problem is that no one knows it exists, and a $100 card is a bad, bad target for a buyout because you need to bet actual money to make it rise.
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