Pile A is worth more on paper, but I think that is only short-term. When a banning hits Modern Eldrazi, I think that TKS takes a pretty good value hit. Plus, I always side with staple real estate. So I would take the Marsh Flats.
Trade 1, I'd take B. Oath is more playable in eternal formats, but it's still niche and there's always casual/budget demand for dual lands of most stripes, particularly with the basic land types. Trade 2, I'd take A, mostly for the foil MoE. B is only better if the checks don't get reprinted in a reasonable timeframe, which seems unlikely. Both of these seem fairly balanced in general, though.
I'd take B unless you need Lili for a deck. Lots of mid-value EDH and casual favorites there and I like the greater spread in value. A couple of them get tanked hard by reprints, notably Auramancy, but I think the value trends up over time anyways. I'm generally not big on trading one big thing for a bunch of little ones, but I think there's enough in B to make it worthwhile.
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Thanks for the feedback Weebo and augie. I was side A in both (trading for B). I only felt ok about the second trade, but I wanted to extend my land base, so I went for it.
I'd trade away Mires first, then Foothills, then Heaths. Sorry, but I think augiedoggy18 is providing poor advice.
Mires are only as expensive as other fetches because they sees TONS of play in Standard, when it has historically been the cheapest fetch. Heaths are the cheapest fetch right now because they were in a precon, but fetches are generally interchangeable, and nobody will care in a few years. At the price they are now (roughly 60% of the value of other fetches), I'm actively trading for them as the fetchland with the most to gain.
Seems like a fair price after scanning MCM (which I assume you have access to, given that you're asking about euros). It's not the deal of the century or anything, but it's a fair price and you presumably don't have to deal with as much shipping/different sellers. If you have a use for the duals and aren't going to miss the money, I would take those.
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So, I'd really love to hear which of these piles you'd go with (and why). For reference, I like thinking long-term (years, not months), and am terrible at short-term flipping. All cards acquired will go into decks (somehow). Thank you.
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I would snap-take Pile B. Two Reserved List cards plus the only full-art, foil printing of Wasteland is better than a large pile of reprintable, largely-Modern cards. In the long-term, Pile B is the choice I'd make.
Any thoughts on the Kalitas (Foil) and Sylvan Advocate trade? I know I'm trading modern staples for standard ones, but Emrakul is probably being cut from modern with Eye ban
Ovid: I'd take A. Trading for foil chase standard mythics seems like a losing prospect. Even if Emrakul doesn't see modern play (which is unlikely, given Through the Breach almost guaranteeing fringe play), it's a semi-regular legacy card and a casual favorite.
KnickM: B and I wouldn't have to think twice, even if I think that Wasteland is a far cry from the MPR one. Bayou and Candelabra are solid long term prospects and almost everything in A could be reprinted very easily.
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I would snap-take Pile B. Two Reserved List cards plus the only full-art, foil printing of Wasteland is better than a large pile of reprintable, largely-Modern cards. In the long-term, Pile B is the choice I'd make.
wholeheartedly agree. I'd make the same trade in a heartbeat.
was just wondering what your advice on this deal would be :
pile A : 950 euros
Pile B :
(All revised NM/NM-)
1 Underground sea
1 Tundra
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
Thanks in advance!
Revised duals are something I'd be really leery of offloading if I ever intended to get back into the game. They will simply go up. Yes, there are corrections, but the general trend is upwards. I'd keep the lands unless I were quitting the game for good.
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was just wondering what your advice on this deal would be :
pile A : 950 euros
Pile B :
(All revised NM/NM-)
1 Underground sea
1 Tundra
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
Thanks in advance!
Revised duals are something I'd be really leery of offloading if I ever intended to get back into the game. They will simply go up. Yes, there are corrections, but the general trend is upwards. I'd keep the lands unless I were quitting the game for good.
With the exception of the last 12-15 months, dual lands had been on a pretty strong upward climb and it won't be stopping. Remember, 5 years ago you could still by Moxen for $400-$500. While there are a lot more duals out there, they are also much more sought after and are the gold standard of any format they are able to be played in.
I have to agree with KnickM. If there is any possibility that you'll be getting back into the game, I would hold on to the lands. 5 years from now it could cost you twice as much to re-acquire what you already had.
I do get the idea that these cards will never be "cheaper" than they are right now.
However, I am wondering if they will see such a huge increase in price, if people do not get considerably more into Legacy for example.
I now COmmander players could help that increase, but technically 4 times slower than Legacy.
My duals haven't been played for years, for many different reasons, and I will honestly likely never play magic again (I kept them because I lend them to a friend some time to time).
I also have a pending project of buying an appartment, that might occure in the next 2/3 years...
On top of that, I have a concern regarding the price : if one day U sea reaches 400 USD, I am sure that way less people will be looking for NM cards, as it'll cost a huge amount to complete a playset...
The real question here is : @ that price, would I be selling my duals fairly, or would I give them away too easily?
Thanks for your feedback!
Totaling it up from MCM, for NM copies of everything you have would cost about 1100 EUR. 950 seems a bit on the low side especially if you have to pay any sort of fees. Without fees, then the pricing would seem to be about what you could get on MCM.
If you are in a position to negotiate with the person you want to sell to, you could potentially try to get another 50 to 100 EUR at best. That would still keep you below what he'd pay on MCM.
Also, I don't know the condition of your duals. Obviously if the blue duals are NM- or worse, then you're probably good taking the offer at 950.
I would snap-take Pile B. Two Reserved List cards plus the only full-art, foil printing of Wasteland is better than a large pile of reprintable, largely-Modern cards. In the long-term, Pile B is the choice I'd make.
KnickM: B and I wouldn't have to think twice, even if I think that Wasteland is a far cry from the MPR one. Bayou and Candelabra are solid long term prospects and almost everything in A could be reprinted very easily.
I would snap-take Pile B. Two Reserved List cards plus the only full-art, foil printing of Wasteland is better than a large pile of reprintable, largely-Modern cards. In the long-term, Pile B is the choice I'd make.
KnickM: B and I wouldn't have to think twice, even if I think that Wasteland is a far cry from the MPR one. Bayou and Candelabra are solid long term prospects and almost everything in A could be reprinted very easily.
wholeheartedly agree. I'd make the same trade in a heartbeat.
Thanks, guys. Pile A has about (I think) $100-$150 more in value by TCGMid, so that's the consideration. That's a real price to pay to trade up.
I ended up taking Pile B, because, y'know, when am I ever going to see that on the other side of the table again?
I added up the value of the trade and came up with you giving up about $100 based on TCG low. If you're looking at it now, yeah that is a real cost. But in 2 or 3 years you'll be looking at that trade and be very happy.
To be honest, I just don't see people trading away reserved list staples for anything other than reserved list staples in my area.
Thanks a lot for your answer. The U sea is nm front and back. The other blue duals are all nm front, but are either nm-, exc+ on the back, as are the savannah and scrubland. The bayou is as the U sea...
If i follow what you say, selling these at 950 is a rather good net margin on my side?
Do you honestly think i could make a +20% profit on these 5 years from now? I really have some doubts here, considering the lower amd lower attraction to formats that play them...
Thanks!!
A Tundra, 2 Trops and a Volcanic that are NM- or EXC+? That changes the equation somewhat to making the 950 EUR seem like a decent deal. Almost all of the value is in the 5 blue duals. 4 of them being less than NM will hurt your value to where 950 without fees is a decent deal. I say decent. You might do better if you try to sell each individually, but I can't see you getting more than 1000 EUR under any circumstances and you'd likely have to pay fees to get that rate. Short answer - yes - 950 EUR for the duals sounds like the right price.
As for making +20% in 5 years? I'd say that would be nearly certain. Underground Seas (currently about $350 US) could very easily be worth $425 in 5 years. In that length of time I'd guess that they could push $500 by 2021.
/edit I will add one benefit to selling right now is that with the Eternal Masters announcement, many reserve list cards got a big bump in their price. it's the equivalent of selling into the hype. Pricing is probably a touch inflated right now and could take 6 months to a year to hit this place again.
3x Crumble to Dust (foil)
1x Thought-Knot Seer (foil)
Pile B:
1x Marsh Flats
Trade 1
A:
4x Oath of Nissa
B:
3x Cinder Glade
Trade 2
A:
B:
Thanks!
Liliana of the Veil
Pile B:
Umezawa's Jitte
Consecrated Sphinx
Greater Auramancy
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
Venser, Shaper Savant
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
For Trade 2, I would take Pile A as I like the Flagstones and the foil Master versus Pile B where there isn't a lot that is interesting.
I'd take B unless you need Lili for a deck. Lots of mid-value EDH and casual favorites there and I like the greater spread in value. A couple of them get tanked hard by reprints, notably Auramancy, but I think the value trends up over time anyways. I'm generally not big on trading one big thing for a bunch of little ones, but I think there's enough in B to make it worthwhile.
i'm trading with a friend from our local playgroup
my pile:
a combination of
Bloodstained Mire (KTK)
Windswept Heath (KTK)
Wooded Foothills (KTK)
i have 1-2 of each of these fetches for trade, and he's building a deck, that uses all 3
for a Snapcaster Mage
which fetches should i give for that snapcaster?
I'd trade away Mires first, then Foothills, then Heaths. Sorry, but I think augiedoggy18 is providing poor advice.
Mires are only as expensive as other fetches because they sees TONS of play in Standard, when it has historically been the cheapest fetch. Heaths are the cheapest fetch right now because they were in a precon, but fetches are generally interchangeable, and nobody will care in a few years. At the price they are now (roughly 60% of the value of other fetches), I'm actively trading for them as the fetchland with the most to gain.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (Modern Masters)
Garruk Relentless
Dispatch (Modern Masters Foil)
Xenagos, God of Revels
Trade B:
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet (Foil)
Sylvan Advocate
The value is about the same, but I'm not using Emrakul any more.
Oblivion Stone
Fulminator Mage (HP)
Grove of the Burnwillows
Windswept Heath KTK
Horizon Canopy
Misty Rainforest
Hallowed Fountain x3 RTR
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
Geist of Saint Traft
Voice of Resurgence
Vesuva
Fetid Heath
Bloodstained Mire KTK
Palinchron
Ad Nauseam
Overgrown Tomb x2 RTR
Blood Crypt x2 RTR
Sacred Foundry GTC
Stomping Grounds GTC
Steam Vents RTR
Watery Grave x2 RAV
Temple Garden x2 RAV
Coalition Relic
Cascade Bluffs
Flooded Grove
Rugged Prairie
Glimmervoid
Seachrome Coast x2
Darkslick Shores
Shadow of Doubt
Wanderwine Hub
Eladamri's Call
Simian Spirit Guide x6
Pile B:
Bayou (RV, NM front, LP back)
Wasteland (OGW Expedition)
Candelabra of Tawnos (dinged corners and off-center 65-35, probably HP)
So, I'd really love to hear which of these piles you'd go with (and why). For reference, I like thinking long-term (years, not months), and am terrible at short-term flipping. All cards acquired will go into decks (somehow). Thank you.
I would snap-take Pile B. Two Reserved List cards plus the only full-art, foil printing of Wasteland is better than a large pile of reprintable, largely-Modern cards. In the long-term, Pile B is the choice I'd make.
KnickM: B and I wouldn't have to think twice, even if I think that Wasteland is a far cry from the MPR one. Bayou and Candelabra are solid long term prospects and almost everything in A could be reprinted very easily.
wholeheartedly agree. I'd make the same trade in a heartbeat.
Revised duals are something I'd be really leery of offloading if I ever intended to get back into the game. They will simply go up. Yes, there are corrections, but the general trend is upwards. I'd keep the lands unless I were quitting the game for good.
With the exception of the last 12-15 months, dual lands had been on a pretty strong upward climb and it won't be stopping. Remember, 5 years ago you could still by Moxen for $400-$500. While there are a lot more duals out there, they are also much more sought after and are the gold standard of any format they are able to be played in.
I have to agree with KnickM. If there is any possibility that you'll be getting back into the game, I would hold on to the lands. 5 years from now it could cost you twice as much to re-acquire what you already had.
Totaling it up from MCM, for NM copies of everything you have would cost about 1100 EUR. 950 seems a bit on the low side especially if you have to pay any sort of fees. Without fees, then the pricing would seem to be about what you could get on MCM.
If you are in a position to negotiate with the person you want to sell to, you could potentially try to get another 50 to 100 EUR at best. That would still keep you below what he'd pay on MCM.
Also, I don't know the condition of your duals. Obviously if the blue duals are NM- or worse, then you're probably good taking the offer at 950.
Thanks, guys. Pile A has about (I think) $100-$150 more in value by TCGMid, so that's the consideration. That's a real price to pay to trade up.
I ended up taking Pile B, because, y'know, when am I ever going to see that on the other side of the table again?
I added up the value of the trade and came up with you giving up about $100 based on TCG low. If you're looking at it now, yeah that is a real cost. But in 2 or 3 years you'll be looking at that trade and be very happy.
To be honest, I just don't see people trading away reserved list staples for anything other than reserved list staples in my area.
A Tundra, 2 Trops and a Volcanic that are NM- or EXC+? That changes the equation somewhat to making the 950 EUR seem like a decent deal. Almost all of the value is in the 5 blue duals. 4 of them being less than NM will hurt your value to where 950 without fees is a decent deal. I say decent. You might do better if you try to sell each individually, but I can't see you getting more than 1000 EUR under any circumstances and you'd likely have to pay fees to get that rate. Short answer - yes - 950 EUR for the duals sounds like the right price.
As for making +20% in 5 years? I'd say that would be nearly certain. Underground Seas (currently about $350 US) could very easily be worth $425 in 5 years. In that length of time I'd guess that they could push $500 by 2021.
/edit I will add one benefit to selling right now is that with the Eternal Masters announcement, many reserve list cards got a big bump in their price. it's the equivalent of selling into the hype. Pricing is probably a touch inflated right now and could take 6 months to a year to hit this place again.