Not sure if anyone else has had this happen to them.
I sent some trades to Priority Games: https://pucatrade.com/profiles/show/69848, and had not one but two cases opened against me:
This Stifle has some nicks on the edges. I'll accept it for a 150 point discount.
This Wooded Bastion has some scratches and cracks. I'll accept if for a 240 point discount.
I looked at the cards and nothing jumped out to me as obviously problematic; I even tried to pull the best condition cards I had of these and they were all in good shape. Now this guy is asking for ~20% off.
I wanted to ask others if they've dealt with this kind of behavior before. My inclination is to reject and have him mail them back and block him as a trader, because this seems like extortion to me.
I've received a few low value beat up cards cards before, but never had a receiver complain. I would just say that you sent them in NM and if he submits a scan that you think is not the copy you sent then say that's not your card and let an admin sort it out. The site keeps a record of cases and if this guy opens a case like this on every high value trade he may be on the verge of getting banned.
I just sent them an italian invoke prejudice.
didnt have any problems, although i sent them a scan before shipping it out.
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You can alert admins who will ask for scans, and they can make the judgement call. If they deem them less than NM, you each will be given the opportunity to accept a lower point value, which both sides would have to agree to, or else the cards will be shipped back at your expense. If this receiver is a PITA, it might be worth it to just eat the postage each way to be done with it. But, I'd open a case, just in case this is something the receiver has habitually done, as Puca keeps track of such things.
You can alert admins who will ask for scans, and they can make the judgement call. If they deem them less than NM, you each will be given the opportunity to accept a lower point value, which both sides would have to agree to, or else the cards will be shipped back at your expense. If this receiver is a PITA, it might be worth it to just eat the postage each way to be done with it. But, I'd open a case, just in case this is something the receiver has habitually done, as Puca keeps track of such things.
Thanks for explaining the process more clearly; I think I'll do that.
Update: I wanted to sleep on this a little and the guy pulled in an admin on both cases already.
My advice: don't do business with Priority Games on Pucatrade unless you want problems.
It should be noted that shops often times tend to be VERY picky when it comes to condition (IE: NM to them means MINT, so any flaws at all they will often mark down trade-in or sales offers for). Since the pucatrade name you mentioned seems to align with that of a potential shop, I wouldn't be surprised if that might be the case. Either way, only thing you can do is wait to see what pictures they come up with and make sure they are indeed the cards you sent. If they are, then it will be up to the admins to decide whether they are indeed flawed in some way to warrant a potential discount in pucapoints accordingly for you two to agree on or simply have the cards sent back to you.
Begs the question: why are shops so picky? I've heard from shop owners & managers in the past, such as Orange County's (California) Shuffle & Cut. They do everything but take a magnifying glass to the card. What passes for NM w/ our community & Puca Trades community is LP/SP.
If your paying for Nm you should get Nm. To many people send less than NM and then complain after people who simply follow the condition guide keep them to account. The store can only list these for sale at their correct grading.
Begs the question: why are shops so picky? I've heard from shop owners & managers in the past, such as Orange County's (California) Shuffle & Cut. They do everything but take a magnifying glass to the card. What passes for NM w/ our community & Puca Trades community is LP/SP.
Because a large portion of the customer base for these shops are in fact quite picky, its something you deal with when you actually own/run a shop or deal with a lot of online sales. While a lot of people may be more casual collectors and players of the game and condition to them isn't as picky, there are a lot of collectors and otherwise out there to which condition most certainly is. Thusly shops have to be careful when advertising conditions that they are in fact selling cards that are in that condition or better. I ran into that issue quite often where some other shops would sell cards that while at a casual glance may look fine, but look at them in any sort of decent light or close up, and you would see all sorts of flaws. I had to reject a lot of cards that came in that way unfortunately, because I knew that I could not sell those cards as NM either at the shop or online, and thusly could not afford to pay NM prices or give full NM trade value for those cards, because to my standards of NM, those cards simply were not NM, they were EX/NM at best. (It should be noted that quite often these days, sealed product from wizards will contain a lot of cards that will fall outside of the normal NM condition area, and into the EX/NM condition area, and that can be rough for people assuming that pack fresh should automatically mean Mint or at least NM/M. That's part of why its so important to look very carefully at the cards you are selling/sending, because such pickiness with condition is far more common than I think a lot of people think. And if you think the condition may be on the border between EX and NM or any condition and another condition, then one should always err on the side of caution and choose the lower condition rating for the card. The good sellers online and in shops do this, the others, oftentimes will not, and it will often inevitably cost them in the long run.
Begs the question: why are shops so picky? I've heard from shop owners & managers in the past, such as Orange County's (California) Shuffle & Cut. They do everything but take a magnifying glass to the card. What passes for NM w/ our community & Puca Trades community is LP/SP.
Because a large portion of the customer base for these shops are in fact quite picky, its something you deal with when you actually own/run a shop or deal with a lot of online sales. While a lot of people may be more casual collectors and players of the game and condition to them isn't as picky, there are a lot of collectors and otherwise out there to which condition most certainly is. Thusly shops have to be careful when advertising conditions that they are in fact selling cards that are in that condition or better. I ran into that issue quite often where some other shops would sell cards that while at a casual glance may look fine, but look at them in any sort of decent light or close up, and you would see all sorts of flaws. I had to reject a lot of cards that came in that way unfortunately, because I knew that I could not sell those cards as NM either at the shop or online, and thusly could not afford to pay NM prices or give full NM trade value for those cards, because to my standards of NM, those cards simply were not NM, they were EX/NM at best. (It should be noted that quite often these days, sealed product from wizards will contain a lot of cards that will fall outside of the normal NM condition area, and into the EX/NM condition area, and that can be rough for people assuming that pack fresh should automatically mean Mint or at least NM/M. That's part of why its so important to look very carefully at the cards you are selling/sending, because such pickiness with condition is far more common than I think a lot of people think. And if you think the condition may be on the border between EX and NM or any condition and another condition, then one should always err on the side of caution and choose the lower condition rating for the card. The good sellers online and in shops do this, the others, oftentimes will not, and it will often inevitably cost them in the long run.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
This all comes down to whether the shop owner is following Pucatrade's guidelines as to what constitutes NM, or his own. If he's demanding conditions higher than Pucatrade mandates for full point value, that's his own problem and Pucatrade may not be the right channel for him to acquire cards. The fact that his customers might demand a higher standard than pucatrade does is not your problem, and you should be entitled to full point value. I think many people misunderstand the N in NM, and assume that any defect means a card is not NM.
However, if he is just holding more strictly to Pucatrade's minimum standards than most traders do, that is your problem and he should be entitled to a discount or a refund and return.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
Dude.
Shops set their prices inclusive of condition. If they have a "we sell only NM cards!" policy, and they trumpet it and advertise it, then yeah, you might have some wiggle room. But if you just go into a store, find a single that's not quite NM, and try to negotiate down based on condition, you'll likely get laughed at.
Every shop I've been to has cards that are less than NM, and they're all priced accordingly. If you only want NM cards, you have the option to choose not to buy the EX cards.
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Not sure if anyone else has had this happen to them.
I sent some trades to Priority Games: https://pucatrade.com/profiles/show/69848, and had not one but two cases opened against me:
This Stifle has some nicks on the edges. I'll accept it for a 150 point discount.
This Wooded Bastion has some scratches and cracks. I'll accept if for a 240 point discount.
I looked at the cards and nothing jumped out to me as obviously problematic; I even tried to pull the best condition cards I had of these and they were all in good shape. Now this guy is asking for ~20% off.
I wanted to ask others if they've dealt with this kind of behavior before. My inclination is to reject and have him mail them back and block him as a trader, because this seems like extortion to me.
Thoughts?
You are only allowed to trade NM cards on Pucatrade. When is a card with nicks and cracks or scratches a NM card? Any answer but never is incorrect.
I hate to be that guy, but the most likely situation here is that you didn't send NM cards. If the cards do indeed have nicks and scratches like the recipient is claiming, then they aren't NM. I get non-NM cards sent to me almost CONSTANTLY and it's irritating, so I can sympathize. I send out only NM stuff (unless the recipient specifies the will accept lesser stuff) and I expect the same in return.
As others have said, the recipient will be responsible for providing pictures. If the admins do deem that the cards are less than NM, you'll have the option of either a) accepting a lesser point value for them as the recipient is requesting or b) having them shipped back to you at your expense.
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Begs the question: why are shops so picky? I've heard from shop owners & managers in the past, such as Orange County's (California) Shuffle & Cut. They do everything but take a magnifying glass to the card. What passes for NM w/ our community & Puca Trades community is LP/SP.
Because a large portion of the customer base for these shops are in fact quite picky, its something you deal with when you actually own/run a shop or deal with a lot of online sales. While a lot of people may be more casual collectors and players of the game and condition to them isn't as picky, there are a lot of collectors and otherwise out there to which condition most certainly is. Thusly shops have to be careful when advertising conditions that they are in fact selling cards that are in that condition or better. I ran into that issue quite often where some other shops would sell cards that while at a casual glance may look fine, but look at them in any sort of decent light or close up, and you would see all sorts of flaws. I had to reject a lot of cards that came in that way unfortunately, because I knew that I could not sell those cards as NM either at the shop or online, and thusly could not afford to pay NM prices or give full NM trade value for those cards, because to my standards of NM, those cards simply were not NM, they were EX/NM at best. (It should be noted that quite often these days, sealed product from wizards will contain a lot of cards that will fall outside of the normal NM condition area, and into the EX/NM condition area, and that can be rough for people assuming that pack fresh should automatically mean Mint or at least NM/M. That's part of why its so important to look very carefully at the cards you are selling/sending, because such pickiness with condition is far more common than I think a lot of people think. And if you think the condition may be on the border between EX and NM or any condition and another condition, then one should always err on the side of caution and choose the lower condition rating for the card. The good sellers online and in shops do this, the others, oftentimes will not, and it will often inevitably cost them in the long run.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
Well, the shop I used to own/run the magic singles for, I would pull the cards out of the binders or boxes for them as they were requested either from the set guides I had available or from the single display copies I kept in the case. In instances where I had cards that were in lesser condition, and they were looking to purchase ones in lesser condition at a discount, then I would be happy to offer them up for a discount, and should a customer find that the cards I gave them were unacceptable when it came to condition, then I would be happy to pick out others that I had until they were satisfied (there is a certain amount of within reason there of course). The tiniest flaws I wouldn't necessarily worry about and neither would my customers, but at least for me, I tried to do my best to make sure my customers at the shop were satisfied with what they got, just as I do my best to make sure the cards I sell on ebay are of appropriate quality and condition to that which is stated in the listing.
When it comes who has the pricing power, well, its both customer and seller, for the fact that the customer can always look elsewhere for the cards should they be unsatisfied with the price or condition of the cards they are wanting, just as the shop can choose to price their cards at whatever they feel they might be able to eventually get for them, and use whatever reasonable condition metric to determine sell/buy prices accordingly. In order for the shop to stay open though, the prices do have to be at least somewhat reasonable, and the condition scale has to be reasonable enough to assure reasonable in and outflow of product over time.
In the case of this Pucatrade situation though, its entirely possible the OP may have missed a flaw or two (these things do happen, and can certainly be unintentional), or its possible the other trader is simply more strict with their idea of what NM is, in either case the admins should determine that based upon the site guidelines for condition and things will be taken care of from there.
I've had this happen, and contacted the Admins. They said that there was nothing they could do and I just got duped my Puca points over something that wasn't even remotely legitimate, since I had scans of the cards before shipping. This is why I refuse to use Puca.
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Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
Dude.
Shops set their prices inclusive of condition. If they have a "we sell only NM cards!" policy, and they trumpet it and advertise it, then yeah, you might have some wiggle room. But if you just go into a store, find a single that's not quite NM, and try to negotiate down based on condition, you'll likely get laughed at.
Every shop I've been to has cards that are less than NM, and they're all priced accordingly. If you only want NM cards, you have the option to choose not to buy the EX cards.
There are actually a few shops in my area that charge NM Card Kingdom/SCG prices for cards that are less than NM.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
Dude.
Shops set their prices inclusive of condition. If they have a "we sell only NM cards!" policy, and they trumpet it and advertise it, then yeah, you might have some wiggle room. But if you just go into a store, find a single that's not quite NM, and try to negotiate down based on condition, you'll likely get laughed at.
Every shop I've been to has cards that are less than NM, and they're all priced accordingly. If you only want NM cards, you have the option to choose not to buy the EX cards.
There are actually a few shops in my area that charge NM Card Kingdom/SCG prices for cards that are less than NM.
Not only in your area. There are a lot of clowns running stores who think they're SCG but have never even seen a NM card older than Theros.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
Dude.
Shops set their prices inclusive of condition. If they have a "we sell only NM cards!" policy, and they trumpet it and advertise it, then yeah, you might have some wiggle room. But if you just go into a store, find a single that's not quite NM, and try to negotiate down based on condition, you'll likely get laughed at.
Every shop I've been to has cards that are less than NM, and they're all priced accordingly. If you only want NM cards, you have the option to choose not to buy the EX cards.
There are actually a few shops in my area that charge NM Card Kingdom/SCG prices for cards that are less than NM.
Not only in your area. There are a lot of clowns running stores who think they're SCG but have never even seen a NM card older than Theros.
In the same vein, there are a lot of traders on both sides of this particular argument who have not read the condition page on pucatrade.com. there are people who send sp cards without asking, and there are people who think nm means flawless, when it doesn't.
The whole thing will be much easier if they ever get around to setting up the ability to trade and ask for sp cards.
Is Priority Games a real shop? I believe I looked at (his?) shop page a few months ago, he said he specialized in rare hard to find foreign cards.. and it was a just a budget square space cart with only selling some random cards... maybe 10 at the most. Hell, I have a better selection of cards that have fallen under my computer desk.
Not to say he is not entitled to open a case. Let the Puca Mods handle the grading.
I had a similar issue where I sent 4 clearly NM monastery mentors to a guy. He tried to claim they were SP and wanted a 20% refund in total. I told him there was no way they were SP and opened a case with the admins. They asked him to scan all 4 of the mentors, he only scanned one and they replied saying that it was NM, NM- at worst but they did not differentiate between the two and he would not be getting any points back for the trade.
It is easy to exploit online trading sites by claiming your NM cards are SP as long as you actually have SP versions of the cards. The scammer can take pictures of the SP cards and claim they were the cards sent, and the admins will always side with the person receiving the cards.
There is a far more malicious version of this exploit with counterfeits. Here's how it works:
1) The scammer buys a playset of counterfeit cards (let's say Scalding Tarn) on Ebay
2) The scammer looks for a set of real Scalding Tarns on Puca and sets up a trade
3) The victim sends the real cards to the scammer
4) The scammer creates a case, stating that the cards are counterfeit
5) The victim offers to take the cards back to settle, the scammer agrees
6) The scammer sends back the counterfeits and keeps the real cards.
Works every time. The only way they can be detected doing it is if the admins notice they have a history of receiving counterfeits.
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I sent some trades to Priority Games: https://pucatrade.com/profiles/show/69848, and had not one but two cases opened against me:
This Stifle has some nicks on the edges. I'll accept it for a 150 point discount.
This Wooded Bastion has some scratches and cracks. I'll accept if for a 240 point discount.
I looked at the cards and nothing jumped out to me as obviously problematic; I even tried to pull the best condition cards I had of these and they were all in good shape. Now this guy is asking for ~20% off.
I wanted to ask others if they've dealt with this kind of behavior before. My inclination is to reject and have him mail them back and block him as a trader, because this seems like extortion to me.
Thoughts?
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didnt have any problems, although i sent them a scan before shipping it out.
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Yeah, that's a little different since it's a higher $$$ card; this was a few $10-ish dollar cards.
Thanks for explaining the process more clearly; I think I'll do that.
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My advice: don't do business with Priority Games on Pucatrade unless you want problems.
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It should be noted that shops often times tend to be VERY picky when it comes to condition (IE: NM to them means MINT, so any flaws at all they will often mark down trade-in or sales offers for). Since the pucatrade name you mentioned seems to align with that of a potential shop, I wouldn't be surprised if that might be the case. Either way, only thing you can do is wait to see what pictures they come up with and make sure they are indeed the cards you sent. If they are, then it will be up to the admins to decide whether they are indeed flawed in some way to warrant a potential discount in pucapoints accordingly for you two to agree on or simply have the cards sent back to you.
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Because a large portion of the customer base for these shops are in fact quite picky, its something you deal with when you actually own/run a shop or deal with a lot of online sales. While a lot of people may be more casual collectors and players of the game and condition to them isn't as picky, there are a lot of collectors and otherwise out there to which condition most certainly is. Thusly shops have to be careful when advertising conditions that they are in fact selling cards that are in that condition or better. I ran into that issue quite often where some other shops would sell cards that while at a casual glance may look fine, but look at them in any sort of decent light or close up, and you would see all sorts of flaws. I had to reject a lot of cards that came in that way unfortunately, because I knew that I could not sell those cards as NM either at the shop or online, and thusly could not afford to pay NM prices or give full NM trade value for those cards, because to my standards of NM, those cards simply were not NM, they were EX/NM at best. (It should be noted that quite often these days, sealed product from wizards will contain a lot of cards that will fall outside of the normal NM condition area, and into the EX/NM condition area, and that can be rough for people assuming that pack fresh should automatically mean Mint or at least NM/M. That's part of why its so important to look very carefully at the cards you are selling/sending, because such pickiness with condition is far more common than I think a lot of people think. And if you think the condition may be on the border between EX and NM or any condition and another condition, then one should always err on the side of caution and choose the lower condition rating for the card. The good sellers online and in shops do this, the others, oftentimes will not, and it will often inevitably cost them in the long run.
Does this mean the opposite then? Can I go into any ordinary shop (lets use your shop as an example here), scrutinize the singles, find the ones that are a fraction below & demand 10% - 20% off?
I am not trying to flame here, just was curious who ultimately has the power to set prices regarding condition. If it's a 2-way street, then all is fair. But if not, then it is steep in hypocrisy.
However, if he is just holding more strictly to Pucatrade's minimum standards than most traders do, that is your problem and he should be entitled to a discount or a refund and return.
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Dude.
Shops set their prices inclusive of condition. If they have a "we sell only NM cards!" policy, and they trumpet it and advertise it, then yeah, you might have some wiggle room. But if you just go into a store, find a single that's not quite NM, and try to negotiate down based on condition, you'll likely get laughed at.
Every shop I've been to has cards that are less than NM, and they're all priced accordingly. If you only want NM cards, you have the option to choose not to buy the EX cards.
You are only allowed to trade NM cards on Pucatrade. When is a card with nicks and cracks or scratches a NM card? Any answer but never is incorrect.
As others have said, the recipient will be responsible for providing pictures. If the admins do deem that the cards are less than NM, you'll have the option of either a) accepting a lesser point value for them as the recipient is requesting or b) having them shipped back to you at your expense.
https://pucatrade.com/profiles/show/23875
Well, the shop I used to own/run the magic singles for, I would pull the cards out of the binders or boxes for them as they were requested either from the set guides I had available or from the single display copies I kept in the case. In instances where I had cards that were in lesser condition, and they were looking to purchase ones in lesser condition at a discount, then I would be happy to offer them up for a discount, and should a customer find that the cards I gave them were unacceptable when it came to condition, then I would be happy to pick out others that I had until they were satisfied (there is a certain amount of within reason there of course). The tiniest flaws I wouldn't necessarily worry about and neither would my customers, but at least for me, I tried to do my best to make sure my customers at the shop were satisfied with what they got, just as I do my best to make sure the cards I sell on ebay are of appropriate quality and condition to that which is stated in the listing.
When it comes who has the pricing power, well, its both customer and seller, for the fact that the customer can always look elsewhere for the cards should they be unsatisfied with the price or condition of the cards they are wanting, just as the shop can choose to price their cards at whatever they feel they might be able to eventually get for them, and use whatever reasonable condition metric to determine sell/buy prices accordingly. In order for the shop to stay open though, the prices do have to be at least somewhat reasonable, and the condition scale has to be reasonable enough to assure reasonable in and outflow of product over time.
In the case of this Pucatrade situation though, its entirely possible the OP may have missed a flaw or two (these things do happen, and can certainly be unintentional), or its possible the other trader is simply more strict with their idea of what NM is, in either case the admins should determine that based upon the site guidelines for condition and things will be taken care of from there.
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There are actually a few shops in my area that charge NM Card Kingdom/SCG prices for cards that are less than NM.
Not only in your area. There are a lot of clowns running stores who think they're SCG but have never even seen a NM card older than Theros.
In the same vein, there are a lot of traders on both sides of this particular argument who have not read the condition page on pucatrade.com. there are people who send sp cards without asking, and there are people who think nm means flawless, when it doesn't.
The whole thing will be much easier if they ever get around to setting up the ability to trade and ask for sp cards.
Not to say he is not entitled to open a case. Let the Puca Mods handle the grading.
There is a far more malicious version of this exploit with counterfeits. Here's how it works:
1) The scammer buys a playset of counterfeit cards (let's say Scalding Tarn) on Ebay
2) The scammer looks for a set of real Scalding Tarns on Puca and sets up a trade
3) The victim sends the real cards to the scammer
4) The scammer creates a case, stating that the cards are counterfeit
5) The victim offers to take the cards back to settle, the scammer agrees
6) The scammer sends back the counterfeits and keeps the real cards.
Works every time. The only way they can be detected doing it is if the admins notice they have a history of receiving counterfeits.
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