Traitors is on the reserve list though too, and we're probably never going to see Welder or Grid in an old border foil again.
That said, I'm leaning heavily towards if. Worst case I would imagine I can flip the Japanese cradle into an English one if it's an issue, and it then becomes would I trade these cards plus a little extra for an english cradle? Yeah I think so.
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Yes, City of Traitors is a powerful Reserve List card, and I'd be unhappy giving mine up, but Cradle is basically a blue dual at this point. I bet that most people here would easily give you an English Cradle for your Japanese Cradle.
I think that it's mostly "What do you need more", instead of a snap-pick on either side, but you specifically asked about how hard it'd be to trade away a Japanese Cradle, so I wanted to make sure that my answer was "Not hard at all"
I would take Pile A.
Let me echo KnickM's point here. Japanese Cradles are more valuable than English ones. No problems on trading it away. As to the value of the trade, you're essentially trading away a $200 reserve list card (in English, likely $220-$250 in Japanese) for a $120 reserve list card and $80 in non-reserve list cards. 2 years from now the price gap between the RL and non-RL cards will be greater. If it was me, I'd expect more in the way of non-RL cards because you are effectively trading down - $200 of RL for $120 of RL.
Interesting trade... On the one hand I really don't like trading for Contagion Engine right now because it's just skyrocketed in price from the Commander 2016 release. On the other hand, Nahiri, The Harbinger is a standard card that when it rotates out will lose 30% of its value next year.
Given that both are likely to recede in pricing, I'd go with whichever pile you plan to use.
Interesting trade... On the one hand I really don't like trading for Contagion Engine right now because it's just skyrocketed in price from the Commander 2016 release. On the other hand, Nahiri, The Harbinger is a standard card that when it rotates out will lose 30% of its value next year.
Given that both are likely to recede in pricing, I'd go with whichever pile you plan to use.
Is Nahiri seeing much standard play? I get the sense that a good chunk of her demand is driven by modern and legacy. I wouldn't expect her to take quite as much of a dive as the typical standard star if that's the case. My guess would be a trend closer to Abrupt Decay. That's obviously contingent on whether she's seeing standard play or even standard experimentation, because I don't follow that format.
Contagion Engine looks like a recent buyout, too. Very sharp price spike that immediately dropped to half around the same time a few other cards did the same thing. Either a huge number of people decided to build Atraxa superfriends at exactly the same time, or someone is trying some market manipulation. I wouldn't trade for that at all right now and I would happily trade them into something a little more stable if someone was offering.
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Interesting trade... On the one hand I really don't like trading for Contagion Engine right now because it's just skyrocketed in price from the Commander 2016 release. On the other hand, Nahiri, The Harbinger is a standard card that when it rotates out will lose 30% of its value next year.
Given that both are likely to recede in pricing, I'd go with whichever pile you plan to use.
Is Nahiri seeing much standard play? I get the sense that a good chunk of her demand is driven by modern and legacy. I wouldn't expect her to take quite as much of a dive as the typical standard star if that's the case. My guess would be a trend closer to Abrupt Decay. That's obviously contingent on whether she's seeing standard play or even standard experimentation, because I don't follow that format.
Contagion Engine looks like a recent buyout, too. Very sharp price spike that immediately dropped to half around the same time a few other cards did the same thing. Either a huge number of people decided to build Atraxa superfriends at exactly the same time, or someone is trying some market manipulation. I wouldn't trade for that at all right now and I would happily trade them into something a little more stable if someone was offering.
Sorry, I should clarify my statement that Nahiri is a standard legal card that can still be opened in packs. It isn't really a playable card in the format currently, but that could change with the release of the next set. It's certainly a more modern viable card than standard, but its still likely the price will take a steep decline on rotation next September (IE - it won't hold it's near $20 price tag)
I agree completely on the contagion engine front though. It's in the middle of a spike that you would be purchasing into and that's almost universally a bad idea.
Sorry, I should clarify my statement that Nahiri is a standard legal card that can still be opened in packs. It isn't really a playable card in the format currently, but that could change with the release of the next set. It's certainly a more modern viable card than standard, but its still likely the price will take a steep decline on rotation next September (IE - it won't hold it's near $20 price tag)
That's fair. Even with the expected rotation haircut, I would rather have Nahiri long term. Contagion Engine is on its way down right now and I'm fully expecting to see it in a commander (or other supplementary) release at some point. That kind of flashy casual engine card fits with the reprints we've seen so far and +1/+1 counters are a frequent theme in those decks. Nahiri has a lot more potential in tournament formats and those drive prices a lot harder than casual ones. I don't think she's at her lifetime low price by any means, but I suspect she sits in the $10-15 range for a while following rotation.
Obstinate Baloth isn't worth nothing, but it's still a sideboard card at best outside of some pretty unhealthy formats. It's also easy to reprint. I think the Nahiris are the clear winner, but I can understand going either way on it.
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Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Pile A: Sword of Feast and Famine (Modern Masters event deck)
Pile B: Consecrated Sphinx
TCG says it's $17.23 vs $16.97.
Pick whichever one you want. Both are equally at risk for reprints, and both are known quantities that are probably not going to explode anytime soon. I'd probably take the Sphinx, just on a hunch that it might not be on WOTC's radar to reprint because it's "unfun", but it could easily be in MM17 (EDH staples have shown up in the mythic slot before). So, just take whichever one you want.
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Value-wise, for now, it seems even. But who wins long term?
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I think that Saheeli does.
It's almost a given that Chandra will get a reprint next summer in an SDCC set, which puts a surprising number of copies into existence. And, frankly, she's been underperforming lately. She's not posting JTMS numbers, that's for sure. Saheeli is starting to break into Modern now that people realize that she's a combo enabler. My prediction is that Saheeli's price will stick better than Chandra's, until the inevitable reprints.
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Value-wise, for now, it seems even. But who wins long term?
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I think that Saheeli does.
It's almost a given that Chandra will get a reprint next summer in an SDCC set, which puts a surprising number of copies into existence. And, frankly, she's been underperforming lately. She's not posting JTMS numbers, that's for sure. Saheeli is starting to break into Modern now that people realize that she's a combo enabler. My prediction is that Saheeli's price will stick better than Chandra's, until the inevitable reprints.
Amazing, but I actually was thinking along the same lines as KnickM here. To add to this, 3 mana planeswalkers are the sweet spot for Modern and Legacy play. It may take a few years for people to come up with the right type of deck, but it certainly has the most potential.
Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
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Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
I agree with everything except for your long term view. In the long game, reserve list cards will outshine anything not on the RL. Duals are the easy answer here.... hands down.
Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
I agree with everything except for your long term view. In the long game, reserve list cards will outshine anything not on the RL. Duals are the easy answer here.... hands down.
I agree with Seal. Snaps could be better this time next year. He's almost a lock for MM17, and will probably be in MM19 as well, so long term he's definitely not the pick.
Here's a good argument for Pile A: You have a Modern deck that needs Snapcasters. Pile B is two of the less-popular Revised Duals. That's good for EDH, or for long-term spec, but those aren't really the duals that are required to tear up Legacy events. So, if you want to play competitive Modern and you want to run Snaps, take Pile A. Playability trumps most other concerns.
I'd still take Pile B. But you asked for arguments for Pile A, so I'm giving you one.
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Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
I agree with everything except for your long term view. In the long game, reserve list cards will outshine anything not on the RL. Duals are the easy answer here.... hands down.
Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
I agree with everything except for your long term view. In the long game, reserve list cards will outshine anything not on the RL. Duals are the easy answer here.... hands down.
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
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URB Grixis Delver URB
WUB Ad Nauseam WUB
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"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
These points should be brought up (and have been many times) in the reserve list thread. They don't belong in the trade evaluation thread.
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
These points should be brought up (and have been many times) in the reserve list thread. They don't belong in the trade evaluation thread.
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
These points should be brought up (and have been many times) in the reserve list thread. They don't belong in the trade evaluation thread.
The thing is that this piece of information actually pertains to the trade (I still think the duals are better but just making the argument
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WUB Ad Nauseam WUB
(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
These points should be brought up (and have been many times) in the reserve list thread. They don't belong in the trade evaluation thread.
The thing is that this piece of information actually pertains to the trade (I still think the duals are better but just making the argument
By that logic, any expensive card will eventually be counterfeited, and thus you shouldn't trade for expensive cards. It's an irrelevant comment on a trade where no counterfeits are suspected (and, for the record, non-mint cards are even harder to counterfeit). And as far as WOTC "doing something", they've said multiple times that they can't even talk about why they can't even talk about the reserve list. Speculating that they might change the list is on the same level of speculating that China* will conquer the world. Sure, it might happen eventually, but there's no use planning for it now, when there's a 0% chance of it happening in the near future. Plan for the things that are likely to happen in the near future.
Random global power. Could've been America, Russia, or United Europe.
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Bloodstained Mire KoT x2
Sunken Hollow
Canopy Vista
Wooded Foothills
Eldrazi displacer
Pile B
Cryptic Command MM2015
Vendilion Clique MM
4x Serum Visions
which Pile is better long term?
Depends on what goes on with the formats and MM2017. It is unlikely anything at all on either side will be in MM17 but I think there is a small chance Crypic and vendillon clique could be reprinted. Blue has been struggling in modern for awhile now, and if none of the cards in pile B get reprinted and blue ever gets better Pile B will go up. However if modern starts struggling in popularity and Frontier takes off Pile A will probably go up because of the Fetchs/Fetchable lands being in demand. It feels like a horse a piece, however I think pile B has a small edge. It really comes down to which format do you see yourself playing more of in the future?
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
Bloodstained Mire KoT x2
Sunken Hollow
Canopy Vista
Wooded Foothills
Eldrazi displacer
Pile B
Cryptic Command MM2015
Vendilion Clique MM
4x Serum Visions
which Pile is better long term?
Depends on what goes on with the formats and MM2017. It is unlikely anything at all on either side will be in MM17 but I think there is a small chance Crypic and vendillon clique could be reprinted. Blue has been struggling in modern for awhile now, and if none of the cards in pile B get reprinted and blue ever gets better Pile B will go up. However if modern starts struggling in popularity and Frontier takes off Pile A will probably go up because of the Fetchs/Fetchable lands being in demand. It feels like a horse a piece, however I think pile B has a small edge. It really comes down to which format do you see yourself playing more of in the future?
This pretty much mirrors my sentiments, excepting that I actually think Pile A will do slightly better in the long term unless blue control becomes a dominant force in Modern. I've always been a fan of keeping up with real estate. If you have all of the lands you can build any deck you want. They will always be useful.
2 Nahiri, Harbinger
Pile B:
2 Contagion Engine
2 Obstinate Baloth
Thanks.
Let me echo KnickM's point here. Japanese Cradles are more valuable than English ones. No problems on trading it away. As to the value of the trade, you're essentially trading away a $200 reserve list card (in English, likely $220-$250 in Japanese) for a $120 reserve list card and $80 in non-reserve list cards. 2 years from now the price gap between the RL and non-RL cards will be greater. If it was me, I'd expect more in the way of non-RL cards because you are effectively trading down - $200 of RL for $120 of RL.
Interesting trade... On the one hand I really don't like trading for Contagion Engine right now because it's just skyrocketed in price from the Commander 2016 release. On the other hand, Nahiri, The Harbinger is a standard card that when it rotates out will lose 30% of its value next year.
Given that both are likely to recede in pricing, I'd go with whichever pile you plan to use.
Contagion Engine looks like a recent buyout, too. Very sharp price spike that immediately dropped to half around the same time a few other cards did the same thing. Either a huge number of people decided to build Atraxa superfriends at exactly the same time, or someone is trying some market manipulation. I wouldn't trade for that at all right now and I would happily trade them into something a little more stable if someone was offering.
Sorry, I should clarify my statement that Nahiri is a standard legal card that can still be opened in packs. It isn't really a playable card in the format currently, but that could change with the release of the next set. It's certainly a more modern viable card than standard, but its still likely the price will take a steep decline on rotation next September (IE - it won't hold it's near $20 price tag)
I agree completely on the contagion engine front though. It's in the middle of a spike that you would be purchasing into and that's almost universally a bad idea.
Obstinate Baloth isn't worth nothing, but it's still a sideboard card at best outside of some pretty unhealthy formats. It's also easy to reprint. I think the Nahiris are the clear winner, but I can understand going either way on it.
Pile B: Consecrated Sphinx
TCG says it's $17.23 vs $16.97.
Pick whichever one you want. Both are equally at risk for reprints, and both are known quantities that are probably not going to explode anytime soon. I'd probably take the Sphinx, just on a hunch that it might not be on WOTC's radar to reprint because it's "unfun", but it could easily be in MM17 (EDH staples have shown up in the mythic slot before). So, just take whichever one you want.
3x Verdurous Gearhulk
Ensnaring Bridge Masterpiece Series
Pile B
3x Ancestral Vision
which pile is better long term
The pile with the Masterpiece is better. Everything else can and will be reprinted.
1 x Saheeli Rai
Pile B
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Value-wise, for now, it seems even. But who wins long term?
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I think that Saheeli does.
It's almost a given that Chandra will get a reprint next summer in an SDCC set, which puts a surprising number of copies into existence. And, frankly, she's been underperforming lately. She's not posting JTMS numbers, that's for sure. Saheeli is starting to break into Modern now that people realize that she's a combo enabler. My prediction is that Saheeli's price will stick better than Chandra's, until the inevitable reprints.
Amazing, but I actually was thinking along the same lines as KnickM here. To add to this, 3 mana planeswalkers are the sweet spot for Modern and Legacy play. It may take a few years for people to come up with the right type of deck, but it certainly has the most potential.
4 Snapcaster Mage
Pile B:
1 RV Taiga LP
1 RV Savannah LP
Leaning towards Pile B, anyone have a good argument for Pile A?
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I would most likely take pile b because...duals.
However, the argument for snapcaster mage is that it is at an all time low. However, it will probably be in modern masters 2017.
The thing is that it is possible it will follow a trend similar to noble hierarch in MM15.
You could most likely get more long term value from the snaps, because after MM17 they won't be reprinted for a long time and could move back up to $60-70
I agree with everything except for your long term view. In the long game, reserve list cards will outshine anything not on the RL. Duals are the easy answer here.... hands down.
I agree with Seal. Snaps could be better this time next year. He's almost a lock for MM17, and will probably be in MM19 as well, so long term he's definitely not the pick.
Here's a good argument for Pile A: You have a Modern deck that needs Snapcasters. Pile B is two of the less-popular Revised Duals. That's good for EDH, or for long-term spec, but those aren't really the duals that are required to tear up Legacy events. So, if you want to play competitive Modern and you want to run Snaps, take Pile A. Playability trumps most other concerns.
I'd still take Pile B. But you asked for arguments for Pile A, so I'm giving you one.
My reasoning behind long term is that eventually the prices of reserved list cards will spiral out of hand, and WOTC will have to do something. And, if they don't, the sad truth is that there will be counterfeits that are virtually the same as duals and there will be no way to tell between a real and a fake.
These points should be brought up (and have been many times) in the reserve list thread. They don't belong in the trade evaluation thread.
The thing is that this piece of information actually pertains to the trade (I still think the duals are better but just making the argument
Bloodstained Mire KoT x2
Sunken Hollow
Canopy Vista
Wooded Foothills
Eldrazi displacer
Pile B
Cryptic Command MM2015
Vendilion Clique MM
4x Serum Visions
which Pile is better long term?
Depends on what goes on with the formats and MM2017. It is unlikely anything at all on either side will be in MM17 but I think there is a small chance Crypic and vendillon clique could be reprinted. Blue has been struggling in modern for awhile now, and if none of the cards in pile B get reprinted and blue ever gets better Pile B will go up. However if modern starts struggling in popularity and Frontier takes off Pile A will probably go up because of the Fetchs/Fetchable lands being in demand. It feels like a horse a piece, however I think pile B has a small edge. It really comes down to which format do you see yourself playing more of in the future?
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This pretty much mirrors my sentiments, excepting that I actually think Pile A will do slightly better in the long term unless blue control becomes a dominant force in Modern. I've always been a fan of keeping up with real estate. If you have all of the lands you can build any deck you want. They will always be useful.
2 5D Engineered Explosives LP
Pile B:
4 Goryo's Vengeance
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