While insufficient shuffling isn't punished with a game loss now, this is only a recent change. As recently as last year the penalty was a game loss. So, as always, it depends on when these stories happened (since once upon a time, deck list errors were punished with a DQ).
To answer your actual question:
You have shuffled enough if there is no reasonable way you can know the position(s) (relative or otherwise) of any card(s) in your deck.
If you believe your opponent hasn't shuffled enough, call a judge and explain to them (away from the table, if you so desire) why you think this and they will investigate the methods used by your opponent (primarily by asking them how they shuffled).
After your opponent shuffles, isn't he required to present his deck to you? So, if you think he didn't shuffle enough, just shuffle it for him.
While your shuffling might help the current match, it is good for everyone if cheaters get caught. Judges really don't mind helping you, and shouldn't hesitate to call them. If your opponent has done this repeatedly or in an attempt to cheat, your calling a judge gives the opportunity to fix the situation more permanently.
Edit: There is also the possibility that the opponent needs education on how to shuffle properly, which the judge might also assist.
After your opponent shuffles, isn't he required to present his deck to you? So, if you think he didn't shuffle enough, just shuffle it for him.
Some players did that to me during FNM matches, but they were advised to rise the head and "look the ceiling" while shuffling the opponent's deck.
This is to demonstrate that they are not looking to my deck for a card to be or not to be placed in a predetermined position, and I believe it's a safe advice. (e.g. deliberately waiting for a card to be in the bottom part of the deck so that I have less chances to draw a copy of it)
There is a 2 minute time limit for shuffling at each instance where shuffling is required (before a game, after the resolution of a spell or effect that requires you to do so).
That, and it is obligatory for a player to submit his deck to his opponent to shuffle/riffle/pile and cut before proceeding.
Combining those two in any instance should be sufficient to absolutely anyone. If my opponent doesn't like the way I shuffle, I let them do it, makes no difference to me!
Actually, you have 3 minutes to sideboard, shuffle, and present your deck. The amount of time permitted for other shuffling activity is not specified in the rules, but it must be done in a timely manner.
Actually, you have 3 minutes to sideboard, shuffle, and present your deck. The amount of time permitted for other shuffling activity is not specified in the rules, but it must be done in a timely manner.
You make my case even moreso, sir.
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at what point have you shuffled enough and what do i do if i see my opponent has not propperly shuffled?
It seems as though it is my word against his and a judge cannot give a game loss for that unless they happen to be watching while this occurs.
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Basicly: Shuffle enough, use different techniques especially not only pile shuffling as this is not a randomization.
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accomplishments:T8 ptq Philly (Edison 180ish people)
Rpre ban RDWR
more to come in the future!
To answer your actual question:
You have shuffled enough if there is no reasonable way you can know the position(s) (relative or otherwise) of any card(s) in your deck.
If you believe your opponent hasn't shuffled enough, call a judge and explain to them (away from the table, if you so desire) why you think this and they will investigate the methods used by your opponent (primarily by asking them how they shuffled).
While your shuffling might help the current match, it is good for everyone if cheaters get caught. Judges really don't mind helping you, and shouldn't hesitate to call them. If your opponent has done this repeatedly or in an attempt to cheat, your calling a judge gives the opportunity to fix the situation more permanently.
Edit: There is also the possibility that the opponent needs education on how to shuffle properly, which the judge might also assist.
Some players did that to me during FNM matches, but they were advised to rise the head and "look the ceiling" while shuffling the opponent's deck.
This is to demonstrate that they are not looking to my deck for a card to be or not to be placed in a predetermined position, and I believe it's a safe advice. (e.g. deliberately waiting for a card to be in the bottom part of the deck so that I have less chances to draw a copy of it)
That, and it is obligatory for a player to submit his deck to his opponent to shuffle/riffle/pile and cut before proceeding.
Combining those two in any instance should be sufficient to absolutely anyone. If my opponent doesn't like the way I shuffle, I let them do it, makes no difference to me!
You make my case even moreso, sir.