Sorry, I should have been more clear on my pricing. I think the TCG-Mid price will be $35-40 coming up after the release of Eternal Masters and that if you're looking to spend cash, you'll be able to find copies for less than $30.
/edit - I should also clarify that playability has an unpriced value as well. Since you need the Wasteland for a deck, I understand the trade and it's one I would probably do as well if I'd needed them.
In terms of picking one or the other for preference, I doubt that people are going to care and the value between the Tempest version and the EM version will be almost nil. There are going to be at least 4 versions that are more preferable (the 2 judge foils, the Expedition version, and the upcoming EM foil). People who want sweet versions will gravitate towards one of those 4 versions over the original Tempest version.
Pile A not even close. Gaea's Cradle is reserved list, meanwhile Rishadan Port is not. Cradle is foreign language...not sure if this adds more or subtracts some value. Depends from player to player.
But man...if Sylvan Library is really Black-bordered (from Legends), then 1 Cradle + 1 Library is enough for the 3 Rishadan port. You're just giving the other cards away for free. Of course, if you NEED Ports, then it's ok, I guess because you do get 3 of the 4 you'll need. I still wouldn't trade those other stuff though.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Pile A not even close. Gaea's Cradle is reserved list, meanwhile Rishadan Port is not. Cradle is foreign language...not sure if this adds more or subtracts some value. Depends from player to player.
But man...if Sylvan Library is really Black-bordered (from Legends), then 1 Cradle + 1 Library is enough for the 3 Rishadan port. You're just giving the other cards away for free. Of course, if you NEED Ports, then it's ok, I guess because you do get 3 of the 4 you'll need. I still wouldn't trade those other stuff though.
Titus has the right of it - Cradle is pretty much a blue dual, and Port may be reprinted at any point.
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I agree with the others, pile A is the winner here by far. Port has a high chance of seeing a reprint in MMA, which would make a serious dent in the price. On the other hand, cradle isn't going anywhere but up (unless legacy elves is no longer a deck) and the other stuff probably won't be seeing any reprints (library is a possibility, but a legends printing is pretty valuable for those who like old border)
Currently you can buy 3 drana's for about $24 and an Ugin for about $18.50. So from a straight economy perspective I'd go with Drana. I don't know how often you trade, but the BR Vampire deck seems like it's missing a piece from being successful. If that piece emerges in EMN, then Drana could easily double in price and then you would have a golden opportunity to trade them away for a higher price. There will probably be another Drana/Olivia spike during EMN spoiler season.
Since Ugin has already rotated out, there is no threat of him losing any more value and is probably the "safe pick". He shouldn't skyrocket or plummet, but slowly increase in value over time.
Anyways, I don't know if I answered your question, but gave some reasoning behind each pick.
Crypt is NOT on the reserve list, and Tundra and Diamond are, though Crypt being a Judge foil insulates it a bit in the event of a reprint.
Let me give this a shot.
Right now, judge Mana Crypt is a staggering $280. Tundra (presuming NM) can be had for $180, and the Mox is $75. TCGMid on Tundra is $240, though - so, by the numbers, Pile B wins by $35.
The judge foil of Mana Crypt will always be the best version, but part of the price is due to the scarcity. If it gets a reprint (which it probably will, eventually), then that will hurt the price somewhat. Tundra and Diamond are never getting reprinted ever again (they promise), and are Legacy staples. However, with EMA on the horizon and a renewed promise that there won't be any reserve list cards in it, these guys have already spiked. There is some up left for them to go (eventually), but they're going to be steady or even go down for the next year.
I don't think that you really lose out either way. If you're looking to get into Legacy, Pile B gets you a piece of the way there. If you're looking to pimp out your EDH deck, Pile A is the way to go. If you're looking to make a short-term profit, I'd say Pile A, since you'll have a hard time unloading a Tundra for TCGMid, with several available in NM condition near TCGLow. If you're looking to make a long-term hold, I'd take Pile B. The Revised dual is going to win out in the long long game.
That's my analysis. No slam-dunk answers or snap picks here. I think that, if forced to make this trade, I'd take Pile B for myself, just because I hate trading away my revised duals.
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Crypt is NOT on the reserve list, and Tundra and Diamond are, though Crypt being a Judge foil insulates it a bit in the event of a reprint.
Let me give this a shot.
Right now, judge Mana Crypt is a staggering $280. Tundra (presuming NM) can be had for $180, and the Mox is $75. TCGMid on Tundra is $240, though - so, by the numbers, Pile B wins by $35.
The judge foil of Mana Crypt will always be the best version, but part of the price is due to the scarcity. If it gets a reprint (which it probably will, eventually), then that will hurt the price somewhat. Tundra and Diamond are never getting reprinted ever again (they promise), and are Legacy staples. However, with EMA on the horizon and a renewed promise that there won't be any reserve list cards in it, these guys have already spiked. There is some up left for them to go (eventually), but they're going to be steady or even go down for the next year.
I don't think that you really lose out either way. If you're looking to get into Legacy, Pile B gets you a piece of the way there. If you're looking to pimp out your EDH deck, Pile A is the way to go. If you're looking to make a short-term profit, I'd say Pile A, since you'll have a hard time unloading a Tundra for TCGMid, with several available in NM condition near TCGLow. If you're looking to make a long-term hold, I'd take Pile B. The Revised dual is going to win out in the long long game.
That's my analysis. No slam-dunk answers or snap picks here. I think that, if forced to make this trade, I'd take Pile B for myself, just because I hate trading away my revised duals.
100% agree with KnickM. If it were me in the situation, I would ever so slightly lean toward pile B. Of course, my opinion is biased since I already have a Judge Mana Crypt and need more dual lands (who could ever have enough!?!?)
One other thing that I always do is if I'm trading AWAY a reserved list card, I'm almost always trading it for another card on the reserved list. In those rare circumstances I do trade it away for something not RL, I usually expect a premium (10-20%). If I'm trading 2 reserved list cards, it'd better be a HELL of a deal. This one isn't - it's balanced..
Right now, judge Mana Crypt is a staggering $280. Tundra (presuming NM) can be had for $180, and the Mox is $75. TCGMid on Tundra is $240, though - so, by the numbers, Pile B wins by $35.
The judge foil of Mana Crypt will always be the best version, but part of the price is due to the scarcity. If it gets a reprint (which it probably will, eventually), then that will hurt the price somewhat. Tundra and Diamond are never getting reprinted ever again (they promise), and are Legacy staples. However, with EMA on the horizon and a renewed promise that there won't be any reserve list cards in it, these guys have already spiked. There is some up left for them to go (eventually), but they're going to be steady or even go down for the next year.
I don't think that you really lose out either way. If you're looking to get into Legacy, Pile B gets you a piece of the way there. If you're looking to pimp out your EDH deck, Pile A is the way to go. If you're looking to make a short-term profit, I'd say Pile A, since you'll have a hard time unloading a Tundra for TCGMid, with several available in NM condition near TCGLow. If you're looking to make a long-term hold, I'd take Pile B. The Revised dual is going to win out in the long long game.
That's my analysis. No slam-dunk answers or snap picks here. I think that, if forced to make this trade, I'd take Pile B for myself, just because I hate trading away my revised duals.
Agree completely except for judge Crypt being the best Crypt. I'm a fan of the original promo. That's an entirely aesthetic call and I'm probably in the minority, so don't read too much into that.
I would take B without thinking about it too much. Given the choice between dual (+ other RL card) and not-dual, I'm almost always on the dual side of things. It's definitely the longer term view in this trade, but I always like having more duals.
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I do think it's worth noting that the Crypt has also spiked this year. When I bought it the first week of January (per this) I paid about $175, so it's spiked more than Tundra or Mox Diamond in the months since.
I'm gonna sleep on it I think but I'm leaning towards taking the deal.
Agree completely except for judge Crypt being the best Crypt. I'm a fan of the original promo. That's an entirely aesthetic call and I'm probably in the minority, so don't read too much into that.
Personally, I like the Tedin better as well (a mix of liking the art more, the old frame, and the nostalgia of waiting by the mailbox for my card to arrive, not knowing what it was or what it did, just that it had some connection to the book I'd just read. Also, the judge foil has that stupid DCI stamp IN THE ARTWORK. C'mon, WOTC!). But general consensus is that the judge foil is "pimper".
Thinking about it a little more last night (because that's what I do instead of sleep - I think about your trades), we've had two re-releases of judge promos already - Vindicate and Wasteland. It's not unreasonable to think that Mana Crypt could get another judge printing, and this time under the Exemplar program, which makes judge foils even rarer. If it does, that printing would push the original judge foil down, so I'm going to come out a little more strongly on the side of the dual.
I do think it's worth noting that the Crypt has also spiked this year. When I bought it the first week of January (per this) I paid about $175, so it's spiked more than Tundra or Mox Diamond in the months since.
EDH cards tend to spike with actual demand. Judge foils are easy spec targets, since they almost never go down once they settle, but I'd say that it's more likely that it's real people picking them up to play with. Tundra and Diamond, in contrast, are almost certainly specs due to the EMA announcement. And that only pays off if people then unload them (around the time that EMA comes out). Something else to consider. Again, I'm still going with Pile B, but if you trade frequently at high prices, you can probably take Pile A and flip it into something slightly better if you do it soon.
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I do think it's worth noting that the Crypt has also spiked this year. When I bought it the first week of January (per this) I paid about $175, so it's spiked more than Tundra or Mox Diamond in the months since.
I'm gonna sleep on it I think but I'm leaning towards taking the deal.
So, which did you end up taking? We've just had Crypt spoiled as an EMA mythic (with the judge promo art).
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I got him to throw a Wheel of Fortune in with the Tundra and Mox and made the deal.
Seems good. With the reprint in EMA, the judge promo may even take a brief dip as people decide to ditch theirs for an EMA copy plus other stuff. No guarantee, obviously.
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I got him to throw a Wheel of Fortune in with the Tundra and Mox and made the deal.
Seems good. With the reprint in EMA, the judge promo may even take a brief dip as people decide to ditch theirs for an EMA copy plus other stuff. No guarantee, obviously.
Agreed. Mana Crypt is going to take a temporary nose dive for the next 6 months or year before recovering. I am still impressed. 3 reserved list cards for something that is getting reprinted is an all around good deal.
Can't decide on this pile. I have pile A and am thinking about trading for pile B. I think I will keep A though, just curious.
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Sp Signed Mishra's Workshop
NM Champs Promo Mutavault
NM Foil Rofellos, Llanawar's Emissary
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Wow. I think it'd depend on the rest of your collection. Is that your only Tabernacle? Do you have a playset of Workshops? Pile A is serious Legacy cardboard, while Pile B is (while obviously an incredibly good card) a collector's item which can be replaced with half a dozen Revised versions of the same land. I'd lean towards Pile A, myself.
Also, I'd definitely want to see hi-res scans of all the cards before making a decision of that magnitude.
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Can't decide on this pile. I have pile A and am thinking about trading for pile B. I think I will keep A though, just curious.
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Sp Signed Mishra's Workshop
NM Champs Promo Mutavault
NM Foil Rofellos, Llanawar's Emissary
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SP Beta Underground Sea
This is a VERY interesting trade! From a purely financial standpoint, the Sea is probably a bit more. But for me, I think I'd stick with pile A for a few reasons. #1 - if you play Commander, you have a boatload of fun cards. #2 - if you're a collector, you have 3 incredibly collectible pieces that are the crown jewel of most peoples collections. #3 - while the value is close right now, I believe that we've already seen Beta duals plateau and they've reached a point I don't see them continuing on at that pace. My belief is that we'll see both the Tabernacle and the Workshop eclipse $2k each and it won't be too far off in the distance.
I suppose the real question though is which do you value more? For me, pile A offers the best combination of fun and collectibility. Of course this equation could easily change if as KnickM stated, you have extra copies of these cards and you're looking to pick up something more.
Funny though, you really can't go wrong either way. You've got some slick pieces that are just awesome all around.
Can't decide on this pile. I have pile A and am thinking about trading for pile B. I think I will keep A though, just curious.
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SP Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
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SP Beta Underground Sea
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Wow. I think it'd depend on the rest of your collection. Is that your only Tabernacle? Do you have a playset of Workshops? Pile A is serious Legacy cardboard, while Pile B is (while obviously an incredibly good card) a collector's item which can be replaced with half a dozen Revised versions of the same land. I'd lean towards Pile A, myself.
Also, I'd definitely want to see hi-res scans of all the cards before making a decision of that magnitude.
I'm currently working on a powered cube, Beta Duals, Power, test prints. So the issue is that I eventually need all of these cards including the underground sea. Over the past couple years I've grinded value; buylisting, trading and everything in between for these high end cards. The end goal is beta duals so I think this is a good opportunity but the future value of pile A is far more than Pile B.
Can't decide on this pile. I have pile A and am thinking about trading for pile B. I think I will keep A though, just curious.
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This is a VERY interesting trade! From a purely financial standpoint, the Sea is probably a bit more. But for me, I think I'd stick with pile A for a few reasons. #1 - if you play Commander, you have a boatload of fun cards. #2 - if you're a collector, you have 3 incredibly collectible pieces that are the crown jewel of most peoples collections. #3 - while the value is close right now, I believe that we've already seen Beta duals plateau and they've reached a point I don't see them continuing on at that pace. My belief is that we'll see both the Tabernacle and the Workshop eclipse $2k each and it won't be too far off in the distance.
I suppose the real question though is which do you value more? For me, pile A offers the best combination of fun and collectibility. Of course this equation could easily change if as KnickM stated, you have extra copies of these cards and you're looking to pick up something more.
Funny though, you really can't go wrong either way. You've got some slick pieces that are just awesome all around.
I agree, with the current increase in legacy staples, I expect the price of Tabernacle and Workshop to see large gains in the future. Additionally most of these cards are, like you said Crown Jewels. Which is an amazing thing to have in my collection, will try and workout another deal.
I agree, with the current increase in legacy staples, I expect the price of Tabernacle and Workshop to see large gains in the future. Additionally most of these cards are, like you said Crown Jewels. Which is an amazing thing to have in my collection, will try and workout another deal.
Definitely jealous of your goals. I wish I could do the same but family commitments make that an impossibility. I'd LOVE to see some pics of it when you're done!
Given what your goals are, I stand by my original assessment. I am guessing that it's going to take you years to complete this task. With that in mind, I think column A will be worth more in the long run. therefore it makes sense to keep column A and get the Underground Sea at a later date.
I'm very conflicted because I am in love with the new fow art. On the other hand, I don't think that I'll see that mana drain again. I live in a smaller city.
I'm very conflicted because I am in love with the new fow art. On the other hand, I don't think that I'll see that mana drain again. I live in a smaller city.
I technically need both cards for my foil edh.
So, the last two trades involve a lot of cards I will never even see
I'd take Pile A here. The Force is at its low point, since EMA just came out and supply is plentiful. Judge foils start off ludicrously expensive, and then drop once more hit the market. As an Exemplar foil, this will be significantly rarer than most previous judge foils. However, this is still the beginning of its "life". Its price will drop over the course of the year, while Force will be on an upward trajectory. How much they'll move is completely speculation, but I don't think that the Mana Drain will maintain its price as well in the next 5 years. Maybe after that? But on that time scale, Drain could get an EMA 2018 printing. I vote Force.
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I'm very conflicted because I am in love with the new fow art. On the other hand, I don't think that I'll see that mana drain again. I live in a smaller city.
I technically need both cards for my foil edh.
To start, I think both of these are excellent cards to hold on to and you can't go too far wrong with either pile. It's also hard to predict where these kinds of things are going to go, given the extremely low supplies of each of them. All of that said, I would hold the Force. Foil Force is something that people are going to want playsets of in a lot of cases, and EMA is still relatively cheap. I would expect Force to go up from here. I've been halfheartedly watching the judge Drains, and they're already dropping pretty rapidly as more of them hit the market. There's also lower demand than there is for the Forces long term. Assuming they're both about equal for EDH and cube, you're looking at legacy and vintage players pimping out decks for Force and solely vintage players for Drain.
I really don't think you can go too far wrong with either of these, though.
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/edit - I should also clarify that playability has an unpriced value as well. Since you need the Wasteland for a deck, I understand the trade and it's one I would probably do as well if I'd needed them.
In terms of picking one or the other for preference, I doubt that people are going to care and the value between the Tempest version and the EM version will be almost nil. There are going to be at least 4 versions that are more preferable (the 2 judge foils, the Expedition version, and the upcoming EM foil). People who want sweet versions will gravitate towards one of those 4 versions over the original Tempest version.
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Pile A not even close. Gaea's Cradle is reserved list, meanwhile Rishadan Port is not. Cradle is foreign language...not sure if this adds more or subtracts some value. Depends from player to player.
But man...if Sylvan Library is really Black-bordered (from Legends), then 1 Cradle + 1 Library is enough for the 3 Rishadan port. You're just giving the other cards away for free. Of course, if you NEED Ports, then it's ok, I guess because you do get 3 of the 4 you'll need. I still wouldn't trade those other stuff though.
Titus has the right of it - Cradle is pretty much a blue dual, and Port may be reprinted at any point.
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1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Currently you can buy 3 drana's for about $24 and an Ugin for about $18.50. So from a straight economy perspective I'd go with Drana. I don't know how often you trade, but the BR Vampire deck seems like it's missing a piece from being successful. If that piece emerges in EMN, then Drana could easily double in price and then you would have a golden opportunity to trade them away for a higher price. There will probably be another Drana/Olivia spike during EMN spoiler season.
Since Ugin has already rotated out, there is no threat of him losing any more value and is probably the "safe pick". He shouldn't skyrocket or plummet, but slowly increase in value over time.
Anyways, I don't know if I answered your question, but gave some reasoning behind each pick.
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Stronghold Mox Diamond
Crypt is NOT on the reserve list, and Tundra and Diamond are, though Crypt being a Judge foil insulates it a bit in the event of a reprint.
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Let me give this a shot.
Right now, judge Mana Crypt is a staggering $280. Tundra (presuming NM) can be had for $180, and the Mox is $75. TCGMid on Tundra is $240, though - so, by the numbers, Pile B wins by $35.
The judge foil of Mana Crypt will always be the best version, but part of the price is due to the scarcity. If it gets a reprint (which it probably will, eventually), then that will hurt the price somewhat. Tundra and Diamond are never getting reprinted ever again (they promise), and are Legacy staples. However, with EMA on the horizon and a renewed promise that there won't be any reserve list cards in it, these guys have already spiked. There is some up left for them to go (eventually), but they're going to be steady or even go down for the next year.
I don't think that you really lose out either way. If you're looking to get into Legacy, Pile B gets you a piece of the way there. If you're looking to pimp out your EDH deck, Pile A is the way to go. If you're looking to make a short-term profit, I'd say Pile A, since you'll have a hard time unloading a Tundra for TCGMid, with several available in NM condition near TCGLow. If you're looking to make a long-term hold, I'd take Pile B. The Revised dual is going to win out in the long long game.
That's my analysis. No slam-dunk answers or snap picks here. I think that, if forced to make this trade, I'd take Pile B for myself, just because I hate trading away my revised duals.
100% agree with KnickM. If it were me in the situation, I would ever so slightly lean toward pile B. Of course, my opinion is biased since I already have a Judge Mana Crypt and need more dual lands (who could ever have enough!?!?)
One other thing that I always do is if I'm trading AWAY a reserved list card, I'm almost always trading it for another card on the reserved list. In those rare circumstances I do trade it away for something not RL, I usually expect a premium (10-20%). If I'm trading 2 reserved list cards, it'd better be a HELL of a deal. This one isn't - it's balanced..
I would take B without thinking about it too much. Given the choice between dual (+ other RL card) and not-dual, I'm almost always on the dual side of things. It's definitely the longer term view in this trade, but I always like having more duals.
I do think it's worth noting that the Crypt has also spiked this year. When I bought it the first week of January (per this) I paid about $175, so it's spiked more than Tundra or Mox Diamond in the months since.
I'm gonna sleep on it I think but I'm leaning towards taking the deal.
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Thinking about it a little more last night (because that's what I do instead of sleep - I think about your trades), we've had two re-releases of judge promos already - Vindicate and Wasteland. It's not unreasonable to think that Mana Crypt could get another judge printing, and this time under the Exemplar program, which makes judge foils even rarer. If it does, that printing would push the original judge foil down, so I'm going to come out a little more strongly on the side of the dual.
EDH cards tend to spike with actual demand. Judge foils are easy spec targets, since they almost never go down once they settle, but I'd say that it's more likely that it's real people picking them up to play with. Tundra and Diamond, in contrast, are almost certainly specs due to the EMA announcement. And that only pays off if people then unload them (around the time that EMA comes out). Something else to consider. Again, I'm still going with Pile B, but if you trade frequently at high prices, you can probably take Pile A and flip it into something slightly better if you do it soon.
So, which did you end up taking? We've just had Crypt spoiled as an EMA mythic (with the judge promo art).
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Seems good. With the reprint in EMA, the judge promo may even take a brief dip as people decide to ditch theirs for an EMA copy plus other stuff. No guarantee, obviously.
Agreed. Mana Crypt is going to take a temporary nose dive for the next 6 months or year before recovering. I am still impressed. 3 reserved list cards for something that is getting reprinted is an all around good deal.
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Wow. I think it'd depend on the rest of your collection. Is that your only Tabernacle? Do you have a playset of Workshops? Pile A is serious Legacy cardboard, while Pile B is (while obviously an incredibly good card) a collector's item which can be replaced with half a dozen Revised versions of the same land. I'd lean towards Pile A, myself.
Also, I'd definitely want to see hi-res scans of all the cards before making a decision of that magnitude.
This is a VERY interesting trade! From a purely financial standpoint, the Sea is probably a bit more. But for me, I think I'd stick with pile A for a few reasons. #1 - if you play Commander, you have a boatload of fun cards. #2 - if you're a collector, you have 3 incredibly collectible pieces that are the crown jewel of most peoples collections. #3 - while the value is close right now, I believe that we've already seen Beta duals plateau and they've reached a point I don't see them continuing on at that pace. My belief is that we'll see both the Tabernacle and the Workshop eclipse $2k each and it won't be too far off in the distance.
I suppose the real question though is which do you value more? For me, pile A offers the best combination of fun and collectibility. Of course this equation could easily change if as KnickM stated, you have extra copies of these cards and you're looking to pick up something more.
Funny though, you really can't go wrong either way. You've got some slick pieces that are just awesome all around.
I'm currently working on a powered cube, Beta Duals, Power, test prints. So the issue is that I eventually need all of these cards including the underground sea. Over the past couple years I've grinded value; buylisting, trading and everything in between for these high end cards. The end goal is beta duals so I think this is a good opportunity but the future value of pile A is far more than Pile B.
I agree, with the current increase in legacy staples, I expect the price of Tabernacle and Workshop to see large gains in the future. Additionally most of these cards are, like you said Crown Jewels. Which is an amazing thing to have in my collection, will try and workout another deal.
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Definitely jealous of your goals. I wish I could do the same but family commitments make that an impossibility. I'd LOVE to see some pics of it when you're done!
Given what your goals are, I stand by my original assessment. I am guessing that it's going to take you years to complete this task. With that in mind, I think column A will be worth more in the long run. therefore it makes sense to keep column A and get the Underground Sea at a later date.
Pile A
Foil EMA Force of Will
Pile B
Mana drain judge foil.
I'm very conflicted because I am in love with the new fow art. On the other hand, I don't think that I'll see that mana drain again. I live in a smaller city.
I technically need both cards for my foil edh.
UR Niv-Mizzet, The Firemind
WUR Narset's Coinflip Casino
Modern
UB Mill
So, the last two trades involve a lot of cards I will never even see
I'd take Pile A here. The Force is at its low point, since EMA just came out and supply is plentiful. Judge foils start off ludicrously expensive, and then drop once more hit the market. As an Exemplar foil, this will be significantly rarer than most previous judge foils. However, this is still the beginning of its "life". Its price will drop over the course of the year, while Force will be on an upward trajectory. How much they'll move is completely speculation, but I don't think that the Mana Drain will maintain its price as well in the next 5 years. Maybe after that? But on that time scale, Drain could get an EMA 2018 printing. I vote Force.
I really don't think you can go too far wrong with either of these, though.