I have a host of assorted questions regarding the standard tokens deck and figured I should just throw them all into the same thread. Here's what I'd like to know:
1. I have hidden stockpile in play and revolt is not active. On my end step my opponent kills one of my creatures. Do I get a servo from revolt?
2. I control anointed procession and nothing else. I embalm an Anointer Priest. Do I gain life from the two embalm tokens coming into play?
(For some reason I can't see the card tool tip for anointer priest so I'll copy what is printed on the card just in case it doesn't work for you as well.
"Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.")
3. I control 3 copies of anointed procession and embalm a single creature. How many tokens of it do I get?
I have a host of assorted questions regarding the standard tokens deck and figured I should just throw them all into the same thread. Here's what I'd like to know:
1. I have hidden stockpile in play and revolt is not active. On my end step my opponent kills one of my creatures. Do I get a servo from revolt?
Hidden Stockpile didn't trigger at the beginning of this End step, since revolt was 'not active'. It won't trigger during this end phase, or turn.
2. I control anointed procession and nothing else. I embalm an Anointer Priest. Do I gain life from the two embalm tokens coming into play?
(For some reason I can't see the card tool tip for anointer priest so I'll copy what is printed on the card just in case it doesn't work for you as well.
"Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.")
Each Anointer Priest token triggers twice.
3. I control 3 copies of anointed procession and embalm a single creature. How many tokens of it do I get?
The third power of 2, or "eight" in the common tongue.
You do. First the Ferocidon leaves the battlefield. Then you gain life.
5. Do tokens created by the scarab god retain the CMC of the exiled creature card?
The tokens copy that card's mana cost. Converted mana cost is a derived attribute, which will be the same.
6. I cast lost legacy. Do I have to name the card right away or can I wait until my opponent passes back priority?
Choices other than targets, mode, additional costs, alternative costs, the use of Splice cards, the value of X, the division or distribution of an effect, and any options inherent to hybrid cost symbols or phyrexian mana symbols, are made on resolution, when you would apply the effect requiring the choice. You name a card as you read the first sentence in applying Lost Legacy's effect.
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I have a host of assorted questions regarding the standard tokens deck and figured I should just throw them all into the same thread. Here's what I'd like to know:
1. I have hidden stockpile in play and revolt is not active. On my end step my opponent kills one of my creatures. Do I get a servo from revolt?
No. The time when it would have triggered has already come and gone. It doesn't trigger retroactively just because the intervening if clause was satisfied later.
603.4. A triggered ability may read “When/Whenever/At [trigger event], if [condition], [effect].” When the trigger event occurs, the ability checks whether the stated condition is true. The ability triggers only if it is; otherwise it does nothing. If the ability triggers, it checks the stated condition again as it resolves. If the condition isn’t true at that time, the ability is removed from the stack and does nothing. Note that this mirrors the check for legal targets. This rule is referred to as the “intervening ‘if’ clause” rule. (The word “if” has only its normal English meaning anywhere else in the text of a card; this rule only applies to an “if” that immediately follows a trigger condition.)
Example: Felidar Sovereign reads, “At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have 40 or more life, you win the game.” Its controller’s life total is checked as that player’s upkeep begins. If that player has 39 or less life, the ability doesn’t trigger at all. If that player has 40 or more life, the ability triggers and goes on the stack. As the ability resolves, that player’s life total is checked again. If that player has 39 or less life at this time, the ability is removed from the stack and has no effect. If that player has 40 or more life at this time, the ability resolves and that player wins the game.
2. I control anointed procession and nothing else. I embalm an Anointer Priest. Do I gain life from the two embalm tokens coming into play?
Yes.
603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, “When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . “ or “Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, . . .” Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event.
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* If Anointer Priest is a token, most likely because it’s embalmed, it will cause its own ability to trigger when it enters the battlefield.
(For some reason I can't see the card tool tip for anointer priest so I'll copy what is printed on the card just in case it doesn't work for you as well.
"Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.")
Someone at MTG Salvation needs a little more practice with copy and paste. Annointer Priest [sic]
3. I control 3 copies of anointed procession and embalm a single creature. How many tokens of it do I get?
Eight.
614.5. A replacement effect doesn’t invoke itself repeatedly; it gets only one opportunity to affect an event or any modified events that may replace it.
Example: A player controls two permanents, each with an ability that reads “If a creature you control would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals double that damage to that creature or player instead.” A creature that normally deals 2 damage will deal 8 damage—not just 4, and not an infinite amount.
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* If you control two Anointed Processions, then the number of tokens created is four times the original number. If you control three, then the number of tokens created is eight times the original number, and so on.
Yes. By the time you reach that instruction on Fumigate, there is nothing to interfere with your life gain.
608.2c The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written. However, replacement effects may modify these actions. In some cases, later text on the card may modify the meaning of earlier text (for example, “Destroy target creature. It can’t be regenerated” or “Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner’s library instead of into its owner’s graveyard.”) Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases—read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.
5. Do tokens created by the scarab god retain the CMC of the exiled creature card?
Yes. The mana cost is the same, so the converted mana cost is the same.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
6. I cast lost legacy. Do I have to name the card right away or can I wait until my opponent passes back priority?
You don't name the card until the spell is resolving, i.e., after everyone has passed in succession. "Name a ... card" is not one of the decisions made during casting.
608. Resolving Spells and Abilities
608.2d If an effect of a spell or ability offers any choices other than choices already made as part of casting the spell, activating the ability, or otherwise putting the spell or ability on the stack, the player announces these while applying the effect. The player can’t choose an option that’s illegal or impossible, with the exception that having a library with no cards in it doesn’t make drawing a card an impossible action (see rule 120.3). If an effect divides or distributes something, such as damage or counters, as a player chooses among any number of untargeted players and/or objects, the player chooses the amount and division such that at least one player or object is chosen if able, and each chosen player or object receives at least one of whatever is being divided. (Note that if an effect divides or distributes something, such as damage or counters, as a player chooses among some number of target objects and/or players, the amount and division were determined as the spell or ability was put onto the stack rather than at this time; see rule 601.2d.)
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Why bother with mere rulings when so many answers can be found in the Rules?
Thanks for the super in depth response Argus, now I'll be able to clarify why something is the way it is other than "dude, just go with it." And no wonder I couldn't get the priest card tag to show up, silly me wanted to spell it correctly O.o
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Choices other than targets, mode, additional costs, alternative costs, the use of Splice cards, the value of X, the division or distribution of an effect, and any options inherent to hybrid cost symbols or phyrexian mana symbols, are made on resolution, when you would apply the effect requiring the choice. You name a card as you read the first sentence in applying Lost Legacy's effect.
Not sure what you mean by the bolded part, since choosing which color/life to pay for hybrid/phyrexian symbols is part of the casting process.
Choices other than targets, mode, additional costs, alternative costs, the use of Splice cards, the value of X, the division or distribution of an effect, and any options inherent to hybrid cost symbols or phyrexian mana symbols, are made on resolution, when you would apply the effect requiring the choice. You name a card as you read the first sentence in applying Lost Legacy's effect.
Not sure what you mean by the bolded part, since choosing which color/life to pay for hybrid/phyrexian symbols is part of the casting process.
He said choices other than the listed ones, the bolded ones are part of that list.
Choices other than targets, mode, additional costs, alternative costs, the use of Splice cards, the value of X, the division or distribution of an effect, and any options inherent to hybrid cost symbols or phyrexian mana symbols, are made on resolution, when you would apply the effect requiring the choice. You name a card as you read the first sentence in applying Lost Legacy's effect.
Not sure what you mean by the bolded part, since choosing which color/life to pay for hybrid/phyrexian symbols is part of the casting process.
He said choices other than the listed ones, the bolded ones are part of that list.
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1. I have hidden stockpile in play and revolt is not active. On my end step my opponent kills one of my creatures. Do I get a servo from revolt?
2. I control anointed procession and nothing else. I embalm an Anointer Priest. Do I gain life from the two embalm tokens coming into play?
(For some reason I can't see the card tool tip for anointer priest so I'll copy what is printed on the card just in case it doesn't work for you as well.
"Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.")
3. I control 3 copies of anointed procession and embalm a single creature. How many tokens of it do I get?
4. My opponent controls a Rampaging Ferocidon and I cast fumigate. Do I gain life?
5. Do tokens created by the scarab god retain the CMC of the exiled creature card?
6. I cast lost legacy. Do I have to name the card right away or can I wait until my opponent passes back priority?
Warning issued for "grab bag" of questions (see rule 2.3 of the Magic Rulings forum rules). -MadMage
1. I have hidden stockpile in play and revolt is not active. On my end step my opponent kills one of my creatures. Do I get a servo from revolt?
Hidden Stockpile didn't trigger at the beginning of this End step, since revolt was 'not active'. It won't trigger during this end phase, or turn.
2. I control anointed procession and nothing else. I embalm an Anointer Priest. Do I gain life from the two embalm tokens coming into play?
(For some reason I can't see the card tool tip for anointer priest so I'll copy what is printed on the card just in case it doesn't work for you as well.
"Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.")
Each Anointer Priest token triggers twice.
3. I control 3 copies of anointed procession and embalm a single creature. How many tokens of it do I get?
The third power of 2, or "eight" in the common tongue.
4. My opponent controls a Rampaging Ferocidon and I cast fumigate. Do I gain life?
You do. First the Ferocidon leaves the battlefield. Then you gain life.
5. Do tokens created by the scarab god retain the CMC of the exiled creature card?
The tokens copy that card's mana cost. Converted mana cost is a derived attribute, which will be the same.
6. I cast lost legacy. Do I have to name the card right away or can I wait until my opponent passes back priority?
Choices other than targets, mode, additional costs, alternative costs, the use of Splice cards, the value of X, the division or distribution of an effect, and any options inherent to hybrid cost symbols or phyrexian mana symbols, are made on resolution, when you would apply the effect requiring the choice. You name a card as you read the first sentence in applying Lost Legacy's effect.
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You are ten kinds of awesome! Also just to clarify, when you embalm a single priest it does count itself and gains you 1 life yes?
No. The time when it would have triggered has already come and gone. It doesn't trigger retroactively just because the intervening if clause was satisfied later.
Yes.
Someone at MTG Salvation needs a little more practice with copy and paste.
Annointer Priest [sic]
Eight.
Yes. By the time you reach that instruction on Fumigate, there is nothing to interfere with your life gain.
Yes. The mana cost is the same, so the converted mana cost is the same.
You don't name the card until the spell is resolving, i.e., after everyone has passed in succession. "Name a ... card" is not one of the decisions made during casting.
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He said choices other than the listed ones, the bolded ones are part of that list.
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