What do you guys think of these trades? Trade 1
Pile A
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin Ringleader
1 Atarka's Command promo
1 Steam Vents
Pile B
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Hallowed Moonlight
1 Exquisite Firecraft
Trade 2
Pile A
1 Tropical Island (revised)
1 Abbot of Kerral Keep (PreRelease foil)
Pile B
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3 Wooded Foothills
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Batterskull
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Asceticism
1 Amulet of Vigor
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Boros Charm
2 Silvergill Adept
my pile: 22 euro (magiccardmarket)
2x Blood Crypt (RTR)
1x Deathrite Shaman (RTR)
1x Avoid Fate (Timeshifted)
other pile: 22,5 euro (magiccardmarket)
1x Ugin, the spirit dragon (FRF)
It's ok valuewise by today's prices, but I don't know the trajectory of shocklands and deathrite shaman, whereas I do know standard cards are almost always priced to high. Is Ugin an exception and will he only rise in value due to his playability in modern tron?
my pile: 22 euro (magiccardmarket)
2x Blood Crypt (RTR)
1x Deathrite Shaman (RTR)
1x Avoid Fate (Timeshifted)
other pile: 22,5 euro (magiccardmarket)
1x Ugin, the spirit dragon (FRF)
It's ok valuewise by today's prices, but I don't know the trajectory of shocklands and deathrite shaman, whereas I do know standard cards are almost always priced to high. Is Ugin an exception and will he only rise in value due to his playability in modern tron?
Yeah, I would wanna be pile a for this. Ugin has nowhere to go but down, the other cards have nowhere to go but up.
Bobs are worth about $40-45 a pop. I would not wanna sell then for $26 a piece. They're gonna hold their value well too.
Given that Kuberr posted prices in Euros, I'd say he's across the pond. Bob isn't doing well in Europe - he's readily available for 28 Euros for a NM-EX English copy. So, 26 Euros doesn't seem too bad. I think that's slightly undervalued in Europe, but really, any higher and you're priced out of the market.
my pile: 22 euro (magiccardmarket)
2x Blood Crypt (RTR)
1x Deathrite Shaman (RTR)
1x Avoid Fate (Timeshifted)
other pile: 22,5 euro (magiccardmarket)
1x Ugin, the spirit dragon (FRF)
It's ok valuewise by today's prices, but I don't know the trajectory of shocklands and deathrite shaman, whereas I do know standard cards are almost always priced to high. Is Ugin an exception and will he only rise in value due to his playability in modern tron?
Yeah, I would wanna be pile a for this. Ugin has nowhere to go but down, the other cards have nowhere to go but up.
OK, I'm going to disagree on this one. While Pile A does have shocklands, it's two Blood Crypts. Now that it's seen a reprint, Blood Crypt is the lame duck of shocklands. It's not really played in Modern, and most people just need one or two for EDH. Now, that could always change, but the bottom line is that they're easy to come by, even if they will be going up. Deathrite Shaman is banned in Modern, which really stalls its price. It's a fantastic Legacy card, but there are a lot of copies of DRS out there for all the Elf players. I think it'll go up, but sluggishly. Avoid Fate is filler.
Ugin ... has potential. He's playable in Modern Tron, although he competes with Karn. He's also a house in EDH. The thing is, though, he's also a planeswalker AND a dragon, which means that he has HUGE casual appeal. I would take Ugin here, although I'll definitely admit that it's far from cut and dried. It's entirely possible that he'll appear in next spring's duel deck, or tank with rotation, but I will bet that he does not.
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What do you guys think of these trades? Trade 1
Pile A
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin Ringleader
1 Atarka's Command promo
1 Steam Vents
Pile B
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Hallowed Moonlight
1 Exquisite Firecraft
I'm ambivalent on this one. I like Hallowed Moonlight, and Tasigur and the Fetchlands are known quantities. I don't like Bellower. I'd probably take Pile B here, because Regents should be pretty easy to get.
Ehhhhh. Hyped card from the new set against some hyped cards from the new set. Pile A has more blowout potential - if Day's Undoing turns out to be a real thing, it'll go through the roof, whereas most of Pile B will have to turn out to be awesome in order to make a similar gain. Personally, I think that Pile B is made of better, more useful cards, but I think that their prices will be pretty stable going forward. So, Pile A if you want to gamble, Pile B if you want to play it safe.
Pile B
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
Obelisk of Urd
Mana Confluence
Woodland Bellower
Thopter Spy Network
I like Pile B here. That's some solid utility for twenty bucks.
Edit: Just as a personal note, I'm much less likely to respond to "wall of trades" than to one trade at a time. I don't know about other people, but I find myself sort of glazing over long posts.
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I was debating on the Tropical Island trade. (FYI, I traded Pile A, to get Pile B in every trade). I'm always reluctant to trade duals, the main reason I did it was because I could use some of the cards in Commander, and the others (like DRS, Tasigur, etc) felt like good specs that might go up sometime in the hopefully not so distant future. Also, Tropical island has been trending down gradually since it's peak in early 2014.
However, I wonder if I should have asked for a bit more since I was "trading down". Though, I think I got good value out of the Abbot (I feel he was valued slightly higher than he's currently worth)
I'm also wondering if Crucible of worlds will drop gradually or start increasing in price.
Either way, I really appreciate the feedback. I hope I'll be able to utilize some of those cards in Modern decks, or they'll increase in price soon.
path is a card i never intend to play, or if i play, i'm not planning to use the most expensive version, also Languish is a card, that i need now.
on the other hand, if path can become 20 dollars+, i'd rather keep
path is a card i never intend to play, or if i play, i'm not planning to use the most expensive version, also Languish is a card, that i need now.
on the other hand, if path can become 20 dollars+, i'd rather keep
I would make the trade. Path is going to go down in the short term as more of them are given out at FNM. Languish is also going to go down in the short term, as people open Origins. Languish will recover faster, and you need it now. Perhaps see if you can get a throw-in as well, since your card is more valuable, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Path can certainly become $20 at some point, but pack foils are probably going to be more desirable. The WPN promo hasn't hit $20 yet, and it's older and rarer. But that's definitely not a reason to hold it over a card you're going to play now.
It's my mantra in this thread: "need for a deck" trumps "this card will go up, I think".
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i really need insight on Monastery Mentor, i really can't estimate it, will it rise post rotation?
it is a mythic from a middle set, with only a handful of chase cards
it is played in vintage and as far as i know in modern
i really need insight on Monastery Mentor, i really can't estimate it, will it rise post rotation?
it is a mythic from a middle set, with only a handful of chase cards
it is played in vintage and as far as i know in modern
Monastery Mentor is a card that seems to be generating a lot of questions here. I personally would take Pile A all day here - I think that the Mentor and Tasigur definitely have more upside. Threads is a great card, but it's one reprint away from being $5.
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I don't like giving up a blue fetch for the new hotness that's not done cooling off yet.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I was worried I made a bad trade even though it's still relatively equal. He originally wanted my Delta but I managed to talk him down to taking a Strand for a bunch of in uncommons to make up the difference. I thought between blue KTK fetches, Delta is more valuable than Strand.
Cracked an Origins booster box today with some friends and I got the new Jace and a friend the new Liliana. Do you think I should trade him for her? I am mostly a casual / EDH player looking into modern and legacy. Price related who do you think is going to climb higher. Help me, MTGS hive mind!
Cracked an Origins booster box today with some friends and I got the new Jace and a friend the new Liliana. Do you think I should trade him for her? I am mostly a casual / EDH player looking into modern and legacy. Price related who do you think is going to climb higher. Help me, MTGS hive mind!
Currently, Jace is doing significantly better than Liliana. As in, you could ask for the Evolutionary Leap to be thrown in on your friend's side, and you're still down.
The second trade seems fine. Battlefield Forge has been printed to death already, so one cool Origins card for another seems perfectly fine.
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Cracked an Origins booster box today with some friends and I got the new Jace and a friend the new Liliana. Do you think I should trade him for her? I am mostly a casual / EDH player looking into modern and legacy. Price related who do you think is going to climb higher. Help me, MTGS hive mind!
Currently, Jace is doing significantly better than Liliana. As in, you could ask for the Evolutionary Leap to be thrown in on your friend's side, and you're still down.
The second trade seems fine. Battlefield Forge has been printed to death already, so one cool Origins card for another seems perfectly fine.
Thanks for the reply. The thing is that pricewise I am interested in long term gains since I never sell cards. Does Jace fits in more Vintage / Legacy / Modern archetypes than Liliana?
Cracked an Origins booster box today with some friends and I got the new Jace and a friend the new Liliana. Do you think I should trade him for her? I am mostly a casual / EDH player looking into modern and legacy. Price related who do you think is going to climb higher. Help me, MTGS hive mind!
Currently, Jace is doing significantly better than Liliana. As in, you could ask for the Evolutionary Leap to be thrown in on your friend's side, and you're still down.
The second trade seems fine. Battlefield Forge has been printed to death already, so one cool Origins card for another seems perfectly fine.
Thanks for the reply. The thing is that pricewise I am interested in long term gains since I never sell cards. Does Jace fits in more Vintage / Legacy / Modern archetypes than Liliana?
Difficult to see. Always in motion, is the future.
It's incredibly unlikely that either of them will be played in Vintage or Legacy (and if either one is played in Modern, it'll be Jace). The eternal format I'd look at is EDH. However, I don't see any reason to trade Jace 1:1 against Liliana, even if you're betting on Lili long-term. As of Friday, TCGMid puts 1 Jace at almost 2 Lilianas.
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Pile B
1x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1x Abbot of Keral Keep
3x Wild Slash
I need all the cards in question, including Nissa which is mine, but I don't need a foil copy. My only trouble is current pricing for all the Origins cards.
Pile B
1x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1x Abbot of Keral Keep
3x Wild Slash
I need all the cards in question, including Nissa which is mine, but I don't need a foil copy. My only trouble is current pricing for all the Origins cards.
Bearing in mind that I tend to take the long-long term view (usually measured in years) ...
I like foil Nissa better here. I don't see Jace sustaining his price superiority for too long. And Abbot has just spiked.
That said, if you need them all to play now, you're fine making that trade and then picking up a nonfoil later.
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Thanks KnickM, that's my worry. That I'm trading away a sought-after foil for a dollar ben rare and an eventually overplayed Planeswalker that may suck once everybody plays an answer for him in there decks.....plus some currently over-priced uncommons that will rotate sooner than Nissa.
CoCo is a great card, and with the recent clash pack printing, they're easy to get. That said, foil Siege Rhinos are also being pushed down by the clash pack. I'd take Pile B and go buy another clash pack to get my Company back
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Trade 1
Pile A
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin Ringleader
1 Atarka's Command promo
1 Steam Vents
Pile B
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Hallowed Moonlight
1 Exquisite Firecraft
Trade 2
Pile A
1 Tropical Island (revised)
1 Abbot of Kerral Keep (PreRelease foil)
Pile B
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3 Wooded Foothills
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Batterskull
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Asceticism
1 Amulet of Vigor
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Boros Charm
2 Silvergill Adept
Trade 3
Pile A
1 Day's Undoing
1 Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
Pile B
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 Exquisite FireCraft
1 Animists' awakening
2 Abbot of Kerral Keep
1 Scab-Clan Bezerker
4 Goblin Glorychaser
4 Subterranean Scout
4 Frenzied Goblin
Trade 4
Pile A
$20
Pile B
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
Obelisk of Urd
Mana Confluence
Woodland Bellower
Thopter Spy Network
Pretty sure Pile A is the right choice in all of these. (I am trading Pile A to acquire PWhat do you guys think of these trades?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409478
2x Blood Crypt (RTR)
1x Deathrite Shaman (RTR)
1x Avoid Fate (Timeshifted)
other pile: 22,5 euro (magiccardmarket)
1x Ugin, the spirit dragon (FRF)
It's ok valuewise by today's prices, but I don't know the trajectory of shocklands and deathrite shaman, whereas I do know standard cards are almost always priced to high. Is Ugin an exception and will he only rise in value due to his playability in modern tron?
Bobs are worth about $40-45 a pop. I would not wanna sell then for $26 a piece. They're gonna hold their value well too.
Yeah, I would wanna be pile a for this. Ugin has nowhere to go but down, the other cards have nowhere to go but up.
Modern
UBR Grixis Control
U Merfolk
Pauper
U Mono U Delver
Ancestral Visions is freed
Given that Kuberr posted prices in Euros, I'd say he's across the pond. Bob isn't doing well in Europe - he's readily available for 28 Euros for a NM-EX English copy. So, 26 Euros doesn't seem too bad. I think that's slightly undervalued in Europe, but really, any higher and you're priced out of the market.
OK, I'm going to disagree on this one. While Pile A does have shocklands, it's two Blood Crypts. Now that it's seen a reprint, Blood Crypt is the lame duck of shocklands. It's not really played in Modern, and most people just need one or two for EDH. Now, that could always change, but the bottom line is that they're easy to come by, even if they will be going up. Deathrite Shaman is banned in Modern, which really stalls its price. It's a fantastic Legacy card, but there are a lot of copies of DRS out there for all the Elf players. I think it'll go up, but sluggishly. Avoid Fate is filler.
Ugin ... has potential. He's playable in Modern Tron, although he competes with Karn. He's also a house in EDH. The thing is, though, he's also a planeswalker AND a dragon, which means that he has HUGE casual appeal. I would take Ugin here, although I'll definitely admit that it's far from cut and dried. It's entirely possible that he'll appear in next spring's duel deck, or tank with rotation, but I will bet that he does not.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409478
I'm ambivalent on this one. I like Hallowed Moonlight, and Tasigur and the Fetchlands are known quantities. I don't like Bellower. I'd probably take Pile B here, because Regents should be pretty easy to get.
Pile A, all the way. Pile B has some decent stuff, but nothing that compares to one of the best Revised duals.
Ehhhhh. Hyped card from the new set against some hyped cards from the new set. Pile A has more blowout potential - if Day's Undoing turns out to be a real thing, it'll go through the roof, whereas most of Pile B will have to turn out to be awesome in order to make a similar gain. Personally, I think that Pile B is made of better, more useful cards, but I think that their prices will be pretty stable going forward. So, Pile A if you want to gamble, Pile B if you want to play it safe.
I like Pile B here. That's some solid utility for twenty bucks.
Edit: Just as a personal note, I'm much less likely to respond to "wall of trades" than to one trade at a time. I don't know about other people, but I find myself sort of glazing over long posts.
I was debating on the Tropical Island trade. (FYI, I traded Pile A, to get Pile B in every trade). I'm always reluctant to trade duals, the main reason I did it was because I could use some of the cards in Commander, and the others (like DRS, Tasigur, etc) felt like good specs that might go up sometime in the hopefully not so distant future. Also, Tropical island has been trending down gradually since it's peak in early 2014.
However, I wonder if I should have asked for a bit more since I was "trading down". Though, I think I got good value out of the Abbot (I feel he was valued slightly higher than he's currently worth)
I'm also wondering if Crucible of worlds will drop gradually or start increasing in price.
Either way, I really appreciate the feedback. I hope I'll be able to utilize some of those cards in Modern decks, or they'll increase in price soon.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409478
Path to Exile - FNM promo
for
Languish - normal, non-foil
path is a card i never intend to play, or if i play, i'm not planning to use the most expensive version, also Languish is a card, that i need now.
on the other hand, if path can become 20 dollars+, i'd rather keep
I would make the trade. Path is going to go down in the short term as more of them are given out at FNM. Languish is also going to go down in the short term, as people open Origins. Languish will recover faster, and you need it now. Perhaps see if you can get a throw-in as well, since your card is more valuable, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Path can certainly become $20 at some point, but pack foils are probably going to be more desirable. The WPN promo hasn't hit $20 yet, and it's older and rarer. But that's definitely not a reason to hold it over a card you're going to play now.
It's my mantra in this thread: "need for a deck" trumps "this card will go up, I think".
Monastery Mentor
Ojutai Exemplars
Outpost Siege
Tasigur, the Golden Fang <- maybe i can replace this one with 2-3-4 lesser rares, as i would like to keep it for now
for this:
Remand - modern masters 2015
Threads of Disloyalty
i really need insight on Monastery Mentor, i really can't estimate it, will it rise post rotation?
it is a mythic from a middle set, with only a handful of chase cards
it is played in vintage and as far as i know in modern
Monastery Mentor is a card that seems to be generating a lot of questions here. I personally would take Pile A all day here - I think that the Mentor and Tasigur definitely have more upside. Threads is a great card, but it's one reprint away from being $5.
Pile A
Flooded Strand (KTK)
Atarka's Command
Thopter Spy Network
4x Jeskai Charm
2x Mystic Monastery
Pile B
Nissa, Vastwood Seer
Loxodon Warhammer (MIR)
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I don't like giving up a blue fetch for the new hotness that's not done cooling off yet.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I was worried I made a bad trade even though it's still relatively equal. He originally wanted my Delta but I managed to talk him down to taking a Strand for a bunch of in uncommons to make up the difference. I thought between blue KTK fetches, Delta is more valuable than Strand.
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P.S Also what are your thoughts me trading Battlefield Forge and Thopter Spy Network for Evolutionary Leap ?
Currently, Jace is doing significantly better than Liliana. As in, you could ask for the Evolutionary Leap to be thrown in on your friend's side, and you're still down.
The second trade seems fine. Battlefield Forge has been printed to death already, so one cool Origins card for another seems perfectly fine.
Thanks for the reply. The thing is that pricewise I am interested in long term gains since I never sell cards. Does Jace fits in more Vintage / Legacy / Modern archetypes than Liliana?
Difficult to see. Always in motion, is the future.
It's incredibly unlikely that either of them will be played in Vintage or Legacy (and if either one is played in Modern, it'll be Jace). The eternal format I'd look at is EDH. However, I don't see any reason to trade Jace 1:1 against Liliana, even if you're betting on Lili long-term. As of Friday, TCGMid puts 1 Jace at almost 2 Lilianas.
Pile A
1x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
Pile B
1x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1x Abbot of Keral Keep
3x Wild Slash
I need all the cards in question, including Nissa which is mine, but I don't need a foil copy. My only trouble is current pricing for all the Origins cards.
Bearing in mind that I tend to take the long-long term view (usually measured in years) ...
I like foil Nissa better here. I don't see Jace sustaining his price superiority for too long. And Abbot has just spiked.
That said, if you need them all to play now, you're fine making that trade and then picking up a nonfoil later.
Pile A:
Collected Company
Llanowar Wastes (Origins)
Pile B:
Siege Rhino (Pack Foil)
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CoCo is a great card, and with the recent clash pack printing, they're easy to get. That said, foil Siege Rhinos are also being pushed down by the clash pack. I'd take Pile B and go buy another clash pack to get my Company back
Timetwister (Ul)
Pile B:
2x Volcanic Island (Re)
1x Bayou (Re)
All cards LP.
Personally I like the lands here, obviously Timetwister is power, but it isn't even played really in Vintage.