JTMS seems to be dropping. I doubt this is because of Spirit of the Labyrinth. Perhaps it's leveling out after the latest spike? I'm not sure. It's at 102.65 TCG mid right now, down from ~104 last week and ~150 when it spiked months ago. Anyone have any explanations? Just not worth the money?
Increased supply due to FTV, and has been on the downswing in Legacy for a long while now - the midrange decks that want it aren't showing up nearly as much anymore.
It's close to it's low and the meta has shifted away from JTMS being an auto 4 of in blue decks now. It has nothing to do with SotL. Increased supply (even if everyone hates the FTV foil) The card will rebound, it's still the most powerful walker in Legacy and likely the only one to ever have 4 abilities.
If you want them, now is probably a decent time to pick them up if you get a good price/trade
FTV is your answer. Never underestimate the power of a "extremely limited print run" claimed by Wizards. Until the initial retail supply of FTV sets has been exhausted, it will continue to fall. Complete sets of FTV 20 are still falling, now down to the $120s, even as low as $100/set in bulk on eBay.
Original foils, and especially foreign language like Japanese however are holding their value okay, after hitting a ~$200 drop after the announcement. I really wish they had chosen new art for the FTV 20. The original was iconic, but we're talking about a card that won't be reprinted now for a very, very long time due to lack of legality in corporate-pushed tournament formats. Some new art would have protected values better.
Foil WWK jace never hit $1,000 for english copies at least. Hit $800 on SCG and other big name stores for a time.
If they had changed JTMS's art for the FTV I bet the original would have retained a lot more value with ease. The art for JTMS is iconic and still the best art put on a planeswalker to date other than perhaps the number 2 walker (liliana of the veil.)
Foil russian jace and such are still worth the big bucks though. German foil is around a grand I think although I'm less sure on that.
As for where JTMS is headed price wise, only up as long as MTG continues to thrive and there are no more reprints of him (skeptical of that due to the very real potential for jtms to appear in a modern masters set after he gets unbanned in all likelihood at one point.)
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I guess the question you need to be asking is "Is the long term value of any non-restricted list card safe?"
No, it's not. Mythics are about as safe as you can get, and banned mythics safer, but where there is secondary market value in a non-reserved high-demand tournament staple, Wizards will find a way to meet that demand with retail product. I think it'll be a few more years at a minimum, which makes FTV 20 attractive at ~$120, but the concern is just how much product is out there. It certainly far exceeds the original foil printing and some argue even the non-foil printing - which essentially means there is at least 1 FTV 20 set for every 3 booster boxes of WWK sold (counting MTGO redemptions).
My guess is it will stabilize in the high 70s, and climb back up to low or mid $100s as supply dries up. Rinse wash repeat until he's permanently under $80.
As for where JTMS is headed price wise, only up as long as MTG continues to thrive and there are no more reprints of him (skeptical of that due to the very real potential for jtms to appear in a modern masters set after he gets unbanned in all likelihood at one point.)
To be fair, I think its fair to say if JTMS was reprinted in MM his price wouldn't drop lower than what it is now, because that would mean he's modern legal and there would be a whole other format buying into him.
As for where JTMS is headed price wise, only up as long as MTG continues to thrive and there are no more reprints of him (skeptical of that due to the very real potential for jtms to appear in a modern masters set after he gets unbanned in all likelihood at one point.)
To be fair, I think its fair to say if JTMS was reprinted in MM his price wouldn't drop lower than what it is now, because that would mean he's modern legal and there would be a whole other format buying into him.
Agreed. Unbanning would create a demand like you have not seen!
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If you want them, now is probably a decent time to pick them up if you get a good price/trade
Original foils, and especially foreign language like Japanese however are holding their value okay, after hitting a ~$200 drop after the announcement. I really wish they had chosen new art for the FTV 20. The original was iconic, but we're talking about a card that won't be reprinted now for a very, very long time due to lack of legality in corporate-pushed tournament formats. Some new art would have protected values better.
One day he'll be $1000 if they stop printing him.
I guess the question you need to be asking is "Is the long term value of any non-restricted list card safe?"
Foil WWK Jace was $1k at one point, then it dropped because of the FTV printing.
If they had changed JTMS's art for the FTV I bet the original would have retained a lot more value with ease. The art for JTMS is iconic and still the best art put on a planeswalker to date other than perhaps the number 2 walker (liliana of the veil.)
Foil russian jace and such are still worth the big bucks though. German foil is around a grand I think although I'm less sure on that.
As for where JTMS is headed price wise, only up as long as MTG continues to thrive and there are no more reprints of him (skeptical of that due to the very real potential for jtms to appear in a modern masters set after he gets unbanned in all likelihood at one point.)
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According to http://www.mtgprice.com/sets/Worldwake_(Foil)/Jace,_the_Mind_Sculptor it reached $1300 on CCGHouse, $1200 on ABU Games, and $1000 on CFB and eBay.
And sold several copies at that price. It was a brief spike but any foil mythic in RotE and back being hoarded has the potential to do this.
No, it's not. Mythics are about as safe as you can get, and banned mythics safer, but where there is secondary market value in a non-reserved high-demand tournament staple, Wizards will find a way to meet that demand with retail product. I think it'll be a few more years at a minimum, which makes FTV 20 attractive at ~$120, but the concern is just how much product is out there. It certainly far exceeds the original foil printing and some argue even the non-foil printing - which essentially means there is at least 1 FTV 20 set for every 3 booster boxes of WWK sold (counting MTGO redemptions).
My guess is it will stabilize in the high 70s, and climb back up to low or mid $100s as supply dries up. Rinse wash repeat until he's permanently under $80.
To be fair, I think its fair to say if JTMS was reprinted in MM his price wouldn't drop lower than what it is now, because that would mean he's modern legal and there would be a whole other format buying into him.
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Agreed. Unbanning would create a demand like you have not seen!