SCG is buylist NM plateau at 50 + 25% trade in = 62.5
TCG is selling Nm plateau for 45 low.
Money maker difference: 17.5 dollars per plateau in the form of SCG credit.
Problem is whether or not you want 45 dollars tied up in the foam on SCG credits vs real money. Would be a good idea if your going to buy a lot from SCG
I think this will be anther one of SCG forced price grabs like the one over a year ago when they listed FOW for $100. Most people will not spend $300 for a blue dual or $80 for plateau. My bet is in 3 weeks the cards will move back close to their originally listed price.
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I think this will be anther one of SCG forced price grabs like the one over a year ago when they listed FOW for $100. Most people will not spend $300 for a blue dual or $80 for plateau. My bet is in 3 weeks the cards will move back close to their originally listed price.
Yeah I just noticed - they are having a March Madness Sale. Perhaps in a few days the cards will "go on sale" for the price they were last month.
... don't get me wrong I can see Tomb hitting $20 bucks one day (less then 15% here)...
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Well, lo and behold, that day is today. Ancient Tomb is up to $22 TCG Mid, with only about 7 copies under $18 remaining; all of those are beat up and most of them are sellers with only one copy left. Cheapest playset is going for just under $80 among those in SP or better condition. Star City has some FTV promos at $25 on sale, and is "out of stock" at $30.
So, is this Imperial Painter fallout, EDH demand, and/or Sneak and Show doing well. Those are the big three sources I can identify as driving this price increase.
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SCG sets very high prices for their high demand cards because they have the same prices at events as online. The prices of duals haven't gone up much. BINs on ebay seem similar, NM: plateau is $45, bayou is $105, tropical is $115, etc. All the prices are significantly under SCG, and always will be. Check out mtggoldfish for TCG mid prices history. Plateau and savannah have gone down, Tropical is within $5 of where it was 3 years ago. Have some duals gone up significantly? Yes, volcanic, underground, bayou but not all of them.
... don't get me wrong I can see Tomb hitting $20 bucks one day (less then 15% here)...
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Well, lo and behold, that day is today. Ancient Tomb is up to $22 TCG Mid, with only about 7 copies under $18 remaining; all of those are beat up and most of them are sellers with only one copy left. Cheapest playset is going for just under $80 among those in SP or better condition. Star City has some FTV promos at $25 on sale, and is "out of stock" at $30.
So, is this Imperial Painter fallout, EDH demand, and/or Sneak and Show doing well. Those are the big three sources I can identify as driving this price increase.
Could Also be Affinity, The deck in Legacy runs a playset of Tombs. Lots of affinity stuff is on the rise, not just modern only stuff either.
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Has this thread discussed Foil Spell Pierce has jumped from 24.99 to around 60-90 dollars? Any real reason for this besides it being one of the pillars of U Delver Tempo decks and a important tool in some U combo decks?
Has this thread discussed Foil Spell Pierce has jumped from 24.99 to around 60-90 dollars? Any real reason for this besides it being one of the pillars of U Delver Tempo decks and a important tool in some U combo decks?
It was discussed heavily in the MTG finance sub reddit which may have trigged a buyout. It remains to be seen if there are buyers at the "new price" or if it is simply artificial.
Does Legacy Affinity see a lot of play? I presume that the Tombs are to power out T2 Tezzerets, which makes sense - if it has recently had high-profile success at a large tournament, that would make sense, but in the absence of that or something else to make affinity more popular, I'm not sure if that would drive a spike of that magnitude.
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I am one of the folks that got cut out by that bit of speculation, as I was foiling out a deck and contemplating them a month back at $20 each. In terms of rarity, foil Spell Pierce is presumably MUCH more common than foil Daze or foil Brainstorm, which are both in the $100-ish range, so I think a push to $60+ won't last unless there's a corresponding increase in the others. I am of the view that foiling out permanents is more important than foiling out spells, and would rather blow $140 on a foil SFM on eBay than on a pair of foil Spell Pierce. If there's enough folks like me that prioritize the permanents over the spells, I think the price will settle out. This is a spell that will likely be reprinted in MM2 so more foils should hit the market, which would drive the price back to around the $10 that Spell Snare occupies.
Well, lo and behold, that day is today. Ancient Tomb is up to $22 TCG Mid, with only about 7 copies under $18 remaining; all of those are beat up and most of them are sellers with only one copy left. Cheapest playset is going for just under $80 among those in SP or better condition. Star City has some FTV promos at $25 on sale, and is "out of stock" at $30.
This is the result of Wasteland ticking up. Tomb is also an uncommon land from Tempest, has also been reprinted recently already, so speculators decided that it was time to pick some up. (The "Ah, why not" Syndrome) It's a very strong card, and at 10$/piece you could do much worse with your money. You could pick up 2 sets of these for the price of a single City of Traitors...
As a Legacy player, I can tell you not to believe the Plateau hype. The R/W dual isn't run in the format's Tier 1 RW decks- UWR Delver and UWR Miracles. It makes occasional appearances in the Tier 2 deck Goblins, and the kind of player that's still playing Goblins in March 2014 could swap it out for Sacred Foundry and not really lose much.
My dual land money this month is going towards Tundra and Bayou. If you're playing a Tier 1 fair deck, you need one of those two cards.
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Plateau is in the newest incarnation of Painter, which recently was in the Top 8 of a Grand Prix. Not saying I think everyone should rush out and buy Plateau -- R/W is easily the most non-complimentary of color combinations -- but there is at least a plausible reason for it's rise. Of note, it's rising along with City of Traitors, Imperial Recruiter, and Ancient Tomb, the other difficult-to-find staples of the Painter deck. Everything else in that deck is "budget," so it's an attractive entry point to the Legacy format.
I really just think all the dual are rising...just because. Taiga, Badlands, Scrubland, and Savannah are hardly used in anything that's been winning much lately, and all of those rose along with all the others.
It sure feels like StarCityGames is trying to kill off Legacy so they can move to Modern. I really can't imagine the format is going to continue to grow with duals priced like this. The alternative, I suppose, is that people are unwilling to sell at current buylist prices, so SCG's increase is so they can increase supply to make it available for demand. Either way, the costs are going to become prohibitive at some point, and prospective Legacy players will start thinking and doing what everyone did with Vintage back in the day: "Damn this is expensive...nobody plays Vintage anymore...StarCityGames isn't supporting Vintage anymore...oh, what's this new Legacy format? I can afford this!"
It's sad. Modern is lame (IMO, I recognize others don't feel that way -- though I can't imagine many people with equal access to both prefer Modern over Legacy). Collecting for Modern is also like collecting baseball cards in the early 90s -- none of the cards will be worth anything over time for the same reasons (huge print runs, everyone takes care of their cards so everything will always be NM, they can be reprinted at any time, etc.). Once StarCity stops supporting Legacy, the format will effectively die unless another enterprising company takes their place to support the format with touring tournaments.
Plateau will likely always be the cheapest dual land because boros as a color combination never gets anything new generally speaking. Whereas bayou at least had some great stuff printed for it in RTR (DRS and decay obviously) plateau will likely never see something printed at the level of DRS and decay in its color combinations AND in a deck that runs plateau as UWR doesn't run any because it doesn't cast brainstorm or ponder. And pure R/W decks in legacy can be counted on one hand: Goblins and painter lists splashing white. That's it. Neither of those decks is going to be played enough to push plateau above and beyond savannah, taiga, scrubland, etc. etc.
Saw tomb coming from a mile away. Legacy playable land that is unlikely to ever be reprinted again? It reeks of stoneforge mystic as well. SFM was 8-10 for quite a long time and then lo and behold SFM jumped up to 25-30. Legacy playable cards that see play as 4 ofs that aren't easy to find like tomb and such @$10 won't last, end of story.
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Stoneforge wasn't played as a 4-of until very recently. A year ago the only decks that played Stoneforge were decks like Maverick and Deadguy, which were 2-ofs at max. Esperblade also played it as a 2-of.
Then we suddenly have UWR and Death and Taxes, and the market has adjusted correspondingly.
Hindsight is always 20-20, but it was not too long ago that Bayou, Savannah and Scrubland were hardly used in competitive legacy either. I agree with all of the statements on the viability of Plateau in legacy TODAY, however I'm suggesting that Plateau has the potential to become a 'legacy huge gainer' because it's cheap and not on anybody's radar for all of the reasons mentioned by folks in the thread. "Never say never" in regards to cards being printed And the best time to buy cards is when they're not on competitive lists...
It sure feels like StarCityGames is trying to kill off Legacy so they can move to Modern. I really can't imagine the format is going to continue to grow with duals priced like this.
Spending gobs of money to buy up a product in attempt to make that product undesirable (and therefore unsellable) would be a *terrible* business move.
The alternative, I suppose, is that people are unwilling to sell at current buylist prices, so SCG's increase is so they can increase supply to make it available for demand.
Don't you think that this line of reasoning is much more plausible than your other one?
Bottom line is that we still have at least 9 months of Legacy Opens being hosted by SCG. They are a business that makes money by selling cards. If they don't have inventory to sell, they don't make money. Therefore, they are doing what they have to do in order to obtain that inventory.
SCG is buylist NM plateau at 50 + 25% trade in = 62.5
TCG is selling Nm plateau for 45 low.
Money maker difference: 17.5 dollars per plateau in the form of SCG credit.
Problem is whether or not you want 45 dollars tied up in the foam on SCG credits vs real money. Would be a good idea if your going to buy a lot from SCG
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Yeah I just noticed - they are having a March Madness Sale. Perhaps in a few days the cards will "go on sale" for the price they were last month.
Well, lo and behold, that day is today. Ancient Tomb is up to $22 TCG Mid, with only about 7 copies under $18 remaining; all of those are beat up and most of them are sellers with only one copy left. Cheapest playset is going for just under $80 among those in SP or better condition. Star City has some FTV promos at $25 on sale, and is "out of stock" at $30.
So, is this Imperial Painter fallout, EDH demand, and/or Sneak and Show doing well. Those are the big three sources I can identify as driving this price increase.
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Could Also be Affinity, The deck in Legacy runs a playset of Tombs. Lots of affinity stuff is on the rise, not just modern only stuff either.
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It was discussed heavily in the MTG finance sub reddit which may have trigged a buyout. It remains to be seen if there are buyers at the "new price" or if it is simply artificial.
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This is the result of Wasteland ticking up. Tomb is also an uncommon land from Tempest, has also been reprinted recently already, so speculators decided that it was time to pick some up. (The "Ah, why not" Syndrome) It's a very strong card, and at 10$/piece you could do much worse with your money. You could pick up 2 sets of these for the price of a single City of Traitors...
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My dual land money this month is going towards Tundra and Bayou. If you're playing a Tier 1 fair deck, you need one of those two cards.
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I really just think all the dual are rising...just because. Taiga, Badlands, Scrubland, and Savannah are hardly used in anything that's been winning much lately, and all of those rose along with all the others.
It sure feels like StarCityGames is trying to kill off Legacy so they can move to Modern. I really can't imagine the format is going to continue to grow with duals priced like this. The alternative, I suppose, is that people are unwilling to sell at current buylist prices, so SCG's increase is so they can increase supply to make it available for demand. Either way, the costs are going to become prohibitive at some point, and prospective Legacy players will start thinking and doing what everyone did with Vintage back in the day: "Damn this is expensive...nobody plays Vintage anymore...StarCityGames isn't supporting Vintage anymore...oh, what's this new Legacy format? I can afford this!"
It's sad. Modern is lame (IMO, I recognize others don't feel that way -- though I can't imagine many people with equal access to both prefer Modern over Legacy). Collecting for Modern is also like collecting baseball cards in the early 90s -- none of the cards will be worth anything over time for the same reasons (huge print runs, everyone takes care of their cards so everything will always be NM, they can be reprinted at any time, etc.). Once StarCity stops supporting Legacy, the format will effectively die unless another enterprising company takes their place to support the format with touring tournaments.
Saw tomb coming from a mile away. Legacy playable land that is unlikely to ever be reprinted again? It reeks of stoneforge mystic as well. SFM was 8-10 for quite a long time and then lo and behold SFM jumped up to 25-30. Legacy playable cards that see play as 4 ofs that aren't easy to find like tomb and such @$10 won't last, end of story.
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Then we suddenly have UWR and Death and Taxes, and the market has adjusted correspondingly.
Spending gobs of money to buy up a product in attempt to make that product undesirable (and therefore unsellable) would be a *terrible* business move.
Don't you think that this line of reasoning is much more plausible than your other one?
Bottom line is that we still have at least 9 months of Legacy Opens being hosted by SCG. They are a business that makes money by selling cards. If they don't have inventory to sell, they don't make money. Therefore, they are doing what they have to do in order to obtain that inventory.