It's a Modern Masters list that someone claimed online as the full spoilers.
What I noticed was the lack of lightning bolt. Which would be really weird for such an iconic Modern card to not get reprinted in either of the Modern Masters sets nor the event deck.
That got me thinking of how they could excuse such a thing, and I realized, perhaps it could mean a Magic Origins reprint.
And if they're including Lighting Bolt for red, they have to include comparable things for other colors. And, well... I got my hopes up!
The set could be littered with iconic cards or re-balanced or tweaked cards clearly based on iconic cards, as part of a big final hurrah to send off core sets, and they'd excuse temporary chaos in Standard that might result with the faster rotation.
Would also segue quite nicely into higher power level sets like Battle for Zendikar might turn out to be.
Songs of the Dryad is a colour pie break, so I doubt it.
If they where going to do something like this, 10 planes some of which are new. sooooo. a bunch of iconics and then a couple of new "iconics" where needed.
I think what you are describing seems pushed to be honest.
Pushing is the idea here to be honest. Counterspell and Innocent Blood in particular I'd love to have in Modern.
I kinda disagree that putting them all together would be bad. In fact, I think it would be better to put a bunch of these together than one at a time, so that there is balance in awesomeness between the colors. I did not like that they gave black Thoughtsize in Theros block while other colors got things like Dissolve, Lightning Strike and Banishing Light. The long period of mono-black devotion dominance showed how problematic that kind of thing could be.
Admittedly, if they make spells really strong like that they'll probably have to buff creatures as well to balance things out, creating a very high powered format for a while, but faster rotation makes this less risky long term than it used to be, and the amount certain reprints added to the Modern legal card pool or new cards in similar power levels would be considerable.
I don't like the philosphy of having one or two powerful Modern level cards in a set, I prefer the idea that if one color (or color combination) gets one, then some/most/all of the other colors should as well, I don't really want too much in the _same_ color or color combination, but I want to spread things out between colors.
And of course, high toughness and lifegain to cope with lightning bolt isn't the only way to cope with a removal heavy format, ETB effects, haste, can't be countered, anti-discard effects, death triggers, leaves the battlefield triggers, various sorts of protection, hexproof, etc. are other ways to deal with such.
I also oppose the idea of switching to 5cmc + sweepers. I can understand limiting the number of 4 cmc sweepers in Standard to one, and perhaps having many of them be imperfect, along the lines of Mutiliate perhaps, but without at least one, I think it distorts the matchups against aggro too much, and makes everything more of a rock-paper-scissors environment, where rather than just being a bad matchup, aggro will tend to slaughter control. I'd prefer speedy aggro to be a bad matchup for control, not something that completely dominates it most of the time. I like the idea of the rock-paper-scissors setup of aggro, combo, and control being strong tendencies, but for the skilled/lucky player to be able to overcome those tendencies regularly enough to still stand a chance at winning a tournament even with bad luck on match-ups, so not too large an advantage.
It's been said multiple times that Counterspell will never see a modern legal printing.
As long as Rosewater has a say Song of the Dryads will also never see Standard.
Path is considered out of Whites color as well. At least at that cost it is.
Bolt could potentially return but it's been said several times that it is very format warping.
Point is most of the cards you listed will never see standard print. And that's fine. Personally in a world where Jeskai Ascendancy, Monastery Mentor, and Soulfire Grandmaster exist I don't want Bolt, Path and Counterspell backing them up. Seems like a bad environment to play in.
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It's a Modern Masters list that someone claimed online as the full spoilers.
What I noticed was the lack of lightning bolt. Which would be really weird for such an iconic Modern card to not get reprinted in either of the Modern Masters sets nor the event deck.
That got me thinking of how they could excuse such a thing, and I realized, perhaps it could mean a Magic Origins reprint.
And if they're including Lighting Bolt for red, they have to include comparable things for other colors. And, well... I got my hopes up!
So things like:
W:
Path to Exile
Wrath of God
U:
Counterspell
B:
Innocent Blood
Diabolic Edict
R:
Lightning Bolt
Fireball
G:
Song of the Dryads
C:
Moonglove Extract
I was also thinking perhaps a cycle based on the original 3 cycle
Lightning Bolt and Giant Growth of course have stuck around. Ancestral Recall would be replaced by something like Jace's Ingenuity or Concentrate. Healing Salve perhaps could be replaced by a cantrip version of itself (draw a card and choose one, gain 3 life or prevent 3 damage to target creature), maybe as a 2 drop. Dark Ritual could perhaps be replaced by a color shifted Infernal Plunge.
The set could be littered with iconic cards or re-balanced or tweaked cards clearly based on iconic cards, as part of a big final hurrah to send off core sets, and they'd excuse temporary chaos in Standard that might result with the faster rotation.
Would also segue quite nicely into higher power level sets like Battle for Zendikar might turn out to be.
Oh doh. Was think modern masters. Still this is NOT an environment I would want to see anytime soon.
If they where going to do something like this, 10 planes some of which are new. sooooo. a bunch of iconics and then a couple of new "iconics" where needed.
I think what you are describing seems pushed to be honest.
I kinda disagree that putting them all together would be bad. In fact, I think it would be better to put a bunch of these together than one at a time, so that there is balance in awesomeness between the colors. I did not like that they gave black Thoughtsize in Theros block while other colors got things like Dissolve, Lightning Strike and Banishing Light. The long period of mono-black devotion dominance showed how problematic that kind of thing could be.
Admittedly, if they make spells really strong like that they'll probably have to buff creatures as well to balance things out, creating a very high powered format for a while, but faster rotation makes this less risky long term than it used to be, and the amount certain reprints added to the Modern legal card pool or new cards in similar power levels would be considerable.
I don't like the philosphy of having one or two powerful Modern level cards in a set, I prefer the idea that if one color (or color combination) gets one, then some/most/all of the other colors should as well, I don't really want too much in the _same_ color or color combination, but I want to spread things out between colors.
And of course, high toughness and lifegain to cope with lightning bolt isn't the only way to cope with a removal heavy format, ETB effects, haste, can't be countered, anti-discard effects, death triggers, leaves the battlefield triggers, various sorts of protection, hexproof, etc. are other ways to deal with such.
I also oppose the idea of switching to 5cmc + sweepers. I can understand limiting the number of 4 cmc sweepers in Standard to one, and perhaps having many of them be imperfect, along the lines of Mutiliate perhaps, but without at least one, I think it distorts the matchups against aggro too much, and makes everything more of a rock-paper-scissors environment, where rather than just being a bad matchup, aggro will tend to slaughter control. I'd prefer speedy aggro to be a bad matchup for control, not something that completely dominates it most of the time. I like the idea of the rock-paper-scissors setup of aggro, combo, and control being strong tendencies, but for the skilled/lucky player to be able to overcome those tendencies regularly enough to still stand a chance at winning a tournament even with bad luck on match-ups, so not too large an advantage.
As long as Rosewater has a say Song of the Dryads will also never see Standard.
Path is considered out of Whites color as well. At least at that cost it is.
Bolt could potentially return but it's been said several times that it is very format warping.
Point is most of the cards you listed will never see standard print. And that's fine. Personally in a world where Jeskai Ascendancy, Monastery Mentor, and Soulfire Grandmaster exist I don't want Bolt, Path and Counterspell backing them up. Seems like a bad environment to play in.