I don't understand why thats a point of contention, why does it matter if there are more things holding the value of the cards up than limited supply. It's irrelevant to the post I made of how the reprinting of these cards devalues them very heavily. The issue is that for the people who play these cards the value of their cards tank for no reason other than "oh ***** we need to fill 50 more rare slots guys". The name of the box is "Modern Masters", I expect cards that are popular in modern to be reprinted here in order to lower the barrier of entry into this format. Cards like the valkyrie (that only see casual and EDH play) have no business being in sets like this.
Modern masters is for cards that are modern legal. If wizards wanted to reprint all the modern staples, they'd print the set called "Modern Staples", clearly that isn't the case here. Metas do shift, and people do play fringe decks. For all we know, Travis Woo could come up with some crazy modern brew tomorrow using the valkyrie as a center piece for the combo. There are bound to be some people that want to play that and it wouldn't hurt to have those cards be accessible if that ever becomes the case.
Another thing to consider is that they're making modern masters a draftable set so people don't just buy it to crack the packs hoping to score, they want people to have fun with the packs too which is where the drafting part comes in. It would absolutely be stupid if I opened a pack and saw nothing but staples that don't work well with each other in a draft deck.
So knowing the sets of MM2, and with a bit of speculation, what are the cards that will almost definitly be include in MM2 and that I should trade/sell away now before their value crashes? Im thinking of cards like Noble Hierarch, Mox Opal, etc.
So knowing the sets of MM2, and with a bit of speculation, what are the cards that will almost definitly be include in MM2 and that I should trade/sell away now before their value crashes? Im thinking of cards like Noble Hierarch, Mox Opal, etc.
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I would assume Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe are almost 100% going to be reprinted.
The Shadowmoor / Eventide filter lands are an even money bet to be reprinted too. I'd be dropping those like they're hot. Elesh Norn (not to mention the other four NPH Praetors) as well.
Definitely should put a bit of a damper on demand for some of the more pricy cards that could or will likely get reprinted in the meantime. I know a lot of people were building up their playsets of the higher end stuff because they kept going up due to supply vs demand, now with this announcement, that group and their addition to the demand is going to get turned on its head. Will be interesting to see what all they decide to put in the set, especially with the higher MSRP of $9.99 a pack now (yeesh), of course given how strong demand was for the last modern masters, I'm not too overly surprised, especially if they plan to add a bunch more valuable stuff into the mix this time to make it worthwhile. Especially since both zendikar block and scars block have a good bit to offer as far as valuable cards go that haven't yet seen a reprint. I expect the supply will be higher than last time but still fairly limited, at least now wizards has an idea of how well a product like this can sell, though I think we should still expect them to be cautious and not print a ton of it as some people may be hoping, likely with the increase in price in addition to a reasonable increase in supply, they are going to continue to test to waters to see what they can get away with from a supply/demand/price perspective.
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In terms of rares I think we'll see the Shadowmoor block lands reprinted as a cycle of 10, and deck archetypes built around each of the colour pairs, so UB ninja, UW control, BR discard/burn, BG infect, WR metalcraft, etc.
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This was a no brainer. They will reprint everything of value until nothing except the reserved list is worth more than a buck.
Anyhow, I would think the first edition won't be reprinted again - this will be a whole brand new list of 249 devaluations.
Yep I don't like this one bit, it's so discouraging buying or trading for cards for one format or another and then reprints coming and devaluing your cards to nearly nothing. It's the reason I quit another TCG way back, simply because the company wouldn't hesitate to print the most popular cards to make the quickest buck thus basically meaning you are throwing money out the window if you want to be the slightest bit competitive or do what the 'C' in TCG suggests you should do.
Like ok, I get it some cards NEED reprints. Goyf was a perfect example, 200 dollar+ card in no time was becoming a huge barrier to entry for people wanting to play modern, a format that should be reasonably accessible.. However when you take 249 5-20+ dollar card at random and just decide 'wow these need a reprint' it just annoys me, most of these cards that will be reprinted aren't even very played and thus are only held up by the limited supply.
I honestly HATE the idea of modern masters, I wish Wizards never printed it, its just going to open the floodgates for more and more reprints.
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The thing I haven't seen stated is that Modern Masters 2015 heavily implies that modern masters will be a yearly thing like commander so as to slowly drive down the price of cards I could be wrong on this but it not being called modern masters 2 by WotC is pretty odd.
If goyf isn't reprinted people will riot when it reaches $300 a pop. WotC can't seriously want that in modern/a card that surpasses almost all the cards on the reserved list and is ludicrous at 1 grand for a playset at least.
All the eldrazi titans will be in. Mox opal is very likely there. Not sure what else. Depends on what limited strategies they put in there first and foremost.
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The thing I haven't seen stated is that Modern Masters 2015 heavily implies that modern masters will be a yearly thing like commander so as to slowly drive down the price of cards I could be wrong on this but it not being called modern masters 2 by WotC is pretty odd.
If goyf isn't reprinted people will riot when it reaches $300 a pop. WotC can't seriously want that in modern/a card that surpasses almost all the cards on the reserved list and is ludicrous at 1 grand for a playset at least.
All the eldrazi titans will be in. Mox opal is very likely there. Not sure what else. Depends on what limited strategies they put in there first and foremost.
I don't necessarily think it will be yearly, maybe every 2 years. Modern Masters is taking the summer product slot, so maybe every other year Wizards is going to try something else like another Conspiracy, Planeschase, or Archenemy product. That being said, I am definitely in favor of seeing Modern Masters every year.
I have three sealed boxes of MM1. How do you think MM2 is going to affect their price? Do you think I should try and sell them now or will they continue to at least hold their value?
Sell them to me for $300 a pop! Honestly, it depends on what gets printed in MM2015. If nothing from MM1 is reprinted, then the value of the boxes will either remain the same or rise since the supply will be unchanged. Only chance I see for a drop in MM1 value is that both of its main mythics (Bob and Goyf) are on a bit of a decline right now however, these are 2 cards that are somewhat "recession-proof" in a sense as they are still too good and highly sought after to see a drop that would negatively impact your boxes' value. Also, I'd wait for Pro Tour FRF to sell them. That's when a lot of the newer players and some of the older players will be introduced/re-introduced to modern and demand for product will peak again. Either way, good on you for having the resistance to keep those boxes sealed for so long.
In addition to the pool for Modern Masters they have added Zendikar block, Scars of Mirrodin block, and Magic 2011 to the pool they can draw from. Not sure about Magic 2012. That will give them plenty of new cards to choose from, plus 'obvious' cards from the rest of the pool that weren't printed last time, e.g. the Shadowmoor/Eventide lands, Bitterblossom et al.
I'm sure some cards from MM will get another run in 2015, but not enough to reduce the value of MM boxes IMO.
I wonder if Crucible of Worlds might show up in this set. As far as I know, it's not played in any Modern deck, but it's a nearly-$30 rare thanks to EDH and has been due for a reprint for some time now. I need one for an EDH deck but I'm thinking that maybe I should wait.
I wonder if Crucible of Worlds might show up in this set. As far as I know, it's not played in any Modern deck, but it's a nearly-$30 rare thanks to EDH and has been due for a reprint for some time now. I need one for an EDH deck but I'm thinking that maybe I should wait.
I would tend to doubt it. They're already going to spending a lot of rare and mythic slots on colorless cards between the metalcraft theme, Emrakul (as well as other possible eldrazi), and possibly Karn.
I wonder if Crucible of Worlds might show up in this set. As far as I know, it's not played in any Modern deck, but it's a nearly-$30 rare thanks to EDH and has been due for a reprint for some time now. I need one for an EDH deck but I'm thinking that maybe I should wait.
I would tend to doubt it. They're already going to spending a lot of rare and mythic slots on colorless cards between the metalcraft theme, Emrakul (as well as other possible eldrazi), and possibly Karn.
You might have a point there. Guess I should go ahead and get one.
Speaking of semi-colorless things, should I dump my Spellskites? I'm not using them for anything and they're near $20 right now, but it's a card I want to have a playset of so I'm afraid I'll dump them and they won't get reprinted in MM2 or they won't take a big price dip due to the MSRP and scarcity of MM-style sets.
Speaking of semi-colorless things, should I dump my Spellskites? I'm not using them for anything and they're near $20 right now, but it's a card I want to have a playset of so I'm afraid I'll dump them and they won't get reprinted in MM2 or they won't take a big price dip due to the MSRP and scarcity of MM-style sets.
Modern Masters seems like one of the few outlets available for reprinting Phyrexian mana. Spellskite is a card that's really popular in Modern and needs a reprint. It may be just a random one-off, and not supporting any particular theme, but I expect to see it. That said, I also don't expect the price to crash due to a MM printing. I'd hold (and, in fact, I am holding my copies).
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Speaking of semi-colorless things, should I dump my Spellskites? I'm not using them for anything and they're near $20 right now, but it's a card I want to have a playset of so I'm afraid I'll dump them and they won't get reprinted in MM2 or they won't take a big price dip due to the MSRP and scarcity of MM-style sets.
Modern Masters seems like one of the few outlets available for reprinting Phyrexian mana. Spellskite is a card that's really popular in Modern and needs a reprint. It may be just a random one-off, and not supporting any particular theme, but I expect to see it. That said, I also don't expect the price to crash due to a MM printing. I'd hold (and, in fact, I am holding my copies).
I agree with this, especially at $10 a pack, with how many mediocre rares/mythics MM1 had (2/3 of them weren't worth the pack unless you opened a path to exile with them). Any rare worth it's place in competitive magic will drop $5 max from this set that has had a decent supply, which many of the cards from these sets did like spellskite. Something that is obviously in high demand and low supply however, like a reprint of Goyf might drop in price $50, but I wouldn't guess much lower than that with the price of the packs and how many low value cards they threw in there last time.
Those filter lands would be a pretty bad option for mana fixing as they are rarely played in modern. They are expensive but what does that mean when most decks play shocks and sac lands.
Those filter lands would be a pretty bad option for mana fixing as they are rarely played in modern. They are expensive but what does that mean when most decks play shocks and sac lands.
Wrong - four of the five enemy-colour ones see a ton of play (with Fetid Heath being the exception). They're just not quite the four-ofs you were expecting. Given the lack of solid enemy duals outside of the shocks and fetches, their play in Modern is exactly what is keeping their price up.
I had some glorious links to the SCG Modern decklists running the other four, but the forum BBCode ate the URLs, so you'll have to take my word for it, but trust me when I say that Cascade Bluffs and Twilight Mire in particular are seeing a lot of play.
Probably before Khans of Tarkir came out, filter lands were played. Kiki Pod played some Fire-Lit Thicket, several decks played Cascade Bluffs, Scapeshift played Flooded Grove, GBx played Twilight Mire(s)... Rugged Prairie, Mystic Gate, and Graven Cairns absolutely saw no play other than maybe some fringe decks that I've never heard of, which says a lot, considering I've played about 20 decks since Modern was a format.
Let's look at the top decks right now.
Pod - 0 filters
Delver - 0 filters
Affinity - 0 filters
Scapeshift - I think that the new lists run 0-1, down from the 2-3 that they ran before
Junk Midrange - 0 filters I believe; maybe 1 Twilight Mire at most
Amulet - 0 filters
Zoo - 0 filters
Anything I'm missing...
*Anyway on topic, I just don't see MM2015 competing with MM1 because it is most likely that Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, and Tarmogoyf will not be in it. Any other cards just simply can't compare. We'll see what it has. I hope someone does a value analysis compared with the first MM.
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Probably before Khans of Tarkir came out, filter lands were played. Kiki Pod played some Fire-Lit Thicket, several decks played Cascade Bluffs, Scapeshift played Flooded Grove, GBx played Twilight Mire(s)... Rugged Prairie, Mystic Gate, and Graven Cairns absolutely saw no play other than maybe some fringe decks that I've never heard of, which says a lot, considering I've played about 20 decks since Modern was a format.
Let's look at the top decks right now.
Pod - 0 filters
Delver - 0 filters
Affinity - 0 filters
Scapeshift - I think that the new lists run 0-1, down from the 2-3 that they ran before
Junk Midrange - 0 filters I believe; maybe 1 Twilight Mire at most
Amulet - 0 filters
Zoo - 0 filters
Anything I'm missing...
Surprisingly, the SCG decklists were showing up a packet from the end of November (which confused the hell out of me too). Maybe all the guys playing in the SCG opens hadn't opened any Khans yet?
Anyway, you pretty much nailed the list, other than UR Twin (which was running Cascade Bluffs). Supposedly, there was a Boros Prison deck running around that carried Rugged Prairie too (but it wasn't a top-tier deck, obviously).
*Anyway on topic, I just don't see MM2015 competing with MM1 because it is most likely that Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, and Tarmogoyf will not be in it. Any other cards just simply can't compare. We'll see what it has. I hope someone does a value analysis compared with the first MM.
Agreed. I think about the only way they achieve this with MM2 is by sticking all three Eldrazi gorillas, Mox Opal, Norn and all ten filters lands in. In which case, given most of that is either land or colourless, it will be enjoyed by all people who build decks.
Other than that, about the only other way I can see them achieving it is by sticking Jace, the Wallet Sculptor in, but that then turns MM2 into the Search for the Golden Ticket.
And if they do either of the above things, they'll have spent all their tickets for (the inevitable) MM3.
Probably before Khans of Tarkir came out, filter lands were played. Kiki Pod played some Fire-Lit Thicket, several decks played Cascade Bluffs, Scapeshift played Flooded Grove, GBx played Twilight Mire(s)... Rugged Prairie, Mystic Gate, and Graven Cairns absolutely saw no play other than maybe some fringe decks that I've never heard of, which says a lot, considering I've played about 20 decks since Modern was a format.
Let's look at the top decks right now.
Pod - 0 filters
Delver - 0 filters
Affinity - 0 filters
Scapeshift - I think that the new lists run 0-1, down from the 2-3 that they ran before
Junk Midrange - 0 filters I believe; maybe 1 Twilight Mire at most
Amulet - 0 filters
Zoo - 0 filters
Anything I'm missing...
Surprisingly, the SCG decklists were showing up a packet from the end of November (which confused the hell out of me too). Maybe all the guys playing in the SCG opens hadn't opened any Khans yet?
Anyway, you pretty much nailed the list, other than UR Twin (which was running Cascade Bluffs). Supposedly, there was a Boros Prison deck running around that carried Rugged Prairie too (but it wasn't a top-tier deck, obviously).
*Anyway on topic, I just don't see MM2015 competing with MM1 because it is most likely that Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, and Tarmogoyf will not be in it. Any other cards just simply can't compare. We'll see what it has. I hope someone does a value analysis compared with the first MM.
Agreed. I think about the only way they achieve this with MM2 is by sticking all three Eldrazi gorillas, Mox Opal, Norn and all ten filters lands in. In which case, given most of that is either land or colourless, it will be enjoyed by all people who build decks.
Other than that, about the only other way I can see them achieving it is by sticking Jace, the Wallet Sculptor in, but that then turns MM2 into the Search for the Golden Ticket.
And if they do either of the above things, they'll have spent all their tickets for (the inevitable) MM3.
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Modern masters is for cards that are modern legal. If wizards wanted to reprint all the modern staples, they'd print the set called "Modern Staples", clearly that isn't the case here. Metas do shift, and people do play fringe decks. For all we know, Travis Woo could come up with some crazy modern brew tomorrow using the valkyrie as a center piece for the combo. There are bound to be some people that want to play that and it wouldn't hurt to have those cards be accessible if that ever becomes the case.
Another thing to consider is that they're making modern masters a draftable set so people don't just buy it to crack the packs hoping to score, they want people to have fun with the packs too which is where the drafting part comes in. It would absolutely be stupid if I opened a pack and saw nothing but staples that don't work well with each other in a draft deck.
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I would assume Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe are almost 100% going to be reprinted.
Elesh Norn (not to mention the other four NPH Praetors) as well.
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Five additional mono-coloured cards: Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Jace Beleren, Skithyrix, the Blight Dragon, Dragonmaster Outcast, Primeval Titan
In terms of rares I think we'll see the Shadowmoor block lands reprinted as a cycle of 10, and deck archetypes built around each of the colour pairs, so UB ninja, UW control, BR discard/burn, BG infect, WR metalcraft, etc.
Minor nitpick but TCG stands for "trading card game" and you cannot use card as a verb.
If goyf isn't reprinted people will riot when it reaches $300 a pop. WotC can't seriously want that in modern/a card that surpasses almost all the cards on the reserved list and is ludicrous at 1 grand for a playset at least.
All the eldrazi titans will be in. Mox opal is very likely there. Not sure what else. Depends on what limited strategies they put in there first and foremost.
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I'm sure some cards from MM will get another run in 2015, but not enough to reduce the value of MM boxes IMO.
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I would tend to doubt it. They're already going to spending a lot of rare and mythic slots on colorless cards between the metalcraft theme, Emrakul (as well as other possible eldrazi), and possibly Karn.
You might have a point there. Guess I should go ahead and get one.
Speaking of semi-colorless things, should I dump my Spellskites? I'm not using them for anything and they're near $20 right now, but it's a card I want to have a playset of so I'm afraid I'll dump them and they won't get reprinted in MM2 or they won't take a big price dip due to the MSRP and scarcity of MM-style sets.
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Modern Masters seems like one of the few outlets available for reprinting Phyrexian mana. Spellskite is a card that's really popular in Modern and needs a reprint. It may be just a random one-off, and not supporting any particular theme, but I expect to see it. That said, I also don't expect the price to crash due to a MM printing. I'd hold (and, in fact, I am holding my copies).
I agree with this, especially at $10 a pack, with how many mediocre rares/mythics MM1 had (2/3 of them weren't worth the pack unless you opened a path to exile with them). Any rare worth it's place in competitive magic will drop $5 max from this set that has had a decent supply, which many of the cards from these sets did like spellskite. Something that is obviously in high demand and low supply however, like a reprint of Goyf might drop in price $50, but I wouldn't guess much lower than that with the price of the packs and how many low value cards they threw in there last time.
Wrong - four of the five enemy-colour ones see a ton of play (with Fetid Heath being the exception). They're just not quite the four-ofs you were expecting. Given the lack of solid enemy duals outside of the shocks and fetches, their play in Modern is exactly what is keeping their price up.
I had some glorious links to the SCG Modern decklists running the other four, but the forum BBCode ate the URLs, so you'll have to take my word for it, but trust me when I say that Cascade Bluffs and Twilight Mire in particular are seeing a lot of play.
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Let's look at the top decks right now.
Pod - 0 filters
Delver - 0 filters
Affinity - 0 filters
Scapeshift - I think that the new lists run 0-1, down from the 2-3 that they ran before
Junk Midrange - 0 filters I believe; maybe 1 Twilight Mire at most
Amulet - 0 filters
Zoo - 0 filters
Anything I'm missing...
*Anyway on topic, I just don't see MM2015 competing with MM1 because it is most likely that Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, and Tarmogoyf will not be in it. Any other cards just simply can't compare. We'll see what it has. I hope someone does a value analysis compared with the first MM.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Surprisingly, the SCG decklists were showing up a packet from the end of November (which confused the hell out of me too). Maybe all the guys playing in the SCG opens hadn't opened any Khans yet?
Anyway, you pretty much nailed the list, other than UR Twin (which was running Cascade Bluffs). Supposedly, there was a Boros Prison deck running around that carried Rugged Prairie too (but it wasn't a top-tier deck, obviously).
Agreed. I think about the only way they achieve this with MM2 is by sticking all three Eldrazi gorillas, Mox Opal, Norn and all ten filters lands in. In which case, given most of that is either land or colourless, it will be enjoyed by all people who build decks.
Other than that, about the only other way I can see them achieving it is by sticking Jace, the Wallet Sculptor in, but that then turns MM2 into the Search for the Golden Ticket.
And if they do either of the above things, they'll have spent all their tickets for (the inevitable) MM3.
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