So I've been trying to finish TES and getting a set of LEDs has been a pain. Few seem to have them and even fewer want to part with them, on the trade forums anyway. It's strange that the card has also stayed relatively flat in price as many many Legacy staples have gone up. It's the kind of card that is absolutely REQUIRED as a 4-of for the decks that it goes in, and basically is the card that enables Legacy combo to function. Why hasn't this gone up?
Do you guys think it has potential to increase? I want to build combo just to have it sitting around to play since it doesn't interfere with any of my other decks, but naturally I thought about the longterm growth of LED. I don't see it being banned in Legacy anytime soon, and Force of Will and to a lesser extent Duress, Thoughtseize Ethersworn Canonist and Mindbreak Trap keep combo from running rampant in the environment. And as I mentioned you absolutely need them to run TES, ANT, Belcher, full speed versions of Dredge, and as the enabler in various other decks that can abuse the mana/graveyard. Plus it hasn't seen print in a long time, and Mirage is getting more and more scarce. So anyone else think it has the potential to make decent gains now in the new Legacy marketplace? Or does a TES/ANT/Belcher deck need to win an SCG Open or something for it to really skyrocket? Just curious, any opinions are appreciated as always.
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If Hightide gets booted by a rebanning or a new banning TES will be the next deck to turn to on combo. Just buy the LEDS. No one really wants to part with anything legacy anymore without you ripping yourself off.
Well I did manage to pick up my set (one more to go, technicially but it's already traded for). Still, I was just wondering if LEDs will spike in general. I haven't found moving or trading for Legacy staples all that hard recently either, except for LED being slightly more difficult than usual, that's all.
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Currently playing:
Vintage - Meandeck MUD
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Extended - BantUGW
Standard - Big RedR, UB ControlBU, Eldrazi GreenG
EDH/Commander - Thrun, the Last TrollG, Gwendolyn Di CorciBUR, Venser, Shaper SavantU
Yup Vik, get off MUD and go win an open with TES/ANT I'd keep mine for awhile, after all I think it's comparable to black lotus in its archetypes, and lotus doesn't allow you to achieve hellbent.
Well, it IS kind of limited. I mean, there's like only 3-4 decks that play it (ANT/TES/LED Dredge/Belcher) and those are kind of fringe anyway since they're extremely hard to play. It's not like Force of Will, where it's an auto-include in blue. So I can't see it going DOWN, but I don't see it jumping either.
Legacy always has a trend of slightly increasing with time. LEDs will go up if only because more people will be willing to buy and less will be willing to sell. It's the whole plight that's causing the stores to raise their prices. A lot of staples are absorbed by the community and not for sale.
I think it has the potential to increase, but I don't think it will increase as quickly or as fast as other staples. Here's my reasoning: new Legacy players don't dive right in to combo. The only "easy" combo deck to play is Belcher, and that's just not a good choice nor a fun deck to play unless you really enjoy repeatedly flipping a coin. People who are more established in Legacy are the ones picking up LEDs to play combo, and they're probably just trading Legacy staples that they already own for them. So the answer is that combo has a much-delayed and weakened boost from more players entering the Legacy market.
So I've been trying to finish TES and getting a set of LEDs has been a pain. Few seem to have them and even fewer want to part with them, on the trade forums anyway. It's strange that the card has also stayed relatively flat in price as many many Legacy staples have gone up. It's the kind of card that is absolutely REQUIRED as a 4-of for the decks that it goes in, and basically is the card that enables Legacy combo to function. Why hasn't this gone up?
Do you guys think it has potential to increase? I want to build combo just to have it sitting around to play since it doesn't interfere with any of my other decks, but naturally I thought about the longterm growth of LED. I don't see it being banned in Legacy anytime soon, and Force of Will and to a lesser extent Duress, Thoughtseize Ethersworn Canonist and Mindbreak Trap keep combo from running rampant in the environment. And as I mentioned you absolutely need them to run TES, ANT, Belcher, full speed versions of Dredge, and as the enabler in various other decks that can abuse the mana/graveyard. Plus it hasn't seen print in a long time, and Mirage is getting more and more scarce. So anyone else think it has the potential to make decent gains now in the new Legacy marketplace? Or does a TES/ANT/Belcher deck need to win an SCG Open or something for it to really skyrocket? Just curious, any opinions are appreciated as always.
If the spike in things like wasteland, duals, and Forces is caused by an influx of interest in legacy from people who are new to the format, the first decks many of them jump at if they are coming over from standard are decks that they understand with cards they understand. People coming into legacy from alara block standard forward are not going to get it right away why LED is good as opposed "Super-Tech Edge" and "Free Counterspell."
I'm rather new to legacy, and I saw LED for the first time and thought, "what? that's terrible, what are you going to do with the mana now that you've dumped your hand?" and then I got my face stormed off. Whereas I saw Force of Will and thought "Sweet! I can tap out for a win con and still have a counter to back it up with. that's brilliant (and also not how you use force of will)" Big turn fast combo just doesn't exist in the recent standard environment so new players don't get it, and don't want to start by playing something so different.
I think this might have something to do with it.
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I have to quote that Force of Will thing in my sig, for truth and also for how I (and many others) originally saw it.
To stay on topic though, LED only goes in a couple of decks, and those decks have their own weaknesses (for example, a well-played Force of Will or worse yet, Stifle). They also aren't the kinds of grab-n-go decks that a new player would enjoy playing; even as an experienced Legacy blue player, I find piloting ANT incredibly difficult. I doubt LED will spike anytime soon unless the meta shifts so far to fish and goblins that the combo decks have free reign to steamroll.
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Sooner or later the new legacy players with goblins or fish will realize they're not playing legacy to bash face on T2, they want to try WINNING on T2 and that's where LED's come in ^^
I have to quote that Force of Will thing in my sig, for truth and also for how I (and many others) originally saw it.
To stay on topic though, LED only goes in a couple of decks, and those decks have their own weaknesses (for example, a well-played Force of Will or worse yet, Stifle). They also aren't the kinds of grab-n-go decks that a new player would enjoy playing; even as an experienced Legacy blue player, I find piloting ANT incredibly difficult. I doubt LED will spike anytime soon unless the meta shifts so far to fish and goblins that the combo decks have free reign to steamroll.
Stifle doesn't work against L.E.D.
LED is probably going to increase alongside everything else, but not as insanely as FoW or Wasteland or Duals or anything else. LED is what makes TES and AnT good (i.e. you get to play Demonic Tutor and Black Lotus in Legacy!) but Combo is a very intimidating archetype to get into. It's FAR easier to play Bears and Ogres with Glorious Anthems attached and little red dudes for free than it is to play combo, especially against decks that are trying at their most to stop you.
On MTGO LED has increased quite a bit over the last couple months. It was around $53 around Christmas, and is now $85+. There are obviously different factors at work on MTGO, but it has increased along with all the other legacy staples.
I was searching the forums for something, and I found that this card has increased slightly, only about 12% though. In terms of real-world prices, you can now sell this for $35 online to interested parties on mtg forums.
It also went to $50 on SCG, up 10 bucks in the last week and 15-20 overall in the last few months. Glad I got them when I did! ;-)
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Extended - BantUGW
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Yeah it will go up. It's on the reserved list which isn't going away any time soon apparently and it is a STAPLE of legacy combo. It's the card that makes combo good. And now it is $50 on SCG so that's up from like 6 months ago when it was $35ish.
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Yeah it will go up. It's on the reserved list which isn't going away any time soon apparently and it is a STAPLE of legacy combo. It's the card that makes combo good. And now it is $50 on SCG so that's up from like 6 months ago when it was $35ish.
I seem to recall LED being solidly $40 on SCG - so yeah, it has gone up, but if memory serves me right, by only $10 or so.
To be honest, TES is the reason I'm getting into legacy, I saw belcher then I saw tes the same day and loved the interactions and it clicks with me, being a new legacy player and never have played combo before. I still choose Tes over everything else, so saying LEDs aren't interested by new players is false
But I did notice when I first wares to build the beck end of last year, I got LEDs way easy, traded those and now when I got the playset the second go around, they were a lot harder to acquire, even with cash.
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Do you guys think it has potential to increase? I want to build combo just to have it sitting around to play since it doesn't interfere with any of my other decks, but naturally I thought about the longterm growth of LED. I don't see it being banned in Legacy anytime soon, and Force of Will and to a lesser extent Duress, Thoughtseize Ethersworn Canonist and Mindbreak Trap keep combo from running rampant in the environment. And as I mentioned you absolutely need them to run TES, ANT, Belcher, full speed versions of Dredge, and as the enabler in various other decks that can abuse the mana/graveyard. Plus it hasn't seen print in a long time, and Mirage is getting more and more scarce. So anyone else think it has the potential to make decent gains now in the new Legacy marketplace? Or does a TES/ANT/Belcher deck need to win an SCG Open or something for it to really skyrocket? Just curious, any opinions are appreciated as always.
Currently playing:
Vintage - Meandeck MUD
Legacy - Death and TaxesW, Team AmericaBUG, GSZ ZooGRW, TES, JunkBGW, Blue MUDU
Extended - BantUGW
Standard - Big RedR, UB ControlBU, Eldrazi GreenG
EDH/Commander - Thrun, the Last TrollG, Gwendolyn Di CorciBUR, Venser, Shaper SavantU
Currently playing:
Vintage - Meandeck MUD
Legacy - Death and TaxesW, Team AmericaBUG, GSZ ZooGRW, TES, JunkBGW, Blue MUDU
Extended - BantUGW
Standard - Big RedR, UB ControlBU, Eldrazi GreenG
EDH/Commander - Thrun, the Last TrollG, Gwendolyn Di CorciBUR, Venser, Shaper SavantU
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Doran WBG
If the spike in things like wasteland, duals, and Forces is caused by an influx of interest in legacy from people who are new to the format, the first decks many of them jump at if they are coming over from standard are decks that they understand with cards they understand. People coming into legacy from alara block standard forward are not going to get it right away why LED is good as opposed "Super-Tech Edge" and "Free Counterspell."
I'm rather new to legacy, and I saw LED for the first time and thought, "what? that's terrible, what are you going to do with the mana now that you've dumped your hand?" and then I got my face stormed off. Whereas I saw Force of Will and thought "Sweet! I can tap out for a win con and still have a counter to back it up with. that's brilliant (and also not how you use force of will)" Big turn fast combo just doesn't exist in the recent standard environment so new players don't get it, and don't want to start by playing something so different.
I think this might have something to do with it.
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To stay on topic though, LED only goes in a couple of decks, and those decks have their own weaknesses (for example, a well-played Force of Will or worse yet, Stifle). They also aren't the kinds of grab-n-go decks that a new player would enjoy playing; even as an experienced Legacy blue player, I find piloting ANT incredibly difficult. I doubt LED will spike anytime soon unless the meta shifts so far to fish and goblins that the combo decks have free reign to steamroll.
^^Thanks dantcg!
Stifle doesn't work against L.E.D.
LED is probably going to increase alongside everything else, but not as insanely as FoW or Wasteland or Duals or anything else. LED is what makes TES and AnT good (i.e. you get to play Demonic Tutor and Black Lotus in Legacy!) but Combo is a very intimidating archetype to get into. It's FAR easier to play Bears and Ogres with Glorious Anthems attached and little red dudes for free than it is to play combo, especially against decks that are trying at their most to stop you.
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Currently playing:
Vintage - Meandeck MUD
Legacy - Death and TaxesW, Team AmericaBUG, GSZ ZooGRW, TES, JunkBGW, Blue MUDU
Extended - BantUGW
Standard - Big RedR, UB ControlBU, Eldrazi GreenG
EDH/Commander - Thrun, the Last TrollG, Gwendolyn Di CorciBUR, Venser, Shaper SavantU
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I seem to recall LED being solidly $40 on SCG - so yeah, it has gone up, but if memory serves me right, by only $10 or so.
Yeah thats a really good deal for you. Especially NM.
But I did notice when I first wares to build the beck end of last year, I got LEDs way easy, traded those and now when I got the playset the second go around, they were a lot harder to acquire, even with cash.
Standard:None
Modern:Taxes, Jund, U/W Control | In the works:5c Gifts
Legacy: Main deck = DDFT/Storm Decks - Almost everything
Vintage: Bomberman, Dredge, Shops, Oath, Gush DD
EDH: German Foil Horde 50%, Animar, Iname DA,Patron of the Moon, Karador + more