I get the feeling that PucaTrade is becoming less and less the place for older cards. Even ones not heavily in demand. I've had Raging River on my wants list for about a year now, along with some other older obscure cards.
I think part of the trouble is that the older cards that are generally hard to find in the first place, often people who are trading are looking for a premium when trading with them because they can often be hard to replace after being traded away. In the case of pucatrade, what the card goes for is what the card goes for, and in many cases for cards also on the reserved list, people are often wary of trading them away because they know they wont be reprinted and in many cases the price trajectory for many such cards tends to only be up over time, so its often better for people to just hold onto them for later or trade for a premium if an opportunity arises rather than given them up on a place like pucatrade. Newer cards however are newer, tend to be in higher supply, and have a chance of being reprinted which can prompt people to be more willing to offload them for other cards they need. I think the inevitable issue with something like pucatrade is while there are people who are willing to trade off their older cards for other cards they may be after, eventually the amount of people willing to do that will begin to slow and run out because there are so many people that are looking to offload their newer cards looking for older cards and far more than the number with older cards looking to trade for older cards. Will be interesting to see how things shape up in that regard in the future.
I get the feeling that PucaTrade is becoming less and less the place for older cards. Even ones not heavily in demand. I've had Raging River on my wants list for about a year now, along with some other older obscure cards.
Yeah. But if you sell your points you can just buy them on eBay and get anything from a used piece of toilet paper to a graded BGS 10. I'd been trying to get an English Nether Void for a long time, sold my Italian (and because he was frustrated looking for the card he gave me full points for it), sold the points on Facebook, and bought a LP copy myself. And it took a week.
I get the feeling that PucaTrade is becoming less and less the place for older cards. Even ones not heavily in demand. I've had Raging River on my wants list for about a year now, along with some other older obscure cards.
Yeah. But if you sell your points you can just buy them on eBay and get anything from a used piece of toilet paper to a graded BGS 10. I'd been trying to get an English Nether Void for a long time, sold my Italian (and because he was frustrated looking for the card he gave me full points for it), sold the points on Facebook, and bought a LP copy myself. And it took a week.
Didn't someone mention that Pucatrade updated their policies or something and people are no longer allowed to sell their pucapoints like that anymore though? I thought I read that somewhere in this thread, but I suppose I could be wrong.
Oh.
I have no idea.
I see it a lot there, see reddit threads/groups, Facebook groups, and people even here. Hard to stop I guess.
I decided to check the PUCA website for the information and sure enough, general rule 6. Selling or facilitating the sale of PucaPoints on the secondary market is not permitted at this time.
Definitely unfortunate, but I suppose they just don't want people involved in transactions outside of pucatrade itself and people basically creating a "cash" value for the points that might take away from the perceived value of the points themselves for trading on the site. Either way, I'm not even sure how exactly they would enforce such a rule, but you never know.
Oh.
I have no idea.
I see it a lot there, see reddit threads/groups, Facebook groups, and people even here. Hard to stop I guess.
I decided to check the PUCA website for the information and sure enough, general rule 6. Selling or facilitating the sale of PucaPoints on the secondary market is not permitted at this time.
Definitely unfortunate, but I suppose they just don't want people involved in transactions outside of pucatrade itself and people basically creating a "cash" value for the points that might take away from the perceived value of the points themselves for trading on the site. Either way, I'm not even sure how exactly they would enforce such a rule, but you never know.
The policy was instated because someone put together a professional-looking website enabling the easy buying and selling or PucaPoints. An amateur user could easily find the site (PucaPoints.com) and PucaTrade's built-in sale of points would presumably be greatly effected.
It threatened their revenue stream, and as a largely free service they needed to protect it. I don't think they are going to come after individual users swapping points in back channels. But a large match-making service threatens their business model.
Strange that, despite the implementation of these new rules, the gold user who's currently at the top of my "send a card" list has the username "125pp/$1 Fast + Bonus"
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Just wondering about something: I have a message from a user whom I send some old foils claiming they have "Heavy clouding and are heavily played". Now I will acknowledge that perhaps some of these cards could have a degree of clouding due to being rather old and sitting in my folder and being reorganized repeatedly for about 12 to 15 years, but I know for certain that they are not to be graded HP.... at worst moderately played. I mean come on, I'm a collector myself and I take care in what goes into my collections.
What actually triggered me is that he wants to settle it with an offer "before opening a dispute". Why not open a dispute? Is he thinking he is doing me a favor by not opening it? Does he need to dodge disputes due to a high volume of them? It's not that I want to decline the offer, I just find it kind of strange: the dispute system is there for exactly these kinds of things and I feel it's imperative to track the performance of traders to keep the community healthy... even if I stand to lose from it....
Just wondering about something: I have a message from a user whom I send some old foils claiming they have "Heavy clouding and are heavily played". Now I will acknowledge that perhaps some of these cards could have a degree of clouding due to being rather old and sitting in my folder and being reorganized repeatedly for about 12 to 15 years, but I know for certain that they are not to be graded HP.... at worst moderately played. I mean come on, I'm a collector myself and I take care in what goes into my collections.
What actually triggered me is that he wants to settle it with an offer "before opening a dispute". Why not open a dispute? Is he thinking he is doing me a favor by not opening it? Does he need to dodge disputes due to a high volume of them? It's not that I want to decline the offer, I just find it kind of strange: the dispute system is there for exactly these kinds of things and I feel it's imperative to track the performance of traders to keep the community healthy... even if I stand to lose from it....
What would you do?
If you feel the HP condition quote and offer are too low, then definitely open a case or request they open one so it can be worked out as far as possible for both parties by pucatrade. I know a lot of foil buyers also tend to be collectors, and they often tend to be VERY picky when it comes to condition. You could also ask them to clarify the what all is wrong with the card that would prompt them to call it HP for condition, and worst case you could always just ask them to return the cards if you feel they are being unreasonable (beyond of course getting the admins and such involved and seeing what they think and handling it that way.) I know at least when it comes to foils its important to be as straight forward and detailed when it comes to condition as you can with the people you trade/sell to because of the collector angle and because of just how many flaws foils can have (Even these days when coming straight out of the packs).
Anyhow, good luck and I hope things work out in your favor and to be as fair for both parties involved.
His offer isn't bad, even if the cards would be graded at MP. The thing is that it kind of feels like an insult: Heavily played is glaringly obvious defects, strong whitening, crimping, tearing, dents and scratches. This is not even up for debate, it's parameters are quite well defined. And as I said, it comes from my personal collection of pre-release cards: I make damn sure that what goes in is at least NM.
For now I'm just going to take up his offer I think, but it's still a something I don't feel comfortable about.
Have him open a case and post pictures of the cards he claims are HP for you and the admins to see. It will be easier to come to a consensus this way with no doubt about condition.
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Do you want to see how a website kills itself? This, this is how you kill yourself. Cash out of pucatrade now if your smart.
Wow, is this new? If this is happening, the inflation is going to get insane. You're going to have to start offering 50% bounties to get any high demand cards.
The sign up bonus is only a one-time sign up bonus though, once you have received a sign up bonus you will not be able to qualify to get another one.
So it will only affect new members who have not received a sign up bonus that agree to sign up and pay for a one-year initial subscription in either a gold membership ($90 for the year and 9000 pucapoints one-time bonus), or silver membership ($45 for the year and 4500 pucapoints one-time bonus).
Basically the bonus is only equivalent to the amount of money spent into the system for the yearly membership and only available on a one-time basis. I'm not sure that will break anything necessarily, especially when you cant get the bonus more than once, but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
I got a month of silver recently, which came with a 500PP bonus. Does anyone know for sure if that disqualifies me from the $45 bonus they're offering with the yearly plans?
I got a month of silver recently, which came with a 500PP bonus. Does anyone know for sure if that disqualifies me from the $45 bonus they're offering with the yearly plans?
The pop-over on the advertisement says anyone who received a bonus can't get another, regardless of tier.
Okay, I'm one of the 'high volume' bulk traders on Puca, and up until the new year, never had much of a problem floating ~4000 points in sends with not a lot of effort on my part. Now that number has easily halved, with no apparent signs of upticking again. Has anyone else noticed this? Are we seeing the end of the Gold era of PucaTrade, sliding into lower usage? I'm not too worried, but god - I put in a lot of time sorting and entering bulk into the system. I knew there would come a day where I would sign off when even my picked through bulk was picked through further, but didn't think that time was approaching. Could it be a new year hangover?
Okay, I'm one of the 'high volume' bulk traders on Puca, and up until the new year, never had much of a problem floating ~4000 points in sends with not a lot of effort on my part. Now that number has easily halved, with no apparent signs of upticking again. Has anyone else noticed this? Are we seeing the end of the Gold era of PucaTrade, sliding into lower usage? I'm not too worried, but god - I put in a lot of time sorting and entering bulk into the system. I knew there would come a day where I would sign off when even my picked through bulk was picked through further, but didn't think that time was approaching. Could it be a new year hangover?
Coming from someone who's 24hrs removed from converting a month's worth of dross into Kozilek, the Great Distortion? I'd say it's a combination of new year hangover and the usual cautiousness as a new set approaches. I watched Puca go unnaturally quiet the week before the BFZ pre-release, so I expected much the same this week (and got it). So I loaded my want list up with OGW stuff for my cube, just to see if people stepped out of their pre-releases, got back onto Puca and dumped it all. Answer so far has been an emphatic "yes".
Okay, I'm one of the 'high volume' bulk traders on Puca, and up until the new year, never had much of a problem floating ~4000 points in sends with not a lot of effort on my part. Now that number has easily halved, with no apparent signs of upticking again. Has anyone else noticed this? Are we seeing the end of the Gold era of PucaTrade, sliding into lower usage? I'm not too worried, but god - I put in a lot of time sorting and entering bulk into the system. I knew there would come a day where I would sign off when even my picked through bulk was picked through further, but didn't think that time was approaching. Could it be a new year hangover?
We are probably in a period right now where a lot of people are waiting for the new set to come out (for some reason I thought I heard someone mention that this tends to happen right before the release of a new magic set). Coupled with it being the weeks after Christmas and the new years holiday as well as all the crazy recent spikes in cards to some degree or another and its possible the combination may simply be leading to people waiting a bit before things get back to normal again.
Pucatrade has Thought-Knot Seer non-foil at $15+ and the foil at only $6.
How long does it usually take them to get stuff like this corrected?
It appears they've got a guy who processes the new cards and flagged price reports. My guess is he'll hit these sometime this morning. There are a lot of cards and sometimes it takes time to fix the right price for less-traded cards that bots can't do for you.
Pucatrade has Thought-Knot Seer non-foil at $15+ and the foil at only $6.
How long does it usually take them to get stuff like this corrected?
Flag the item, longest I have seen a discrepancy go is 48hrs.
I just got through my worst case scenario with a trade case and wanted to share the experience with you all. I got a Garruk Wildspeaker that the mailman must have dropped in a puddle. The envelope was slightly damp (kinda floppy but not wet to the touch), but as I opened it the moisture was locked inside. I couldn't even take the card out of the sleeve for fear of the friction tearing the card.
So I opened a case, and I honestly felt bad because the sender wasn't at fault but I shouldn't have to bear the burden. In the case log I asked if he wanted the card back, but we were in the same boat and he wasn't sure how to proceed. I actually halted the cards I was shipping until I knew how the Admin would handle the situation, as it has a huge influence on my continued use of PucaTrade. Out of the 4 trades I was holding off on 1 guy busted a gasket because of the 48 hour rule and apparently he needs that $1 foil Defy Death badly, the other three understood and appreciated the heads up.
Admin ended up crediting both of us for the card due to the 100% Trade guarantee. No one got the short end of the stick and I'll be happy to keep using Puca. The guy that wants the Defy Death would have had it in the mail by now but he wanted to cancle, so he opened a case and alerted an Admin and won't accept the trade cancelation, so that's ongoing but I really don't care how that one falls he can keep my points he ain't getting the card.
I just got through my worst case scenario with a trade case and wanted to share the experience with you all. I got a Garruk Wildspeaker that the mailman must have dropped in a puddle. The envelope was slightly damp (kinda floppy but not wet to the touch), but as I opened it the moisture was locked inside. I couldn't even take the card out of the sleeve for fear of the friction tearing the card.
So I opened a case, and I honestly felt bad because the sender wasn't at fault but I shouldn't have to bear the burden. In the case log I asked if he wanted the card back, but we were in the same boat and he wasn't sure how to proceed. I actually halted the cards I was shipping until I knew how the Admin would handle the situation, as it has a huge influence on my continued use of PucaTrade. Out of the 4 trades I was holding off on 1 guy busted a gasket because of the 48 hour rule and apparently he needs that $1 foil Defy Death badly, the other three understood and appreciated the heads up.
Admin ended up crediting both of us for the card due to the 100% Trade guarantee. No one got the short end of the stick and I'll be happy to keep using Puca. The guy that wants the Defy Death would have had it in the mail by now but he wanted to cancle, so he opened a case and alerted an Admin and won't accept the trade cancelation, so that's ongoing but I really don't care how that one falls he can keep my points he ain't getting the card.
Over a $1 foil uncommon? Man, he deserves a kick in the pants and a kitten to hug. I wouldn't give him the card either.
I think part of the trouble is that the older cards that are generally hard to find in the first place, often people who are trading are looking for a premium when trading with them because they can often be hard to replace after being traded away. In the case of pucatrade, what the card goes for is what the card goes for, and in many cases for cards also on the reserved list, people are often wary of trading them away because they know they wont be reprinted and in many cases the price trajectory for many such cards tends to only be up over time, so its often better for people to just hold onto them for later or trade for a premium if an opportunity arises rather than given them up on a place like pucatrade. Newer cards however are newer, tend to be in higher supply, and have a chance of being reprinted which can prompt people to be more willing to offload them for other cards they need. I think the inevitable issue with something like pucatrade is while there are people who are willing to trade off their older cards for other cards they may be after, eventually the amount of people willing to do that will begin to slow and run out because there are so many people that are looking to offload their newer cards looking for older cards and far more than the number with older cards looking to trade for older cards. Will be interesting to see how things shape up in that regard in the future.
Yeah. But if you sell your points you can just buy them on eBay and get anything from a used piece of toilet paper to a graded BGS 10. I'd been trying to get an English Nether Void for a long time, sold my Italian (and because he was frustrated looking for the card he gave me full points for it), sold the points on Facebook, and bought a LP copy myself. And it took a week.
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Didn't someone mention that Pucatrade updated their policies or something and people are no longer allowed to sell their pucapoints like that anymore though? I thought I read that somewhere in this thread, but I suppose I could be wrong.
I have no idea.
I see it a lot there, see reddit threads/groups, Facebook groups, and people even here. Hard to stop I guess.
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I decided to check the PUCA website for the information and sure enough, general rule 6. Selling or facilitating the sale of PucaPoints on the secondary market is not permitted at this time.
Definitely unfortunate, but I suppose they just don't want people involved in transactions outside of pucatrade itself and people basically creating a "cash" value for the points that might take away from the perceived value of the points themselves for trading on the site. Either way, I'm not even sure how exactly they would enforce such a rule, but you never know.
The policy was instated because someone put together a professional-looking website enabling the easy buying and selling or PucaPoints. An amateur user could easily find the site (PucaPoints.com) and PucaTrade's built-in sale of points would presumably be greatly effected.
It threatened their revenue stream, and as a largely free service they needed to protect it. I don't think they are going to come after individual users swapping points in back channels. But a large match-making service threatens their business model.
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What actually triggered me is that he wants to settle it with an offer "before opening a dispute". Why not open a dispute? Is he thinking he is doing me a favor by not opening it? Does he need to dodge disputes due to a high volume of them? It's not that I want to decline the offer, I just find it kind of strange: the dispute system is there for exactly these kinds of things and I feel it's imperative to track the performance of traders to keep the community healthy... even if I stand to lose from it....
What would you do?
If you feel the HP condition quote and offer are too low, then definitely open a case or request they open one so it can be worked out as far as possible for both parties by pucatrade. I know a lot of foil buyers also tend to be collectors, and they often tend to be VERY picky when it comes to condition. You could also ask them to clarify the what all is wrong with the card that would prompt them to call it HP for condition, and worst case you could always just ask them to return the cards if you feel they are being unreasonable (beyond of course getting the admins and such involved and seeing what they think and handling it that way.) I know at least when it comes to foils its important to be as straight forward and detailed when it comes to condition as you can with the people you trade/sell to because of the collector angle and because of just how many flaws foils can have (Even these days when coming straight out of the packs).
Anyhow, good luck and I hope things work out in your favor and to be as fair for both parties involved.
For now I'm just going to take up his offer I think, but it's still a something I don't feel comfortable about.
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Legacy: UBGShardless BUGGBU
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UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU
UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU
URGYasova the ThreateningGRU
BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
Do you want to see how a website kills itself? This, this is how you kill yourself. Cash out of pucatrade now if your smart.
Wow, is this new? If this is happening, the inflation is going to get insane. You're going to have to start offering 50% bounties to get any high demand cards.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=11439737#post11439737
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Nevermind I just found it, the link to it is here: https://pucatrade.com/pricing
The sign up bonus is only a one-time sign up bonus though, once you have received a sign up bonus you will not be able to qualify to get another one.
So it will only affect new members who have not received a sign up bonus that agree to sign up and pay for a one-year initial subscription in either a gold membership ($90 for the year and 9000 pucapoints one-time bonus), or silver membership ($45 for the year and 4500 pucapoints one-time bonus).
Basically the bonus is only equivalent to the amount of money spent into the system for the yearly membership and only available on a one-time basis. I'm not sure that will break anything necessarily, especially when you cant get the bonus more than once, but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
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The pop-over on the advertisement says anyone who received a bonus can't get another, regardless of tier.
Coming from someone who's 24hrs removed from converting a month's worth of dross into Kozilek, the Great Distortion? I'd say it's a combination of new year hangover and the usual cautiousness as a new set approaches. I watched Puca go unnaturally quiet the week before the BFZ pre-release, so I expected much the same this week (and got it). So I loaded my want list up with OGW stuff for my cube, just to see if people stepped out of their pre-releases, got back onto Puca and dumped it all. Answer so far has been an emphatic "yes".
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We are probably in a period right now where a lot of people are waiting for the new set to come out (for some reason I thought I heard someone mention that this tends to happen right before the release of a new magic set). Coupled with it being the weeks after Christmas and the new years holiday as well as all the crazy recent spikes in cards to some degree or another and its possible the combination may simply be leading to people waiting a bit before things get back to normal again.
How long does it usually take them to get stuff like this corrected?
It appears they've got a guy who processes the new cards and flagged price reports. My guess is he'll hit these sometime this morning. There are a lot of cards and sometimes it takes time to fix the right price for less-traded cards that bots can't do for you.
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Flag the item, longest I have seen a discrepancy go is 48hrs.
I just got through my worst case scenario with a trade case and wanted to share the experience with you all. I got a Garruk Wildspeaker that the mailman must have dropped in a puddle. The envelope was slightly damp (kinda floppy but not wet to the touch), but as I opened it the moisture was locked inside. I couldn't even take the card out of the sleeve for fear of the friction tearing the card.
So I opened a case, and I honestly felt bad because the sender wasn't at fault but I shouldn't have to bear the burden. In the case log I asked if he wanted the card back, but we were in the same boat and he wasn't sure how to proceed. I actually halted the cards I was shipping until I knew how the Admin would handle the situation, as it has a huge influence on my continued use of PucaTrade. Out of the 4 trades I was holding off on 1 guy busted a gasket because of the 48 hour rule and apparently he needs that $1 foil Defy Death badly, the other three understood and appreciated the heads up.
Admin ended up crediting both of us for the card due to the 100% Trade guarantee. No one got the short end of the stick and I'll be happy to keep using Puca. The guy that wants the Defy Death would have had it in the mail by now but he wanted to cancle, so he opened a case and alerted an Admin and won't accept the trade cancelation, so that's ongoing but I really don't care how that one falls he can keep my points he ain't getting the card.
EDIT: Finally found the little flag icon.
Thanks!
Over a $1 foil uncommon? Man, he deserves a kick in the pants and a kitten to hug. I wouldn't give him the card either.
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