I think Sorin is worth more than the credit it is getting, everyone over here wants one as they are selling higher than fetchs on ebay from what i remember. I would trade a fetch for one in a hearbeat. Glad Cobra is cooling off as it should not be worth 30, ludicrous as it needs some kind of building around or its virtually a bird otherwise. I think the Mob will go up once blue is/if back in business in standard ( watch it go up like KoTR) and it doesn't have a deck and timmies don't care about it. Also, it probably is too slow for older formats so people probably take that into consideration- long run will not be worth much, but I hope I'm wrong. Green doesn't need Nissa, and perhaps it is better without her anyway. Archive TRap is a strange card, where people consider it valuable, but its price is so low, I think it has few fans, but the fans are hardcore and when all it said and done, this will be one of the most concretely priced cards in Zendikar. I saw a Japanese Foil sell highly, while other cards sold low in comparison during a slew of ebay Japanese foil auctions. I think Verdant Catacombs is more popular than Misty R. I hate bloodghast, but it will probably be worth more than everything else in the set once Zendikar is old news, except probably fetchs,sorin, doj...
If youll notice they made a point of saying that they were getting rid of the anti-regenn cards in favor of cards that didnt just have that tacked on to help support regeneration as a mechanic they wanted to keep going for the future of the game. Thus cards like terror, incinerate, and wrath were taken out in favor of doomblade, lightning bolt, and day of judgment. I know a lot of people could care less about regeneration getting any love, but I imagine over the next year we will begin to see the fruits of that adjustment as more regeneration creature are introduced and it makes a comeback as a mechanic in competitive play.
Riiiiiiight. Because otherwise we wouldn't have a chance to see these awesome Cudgel Troll/River Boa decks dominate, right? Don't get me wrong, Day of Judgment is a good card. Extremely good. But that it's sooooo similar to long-time reprint staple Wrath of God just rubs me the wrong way. I think if they were truly serious about regen having a bigger role they'd have printed more than River Boa and Savage Silhouette in the set.
Ehhh, getting off topic... I'm sure it will be in M11 and will go down so I can pick up a few then. Until then, I'm gonna side River Boa as my anti DoJ tech.
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Which is probably why you don't play the Mob on the first turn. Duh. At the PreRe I had it up to a 14/14. Opponent couldn't do anything except weep real hard. The key part? I didn't play it until I had 5 lands in play with appropriate protection as backup. Of course, Harrow helped a lot too.
Exactly my point. You have to wait till you have 5 lands in play. To play a 1/1... Why not just play a Baneslayer if you have to wait for 5 lands? I'm sure in a limited game he's pretty good, but constructed I think he's simply too slow for his effect on the game. Maybe if he had trample... He's already gone down in price and I doubt he will come back up.
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Progenitus nor Tarmogoyf have trample, yet they are key players in a lot of decks. How would this make Scute Mob any different from these?
The only difference here would be that of the three, Progenitus is the only one with a fixed power and toughness, whereas Scute Mob and Tarmpgoyf have variable p/t arrangements; Scute Mob's continues to grow no matter what, and Tarmo fluctuates depending on what's in the graveyard.
Neither have trample or another form of evasion.
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Progenitus nor Tarmogoyf have trample, yet they are key players in a lot of decks. How would this make Scute Mob any different from these?
The only difference here would be that of the three, Progenitus is the only one with a fixed power and toughness, whereas Scute Mob and Tarmpgoyf have variable p/t arrangements; Scute Mob's continues to grow no matter what, and Tarmo fluctuates depending on what's in the graveyard.
Neither have trample or another form of evasion.
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Progenitus has pro everything. That is literally the most powerful form of evasion you can have. And Goyf works by being an efficient beatstick, not an evasive one.
Riiiiiiight. Because otherwise we wouldn't have a chance to see these awesome Cudgel Troll/River Boa decks dominate, right? Don't get me wrong, Day of Judgment is a good card. Extremely good. But that it's sooooo similar to long-time reprint staple Wrath of God just rubs me the wrong way. I think if they were truly serious about regen having a bigger role they'd have printed more than River Boa and Savage Silhouette in the set.
Ehhh, getting off topic... I'm sure it will be in M11 and will go down so I can pick up a few then. Until then, I'm gonna side River Boa as my anti DoJ tech.
Exactly my point. You have to wait till you have 5 lands in play. To play a 1/1... Why not just play a Baneslayer if you have to wait for 5 lands? I'm sure in a limited game he's pretty good, but constructed I think he's simply too slow for his effect on the game. Maybe if he had trample... He's already gone down in price and I doubt he will come back up.
I did specify that we would likely see more of regeneration "over the next year". They arent just going to change it up and then flood the sets with good regeneration creatures. Its going to be a gradual process. Patience is a virtue as they say. Now, if in a year, we dont see hardly any good regeneration creatures to which these changes would end up mattering, then I would be with you that the change would have been dumb. However if in a year we are shown the direction wizards is taking, then I think people will grow to understand it more.
Progenitus has pro everything. That is literally the most powerful form of evasion you can have. And Goyf works by being an efficient beatstick, not an evasive one.
I think too many people are looking at Scute Mob the wrong way, it is similar to Tarmogoyf but unlike Goyf which was equally good in both control and aggro decks, Scute Mob is much better suited to control where you can cast it with a spare mana and keep the rest of your mana available for removal/counters. Unfortunately that style of control deck isn't very viable at the moment, perhaps if the meta shifts again Scute Mob will get it's chance to shine.
As for the list, no surprises there, the only real surprise as R_E already mentioned was the simple fact there has been barely any movement.
Except Scute Mob isn't a 1 mana 5/5. He's a one man 1/1 that can possibly become a 5/5 or 9/9 if nobody deals 1 damage to him before he gets his counters. He is also always a 1/1 until turn 6 minimum unless you are playing ramp, in which case you have better options.
With goyf you can go T1 Fetch, thoughtseize or duress an artifact, T2 play a 3/4 goyf.
You obviously have no experience against a pro-player playing Warp World decks. They do not need to cast Warp World to win at all. Warp World just makes the job better. Fetches with Rampaging Baloths and Ob Nixilis can easily win you the game. Play before you make those comments. Warp World is becoming a bigger deck and will become Tier 1 or close to Tier 1. It's match up against Jund after sideboarding is 50-50.
Problem is, its likely going to lost game 1 most of the time, and then with only a 50-50 chance after sideboarding, out of three games, on average you will lose the match 2 games to 1 in their favor. Sorry to say but as much potential as warp world might have on paper, it just usually doesnt have enough to be considered a tier 1 deck these days.
Well, it was time for an update again, so here you all go. As per usual prices were determined using average ebay completed listings values for items that actually sold, low end ebay buy-it-nows for current listings, and cross referenced occasionally against online stores.
Top Rares and Mythics:
Lotus Cobra: $17
Verdant Catacombs: $15
Misty Rainforest: $12.50
Arid Mesa: $12.50
Scalding Tarn: $12.50
Marsh Flats: $12.50
Sorin Markov: $12
Day of Judgement: $10
Ob Nixilis the Fallen: $9
Nissa Revane: $9
Bloodghast: $8
Iona Shield of Emeria: $6
Warren Instigator: $6
Mindbreak Trap: $5.50
Chandra Ablaze: $5.50
Goblin Guide: $4.50
Bloodchief Ascension: $4
Archive Trap: $4
Luminarch Ascension: $3.50
Malakir Bloodwitch: $3.50
Scute Mob: $3
Kalitas Bloodchief of Ghet: $3
Rampaging Baloths: $3
Eldrazi Monument: $3
Felidar Sovereign: $2.50
Conqueror's Pledge: $2
Sphinx of Jwar Isle: $2
Everything else is less than $2
All in all now that standard is starting to shape up a little better as more results become available some of the cards with more play have started to increase (Verdant Catacombs, Sphinx of Jwar Isle primarily). Some stayed the same as there was enough play and demand to keep their price, while most decreased at least a little as demand begins to decrease in general for the set as we reach the 1 month mark and like m10 begins to mark the decline in values for many of the rares from the set which is often seen earlier but because of the supply issues as with m10 it was artificially propped up for longer than normal.
Lotus cobra looks to settle at $15 as many people suggested it probably would as its decline has begun to slow as it gets closer and closer to that amount (which incidently is 1/2 of its starting value on release day). Overall the set dropped another $20 or so in total value from my last update, further showing that the set is beginning to settle more rapidly.
On another note, it sounds like the next print run of boxes should be available in about 2 weeks, and at the same time it sounds like magic online will finally have their redemption up and available for zendikar. So I suppose in general one should expect the market to start being flooded with product again within about 2-3 weeks which should hasten the decline in prices.
Hey Jeff, can you comment on the trend of foil basic prices? Seems like they go for around $3 a piece bulk still. What do you think the price will be for the long run?
Dang i need to be buying from jeff. His prices are better than most online places i buy from. Some places still have misty rain forest being the top fetch
Hey Jeff, can you comment on the trend of foil basic prices? Seems like they go for around $3 a piece bulk still. What do you think the price will be for the long run?
Correct. The foil zendikar lands are still going for about $3 each. I know I sold out of everything I had openned early on, havent had anyone specifically looking for them in a little bit at the shop though. Online prices are still selling in the $3 range though for bulk zendikar foil lands though.
The full secondary print run comes up in about 2 weeks. There was a much smaller secondary print run that was released within a week or so of the initial release of zendikar but thats come and gone a while ago now.
I've had a listing for BIN at $60 free shipping for foil Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa and Rootbound Crag and it's been sitting for several days. I think it's a great deal. Go figure.
I've had a listing for BIN at $60 free shipping for foil Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa and Rootbound Crag and it's been sitting for several days. I think it's a great deal. Go figure.
In general when it comes to foils like that, you wont get as much out of a "lot" or combination of cards than you will selling them individually. This is why sets or collections always sell for less than the cards would individually added up.
People are willing to pay more for the specific cards they are looking for than for the one card they want and a couple cards they may not need.
Your theory never seems to work in my favor when I'm the shopper. ; )
Also, you will note that playsets often sell for an inflated amount compared to singles. Granted the cards I have listed are not a playset but RW sees play in the #2 deck (Boros Bushwacker), Rootbound Crag sees play in the #1 deck (Jund) which leaves RU which is really the most desirable eternal format land out of all the new fetches. To me, if I were in the market to buy foil lands, and I were taking the market into consideration, wouldn't I buy this up? So my conclusion is that values of foil lands are coming down closer to $20± for fetches and $15± for M10 duals.
Your theory never seems to work in my favor when I'm the shopper. ; )
Also, you will note that playsets often sell for an inflated amount compared to singles. Granted the cards I have listed are not a playset but RW sees play in the #2 deck (Boros Bushwacker), Rootbound Crag sees play in the #1 deck (Jund) which leaves RU which is really the most desirable eternal format land out of all the new fetches. To me, if I were in the market to buy foil lands, and I were taking the market into consideration, wouldn't I buy this up? So my conclusion is that values of foil lands are coming down closer to $20± for fetches and $15± for M10 duals.
Trust me, Ive been in the card buying/selling business now for over 10 years. And your example of the playset only applies to cards that are normally more dificult to find in playset form. Harder to find mythics, or foil rares/mythics that hold high value usually fall into this category where a playset will somtimes sell for more than the normal value (invidivually) of the cards because they are able to conveniently get all 4 cards from the same place. Also to clarify when I said "set" I actually did mean Complete set. Like a complete set of m10, or a complete set of zendikar. That was not in reference to a playset of cards. Also if you want to double check my work you can check the completed listings available on ebay for how much the cards have actually sold for recently. Also you can check the available buy-it-now listings (sorting by lowest price/shipping first helps), and you can check magiccards.info for a summary of prices from a variety of online stores to also price check stuff (for foils you will need to go into the "show all" section to be able to see the full list including foils at the bottom.
And just because a few cards may be very popular in the format, if they are not from the same deck, or are not the same card, they will usually not sell as well as they would individually. Most people are usually looking for a playset or singles of a particular card or cards they may need to complete their collection or deck as the case may be. A variety of cards that do not fit into these categories unless it is at a solid discount (30% off or more from the total combined value of the cards in the listing) are not likely to sell as fast as they might if they were listed individually and discounted the same way.
That said, you do have to keep in mind, especially for auction style listings (when price checking) that some will be lower and some will be higher, its just the nature of auction style listings that they can be much more likely to fluctuate.
Also if you are selling on ebay, people will tend to flock to people with higher ratings, powersellers, or the like that have a solid track record of selling on ebay, as well as selling from the US will allmost always net you higher sales because of the risks of buying internationally. There is a lot that goes into price checking cards to be able to sell them as consistently as possible or as quickly as possible. Anyhow, sorry for the lengthy explanation, but I wanted to clarify and defend where I was coming from, from my posts. I hope the information is helpful.
Just wanted to share that there are still no Zen or M10 boosters down here in "PACLAND" (Philippines).
Is the 2nd printing already out?
I agree that Zen prices are now stable and low compared to M10 rare/mythics. I think I will gamble on opening M10 box once they arrive in our shores. Magic gods, please give some Baneslayer luv....
I think too many people are looking at Scute Mob the wrong way, it is similar to Tarmogoyf but unlike Goyf which was equally good in both control and aggro decks, Scute Mob is much better suited to control where you can cast it with a spare mana and keep the rest of your mana available for removal/counters. Unfortunately that style of control deck isn't very viable at the moment, perhaps if the meta shifts again Scute Mob will get it's chance to shine.
I believe a RGU control deck could make it work. Between Pyroclasm and Earthquake, I think a counterburn strategy is itching for its day. Scute Mob would fit the deck perfectly, IMO.
Just wanted to share that there are still no Zen or M10 boosters down here in "PACLAND" (Philippines).
Is the 2nd printing already out?
I agree that Zen prices are now stable and low compared to M10 rare/mythics. I think I will gamble on opening M10 box once they arrive in our shores. Magic gods, please give some Baneslayer luv....
Both m10 and zendikar (according to our distributors) are supposed to have another print run (bigger for zendikar, probably smaller for m10) in about 2 weeks here. Dont know when it will be available overseas though.
How come seller kidicarus2000 from eBay seems to be, not running out of products? (Zen, M10) I have been buying stuff from them all through out the drought.
How come seller kidicarus2000 from eBay seems to be, not running out of products? (Zen, M10) I have been buying stuff from them all through out the drought.
Well, he sells singles. And it depends as well. If he bought as many boxes as I and other singles sellers possibly did (by wicked early pre-order) its quite possible he has had no issue having enough product. Also if he was dealing with getting and redeeming sets off of magic online its quite possible he could have gone and gotten as much product as he wanted/needed. In the US it wasnt so much that there was none available it was that distributors ran out. So the secondary market was the only option. Which meant higher prices for boxes for everyone. I have had enough product in m10 and zendikar to easily cover the insane sales I have been doing at the shop I sell at as well as a decent amount of online selling when I have had time as well (on ebay). I was able to get 150 boxes of m10 within the first month of its release, and could have gotten more from the two supplemental print runs they had for m10 after that before zendikar came out. Right now there are still a lot of zendikar boxes out there but they are just more expensive than normal for the time being. Zendikar for example I have openned or am currently in the process of openning a total of 175 boxes.
As before though this is talking about availability within the US. International availability from what Ive heard can be much different and often product is available in much smaller quantities when it comes to supplemental print runs and the like. But you would have to check with other international sellers to get a better idea.
If I wouldnt have put in an order for 100 boxes of m10 and 100 boxes of zendikar as early as I did through our distributors we wouldnt have had a prayer of getting as much product as we did. But I recognized how good m10 was early on and decided to up my normal order from 50 to 100 boxes. And after the supply issues, we put our order in for zendikar (didnt have to pay until the week before the release) the week after m10 was released and I went for it again even knowing nothing about the set and put in an order for 100 boxes, and eventually ended up adding another 30 boxes to that. Since then we have been able to get more from time to time through our distributors, though usually in limited quantities and at higher prices than normal for zendikar and Ive picked up another 45 boxes during the last month since the release.
Anyhow, I know what I do to keep myself continuously thoroughly stocked for the shop I sell at, as well as my online sales which I TRY to get listed once every two weeks, though lately sales at the shop have been so strong that I havent had the time to do any ebay selling. Hoping to get some listing done this next week though and get another batch of standard rare listings in before the end of the month.
Anyhow, sorry for the long explanation again, but thats my guess as to how someone like kidicarus and myself can have such a continuous supply of product. I know in our area our shop is about the only place to get ahold of a continuous supply of standard singles and plenty of them. I pride myself on keeping a full stock of all standard (and even extended for the most part) singles on hand at all times, keeping prices updated at the very least every other week, and making sure to restock what rares I may sell through during the week on Fridays when I come in to help run our FNM standard tournaments (of which we broke our previous record and hit a total of 46 people today for) It was quite crazy to say the least, but everyone had a good time :).
It just goes to show that if you provide the best product at the best price, and a good play environment with a high level of customer service it will keep the customer base growing and keep people coming back for more.
I'm not sure - since there's probably a lot of circulation of both of them around.
Given that many cards went down, especially the mythics, nissa stayed which helped to show its strength, and Oran Rief did indeed go up, not an amazing about, but some.
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Riiiiiiight. Because otherwise we wouldn't have a chance to see these awesome Cudgel Troll/River Boa decks dominate, right? Don't get me wrong, Day of Judgment is a good card. Extremely good. But that it's sooooo similar to long-time reprint staple Wrath of God just rubs me the wrong way. I think if they were truly serious about regen having a bigger role they'd have printed more than River Boa and Savage Silhouette in the set.
Ehhh, getting off topic... I'm sure it will be in M11 and will go down so I can pick up a few then. Until then, I'm gonna side River Boa as my anti DoJ tech.
Exactly my point. You have to wait till you have 5 lands in play. To play a 1/1... Why not just play a Baneslayer if you have to wait for 5 lands? I'm sure in a limited game he's pretty good, but constructed I think he's simply too slow for his effect on the game. Maybe if he had trample... He's already gone down in price and I doubt he will come back up.
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The only difference here would be that of the three, Progenitus is the only one with a fixed power and toughness, whereas Scute Mob and Tarmpgoyf have variable p/t arrangements; Scute Mob's continues to grow no matter what, and Tarmo fluctuates depending on what's in the graveyard.
Neither have trample or another form of evasion.
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Progenitus has pro everything. That is literally the most powerful form of evasion you can have. And Goyf works by being an efficient beatstick, not an evasive one.
I did specify that we would likely see more of regeneration "over the next year". They arent just going to change it up and then flood the sets with good regeneration creatures. Its going to be a gradual process. Patience is a virtue as they say. Now, if in a year, we dont see hardly any good regeneration creatures to which these changes would end up mattering, then I would be with you that the change would have been dumb. However if in a year we are shown the direction wizards is taking, then I think people will grow to understand it more.
A one mana 5/5 or 9/9 is an efficient beatstick.
As for the list, no surprises there, the only real surprise as R_E already mentioned was the simple fact there has been barely any movement.
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Except Scute Mob isn't a 1 mana 5/5. He's a one man 1/1 that can possibly become a 5/5 or 9/9 if nobody deals 1 damage to him before he gets his counters. He is also always a 1/1 until turn 6 minimum unless you are playing ramp, in which case you have better options.
With goyf you can go T1 Fetch, thoughtseize or duress an artifact, T2 play a 3/4 goyf.
Problem is, its likely going to lost game 1 most of the time, and then with only a 50-50 chance after sideboarding, out of three games, on average you will lose the match 2 games to 1 in their favor. Sorry to say but as much potential as warp world might have on paper, it just usually doesnt have enough to be considered a tier 1 deck these days.
Top Rares and Mythics:
Lotus Cobra: $17
Verdant Catacombs: $15
Misty Rainforest: $12.50
Arid Mesa: $12.50
Scalding Tarn: $12.50
Marsh Flats: $12.50
Sorin Markov: $12
Day of Judgement: $10
Ob Nixilis the Fallen: $9
Nissa Revane: $9
Bloodghast: $8
Iona Shield of Emeria: $6
Warren Instigator: $6
Mindbreak Trap: $5.50
Chandra Ablaze: $5.50
Goblin Guide: $4.50
Bloodchief Ascension: $4
Archive Trap: $4
Luminarch Ascension: $3.50
Malakir Bloodwitch: $3.50
Scute Mob: $3
Kalitas Bloodchief of Ghet: $3
Rampaging Baloths: $3
Eldrazi Monument: $3
Felidar Sovereign: $2.50
Conqueror's Pledge: $2
Sphinx of Jwar Isle: $2
Everything else is less than $2
All in all now that standard is starting to shape up a little better as more results become available some of the cards with more play have started to increase (Verdant Catacombs, Sphinx of Jwar Isle primarily). Some stayed the same as there was enough play and demand to keep their price, while most decreased at least a little as demand begins to decrease in general for the set as we reach the 1 month mark and like m10 begins to mark the decline in values for many of the rares from the set which is often seen earlier but because of the supply issues as with m10 it was artificially propped up for longer than normal.
Lotus cobra looks to settle at $15 as many people suggested it probably would as its decline has begun to slow as it gets closer and closer to that amount (which incidently is 1/2 of its starting value on release day). Overall the set dropped another $20 or so in total value from my last update, further showing that the set is beginning to settle more rapidly.
On another note, it sounds like the next print run of boxes should be available in about 2 weeks, and at the same time it sounds like magic online will finally have their redemption up and available for zendikar. So I suppose in general one should expect the market to start being flooded with product again within about 2-3 weeks which should hasten the decline in prices.
Correct. The foil zendikar lands are still going for about $3 each. I know I sold out of everything I had openned early on, havent had anyone specifically looking for them in a little bit at the shop though. Online prices are still selling in the $3 range though for bulk zendikar foil lands though.
Foil Fetch Lands:
Arid Mesa: $25
Marsh Flats: $25
Misty Rainforest: $40
Scalding Tarn: $32.50
Verdant Catacombs: $35
The full secondary print run comes up in about 2 weeks. There was a much smaller secondary print run that was released within a week or so of the initial release of zendikar but thats come and gone a while ago now.
I've had a listing for BIN at $60 free shipping for foil Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa and Rootbound Crag and it's been sitting for several days. I think it's a great deal. Go figure.
In general when it comes to foils like that, you wont get as much out of a "lot" or combination of cards than you will selling them individually. This is why sets or collections always sell for less than the cards would individually added up.
People are willing to pay more for the specific cards they are looking for than for the one card they want and a couple cards they may not need.
Just something to keep in mind
Also, you will note that playsets often sell for an inflated amount compared to singles. Granted the cards I have listed are not a playset but RW sees play in the #2 deck (Boros Bushwacker), Rootbound Crag sees play in the #1 deck (Jund) which leaves RU which is really the most desirable eternal format land out of all the new fetches. To me, if I were in the market to buy foil lands, and I were taking the market into consideration, wouldn't I buy this up? So my conclusion is that values of foil lands are coming down closer to $20± for fetches and $15± for M10 duals.
Trust me, Ive been in the card buying/selling business now for over 10 years. And your example of the playset only applies to cards that are normally more dificult to find in playset form. Harder to find mythics, or foil rares/mythics that hold high value usually fall into this category where a playset will somtimes sell for more than the normal value (invidivually) of the cards because they are able to conveniently get all 4 cards from the same place. Also to clarify when I said "set" I actually did mean Complete set. Like a complete set of m10, or a complete set of zendikar. That was not in reference to a playset of cards. Also if you want to double check my work you can check the completed listings available on ebay for how much the cards have actually sold for recently. Also you can check the available buy-it-now listings (sorting by lowest price/shipping first helps), and you can check magiccards.info for a summary of prices from a variety of online stores to also price check stuff (for foils you will need to go into the "show all" section to be able to see the full list including foils at the bottom.
And just because a few cards may be very popular in the format, if they are not from the same deck, or are not the same card, they will usually not sell as well as they would individually. Most people are usually looking for a playset or singles of a particular card or cards they may need to complete their collection or deck as the case may be. A variety of cards that do not fit into these categories unless it is at a solid discount (30% off or more from the total combined value of the cards in the listing) are not likely to sell as fast as they might if they were listed individually and discounted the same way.
That said, you do have to keep in mind, especially for auction style listings (when price checking) that some will be lower and some will be higher, its just the nature of auction style listings that they can be much more likely to fluctuate.
Also if you are selling on ebay, people will tend to flock to people with higher ratings, powersellers, or the like that have a solid track record of selling on ebay, as well as selling from the US will allmost always net you higher sales because of the risks of buying internationally. There is a lot that goes into price checking cards to be able to sell them as consistently as possible or as quickly as possible. Anyhow, sorry for the lengthy explanation, but I wanted to clarify and defend where I was coming from, from my posts. I hope the information is helpful.
Is the 2nd printing already out?
I agree that Zen prices are now stable and low compared to M10 rare/mythics. I think I will gamble on opening M10 box once they arrive in our shores. Magic gods, please give some Baneslayer luv....
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I believe a RGU control deck could make it work. Between Pyroclasm and Earthquake, I think a counterburn strategy is itching for its day. Scute Mob would fit the deck perfectly, IMO.
Both m10 and zendikar (according to our distributors) are supposed to have another print run (bigger for zendikar, probably smaller for m10) in about 2 weeks here. Dont know when it will be available overseas though.
How come seller kidicarus2000 from eBay seems to be, not running out of products? (Zen, M10) I have been buying stuff from them all through out the drought.
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Well, he sells singles. And it depends as well. If he bought as many boxes as I and other singles sellers possibly did (by wicked early pre-order) its quite possible he has had no issue having enough product. Also if he was dealing with getting and redeeming sets off of magic online its quite possible he could have gone and gotten as much product as he wanted/needed. In the US it wasnt so much that there was none available it was that distributors ran out. So the secondary market was the only option. Which meant higher prices for boxes for everyone. I have had enough product in m10 and zendikar to easily cover the insane sales I have been doing at the shop I sell at as well as a decent amount of online selling when I have had time as well (on ebay). I was able to get 150 boxes of m10 within the first month of its release, and could have gotten more from the two supplemental print runs they had for m10 after that before zendikar came out. Right now there are still a lot of zendikar boxes out there but they are just more expensive than normal for the time being. Zendikar for example I have openned or am currently in the process of openning a total of 175 boxes.
As before though this is talking about availability within the US. International availability from what Ive heard can be much different and often product is available in much smaller quantities when it comes to supplemental print runs and the like. But you would have to check with other international sellers to get a better idea.
If I wouldnt have put in an order for 100 boxes of m10 and 100 boxes of zendikar as early as I did through our distributors we wouldnt have had a prayer of getting as much product as we did. But I recognized how good m10 was early on and decided to up my normal order from 50 to 100 boxes. And after the supply issues, we put our order in for zendikar (didnt have to pay until the week before the release) the week after m10 was released and I went for it again even knowing nothing about the set and put in an order for 100 boxes, and eventually ended up adding another 30 boxes to that. Since then we have been able to get more from time to time through our distributors, though usually in limited quantities and at higher prices than normal for zendikar and Ive picked up another 45 boxes during the last month since the release.
Anyhow, I know what I do to keep myself continuously thoroughly stocked for the shop I sell at, as well as my online sales which I TRY to get listed once every two weeks, though lately sales at the shop have been so strong that I havent had the time to do any ebay selling. Hoping to get some listing done this next week though and get another batch of standard rare listings in before the end of the month.
Anyhow, sorry for the long explanation again, but thats my guess as to how someone like kidicarus and myself can have such a continuous supply of product. I know in our area our shop is about the only place to get ahold of a continuous supply of standard singles and plenty of them. I pride myself on keeping a full stock of all standard (and even extended for the most part) singles on hand at all times, keeping prices updated at the very least every other week, and making sure to restock what rares I may sell through during the week on Fridays when I come in to help run our FNM standard tournaments (of which we broke our previous record and hit a total of 46 people today for) It was quite crazy to say the least, but everyone had a good time :).
It just goes to show that if you provide the best product at the best price, and a good play environment with a high level of customer service it will keep the customer base growing and keep people coming back for more.
I'm not sure - since there's probably a lot of circulation of both of them around.
Given that many cards went down, especially the mythics, nissa stayed which helped to show its strength, and Oran Rief did indeed go up, not an amazing about, but some.