In 2008-2009 wizards of the coast used 3rd party companies to purchase vintage cards for inclusion in the first run of Zendikar for the priceless treasures.
They used all the magic events to quietly purchase (at most times at a reduced cost) so as to not upset the market values.
Fast forward to today. We have a virus, we have a magic market that is growing in what seems an impossible rate. Gaea’s Cradle jump in 2 months from 350-550. The reason bing is priceless treasures 2.0 is in route And they only way they can purchase the cards is from the open online market. All the big sites were closed up (star city, etc) from the virus and the online community was the only market to recapture the vintage cards thy needed again to get the mega pre sale/ end of year figures they want from Zendikar Rising.
So if you haven’t yet get your pre orders in with local game shops. Rumors I heard included all collectors boxes will support a higher % of priceless treasures and to push standard box sales they will have the same drop rate as original Zendikar in standard boxes.
Another rumor I heard was they will insert random vintage packs in booster boxes too but I heard that one time and haven’t seen any data to support that unless wizards has the packs in storage to insert.
Anyways again just a rumor but ask yourself does it make sense logically and as a money play for hasbro for a strong year when most companies struggled. In a way they literally are manipulating their own magic card market, kind of genius....
Do you have any sources for your rumors? Or is it just your conspiracy buddy that you play tabletop magic with?
Sorry if that sounds rude, but your post seems very vague and I'm not buying it at all. Are you suggesting that, to sell a new set on a plane that is already popular, that Wizards decided to shell out ridiculous amounts of cash to purchase up reserved list cards and vintage (Homelands?) packs to stuff in Zendikar Rising boxes and collectors boxes? It would seem to me that it would instead be much more cost effective to print some new expeditions, as people have been clamoring fetchlands. That would be much cheaper than recapturing reserved list cards, and it would push sales which they proved the last time they did it.
So yes, it IS just a rumor, and no, it does not make sense logically. It seems like this ploy would cost them more than it would make them, and they have other ways to push sales.
Anyways yes it’s second hand information from a person who has access to printing information and it could be all bunk but I was told make sure you get as much product as you can in advance because there is going to be a massive market for the 4th quarter. Again this is from a friend who has steered me right before.. same source said terese force of will art will be in double masters since the fall out with her happened after print run so after all the people paying to much for a T:Force of Will art will be hosed. (Different topic all together)
The logistics don’t have to make sense as the c. Virus disrupted the ability to purchase the cards and like everyone getting a card from a big second hand for a few months was not possible. The inserts happen post print (which is noW finished) for first run. If papa hasbro invests say 1 million in (random figure) reserved cards and yes even from Homelands (all reserved is still reserved they did not do og zendi based only on power cards) but makes a solid 5million off the 1 mill that would be a solid investment. (Also this first run will be much larger then original Z and that does not include collector boxes. They want to stick to similar drop rates so boxes move. Hasbro doesn’t want to sit on a massive 1st run they want to be forecasting a massive 2nd)
Logically zendikar was the same, you could say why would they spend money on the secondary market when they could just print cards.
anyways figured I would share what I have been told as I have my pre orders locked locally so I won’t have to pay out the ... on eBay or others or have canceled greed orders.
I don't think they need to purchase anything. They could secretly print the cards. Then just put them in the packs. It's not difficult to make up paper work. O yeah, we purchased all of these from lots of Cards big game store. Which is a fake company Wizards made up. That ordered the printed cards from their regular printer.
Wizards could print reserved list cards again in secret, but someone eventually could figure out when it was made. Like carbon dating for cardboard. If Wizard did this and were caught, it would cause a huge uproar in the Magic community. I don't think a "secret" like this could remain secret forever.
This sounds like it can't be a feasible business plan at all...
Anyway, this topic definitely belongs in baseless speculation (also the title is quite clickbaity)
If WotC tried to print old cards, a blind person could figure it out as the reprint/fakes would be thinner, smell different, curl like a potato chip and have a different sound when "snapped". Today's crap quality couldn't mimic the old stuff. So that isn't going to happen.
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The actual reason is just that people are buying up everything on the reserved list to sit on it for a while and unload it all once people have money again. My source? Myself. I’m doing that. I’ve bought a lot of reserved list cards in the last 5 months. I have very solid positions on quite a few reserved list cards.
People spotted differences between the original 4th Edition printing and the domestic based Alternative 4th Edition prints. There would certainly be something Wizards missed reprinting Reserved list cards. They’d have to do a lot of very impressive reverse detective work to pull it off, not to mention the “secret” would eventually leak some other way.
The actual reason is just that people are buying up everything on the reserved list to sit on it for a while and unload it all once people have money again. My source? Myself. I’m doing that. I’ve bought a lot of reserved list cards in the last 5 months. I have very solid positions on quite a few reserved list cards.
bUt whAT If hAsbRO mAdE cOroNaVirUs HApPen tO InCrEasE rEsErveD LisT cARd PrIceS... /endrant
I agree, this should be in baseless speculation at best. OP's title and post seem to suggest some correlation between coronavirus, Hasbro collected reserved list cards, and an increase in reserved list prices. I think that's at best conspiracy theory.
I have a very credible source that has informed me that OP's claims are false, and that Zendikar Rising will sell like crazy because it will have enemy fetchlands in the set, which is all it needs to fly off the shelves.
Reserved list cards have gone up in value during the pandemic for the same reason that gold skyrocketed in value during the recession of ten years ago: in times of uncertainty tangible goods feel like a safer place to store one's wealth than in banks. Second to that, reserved list cards have gone up lately because that's what they do - they go up in value over time. It's always been like that and it always will continue to be so. People collect old cards like people collect old comic books, they hold collector, nostalgic, and historic value beyond their playability in kitchen tables or in tournaments.
I have a very credible source that has informed me that OP's claims are false, and that Zendikar Rising will sell like crazy because it will have enemy fetchlands in the set, which is all it needs to fly off the shelves.
Zendikar Rising would be an odd place to add enemy fetchlands, because Wizards would have to immediately ban them for the Pioneer format. I would have expected them in a supplemental set, not a Standard set (although, as you say, the set would sell well)
I have a very credible source that has informed me that OP's claims are false, and that Zendikar Rising will sell like crazy because it will have enemy fetchlands in the set, which is all it needs to fly off the shelves.
Zendikar Rising would be an odd place to add enemy fetchlands, because Wizards would have to immediately ban them for the Pioneer format. I would have expected them in a supplemental set, not a Standard set (although, as you say, the set would sell well)
I personally expect them to appear as box-toppers (and appear in collectors boosters) but specifically have them NOT be standard legal (like inventions).
I personally expect them to appear as box-toppers (and appear in collectors boosters) but specifically have them NOT be standard legal (like inventions).
I don't think they need to purchase anything. They could secretly print the cards. Then just put them in the packs. It's not difficult to make up paper work. O yeah, we purchased all of these from lots of Cards big game store. Which is a fake company Wizards made up. That ordered the printed cards from their regular printer.
Wizards could print reserved list cards again in secret, but someone eventually could figure out when it was made. Like carbon dating for cardboard. If Wizard did this and were caught, it would cause a huge uproar in the Magic finance community. I don't think a "secret" like this could remain secret forever.
FTFY.
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They used all the magic events to quietly purchase (at most times at a reduced cost) so as to not upset the market values.
Fast forward to today. We have a virus, we have a magic market that is growing in what seems an impossible rate. Gaea’s Cradle jump in 2 months from 350-550. The reason bing is priceless treasures 2.0 is in route And they only way they can purchase the cards is from the open online market. All the big sites were closed up (star city, etc) from the virus and the online community was the only market to recapture the vintage cards thy needed again to get the mega pre sale/ end of year figures they want from Zendikar Rising.
So if you haven’t yet get your pre orders in with local game shops. Rumors I heard included all collectors boxes will support a higher % of priceless treasures and to push standard box sales they will have the same drop rate as original Zendikar in standard boxes.
Another rumor I heard was they will insert random vintage packs in booster boxes too but I heard that one time and haven’t seen any data to support that unless wizards has the packs in storage to insert.
Anyways again just a rumor but ask yourself does it make sense logically and as a money play for hasbro for a strong year when most companies struggled. In a way they literally are manipulating their own magic card market, kind of genius....
And I read somewhere once that they have mountains of old sealed product, so the pack thing is doable right now if true.
Sorry if that sounds rude, but your post seems very vague and I'm not buying it at all. Are you suggesting that, to sell a new set on a plane that is already popular, that Wizards decided to shell out ridiculous amounts of cash to purchase up reserved list cards and vintage (Homelands?) packs to stuff in Zendikar Rising boxes and collectors boxes? It would seem to me that it would instead be much more cost effective to print some new expeditions, as people have been clamoring fetchlands. That would be much cheaper than recapturing reserved list cards, and it would push sales which they proved the last time they did it.
So yes, it IS just a rumor, and no, it does not make sense logically. It seems like this ploy would cost them more than it would make them, and they have other ways to push sales.
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Melira PodRIP 1/19/15GWHatebearsThe logistics don’t have to make sense as the c. Virus disrupted the ability to purchase the cards and like everyone getting a card from a big second hand for a few months was not possible. The inserts happen post print (which is noW finished) for first run. If papa hasbro invests say 1 million in (random figure) reserved cards and yes even from Homelands (all reserved is still reserved they did not do og zendi based only on power cards) but makes a solid 5million off the 1 mill that would be a solid investment. (Also this first run will be much larger then original Z and that does not include collector boxes. They want to stick to similar drop rates so boxes move. Hasbro doesn’t want to sit on a massive 1st run they want to be forecasting a massive 2nd)
Logically zendikar was the same, you could say why would they spend money on the secondary market when they could just print cards.
anyways figured I would share what I have been told as I have my pre orders locked locally so I won’t have to pay out the ... on eBay or others or have canceled greed orders.
Wizards could print reserved list cards again in secret, but someone eventually could figure out when it was made. Like carbon dating for cardboard. If Wizard did this and were caught, it would cause a huge uproar in the Magic community. I don't think a "secret" like this could remain secret forever.
Anyway, this topic definitely belongs in baseless speculation (also the title is quite clickbaity)
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
bUt whAT If hAsbRO mAdE cOroNaVirUs HApPen tO InCrEasE rEsErveD LisT cARd PrIceS... /endrant
I agree, this should be in baseless speculation at best. OP's title and post seem to suggest some correlation between coronavirus, Hasbro collected reserved list cards, and an increase in reserved list prices. I think that's at best conspiracy theory.
Currently Playing:
Multiplayer EDH Lists (click italics for a link to the thread!)
[Primer] Lord of Tresserhorn - Don't Tell Me What I Can't Do[Primer] Roon of the Hidden Realm - Rhino Blink
5 Color Tribal Guide (Slivers, Atogs, Allies, Spirits)
Also Playing (most decklists can be found on my profile)
MarathGeistKamahlGrenzoBolasThassaGitrog
PiratesZurVial Smasher&ThrasiosYennettJhoira(cEDH)Strix(Pauper)
Legacy: Maverick
Modern:
Melira PodRIP 1/19/15GWHatebearsReserved list cards have gone up in value during the pandemic for the same reason that gold skyrocketed in value during the recession of ten years ago: in times of uncertainty tangible goods feel like a safer place to store one's wealth than in banks. Second to that, reserved list cards have gone up lately because that's what they do - they go up in value over time. It's always been like that and it always will continue to be so. People collect old cards like people collect old comic books, they hold collector, nostalgic, and historic value beyond their playability in kitchen tables or in tournaments.
Zendikar Rising would be an odd place to add enemy fetchlands, because Wizards would have to immediately ban them for the Pioneer format. I would have expected them in a supplemental set, not a Standard set (although, as you say, the set would sell well)
I personally expect them to appear as box-toppers (and appear in collectors boosters) but specifically have them NOT be standard legal (like inventions).
Nailed it.
FTFY.