My opponent casts a White Knight with a Plains and an Island and passes the turn. During my main phase, I cast Lightning Bolt targeting the White Knight. After the Knight dies, I notice the mana problem. This is on the second turn, and no other creatures are on the battlefield.
At an FNM, how would this situation be dealt with? Would that change if I had cast a Pyroclasm? What if the opponent had a spare Plains in hand, but simply played the wrong land by mistake?
What about at a PTQ or a Pro Tour?
At this point, it would be at the discretion of the head judge, so while I could give you pointers or general explanations of policy, I can't speak for what action the head judge would take.
In general, however, the action of drawing a card and then casting a spell is a pretty big change in the information state of the game. While it is feasible to back up at the head judge's discretion, since your opponent now knows an additional card in his hand and you know he has a Bolt in hand (or just drew it), I would be disinclined to back up the game state at any REL. The current game state is legal (although how you got to it is not), so I would instruct you to play more carefully in the future. At a Competitive or Professional REL event, you would be getting a Warning for Game Rule Violation, and your opponent would get one for Failure to Maintain Game State.
At Regular, we don't generally issue penalties except for repeat offenders.
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In general, however, the action of drawing a card and then casting a spell is a pretty big change in the information state of the game. While it is feasible to back up at the head judge's discretion, since your opponent now knows an additional card in his hand and you know he has a Bolt in hand (or just drew it), I would be disinclined to back up the game state at any REL. The current game state is legal (although how you got to it is not), so I would instruct you to play more carefully in the future. At a Competitive or Professional REL event, you would be getting a Warning for Game Rule Violation, and your opponent would get one for Failure to Maintain Game State.
You seem to have gotten this a little bit backwards. Oglor gets the Failure to Maintain Game State warning, while the opponent gets the Game Rule Violation, because the White Knight belongs to the opponent and was cast illegally by the opponent.
I agree that I wouldn't back up this situation unless there's some information I'm missing. Unless it influenced my opinion on whether or not the opponent was cheating, I wouldn't care whether or not he had a Plains in his hand.
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At an FNM, how would this situation be dealt with? Would that change if I had cast a Pyroclasm? What if the opponent had a spare Plains in hand, but simply played the wrong land by mistake?
What about at a PTQ or a Pro Tour?
In general, however, the action of drawing a card and then casting a spell is a pretty big change in the information state of the game. While it is feasible to back up at the head judge's discretion, since your opponent now knows an additional card in his hand and you know he has a Bolt in hand (or just drew it), I would be disinclined to back up the game state at any REL. The current game state is legal (although how you got to it is not), so I would instruct you to play more carefully in the future. At a Competitive or Professional REL event, you would be getting a Warning for Game Rule Violation, and your opponent would get one for Failure to Maintain Game State.
At Regular, we don't generally issue penalties except for repeat offenders.
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
I agree that I wouldn't back up this situation unless there's some information I'm missing. Unless it influenced my opinion on whether or not the opponent was cheating, I wouldn't care whether or not he had a Plains in his hand.