I take store buy-list prices and add maybe 10-20% and sometimes that is more than TCG Low. I'm sorry but if I'm only getting the buy-list prices of popular stores then I'm selling my cards to them over you, they're more trustworthy in that regard. I always invite price negotiation or even trades but people are only satisfied if they can get less than the buy-list price from some stores.
There is no need to give our stuff away anymore. We have tons of buyers here but even more on dozens of other websites (eBay, Craigslist, Kijiji, MOTL, etc, etc).
Buyers still think they should only pay 50% of the value. That time is no more.
Stores sell high .. people here sell a bit lower but why would we give our stuff away??
I have stopped selling here (not that I am a huge seller by any means) because people feel that somehow they are entitled to my cards at an absurdly low price. I got tired of trying to negotiate to a fair price for both parties and simply decided to stop.
Maybe, OP, there is something of a market correction due to negotiations. If I were to sell here, I would list my cards for slightly higher than I want to get for them, assuming that I will need to drop my price to give the buyer a perceived value from purchasing from me.
I've gotten some good deals on here within the past 6 months, but you have to be really quick, and try not to offend people with a counter offer, or try to bundle a bunch of cards to get a discount. It only really happens though when people are quitting the game, or trying to get rid of cards fast. For example I've gotten 2 mox for $400, and 2 underground sea and 2 polluted delta for $250 (before their price spike). Mostly though, it's just long lists of cards that I can't be bothered to look through - I usually just look at the land section to gauge where they're at with they're prices. I'm not going to pay more than ebay when there's no buy/seller protection here, so there's pretty much no incentive to me to purchase random standard cards here (which I don't).
That being said, if I'm selling, I'm going to price it slightly less than TCGplayer because I know that people will click the link to your card to see what it's going at, so it only makes sense to sell it cheaper, but I know people will try to haggle you down anyways. I don't mind that, but if you're just trying to save 50 cents, don't bother. I'm not a store, you're not a store, so why nickel and dime people?
To be honest, if the forum would just stop allowing gift payments, I would feel better about it. Build it into the price you are offering. You can look at the Bad Trader thread to see that not everyone on here is honest, and sending as a "gift" is both against Paypal rules, and offers no protection for the buyer.
Prices are what they are, but having to negotiate and wait for people to send PMs to save 5% off of TCG player isn't worth it to me. I applaud anyone who can get full value for their cards, but I'd rather just buy stuff from TCGPlayer and not have to worry about people asking me to pay using the gift option, or nickle and diming me for shipping etc.
At this point, selling here seems to be more profitable than selling on TCG, and I don't understand why people wouldn't use the less risky and more convenient service. Before it was prices, now....?
To be honest, if the forum would just stop allowing gift payments, I would feel better about it.
Okay. So, we put that in the rules and then what? People use Gift Payment anyway since that all happens over PM. We need rules we can enforce and we have no way to enforce that.
It was the rule and a few years ago we decided that we were not here to enforce Paypal's TOS... that's Paypal's job. People just snuck around. If we had a way of actually monitoring that it would be a different story I think, but we don't. Personally, I won't support having a rule the moderators and I can't enforce.
As a person who sells on these forums quite a bit, I think people are overreacting. Ever since I started transacting on these forums (a little over a year ago), there have always been people with WTB pages with lowball prices and people with WTS threads with way too high of prices. That's the problem with a free way to put up threads -- people lose nothing, and maybe just maybe they'll catch someone desperate and make a few extra bucks. At least we don't have a certain someone bumping an overpriced large-lot sale for 150 straight nights anymore.
In any case, there are many sellers and buyers here paying fair prices, you just have to look and over time you learn who has fair prices and who doesn't. Like someone mentioned above, I usually look at someone's land prices, and if they are off, I don't bother looking at the rest of the thread. I'm not going to sell my cards at the buylist price of websites, and I'm not going to buy cards at higher-than-Ebay prices, but there are a lot of sellers in between.
As an aside too, my actual shipping cost is around $1.90 with bubble and DC using the paypal multi-shipping tool. I refuse to pay $3.00 shipping, and I haven't had to. Remember that everything is negotiable.
there is the trend of new sellers that sell way too high... but there is the trend of buyers buying way too high also. A friend of mine sold fetchs, MM box and duals recently. Well he sold them to someone that was willing to pay full retail price (if not more). I'm under the impression that the MTG players are getting older and therefore, have more money to spend so they gonna spend it anyways. Since a year or 2 i have the felling that the finance of this game radically changed. MM boxes, FTV, Arsenal, spike in older formats, legacy that litteraly cost twice as much as 8-10 months ago. You know the "shutup take my money" attitude. From sealed product to secondary market, i feel like people don't care how much they spend in that game at the moment. Hasbro (WOTC), SCG, Channel Fireball and cie, thank you very much for that
If there is buyers, sellers will adjust their price. Higher than TGC? why not if people buy it anyways!
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Okay. So, we put that in the rules and then what? People use Gift Payment anyway since that all happens over PM. We need rules we can enforce and we have no way to enforce that.
It was the rule and a few years ago we decided that we were not here to enforce Paypal's TOS... that's Paypal's job. People just snuck around. If we had a way of actually monitoring that it would be a different story I think, but we don't. Personally, I won't support having a rule the moderators and I can't enforce.
This is not the precise topic of the thread but just to address this:
It doesn't matter if you can't enforce Paypal's TOS. It matters what the standard is in sales threads. If people want to backdoor through PMs around it, so be it. You can't police whether people curse in PMs either, but that doesn't imply you can't stop them from cursing in threads.
The Mods CAN and should enforce whether "gift or add 5%" is added to sales threads.
I know that the mods made the change that gift can't be the only form accepted, however, gift puts buyers at risk, and that is the default FORUM STANDARD. The mods could change that.
Using Paypal gift for sales is not what is intended, and makes MTGS a worse place for buying cards.
it takes some work to buy and sell. I sell here some, and on ebay some. I notice I generally get a bit higher prices on ebay- but I have to deal with ebay fees. If you want to open a post and automatically see everything at the price you are willing to pay, that probably wont happen.
If you don't mind searching a bit, and negotiating with people, you can find great deals here. Ive built all of my standard decks almost exclusively here, and I never felt like I overpaid.
If you need money NOW, here isn't the place, as people can afford to be picky. But if you don't mind working at it a bit, and negotiating, you can do just fine buying, or selling here
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I think the use of Paypal Gift or not does not make this place a good/bad place to sale cards.
I think the issue is people are just wanting too much for their cards, but you know what you do? Don't buy from them, that easy. If their cards are just sitting not making money, they will have to lower eventually or not get money.
I mean, what did you hope the outcome of this thread would be? Ban all of the buyers who want too much? Odds are they don't even look at this forum let alone this thread
People are free to post whatever prices they want. Some are delusional enough to think they can get dealer pricing going both ways. I haven't bought/sold anything on here in a few months, mostly due to some recurring issues with the post office and packages getting lost/damaged.
Before my break, It wasn't that different than it is now. There are a few good deals, and a lot of overpriced standard. the low that everyone is seeing however includes played condition, its not NM only. there are also a lot of 1 ofs listed at 75% of where everyone else is. This skews the numbers as well, not to mention if the low on tcgplayer is less than a buylist price, odds are I"m not going to sell at that price.
There fo seem to he quite a few threads that are higher and I have spent a lot less time on the Buy/Sell page due to that. Too often it seems like I open a page that is SCG without the selection and probably without the customer service. A couple years ago I was on here quite a bit buying and it felt like I was getting a deal compared to eBay.
This is not the precise topic of the thread but just to address this:
It doesn't matter if you can't enforce Paypal's TOS. It matters what the standard is in sales threads. If people want to backdoor through PMs around it, so be it. You can't police whether people curse in PMs either, but that doesn't imply you can't stop them from cursing in threads.
The Mods CAN and should enforce whether "gift or add 5%" is added to sales threads.
I know that the mods made the change that gift can't be the only form accepted, however, gift puts buyers at risk, and that is the default FORUM STANDARD. The mods could change that.
Using Paypal gift for sales is not what is intended, and makes MTGS a worse place for buying cards.
This added alot of extra work for mods at almost no gain when it was implemented which is why they abandoned it. The amount of complaints were just too high and it is way too hard to actually strictly enforce restrictions.
I still think I hit the problem on the head, too many people here expect buy list prices but wtf would I pay to send to a dozen people at about a high buylist value when I can sell the entire lot to one store and turn the same profit without the same costs of shipping?
Okay. So, we put that in the rules and then what? People use Gift Payment anyway since that all happens over PM. We need rules we can enforce and we have no way to enforce that.
It was the rule and a few years ago we decided that we were not here to enforce Paypal's TOS... that's Paypal's job. People just snuck around. If we had a way of actually monitoring that it would be a different story I think, but we don't. Personally, I won't support having a rule the moderators and I can't enforce.
You should check the CGC comics board. There are a lot of lawyer`s on that board and they made it a rule. While they know they can`t enforce it I think it was to make sure that there was no future liability.
Rule #9 List acceptable forms of payment (NOTE: Personal PayPal payment is NOT allowed as a listed option in your post as it is not appropriate for item purchases.)
For example. You, the admin of this site has seen this thread and it can be proven this site now knows, and is allowing, it`s members to defraud paypal.
Even if Ebay/Paypal is wrong, I think they just don`t want the potential hassle of a huge corporation burying them in legal paperwork.
We have already started a couple of discussions to figure out if we need to update this. Obviously we can only enforce what we can see, we can see a fair amount just by browsing threads (just ask anyone with a Market Street Spam infraction :kank:).
This is something I don't really understand. Why do you think this is a ridiculous amount?
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Now I have always charged $3 for shipping because that is the actual cost, but I am losing the money it costs to buy bubble mailers, toploaders, sleeves, tape, additional bubble wrap I put inside, etc. Now I know the cost on that is small, but I don't see $3.50 as being a wild cost at all. That is more likely closer to the actual cost it takes to mail cards using those supplies.
Are you complaining because I could mail the cards to you in a PWE at the cost of a stamp? Fair enough, if you like damaged and stolen cards every once in awhile. But don't complain if you actually want your cards to come in a bubble mailer with tracking, and I won't ship them any other way.
I'm not going to criticize your prices or practices, but I'm going to explain the cost issue from a buyer's perspective (or at least my perspective). When I look at TCGPlayer prices, I see a very high number of stores offering $0.99 shipping including the big ones like Cardhaus Games, Troll and Toad, Channel Fireball, Pack Fresh Games, and Ideal808. Others even offer shipping cheaper than $0.50! (HotsauceGames, Gaming Etc, and Pastimes, for example). Some have $1.99 shipping, and almost no one charges more than $2.49.
On top of that, these aren't some fly-by-night kitchen table dealers. The stores I mentioned all have multiple thousands of sales and very high ratings. I feel more than comfortable ordering from any of them knowing that I'll get my cards in the right condition or I will get a refund or replacement.
Like I mentioned before, none of those stores charge me the 3% or 4% PayPal "tax." The price that is listed is the price I pay.
In the end, even the sellers on here offering "TCG Player low" aren't really selling at TCG Player low prices if they tack on fees and higher shipping. When I see high shipping prices or PayPal fees in threads, I'm immediately turned off. Those additional costs are why I (and probably other buyers) need individual card costs to be lower on this site than TCG Player low.
(And from a seller's perspective, MTG Salvation offers an AMAZING market place. There is a huge community of players/buyers. The fact that you don't get charged 10% or more per sale due to fees is an awesome deal. Sellers on here can definitely make more than stores even by selling at lower prices.)
Like I said, that's just my opinion and I'm not trying to condemn your personal practices.
I'm glad someone finally mentioned this. I've noticed a lot of sellers using store prices, but the part that drives me crazy is when people ask for PayPal fees on top of their prices. That often makes buying on here a much worse deal than buying from a store. Plus, for some reason shipping costs seem much higher on here, too. Everyone seems to want $2.50 to $3.00, while many stores on TCGPlayer only charge $1 to $1.50.
If I am going to pay store prices, then I'm going to buy from a store. At least they always cover their own fees, usually offer better protection, and often charge less for shipping.
Indeed, I charge 1.99 for shipping on Ebay partly due to the extra stuff I use to ship. Just to point it out unless they are using an envelope and stamp shipping a few cards in a bubble envelope is just around $1.60 anywhere in the USA. So when you get it a dollar or less they are usually eating cost to send it to you.
If I sold on here I would probably consider a smaller fee, but just pointing out all my Ebay auctions start at 99 cents and run, so if people feel $1.99 shipping is too much once the card hits XYZ dollars that's fine. I also will combine shipping unless someone wins a crap ton of cards from me even then I would combine within reason.
For example. You, the admin of this site has seen this thread and it can be proven this site now knows, and is allowing, it`s members to defraud paypal.
I'm afraid I have to agree here. If I was ever screwed out of a buy using PayPal Gift and the internal system here didn't sort it out to my satisfaction, I would send PayPal here. It may not resolve anything, but it could possibly cause some big headaches that you don't want.
That said, I have tentatively paid for some transactions as gift and everything has gone fine. I usually pay the +3% as the prices I'm buying things at are good enough to pay the extra to give me the protection as a buyer in case something does go awry.
But back to the OP's topic: I had noticed many threads with prices severely out of whack, and not all from new sellers - many have 100+ ratings. But this evening I did find what I thought were some pretty good deals, so I'm going to assume that sellers come and go in waves, and that their prices will ebb and flow as well.
The stores I mentioned all have multiple thousands of sales and very high ratings. I feel more than comfortable ordering from any of them knowing that I'll get my cards in the right condition or I will get a refund or replacement.
I understand that way of thinking, but a lot a sellers here have only positive feedbacks and should be considered as safe and trustworthy as any well established online stores.
Considering that. I think that having prices 20-30% lower than online store retail prices should be considered good deals.
Personally, I am often looking for playsets of cards I want. Even if someone has 2 cards that are close to TCGplayer low, I know I will then have to pay another shipping cost somewhere else.
I have made a lot of purchases from this site and will continue to do so when possible. With the market being in flux lately, it seems the sellers are being cautious with prices and any good deals are snapped up in minutes.
Personally, I am often looking for playsets of cards I want. Even if someone has 2 cards that are close to TCGplayer low, I know I will then have to pay another shipping cost somewhere else.
I have made a lot of purchases from this site and will continue to do so when possible. With the market being in flux lately, it seems the sellers are being cautious with prices and any good deals are snapped up in minutes.
Yeah, I recently haven't done too many buys. It doesn't help that a few sellers that had amazing prices have done less and less sales.
I think your last paragraph is spot on. I sold 2 Judge Vendilion Cliques for $35 each a few months ago before the $40-60 spike. I had them for sale for about 4 months and they had not sold. I gave my 2 buyers a break on the price, lowering it to $35 since I already had a Lorwyn play set and had won those for a GPT Top 8. Still, it hurt selling those cards and immediately seeing a bump.
The same story happened to my Rishadan Ports. I sold 2 of them for $20-21 each and then the bump recently knocked them to $50.
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I've made a handful of buys here recently, but it's basically been a question of sifting through the normal crap and finding something worth getting. That's always been the case, though, and hasn't really improved any since I started coming here.
Is it me or are people listing their cards way too high. I've been noticing a trend lately. Prices on this forum have gone from best deal anywhere to ...close to online stores... to.... just now I spotted a new MM card listed at twice the cost as I found it for on TCGplayer.
Don't get me wrong, there are still a bunch of great sellers on this forum but, I've been finding myself more and more lately just going to online stores because its easier than trying to browse for the cards I'm looking for while wading thru the crap pricing. More than half the sellers on here are just crazy.
Honestly I do think that the mass amount of speculation and what not of late and the sheer number (pre-MMA) of cards that shot through the roof for modern or otherwise, that a lot of sellers are likely being significantly more cautious about listing their cards for too low, in case the prices end up shooting back up, or simply up more from what the current market value for the cards may be. All you can do is simply patiently sift through the available listings here to find the good ones that have what you are looking for at a reasonable and comparable price to the rest of the internet.
Honestly I do think that the mass amount of speculation and what not of late and the sheer number (pre-MMA) of cards that shot through the roof for modern or otherwise, that a lot of sellers are likely being significantly more cautious about listing their cards for too low, in case the prices end up shooting back up, or simply up more from what the current market value for the cards may be. All you can do is simply patiently sift through the available listings here to find the good ones that have what you are looking for at a reasonable and comparable price to the rest of the internet.
to be honest, speculation is what caused these prices we have in the MTG market today. I know I specifically bumped the prices of my tempest slivers up due to possible speculation.
Lots of sellers are following all the speculation boards now, and as soon as the buyers find out about the spec they go and jump the price as well.
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I have stopped selling here (not that I am a huge seller by any means) because people feel that somehow they are entitled to my cards at an absurdly low price. I got tired of trying to negotiate to a fair price for both parties and simply decided to stop.
Maybe, OP, there is something of a market correction due to negotiations. If I were to sell here, I would list my cards for slightly higher than I want to get for them, assuming that I will need to drop my price to give the buyer a perceived value from purchasing from me.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10498534#post10498534
That being said, if I'm selling, I'm going to price it slightly less than TCGplayer because I know that people will click the link to your card to see what it's going at, so it only makes sense to sell it cheaper, but I know people will try to haggle you down anyways. I don't mind that, but if you're just trying to save 50 cents, don't bother. I'm not a store, you're not a store, so why nickel and dime people?
Prices are what they are, but having to negotiate and wait for people to send PMs to save 5% off of TCG player isn't worth it to me. I applaud anyone who can get full value for their cards, but I'd rather just buy stuff from TCGPlayer and not have to worry about people asking me to pay using the gift option, or nickle and diming me for shipping etc.
At this point, selling here seems to be more profitable than selling on TCG, and I don't understand why people wouldn't use the less risky and more convenient service. Before it was prices, now....?
Just my $0.02
Okay. So, we put that in the rules and then what? People use Gift Payment anyway since that all happens over PM. We need rules we can enforce and we have no way to enforce that.
It was the rule and a few years ago we decided that we were not here to enforce Paypal's TOS... that's Paypal's job. People just snuck around. If we had a way of actually monitoring that it would be a different story I think, but we don't. Personally, I won't support having a rule the moderators and I can't enforce.
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In any case, there are many sellers and buyers here paying fair prices, you just have to look and over time you learn who has fair prices and who doesn't. Like someone mentioned above, I usually look at someone's land prices, and if they are off, I don't bother looking at the rest of the thread. I'm not going to sell my cards at the buylist price of websites, and I'm not going to buy cards at higher-than-Ebay prices, but there are a lot of sellers in between.
As an aside too, my actual shipping cost is around $1.90 with bubble and DC using the paypal multi-shipping tool. I refuse to pay $3.00 shipping, and I haven't had to. Remember that everything is negotiable.
If there is buyers, sellers will adjust their price. Higher than TGC? why not if people buy it anyways!
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This is not the precise topic of the thread but just to address this:
It doesn't matter if you can't enforce Paypal's TOS. It matters what the standard is in sales threads. If people want to backdoor through PMs around it, so be it. You can't police whether people curse in PMs either, but that doesn't imply you can't stop them from cursing in threads.
The Mods CAN and should enforce whether "gift or add 5%" is added to sales threads.
I know that the mods made the change that gift can't be the only form accepted, however, gift puts buyers at risk, and that is the default FORUM STANDARD. The mods could change that.
Using Paypal gift for sales is not what is intended, and makes MTGS a worse place for buying cards.
If you don't mind searching a bit, and negotiating with people, you can find great deals here. Ive built all of my standard decks almost exclusively here, and I never felt like I overpaid.
If you need money NOW, here isn't the place, as people can afford to be picky. But if you don't mind working at it a bit, and negotiating, you can do just fine buying, or selling here
I think the issue is people are just wanting too much for their cards, but you know what you do? Don't buy from them, that easy. If their cards are just sitting not making money, they will have to lower eventually or not get money.
I mean, what did you hope the outcome of this thread would be? Ban all of the buyers who want too much? Odds are they don't even look at this forum let alone this thread
Before my break, It wasn't that different than it is now. There are a few good deals, and a lot of overpriced standard. the low that everyone is seeing however includes played condition, its not NM only. there are also a lot of 1 ofs listed at 75% of where everyone else is. This skews the numbers as well, not to mention if the low on tcgplayer is less than a buylist price, odds are I"m not going to sell at that price.
This added alot of extra work for mods at almost no gain when it was implemented which is why they abandoned it. The amount of complaints were just too high and it is way too hard to actually strictly enforce restrictions.
I still think I hit the problem on the head, too many people here expect buy list prices but wtf would I pay to send to a dozen people at about a high buylist value when I can sell the entire lot to one store and turn the same profit without the same costs of shipping?
You should check the CGC comics board. There are a lot of lawyer`s on that board and they made it a rule. While they know they can`t enforce it I think it was to make sure that there was no future liability.
Rule #9 List acceptable forms of payment (NOTE: Personal PayPal payment is NOT allowed as a listed option in your post as it is not appropriate for item purchases.)
For example. You, the admin of this site has seen this thread and it can be proven this site now knows, and is allowing, it`s members to defraud paypal.
Even if Ebay/Paypal is wrong, I think they just don`t want the potential hassle of a huge corporation burying them in legal paperwork.
Link? PM me.
We have already started a couple of discussions to figure out if we need to update this. Obviously we can only enforce what we can see, we can see a fair amount just by browsing threads (just ask anyone with a Market Street Spam infraction :kank:).
I would love to get it fixed.
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I'm not going to criticize your prices or practices, but I'm going to explain the cost issue from a buyer's perspective (or at least my perspective). When I look at TCGPlayer prices, I see a very high number of stores offering $0.99 shipping including the big ones like Cardhaus Games, Troll and Toad, Channel Fireball, Pack Fresh Games, and Ideal808. Others even offer shipping cheaper than $0.50! (HotsauceGames, Gaming Etc, and Pastimes, for example). Some have $1.99 shipping, and almost no one charges more than $2.49.
On top of that, these aren't some fly-by-night kitchen table dealers. The stores I mentioned all have multiple thousands of sales and very high ratings. I feel more than comfortable ordering from any of them knowing that I'll get my cards in the right condition or I will get a refund or replacement.
Like I mentioned before, none of those stores charge me the 3% or 4% PayPal "tax." The price that is listed is the price I pay.
In the end, even the sellers on here offering "TCG Player low" aren't really selling at TCG Player low prices if they tack on fees and higher shipping. When I see high shipping prices or PayPal fees in threads, I'm immediately turned off. Those additional costs are why I (and probably other buyers) need individual card costs to be lower on this site than TCG Player low.
(And from a seller's perspective, MTG Salvation offers an AMAZING market place. There is a huge community of players/buyers. The fact that you don't get charged 10% or more per sale due to fees is an awesome deal. Sellers on here can definitely make more than stores even by selling at lower prices.)
Like I said, that's just my opinion and I'm not trying to condemn your personal practices.
Indeed, I charge 1.99 for shipping on Ebay partly due to the extra stuff I use to ship. Just to point it out unless they are using an envelope and stamp shipping a few cards in a bubble envelope is just around $1.60 anywhere in the USA. So when you get it a dollar or less they are usually eating cost to send it to you.
If I sold on here I would probably consider a smaller fee, but just pointing out all my Ebay auctions start at 99 cents and run, so if people feel $1.99 shipping is too much once the card hits XYZ dollars that's fine. I also will combine shipping unless someone wins a crap ton of cards from me even then I would combine within reason.
Feel free to bid on my cards here!
I'm afraid I have to agree here. If I was ever screwed out of a buy using PayPal Gift and the internal system here didn't sort it out to my satisfaction, I would send PayPal here. It may not resolve anything, but it could possibly cause some big headaches that you don't want.
That said, I have tentatively paid for some transactions as gift and everything has gone fine. I usually pay the +3% as the prices I'm buying things at are good enough to pay the extra to give me the protection as a buyer in case something does go awry.
But back to the OP's topic: I had noticed many threads with prices severely out of whack, and not all from new sellers - many have 100+ ratings. But this evening I did find what I thought were some pretty good deals, so I'm going to assume that sellers come and go in waves, and that their prices will ebb and flow as well.
I understand that way of thinking, but a lot a sellers here have only positive feedbacks and should be considered as safe and trustworthy as any well established online stores.
Considering that. I think that having prices 20-30% lower than online store retail prices should be considered good deals.
I have made a lot of purchases from this site and will continue to do so when possible. With the market being in flux lately, it seems the sellers are being cautious with prices and any good deals are snapped up in minutes.
Sales Thread!
Yeah, I recently haven't done too many buys. It doesn't help that a few sellers that had amazing prices have done less and less sales.
I think your last paragraph is spot on. I sold 2 Judge Vendilion Cliques for $35 each a few months ago before the $40-60 spike. I had them for sale for about 4 months and they had not sold. I gave my 2 buyers a break on the price, lowering it to $35 since I already had a Lorwyn play set and had won those for a GPT Top 8. Still, it hurt selling those cards and immediately seeing a bump.
The same story happened to my Rishadan Ports. I sold 2 of them for $20-21 each and then the bump recently knocked them to $50.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Speculation is a *****, isnt it?
Honestly I do think that the mass amount of speculation and what not of late and the sheer number (pre-MMA) of cards that shot through the roof for modern or otherwise, that a lot of sellers are likely being significantly more cautious about listing their cards for too low, in case the prices end up shooting back up, or simply up more from what the current market value for the cards may be. All you can do is simply patiently sift through the available listings here to find the good ones that have what you are looking for at a reasonable and comparable price to the rest of the internet.
to be honest, speculation is what caused these prices we have in the MTG market today. I know I specifically bumped the prices of my tempest slivers up due to possible speculation.
Lots of sellers are following all the speculation boards now, and as soon as the buyers find out about the spec they go and jump the price as well.