Just want to get this out of the way so my group can stop arguing about it. I've read that you can oblivion ring something with shroud/protection, because it triggers once it's already a permanent, and it's not a spell. What's the exact deal with this?
Question is Intimidator Initiate vs Wall of Denial. I play a bolt, and pay an extra 1 and choose to tap Wall. Can I do so? Is it coming from a permanent source? Is that an ability that I'm paying for off the initiate?
The person who told you that didn't know what they are talking about.
Protection protects from
Damage
Enchanting
Blocking
Targeting
or debt if your pnemonic fan. Oblivion enters the battle field then a triggered ability goes on the stack. That ability can't target a creature with shrould/relevent protection.
By there logic a Prodigal sorcerer should be able to ping a protection from blue card.
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You are mistaken. Oblivion Ring cannot target anything with shroud or appropriate protection. It's text reads "another target permanent" to specify that it cannot target itself. There is still a targeting ability present, it's just restricted to not itself.
@Penance:
What you most likely heard was that Emrakul, the Aeons Torn could be exiled with Oblivion Ring. This is true because Emrakul has protection from "colored spells," and by the time the Ring's targeting ability goes on the stack, it has entered the battlefield as a permanent, no longer a spell. This also means that the abilities of creatures and other permanents can target the big guy.
I see so what's going with O-Ring on Emrakul is that the activated ability is exiling him, and not a spell, in which case shroud/protection would state spell and ability.
So the only thing that can kill shrouders would be self-sac, and global effect like wash out or something like firespout?
If you can somehow reduce the shrouded/proto creature to 0 toughness that would cause death as well. That's probably one of the more reachable ways of killing protected creatures, and one reason why black excels in creature removal.
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Question is Intimidator Initiate vs Wall of Denial. I play a bolt, and pay an extra 1 and choose to tap Wall. Can I do so? Is it coming from a permanent source? Is that an ability that I'm paying for off the initiate?
Also, I have Merrow Reejerey out, and I play another merfolk spell- Can I tap Wall of Denial?
What would be the case in these two questions if the target creature was something with protection from the color? Would it be different?
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Penance
Protection protects from
Damage
Enchanting
Blocking
Targeting
or debt if your pnemonic fan. Oblivion enters the battle field then a triggered ability goes on the stack. That ability can't target a creature with shrould/relevent protection.
By there logic a Prodigal sorcerer should be able to ping a protection from blue card.
Calvin and Hobbes
Cube Tutor
Intimidator Initiate and Merrow Reejerey each say "target", and can thus not target anything with shroud and/or protection from them.
Oblivion ring says "target" making the first part of this answer incorrect.
You are mistaken. Oblivion Ring cannot target anything with shroud or appropriate protection. It's text reads "another target permanent" to specify that it cannot target itself. There is still a targeting ability present, it's just restricted to not itself.
@Penance:
What you most likely heard was that Emrakul, the Aeons Torn could be exiled with Oblivion Ring. This is true because Emrakul has protection from "colored spells," and by the time the Ring's targeting ability goes on the stack, it has entered the battlefield as a permanent, no longer a spell. This also means that the abilities of creatures and other permanents can target the big guy.
Hope this helped.
Sorry about that.
So the only thing that can kill shrouders would be self-sac, and global effect like wash out or something like firespout?
Thanks all
E also stands for Equipping, don't try to equip your shroud dude.