I'm thinking of investing in playsets of the shocklands in expectance that they will go up after they rotate out. I started playing right when Theros hit, so I'm pretty new at this whole thing. Is this a good idea? And when would be the best time to let them all go/ what price would they be expected to hit?
My opinion is Shocklands already bottomed out 6-10 months ago. Some could be had for as low as $6 though others were still ~ $10 (Sacred Foundry)
But typically because the size of standard compared to other formats many cards will drop significantly on rotation. There is a chance they will bottom out when they rotate. In any case there will be standard players looking to get rid of them so there will be deals to be had.
With that said there will profit in the next several years on shocklands. But don't expect them to magically double or triple in 12 months.
Set a budget and stick to it. A full playset of all 10 @ $10 per card will set you back $400.
Historically, lands have been really good 'investments' as far as types of lands go. Shocklands are unique because they are the closest we will probably ever see to A/B/U/R duals, they can be fetched and for two life, used the same turn. They are really only played in two formats outside of Standard; Modern and EDH and the reason is because they are fetchable. If you just want multi colored lands, there are many other options in both formats.
With that, IMO, the best time to stock up will be right around rotation. The problem might be that everyone else has the same idea. Shocks will go up once they are out of print and harder to pull from packs or get in Event Decks. How fast will be the question. I think you will see a plateau at some point before Fetches are reprinted. People will have sets that plan on playing Modern now, those entering later will start on shocks and fetches, but if they feel fetches are too high they probably won't buy either, at least there probably wont be enough demand to raise the price too much.
I think the best time to sell is right before an announced reprint. If I was looking to make money, I would probably sell when they double to get my investment back, then when they between $20-$25 sell out, if they hit that high.
I honestly flipped mine after they went back up after bottoming out. I got most of them for about $6, flipped them for about $10 a pop and walked away happy.
Honestly, in 2-3 years they'll likely be $20-$25 cards. As the game keeps growing, modern and EDH players will almost certainly need/want them. I'd say eithr flip them now, if you got them at bottom or tuck them away somewhere and don't look at the price for a couple years.
People will ALWAYS trade for them and they will steadily rise in price, especially after they rotate out of standard. I'd say keep a playset of each and then whenever you can snag extras do it. Modern season is coming up too, while they are in standard they won't jump much, but price will rise with demand.
I wouldn't go out of your way to get them though. I wouldn't spend money on them unless you REALLY need them for play, only trade. If you need cash I'd flip them now though. Otherwise stick em in a binder and play the long-term game.
I still think Shocklands are the most balanced dual lands Wizards has ever made. Which means I think they are reasonable candidates for a core set reprint down the line, or just showing up in a random non-Ravnica block.
I got a set of all 40 when I traded in a mess of cards to a game store a couple months back.
I'd say that waiting a few years will do anyone well, as the supply becomes more scarce, and with more and more players entering the game, more people will want these lands.
I wish my 4/4s with haste and first strike that acted as Goblin Warchiefs were better and didn't die to instants and overshadowed all other 4 drops in the format. And that they had evasion too, and some way to dodge wrath effects.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Standard decks currently run 4x shocks because they don't have access to checks/fetches.
Mana bases are important so standard players will not be dumping them.
Standard is hugely popular right now. If what is being said about RTR being the most opened set of all time is even remotely true there is millions of these cards in print just waiting to flood onto the market when rotation hits.
It's going to be years before any of them go much higher than they are right now today.
I still think Shocklands are the most balanced dual lands Wizards has ever made. Which means I think they are reasonable candidates for a core set reprint down the line, or just showing up in a random non-Ravnica block.
They won't be reprinted for several years. Also they tend to make Core Sets easier for new players and new players don't like paying life for Land.
I'm not sure what you would be stocking up on shocks for. Once the demand goes down from standard rotation, it's going to be years before they recover, unless every single standard player decides to hold onto their sets. The time to get the shocks was when they were $6-$8 each, not when they're $9-$12 each, so at this point, I would be waiting for rotation to see how far they drop.
I sold out of my playset of foil shocks. I made about 50% on them from my purchasing price (all between $15 and $22 each), so I can't say I'm upset, but I'm fully aware that they'll keep going up. It makes more sense to me to put that profit to work now, and sell while they're spiking, than wait for when they're just trickling inevitability up.
I was wondering what the best snap price on foil shocks right now? I'm trying to complete my whole playset of foil shocklands.
One week ago, I listed a foil Godless Shrine on TCG at $1 under the lowest price. A few days later I checked and there was a new listing that beat my price. So, I dropped my price to once again be the lowest offered. I still own the card.
It appears to me that the listed price, on TCG at least, is not a reflection of the real market value. I understand that didn't really answer your question. I just mean to infuse a bit of caution into the speculation.
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I think it's important to mention that anyone looking to invest in these needs to have patience. They aren't going to double in value in the next 2-3 months, for example. Any time a card jumps that much, that quickly, almost no one saw it coming.
However, these are as close to a sure-bet as you can get in magic. They will outpace most savings rates by a good amount. So, if you have some money to set aside for at least 6 months, the ability to unload these for higher then buylist prices (this is always the part people forget) or just want them for added trade value down the line.. then yes, buy shocklands. I would imagine they will be in the $15-25 range roughly one year after they rotated.
The originals will always retain a price somewhat higher than the reprints for sure. If you are able to pick up, for example an original Temple Garden for the same price as the reprint, go original.
Enzie's point on patience is worth remembering. Go long on utility cards. It took 8 years for shocks to be reprinted. It may be 5-6 years before we see them again. I bought mine during standard and I expect to sell in 2016 or 2017. 2018 may be pushing it, but we'll see. As time passes price rises but so does risk (of cards being reprinted).
Shocks are starting to fall away. It's very strange.
Asked around for Abzan shocks for the pod deck I'm building and only 1 guy had them.
So I pulled the best looking ones with only the slightest wear out of his folder and traded off a couple of expensive standard cards for them.
There is only one other local guy that has been hoarding the shocks and he hasn't been seen in weeks.
One guy was hitting me up for Steam Vents the other day, obviously having a bit of trouble hunting them down. Where did they all go? It's a mystery.
I think they're sure to get rarer and rarer especially the better conditions you're after. Eventually people might be less willing to trade them for standard or just as they become part of newly built modern decks people will just not want to pull apart those decks given they don't rotate.
I didn't want to believe modern was as popular as it is as you can see by my earlier posts in this thread but now I'm building a modern deck and my tune has certainly changed. Investing everything into rotating cards when you can trade a bit of standard for modern for a bit of value makes sense.
I don't think you need to get shocks right now but certainly don't just sit by while the ship gets ready to sail.
I didn't want to believe modern was as popular as it is as you can see by my earlier posts in this thread but now I'm building a modern deck and my tune has certainly changed.
It's been a good 3-4 years for lands (ten checks, ten shocks, five fetches, and you can count the scrys if you want + mana confluence & Nykthos) so I think a lot of people (myself included) have been able to create a very good mana base, which is one of the barriers to modern. I've even been thinking more about modern myself, and those thoughts go a lot farther when you already have the mana to start a deck with.
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But typically because the size of standard compared to other formats many cards will drop significantly on rotation. There is a chance they will bottom out when they rotate. In any case there will be standard players looking to get rid of them so there will be deals to be had.
With that said there will profit in the next several years on shocklands. But don't expect them to magically double or triple in 12 months.
Set a budget and stick to it. A full playset of all 10 @ $10 per card will set you back $400.
With that, IMO, the best time to stock up will be right around rotation. The problem might be that everyone else has the same idea. Shocks will go up once they are out of print and harder to pull from packs or get in Event Decks. How fast will be the question. I think you will see a plateau at some point before Fetches are reprinted. People will have sets that plan on playing Modern now, those entering later will start on shocks and fetches, but if they feel fetches are too high they probably won't buy either, at least there probably wont be enough demand to raise the price too much.
I think the best time to sell is right before an announced reprint. If I was looking to make money, I would probably sell when they double to get my investment back, then when they between $20-$25 sell out, if they hit that high.
Honestly, in 2-3 years they'll likely be $20-$25 cards. As the game keeps growing, modern and EDH players will almost certainly need/want them. I'd say eithr flip them now, if you got them at bottom or tuck them away somewhere and don't look at the price for a couple years.
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People will ALWAYS trade for them and they will steadily rise in price, especially after they rotate out of standard. I'd say keep a playset of each and then whenever you can snag extras do it. Modern season is coming up too, while they are in standard they won't jump much, but price will rise with demand.
I wouldn't go out of your way to get them though. I wouldn't spend money on them unless you REALLY need them for play, only trade. If you need cash I'd flip them now though. Otherwise stick em in a binder and play the long-term game.
Not really sure what you are asking. I'd snap buy any ShocklandsFoil @ $20
Then prices for each differ significantly so but there are some that snap buy at $30.
I think Blood CryptFoil, Temple GardenFoil & Overgrown TombFoil should all gain relatively soon.
I'd say that waiting a few years will do anyone well, as the supply becomes more scarce, and with more and more players entering the game, more people will want these lands.
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Standard is putting a massive stamp on demand right now.
Sulfur Falls is worth $8 and is played in modern.
People are overestimating the popularity of modern. Fetches were dumped after Richmond.
That's about right.
Well, if you're a 2-color deck, then you're probably gonna need 4x of the appropriate shock land.
Mana bases are important so standard players will not be dumping them.
Standard is hugely popular right now. If what is being said about RTR being the most opened set of all time is even remotely true there is millions of these cards in print just waiting to flood onto the market when rotation hits.
It's going to be years before any of them go much higher than they are right now today.
Steam Vents is seeing nearly no play in Standard. It maintains it's price from Modern & from another format you haven't mentioned, EDH.
EDH is especially driving foil prices.
Are you working from numbers or conventional wisdom?
They won't be reprinted for several years. Also they tend to make Core Sets easier for new players and new players don't like paying life for Land.
I sold out of my playset of foil shocks. I made about 50% on them from my purchasing price (all between $15 and $22 each), so I can't say I'm upset, but I'm fully aware that they'll keep going up. It makes more sense to me to put that profit to work now, and sell while they're spiking, than wait for when they're just trickling inevitability up.
People still want to hold them because they're playing with them though.
One week ago, I listed a foil Godless Shrine on TCG at $1 under the lowest price. A few days later I checked and there was a new listing that beat my price. So, I dropped my price to once again be the lowest offered. I still own the card.
It appears to me that the listed price, on TCG at least, is not a reflection of the real market value. I understand that didn't really answer your question. I just mean to infuse a bit of caution into the speculation.
However, these are as close to a sure-bet as you can get in magic. They will outpace most savings rates by a good amount. So, if you have some money to set aside for at least 6 months, the ability to unload these for higher then buylist prices (this is always the part people forget) or just want them for added trade value down the line.. then yes, buy shocklands. I would imagine they will be in the $15-25 range roughly one year after they rotated.
Enzie's point on patience is worth remembering. Go long on utility cards. It took 8 years for shocks to be reprinted. It may be 5-6 years before we see them again. I bought mine during standard and I expect to sell in 2016 or 2017. 2018 may be pushing it, but we'll see. As time passes price rises but so does risk (of cards being reprinted).
A similar thing is happening now with fetches.
Asked around for Abzan shocks for the pod deck I'm building and only 1 guy had them.
So I pulled the best looking ones with only the slightest wear out of his folder and traded off a couple of expensive standard cards for them.
There is only one other local guy that has been hoarding the shocks and he hasn't been seen in weeks.
One guy was hitting me up for Steam Vents the other day, obviously having a bit of trouble hunting them down. Where did they all go? It's a mystery.
I think they're sure to get rarer and rarer especially the better conditions you're after. Eventually people might be less willing to trade them for standard or just as they become part of newly built modern decks people will just not want to pull apart those decks given they don't rotate.
I didn't want to believe modern was as popular as it is as you can see by my earlier posts in this thread but now I'm building a modern deck and my tune has certainly changed. Investing everything into rotating cards when you can trade a bit of standard for modern for a bit of value makes sense.
I don't think you need to get shocks right now but certainly don't just sit by while the ship gets ready to sail.
It's been a good 3-4 years for lands (ten checks, ten shocks, five fetches, and you can count the scrys if you want + mana confluence & Nykthos) so I think a lot of people (myself included) have been able to create a very good mana base, which is one of the barriers to modern. I've even been thinking more about modern myself, and those thoughts go a lot farther when you already have the mana to start a deck with.