What do you guys think will happen to the price of 14 Mutavaults? Will they rise post-rotation?
I doubt so as they don't see a lot of play outside of merfolk decks, and the supply of mutavaults has increased drastically.
Also, what was the price of mutavault before the reprint?
Mutavault sees play Legacy, Modern, and Commander. It comes from two sets that were not all that well-drafted: Morningtide and M14. There's less M14 out there, as Theros came out a few months later and most people prefer to draft that. M14 also had to compete with Modern Masters for people's MTG dollars during the summer of 2013. Because of these factors, the supply isn't as high as a rare such as Thoughtseize. I can see a price at the $30 level being sustainable for Mutavault.
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Once they rotate out I expect them to go back down to the $20-ish range for a while. They may spike up again, but I do not think the current price tag is sustainable post rotation. Yes overall a lot of decks can use the card, but Standard is the only place where almost every deck needs it.
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What do you guys think will happen to the price of 14 Mutavaults? Will they rise post-rotation?
I doubt so as they don't see a lot of play outside of merfolk decks, and the supply of mutavaults has increased drastically.
Also, what was the price of mutavault before the reprint?
They will drop. There is no way they stay at $30 post rotation. They are used in a couple decks in Standard, so I expect some to come back to the market for sure.
Looking around, it looks like the price was in the $30 range ore reprint, but I can't really remember.
Now, why would you think that Morningtide Vaults are more rare than M14 Vaults? Morningtide had many times fewer players playing and also wasn't drafted for the longest time, since it was a 2 Large-2 Small set. M14 wasn't opened as much as other product has been, but it didn't drag Magic back to 2007. It was still opened up for 3 months and drafted at 3X packs.
$20 still,seems really high. Snapcaster Mage, a rare 'everyone' knew was going to rise in the future, since it is actually played in all eternal formats, still dropped below $20 at rotation. Yes, this doesn't guarantee that Mutavault drops, but shows a little bit of precedence of a rare that is played in both Legacy and Modern since standard introduction and what will happen at rotation.
Maybe it will stay high, but I would sell all that I'm not planning on playing with in Standard now and plan on picking back up in the future.
It will drop, but it could recover over the course of the following year as long as Magic keeps growing. The big question is whether or not they'd reprint it AGAIN in Magic 2015 and/or Modern Masters 2... if they do, the price will keep falling.
I really hope they can give us a few standard rotation without those pesky man lands. They make it so that your decks are always strictly worst for not having them. Which does not make me feel good about standard. At least in modern you have a bigger selection of man lands so you can still work on a budget.
I suspect with fearies not really big that big of a deal in modern and the decline of merfolk as a top tier strategy they may tank a certain amount on rotation.
I really hope they can give us a few standard rotation without those pesky man lands. They make it so that your decks are always strictly worst for not having them. Which does not make me feel good about standard. At least in modern you have a bigger selection of man lands so you can still work on a budget.
I suspect with fearies not really big that big of a deal in modern and the decline of merfolk as a top tier strategy they may tank a certain amount on rotation.
If they put Mutavault in M15 the price will drop period, the extra supply will help send the price downwards without question. We also lacked for man-lands in standard since Zendikar block was standard legal barring Inkmoth Nexus. By my recollection though Inkmoth was nowhere near as prevalent as Mutavault has become as far as decks go.
I also want to point out that many decks do not run Mutavault, the more colors you play the less the card becomes viable. Even still 2 color decks like G/B Dredge run 0 mutavaults despite only being two colors.
For predicting the price - see every core set rare since M10 when standard starting rotating every year. It's a land that goes in many decks which is good long term, but only after the post-rotation pain. This could easily see $10-15 range after rotation, plus you have the risk of a reprint which in a heartbeat will slash the value below $10. I'd highly recommend selling those you aren't using and picking more up in Oct/Nov when everyone else is doing the same.
If it drops from Standard, demand will fall drastically, therefore so will the price.
If it gets reprinted back into Standard, it'll lose a little value (due to new copies coming onto the market). If it gets reprinted in a boxed type set, it'll lose a LOT of value (new copies coming onto the market PLUS it not being Standard legal anymore).
In pretty much any scenario, it'll fall. Mutavault is a screaming "sell" for me.
I really hope they can give us a few standard rotation without those pesky man lands. They make it so that your decks are always strictly worst for not having them. Which does not make me feel good about standard. At least in modern you have a bigger selection of man lands so you can still work on a budget.
I suspect with fearies not really big that big of a deal in modern and the decline of merfolk as a top tier strategy they may tank a certain amount on rotation.
If they put Mutavault in M15 the price will drop period, the extra supply will help send the price downwards without question. We also lacked for man-lands in standard since Zendikar block was standard legal barring Inkmoth Nexus. By my recollection though Inkmoth was nowhere near as prevalent as Mutavault has become as far as decks go.
I also want to point out that many decks do not run Mutavault, the more colors you play the less the card becomes viable. Even still 2 color decks like G/B Dredge run 0 mutavaults despite only being two colors.
dredge is a bad example since it runs like 18 lands, every deck that is 1-2 colors in standard right now seems to use 4 mutavaults besides that one deck. Mutavault value is definitely powered by standard atm as its only a fringe legacy and modern card though there is casual tribal demand for it. I suspect it would go south of 20 coming rotation.
Mutavault was around $30 before the reprint, $15 when M14 released. I'd be surprised it stays above $15, apart from Merfolk in Legacy/Modern (where it's unfortunately tier 2 in both formats) it sees very little play.
Mutavault was around $30 before the reprint, $15 when M14 released. I'd be surprised it stays above $15, apart from Merfolk in Legacy/Modern (where it's unfortunately tier 2 in both formats) it sees very little play.
Faeries and to great extent. It still pops up in top decks occasionally.
I doubt so as they don't see a lot of play outside of merfolk decks, and the supply of mutavaults has increased drastically.
Also, what was the price of mutavault before the reprint?
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They will drop. There is no way they stay at $30 post rotation. They are used in a couple decks in Standard, so I expect some to come back to the market for sure.
Looking around, it looks like the price was in the $30 range ore reprint, but I can't really remember.
Now, why would you think that Morningtide Vaults are more rare than M14 Vaults? Morningtide had many times fewer players playing and also wasn't drafted for the longest time, since it was a 2 Large-2 Small set. M14 wasn't opened as much as other product has been, but it didn't drag Magic back to 2007. It was still opened up for 3 months and drafted at 3X packs.
$20 still,seems really high. Snapcaster Mage, a rare 'everyone' knew was going to rise in the future, since it is actually played in all eternal formats, still dropped below $20 at rotation. Yes, this doesn't guarantee that Mutavault drops, but shows a little bit of precedence of a rare that is played in both Legacy and Modern since standard introduction and what will happen at rotation.
Maybe it will stay high, but I would sell all that I'm not planning on playing with in Standard now and plan on picking back up in the future.
I suspect with fearies not really big that big of a deal in modern and the decline of merfolk as a top tier strategy they may tank a certain amount on rotation.
If they put Mutavault in M15 the price will drop period, the extra supply will help send the price downwards without question. We also lacked for man-lands in standard since Zendikar block was standard legal barring Inkmoth Nexus. By my recollection though Inkmoth was nowhere near as prevalent as Mutavault has become as far as decks go.
I also want to point out that many decks do not run Mutavault, the more colors you play the less the card becomes viable. Even still 2 color decks like G/B Dredge run 0 mutavaults despite only being two colors.
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If it gets reprinted back into Standard, it'll lose a little value (due to new copies coming onto the market). If it gets reprinted in a boxed type set, it'll lose a LOT of value (new copies coming onto the market PLUS it not being Standard legal anymore).
In pretty much any scenario, it'll fall. Mutavault is a screaming "sell" for me.
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dredge is a bad example since it runs like 18 lands, every deck that is 1-2 colors in standard right now seems to use 4 mutavaults besides that one deck. Mutavault value is definitely powered by standard atm as its only a fringe legacy and modern card though there is casual tribal demand for it. I suspect it would go south of 20 coming rotation.
Faeries and to great extent. It still pops up in top decks occasionally.
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