I'll try to jot down some of the prices SCG is spitting out for the new cards and give comment.
Eidolon of Blossoms - $3
Possibly a bit low, seems like a good card advantage engine which could enable some sort of powerful green aura strategy.
Keranos - $20
Fair enough, he does look powerful with card draw and direct damage.
Iroas - $20
No way. Not good enough with his creature combat matters ability. $6-$10.
Godsend - no price yet
Looks like a $2 mythic to me but it certainly has potential to be powerful.
Hall of Triumph - $2
Looks like it could be a good card. I have been waiting for something to make Brimaz, King of Oreskos a little better and this might be it. Could be worth $5.
Fair enough, he does look powerful with card draw and direct damage.
It was $25 when I first looked this morning. He's been going quick on eBay at $15.
Iroas - $20
No way. Not good enough with his creature combat matters ability. $6-$10.
He started at $10 and sold out super quickly. He's going to $15+ on eBay.
Godsend - no price yet
Looks like a $2 mythic to me but it certainly has potential to be powerful.
Bidding for this on eBay seems just as active as on Iroas yesterday. I'd guess the first few auctions end at between $15 and $20 per copy. Will open on SCG for at least $20.
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I'll try to jot down some of the prices SCG is spitting out for the new cards and give comment.
Eidolon of Blossoms - $3
To slow in a format full of removal to get value out of it for 4 mana. $2 rare soon.
Keranos - $20
way to expensive, but looks really cool for American control as a slow win condition. Most decks will only use 2 though. Wild card rare.
Iroas - $20
"No way. Not good enough with his creature combat matters ability. $6-$10." Right on target there. He is not a threat with one creature on the board. Xenagos, God of Revels is much more effective. Many enjoy playing Boros and are expecting to much from their Iroas deck heavy with good removal. $8-10 fast.
Godsend - no price yet
Looks like a $2 mythic to me but it certainly has potential to be powerful. Agreed again, Sword of Kaldra was not heavily used was it? Looks really good in a Brimaz deck with white devotion, but removal again is keeping it from being a top deck. $3 mythic.
Hall of Triumph - $2
Looks like it could be a good card. I have been waiting for something to make Brimaz, King of Oreskos a little better and this might be it. Could be worth $5. Has potential in standard and is decent in Commander for certain decks. $5 at most.
Yeah, Mogis also started at $20. The gods will drop - all of them have, even Thassa, Queen of Standard. Legendary cards start out almost as hot as planeswalkers. The gods have unique effects, so people want them.
I don't see Godsend being a great card, but I really love the art.
Hall of Triumph seems best in a white weenie deck, that already has access to a ton of anthem effects. Maybe Blue Devotion will pick it up for the Elemental tokens? Not sure, but probably not.
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It seems like the theme of Theros block has been "WOW THE GODS ARE AWESOME!" during spoiler season, and then all the enthusiasm falls off once players finally get them and realize that they are too narrow in scope to actually be particularly useful.
Keranos is the first God that has an ability that seems potent in older formats. Dat 5 casting cost, though... I can see him keeping a $6 - $10 price tag as people continue to try to make him work. The ability is free of creatures and combat oriented stuff (finally) and it really is quite good in formats that are not called standard.
Dakra Mystic foil is actually where the action should be at right now. That's a card that will probably find a home in Legacy or Vintage given a long enough time frame.
Godsend @$15 on SCG currently with 17 copies available at that price.
Dakra mystic is quite an intriguing card. Incredibly unique effect. As for vintage/legacy useage? Again, quite unsure. Could be powerful.
Keranos at 4 mana would be absurd. At 5 though I'm quite unsure. One thing's for sure, don't buy at $20 though as preorders are typically overpriced and you really just look for the underpriced cards. The new enchantress could be good in standard potentially as it triggers off of courser of kruphix and other enchantments you play although I'm not sure if it will be good enough. Could easily end up bulk.
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The new enchantress could be good in standard potentially as it triggers off of courser of kruphix and other enchantments you play although I'm not sure if it will be good enough. Could easily end up bulk.
I don't think that Eidolon of Blossoms will be bulk, since it has applications in EDH and casual, but at 4 mana it really needs to do a lot to justify the slot, and as a green 2/2? I dunno, I think it'd need to draw me 3 cards before I put it in a deck.
Keranos at 4 mana would be absurd. At 5 though I'm quite unsure. One thing's for sure, don't buy at $20 though as preorders are typically overpriced and you really just look for the underpriced cards.
This. So much this. The prices will fall.
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Yeah true the enchantress will likely not be bulk and could be solid very long term like oracle of mul daya.
One interaction I just heard about is mana bloom + constellation. Something to think about if any powerful constellation cards are printed that could be (ab)used with it as it's basically a single green mana a turn for a triggered ability and it conveniently helps colorfix early too.
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Keranos is awful. Every single time God has been good it has been in relatively aggressive shell. Keranos is opposite of that, it has 2 abilities that just doesn't mash up well. You'll never turn on the devotion in UR. Iroas at least fits in aggressive decks, although even in those I have hard time seeing him do well.
Yup he'll never be on because the best devotion creatures out right now aren't blue and red...Boros ReckonerNightveil SpecterFrostburn Weird
But I do agree he's garbage. RW god maybe. I still think the Theros gods monocolored gods were the most powerful and look at where they are price wise. This block needs next block to make it shine, or maybe the next block will outshine all of these cards like Ravnica.
One interaction I just heard about is mana bloom + constellation. Something to think about if any powerful constellation cards are printed that could be (ab)used with it as it's basically a single green mana a turn for a triggered ability and it conveniently helps colorfix early too.
How is this even a thing? It gives you a single Constellation trigger each turn. The strongest ability so far is drawing a card, and that means you've made a two-card combo that is worse than Archivist. I don't see it.
Now, with Thaumatog / Auratog and Rancor, we're talking, but we're also playing BadStuff.dec in Legacy.
I said it was an interaction. Did I say it was broken? Not even. Imagine having multiple creatures with constellation in play, mana bloom looks quite powerful then. But it's a wait and see type of thing.
New ajani looks like it could be quite good. +1 to find another walker in the top 4 could be absurd or creatures as well. The ultimate is obviously not that great but eh PW's aren't judged based on ultimates anyways. The closest comparison is elspeth, knight-errant as he has 2 +1 loyalty abilities and the first is similar to elspeth's jump ability in that it pumps and the second is similar in that it produces another threat.
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Seems like somebody knew Ajani, Mentor of Heroes would be GW and leaked that info. Seems the only way it would've been such a widespread rumor to come true.
Looks quite powerful. $30 to start off with a spike to $40 before anybody even figures out if he's any good.
Godsend is a joke at $15. Just don't see how you're supposed to use it. Losing 3 mana every time your creature gets removed is a tempo death march.
Sage of Hours is a straight up $2 mythic. Can see the combo with Bioshift would be fun but really don't see a deck being able to devote other cards to getting those counters on him.
The new ajani is a trap. I can only see 2 decks using in standard (GW hex proof, and Bant). Those decks aren't THAT strong. Gaining 100 life is not game winning when UW uses elixir of Immortality to mill/draw you out. EDH/commander folks will want Ajani for his OK abilities. $15 mythic real soon, but stores might keep him high to recoup box costs. Months from now Ajani might hit $10 or less cause he just does not fill a role of the plains walker I need from GW. Core cycle Ajani is more useful at FINISHING the game, not lasting forever.
The new ajani is a trap. I can only see 2 decks using in standard (GW hex proof, and Bant). Those decks aren't THAT strong. Gaining 100 life is not game winning when UW uses elixir of Immortality to mill/draw you out. EDH/commander folks will want Ajani for his OK abilities. $15 mythic real soon, but stores might keep him high to recoup box costs. Months from now Ajani might hit $10 or less cause he just does not fill a role of the plains walker I need from GW. Core cycle Ajani is more useful at FINISHING the game, not lasting forever.
I see GW Ajani like M14 Chandra. Chandra is killer in almost red deck because red normally doesn't get card advantage. New Ajani gives you recurring card advantage and it can put you over the top for midrange mirrors. However, it costs 5 and besides it's second +1, none of the abilities are that impressive. It'll see play, but it'll be sub $20 by Summer.
Also, forget about current archetypes. This standard is almost over. You should evaluate cards based on this block and it's level of power. When Ravnica rotates, so does UW Control. How can you play control without a 4 mana sweeper. The black sweeper is terrible because people do actually play enchantment creature cards. What thrives when control is weak? Mid-range.
I feel like a lot of people are going to be trying to break the sage in standard, but I don't think it will ever be more competitive than something like epic experiment was (which is not very). It's the other formats you have to worry about, but I don't think it's going to turn Bounty of the Hunt into the next Force of Will.
-EDIT- It may be a good idea to pick up oath of the ancient wood though, if you really want to break this in standard. Who doesn't love janky nonbos?
I am grabbing that sage on the cheap, it may never get there in standard but someone will break it. If not in a competitive format than edh for sure.
If you got them for less than $5 I think you will be okay. But, even in EDH it really requires 3 cards to be playable. The problem is that in order to be decent you need to have a tightly tuned deck. That's a problem because people who want to and can build the deck to support it already know that there are cheaper and easier to play cards that are actually good on their own. So, the people that this appeals to aren't going to be able to make it work and those that will it doesn't appeal to.
The new ajani is a trap. I can only see 2 decks using in standard (GW hex proof, and Bant). Those decks aren't THAT strong. Gaining 100 life is not game winning when UW uses elixir of Immortality to mill/draw you out. EDH/commander folks will want Ajani for his OK abilities. $15 mythic real soon, but stores might keep him high to recoup box costs. Months from now Ajani might hit $10 or less cause he just does not fill a role of the plains walker I need from GW. Core cycle Ajani is more useful at FINISHING the game, not lasting forever.
I see GW Ajani like M14 Chandra. Chandra is killer in almost red deck because red normally doesn't get card advantage. New Ajani gives you recurring card advantage and it can put you over the top for midrange mirrors. However, it costs 5 and besides it's second +1, none of the abilities are that impressive. It'll see play, but it'll be sub $20 by Summer.
Also, forget about current archetypes. This standard is almost over. You should evaluate cards based on this block and it's level of power. When Ravnica rotates, so does UW Control. How can you play control without a 4 mana sweeper. The black sweeper is terrible because people do actually play enchantment creature cards. What thrives when control is weak? Mid-range.
Points are good, but GW looses many cards as well in rotation. Voice of Resurgence, Unflinching Courage, Temple Garden, Selsnya Charm, Advent of the Worm, and a few others. RG midrange looks better. GW Ajani just looks like "Gets Worse" Ajani to me. Comparing Chandra is just not viable here. Packing an Ajani and selling it is the better play. Follows the Brimaz theory to me.
I never disagreed on price. I do think this card will have it's place because G/W traditionally does not have recurring card advantage engines. Naya walkers? Maybe.
The new ajani is a trap. I can only see 2 decks using in standard (GW hex proof, and Bant). Those decks aren't THAT strong. Gaining 100 life is not game winning when UW uses elixir of Immortality to mill/draw you out. EDH/commander folks will want Ajani for his OK abilities. $15 mythic real soon, but stores might keep him high to recoup box costs. Months from now Ajani might hit $10 or less cause he just does not fill a role of the plains walker I need from GW. Core cycle Ajani is more useful at FINISHING the game, not lasting forever.
I see GW Ajani like M14 Chandra. Chandra is killer in almost red deck because red normally doesn't get card advantage. New Ajani gives you recurring card advantage and it can put you over the top for midrange mirrors. However, it costs 5 and besides it's second +1, none of the abilities are that impressive. It'll see play, but it'll be sub $20 by Summer.
Also, forget about current archetypes. This standard is almost over. You should evaluate cards based on this block and it's level of power. When Ravnica rotates, so does UW Control. How can you play control without a 4 mana sweeper. The black sweeper is terrible because people do actually play enchantment creature cards. What thrives when control is weak? Mid-range.
Points are good, but GW looses many cards as well in rotation. Voice of Resurgence, Unflinching Courage, Temple Garden, Selsnya Charm, Advent of the Worm, and a few others. RG midrange looks better. GW Ajani just looks like "Gets Worse" Ajani to me. Comparing Chandra is just not viable here. Packing an Ajani and selling it is the better play. Follows the Brimaz theory to me.
If Naya walkers becomes a thing; I will run outside and look for flying pigs. To many Heroes Downfalls to be viable. Maybe Bant walkers? Kiora+Elspeth+Ajani+Jace? Ajani is still he weakest link in that set up.
Eidolon of Blossoms - $3
Possibly a bit low, seems like a good card advantage engine which could enable some sort of powerful green aura strategy.
Keranos - $20
Fair enough, he does look powerful with card draw and direct damage.
Iroas - $20
No way. Not good enough with his creature combat matters ability. $6-$10.
Godsend - no price yet
Looks like a $2 mythic to me but it certainly has potential to be powerful.
Hall of Triumph - $2
Looks like it could be a good card. I have been waiting for something to make Brimaz, King of Oreskos a little better and this might be it. Could be worth $5.
It was $25 when I first looked this morning. He's been going quick on eBay at $15.
He started at $10 and sold out super quickly. He's going to $15+ on eBay.
Bidding for this on eBay seems just as active as on Iroas yesterday. I'd guess the first few auctions end at between $15 and $20 per copy. Will open on SCG for at least $20.
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I don't see Godsend being a great card, but I really love the art.
Hall of Triumph seems best in a white weenie deck, that already has access to a ton of anthem effects. Maybe Blue Devotion will pick it up for the Elemental tokens? Not sure, but probably not.
Dakra Mystic foil is actually where the action should be at right now. That's a card that will probably find a home in Legacy or Vintage given a long enough time frame.
Dakra mystic is quite an intriguing card. Incredibly unique effect. As for vintage/legacy useage? Again, quite unsure. Could be powerful.
Keranos at 4 mana would be absurd. At 5 though I'm quite unsure. One thing's for sure, don't buy at $20 though as preorders are typically overpriced and you really just look for the underpriced cards. The new enchantress could be good in standard potentially as it triggers off of courser of kruphix and other enchantments you play although I'm not sure if it will be good enough. Could easily end up bulk.
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I don't think that Eidolon of Blossoms will be bulk, since it has applications in EDH and casual, but at 4 mana it really needs to do a lot to justify the slot, and as a green 2/2? I dunno, I think it'd need to draw me 3 cards before I put it in a deck.
This. So much this. The prices will fall.
One interaction I just heard about is mana bloom + constellation. Something to think about if any powerful constellation cards are printed that could be (ab)used with it as it's basically a single green mana a turn for a triggered ability and it conveniently helps colorfix early too.
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Yup he'll never be on because the best devotion creatures out right now aren't blue and red...Boros Reckoner Nightveil Specter Frostburn Weird
But I do agree he's garbage. RW god maybe. I still think the Theros gods monocolored gods were the most powerful and look at where they are price wise. This block needs next block to make it shine, or maybe the next block will outshine all of these cards like Ravnica.
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All gone now. I was wrong about opening at $20, but I'd still bet it will be there tomorrow.
How is this even a thing? It gives you a single Constellation trigger each turn. The strongest ability so far is drawing a card, and that means you've made a two-card combo that is worse than Archivist. I don't see it.
Now, with Thaumatog / Auratog and Rancor, we're talking, but we're also playing BadStuff.dec in Legacy.
New ajani looks like it could be quite good. +1 to find another walker in the top 4 could be absurd or creatures as well. The ultimate is obviously not that great but eh PW's aren't judged based on ultimates anyways. The closest comparison is elspeth, knight-errant as he has 2 +1 loyalty abilities and the first is similar to elspeth's jump ability in that it pumps and the second is similar in that it produces another threat.
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Guy who has been predicting gw ajani since September must be losing it right now. Lol
Looks quite powerful. $30 to start off with a spike to $40 before anybody even figures out if he's any good.
Godsend is a joke at $15. Just don't see how you're supposed to use it. Losing 3 mana every time your creature gets removed is a tempo death march.
Sage of Hours is a straight up $2 mythic. Can see the combo with Bioshift would be fun but really don't see a deck being able to devote other cards to getting those counters on him.
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I see GW Ajani like M14 Chandra. Chandra is killer in almost red deck because red normally doesn't get card advantage. New Ajani gives you recurring card advantage and it can put you over the top for midrange mirrors. However, it costs 5 and besides it's second +1, none of the abilities are that impressive. It'll see play, but it'll be sub $20 by Summer.
Also, forget about current archetypes. This standard is almost over. You should evaluate cards based on this block and it's level of power. When Ravnica rotates, so does UW Control. How can you play control without a 4 mana sweeper. The black sweeper is terrible because people do actually play enchantment creature cards. What thrives when control is weak? Mid-range.
-EDIT- It may be a good idea to pick up oath of the ancient wood though, if you really want to break this in standard. Who doesn't love janky nonbos?
If you got them for less than $5 I think you will be okay. But, even in EDH it really requires 3 cards to be playable. The problem is that in order to be decent you need to have a tightly tuned deck. That's a problem because people who want to and can build the deck to support it already know that there are cheaper and easier to play cards that are actually good on their own. So, the people that this appeals to aren't going to be able to make it work and those that will it doesn't appeal to.
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Points are good, but GW looses many cards as well in rotation. Voice of Resurgence, Unflinching Courage, Temple Garden, Selsnya Charm, Advent of the Worm, and a few others. RG midrange looks better. GW Ajani just looks like "Gets Worse" Ajani to me. Comparing Chandra is just not viable here. Packing an Ajani and selling it is the better play. Follows the Brimaz theory to me.
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