It is possible with the sub-theme of basic lands matter in JOU and M15 (I and my Nissa would love it). But it would need some drawback. The fact is, it would be a modern favorite for sure and probably chase rares
I somehow find it tragic when an attacking Traveling Philosopher gets blocked by another Traveling Philosopher, which normally results in two dead philosophers. Shouldn't they just sit aside and start discussing?
"This is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I'm quite dizzy with anticipation . . . Or is it the wind? There really is a lot of that now, isn't there? And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming toward me very fast? Very, very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide-sounding name like . . . ow . . . ound . . . round . . . ground! That's it! That's a good name- ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me? Hello Ground!"
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the Sprouting Phytohydra as it fell was Oh no, not again.
How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
MaRo has said that they *cannot* (as opposed to will not) break the reserved list, and also says he can't talk about why or even talk about why he can't talk about why. Which smacks of a legal settlement with a nondisclosure clause.
He's also pretty clearly stated that having a different name still makes something "functionally identical". It'd need to have a different card type or some other stat in order to be considered not functionally identical (for the same reason that Divination is considered a "functional reprint" of Counsel of the Soratami)
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That's... Terrible. Leave it to the law to ruin everything. There's a reason governments and legal systems exist- to get in a man's way.
EDIT: They could... You know, if they were gutsy (and wanted to infuriate collectors (perhaps the ones who insisted on the bloody list in the first place)), they could print BASIC duals. And RUIN the game, but still, it'd be amusing.
How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
Old talk all over again. It's sad, but the reserved list isn't going anywhere, they will respect it.
Now, the name does not matter, from the reprint policy:
"A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."
So, a land with no drawback that generates 2 types of mana and have boths subtypes (like Forest Island) would be a functional reprint and hurt the reserved list, so dont expect it.
Also, about the "snow" version, can be possible only if we have some snow matter cards again that make it works different in some way, because it does not look different enough
I somehow find it tragic when an attacking Traveling Philosopher gets blocked by another Traveling Philosopher, which normally results in two dead philosophers. Shouldn't they just sit aside and start discussing?
"This is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I'm quite dizzy with anticipation . . . Or is it the wind? There really is a lot of that now, isn't there? And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming toward me very fast? Very, very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide-sounding name like . . . ow . . . ound . . . round . . . ground! That's it! That's a good name- ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me? Hello Ground!"
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the Sprouting Phytohydra as it fell was Oh no, not again.
I gave up hope a long time ago regarding ABUR duals ever coming back. It will not happen, period. And if it does happen it will mean the game will be dying/who cares.
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Would making them Legendary count? It would also stop them breaking things TOO much... (Still quite broken though...)
Yes, making them legendary would make them functionally different. Making them snow would be borderline, as "snowiness" in itself is not really something that alters the cards own mechanics (but interacts with the mechanics of other cards). Legendary on the other hand has a lot of rules associated with it, such as for example being limited to have one legendary card with a specific name on the battlefield at any given time.
However, making new dual-type duals is highly unlikely at the moment, due to the shock lands, as such the Onslaught fetches are much more likely to see reprint.
That said, I am still convinced that the "Something Old" is Orcs. But we will likely find out at the SDCC MTG panel.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
keep in mind Mark Rosewater's position is to basically b a hype man in interviews like this.
I wouldn't get too excited, he is just marketing some card board.
high prices on certain cards make people want to play the game, they're not going to jeopardize the game's future just because some people keep "speculating" that fetchlands and full art lands will be printed in m15, conspiracy, khans, modern masters 2 etc
How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
MaRo has said that they *cannot* (as opposed to will not) break the reserved list, and also says he can't talk about why or even talk about why he can't talk about why. Which smacks of a legal settlement with a nondisclosure clause.
He's also pretty clearly stated that having a different name still makes something "functionally identical". It'd need to have a different card type or some other stat in order to be considered not functionally identical (for the same reason that Divination is considered a "functional reprint" of Counsel of the Soratami)
That's not true at all. He's talked about why they won't violate the Reserved List several times. What it boils down to is that when they made Chronicles, which was a white border set of all reprints, a LOT of collectors got pissed off. The price of the cards that got reprinted dropped significantly, so they made a promise not to reprint most of the older cards again. This promise was the Reserved List as we know it today. There were no lawsuits or anything like that, just a lot of pissed off collectors, and if you're selling a collectible card game you generally don't want to piss off serious collectors since they make up a big portion of your consumer base.
How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
MaRo has said that they *cannot* (as opposed to will not) break the reserved list, and also says he can't talk about why or even talk about why he can't talk about why. Which smacks of a legal settlement with a nondisclosure clause.
He's also pretty clearly stated that having a different name still makes something "functionally identical". It'd need to have a different card type or some other stat in order to be considered not functionally identical (for the same reason that Divination is considered a "functional reprint" of Counsel of the Soratami)
That's not true at all. He's talked about why they won't violate the Reserved List several times. What it boils down to is that when they made Chronicles, which was a white border set of all reprints, a LOT of collectors got pissed off. The price of the cards that got reprinted dropped significantly, so they made a promise not to reprint most of the older cards again. This promise was the Reserved List as we know it today. There were no lawsuits or anything like that, just a lot of pissed off collectors, and if you're selling a collectible card game you generally don't want to piss off serious collectors since they make up a big portion of your consumer base.
This is why they are cautious about reprinting cards.
However: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/24971709764/if-a-formal-petition-is-put-forward-by-magic-players
The Reserved List is a sticky wicket because not only can’t we change it but I can’t even talk about why. Suffice to say, I’d remove it if it were in my power, but it’s not. It’s not going anywhere. You’ll be much happier if you just learn to accept its existence. R&D has spent years learning how to work around it.
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How about the useless gits just abolish the reserved list already? Seriously, gameplay over collectability. Also, do functional reprints actually violate it? I'm looking at the reprint policy right now. It does say "functionally identical", but they could loophole and say that "having a different name" makes it "different enough".
MaRo has said that they *cannot* (as opposed to will not) break the reserved list, and also says he can't talk about why or even talk about why he can't talk about why. Which smacks of a legal settlement with a nondisclosure clause.
He's also pretty clearly stated that having a different name still makes something "functionally identical". It'd need to have a different card type or some other stat in order to be considered not functionally identical (for the same reason that Divination is considered a "functional reprint" of Counsel of the Soratami)
That's not true at all. He's talked about why they won't violate the Reserved List several times. What it boils down to is that when they made Chronicles, which was a white border set of all reprints, a LOT of collectors got pissed off. The price of the cards that got reprinted dropped significantly, so they made a promise not to reprint most of the older cards again. This promise was the Reserved List as we know it today. There were no lawsuits or anything like that, just a lot of pissed off collectors, and if you're selling a collectible card game you generally don't want to piss off serious collectors since they make up a big portion of your consumer base.
Except they realized that it had been a kneejerk reaction to complaints made by people, most of whom no longer played the game, which is why they stopped adding to it after Urza block.
Basically, the primary reason why it is still implemented is because of policy, which is set by corporate, not by the actual designers and developers. And as long as the policy remains as it is, the reserve list will remain with it. However, if corporate one day decides to change the policy, then you can fully expect the reserved list to get removed.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
If another company did buy wizards and own all of the rights to magic the gathering, they would be under no legal obligation to adhere to any old agreements at all. New owners means you can print anything you want, no rules. Then you get dual lands reprints!
Leaving fantasy land now, I'm hoping land destruction comes back. Would it kill them to print pillage and stone rain together? LD isn't even that good of a format anymore with the low costed creatures with heavy power creep. Just do it already. Punish people for their non-basic lands! Boom Boom boom! boom//bust ! Or something better!
Hasbro bought Wizards after the Reserved List was created, but they continue to follow the policy so much for that idea. Perhaps Wizards actually does secretly like the list? I mean, it basically gives them an entire format to support without fearing that stupid list in place. In the Magic gaming world today, I do not at all believe the removal of the Reserved List would hurt the prices of those cards, if anything, the prices of these would skyrocket because people would be expecting reprints, and there's always something special about the original printing(s).
I really don't understand the reprint policy. Technically Reverberate is just a Fork minus the whole making the spell you copy. There is very few instances where it would matter if you made the spell you copied Red. Or printing a "simply better version of it" in the case of Vesuvan Shapeshifter vs Vesuvan Shapeshifter. (doppleganger can't clone hexproof/protection/shroud while re-targeting, while the shapeshifter can].
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To the people that say that a card needs to be a higher rarity because of Limited... I hate you guys so much. I present to you with this.
Why is it that people feel the need to constantly try and break the reserve list. Believe me, it would not benefit WOTC, the players or the game if they did. It would probably end the viability of the game entirely because there would be no more collector confidence and that means people leave the game. I would be with the first to leave myself. Most of all though WOTC would be risking all that and legal action with nothing to gain from it. Its not going to happen... Ever. WOTC would just go under before they would go there..
If another company did buy wizards and own all of the rights to magic the gathering, they would be under no legal obligation to adhere to any old agreements at all. New owners means you can print anything you want, no rules. Then you get dual lands reprints!
Leaving fantasy land now, I'm hoping land destruction comes back. Would it kill them to print pillage and stone rain together? LD isn't even that good of a format anymore with the low costed creatures with heavy power creep. Just do it already. Punish people for their non-basic lands! Boom Boom boom! boom//bust ! Or something better!
Hasbro bought Wizards after the Reserved List was created, but they continue to follow the policy so much for that idea. Perhaps Wizards actually does secretly like the list? I mean, it basically gives them an entire format to support without fearing that stupid list in place. In the Magic gaming world today, I do not at all believe the removal of the Reserved List would hurt the prices of those cards, if anything, the prices of these would skyrocket because people would be expecting reprints, and there's always something special about the original printing(s).
No, when Hasbro bought Wizards, they assumed all contractual liabilities and benefits that were originally assigned to Wizards. That's just how it works when one company buys another.
Why is it that people feel the need to constantly try and break the reserve list. Believe me, it would not benefit WOTC, the players or the game if they did. It would probably end the viability of the game entirely because there would be no more collector confidence and that means people leave the game. I would be with the first to leave myself. Most of all though WOTC would be risking all that and legal action with nothing to gain from it. Its not going to happen... Ever. WOTC would just go under before they would go there..
I still don't see what is illegal about hurting the speculators. Unless if they have a written contract, it is just a promise. And promises can be broken. Also, I play the game because I like the game. I would be happy to lose some money if it meant that more people could play this game, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not worth keeping around.
So we, the players, just need to pool the money to buy WotC and then abolish it ourselves.
Good luck with that, WotC is owned by Hasbro and is one of the latters greatest money makers (M:TG is just that much of a success. And if D&D 4E hadn't been ruined by a certain someone who tried to make it into Chainmail 2.0, WotC would be even bigger).
Why is it that people feel the need to constantly try and break the reserve list. Believe me, it would not benefit WOTC, the players or the game if they did. It would probably end the viability of the game entirely because there would be no more collector confidence and that means people leave the game. I would be with the first to leave myself. Most of all though WOTC would be risking all that and legal action with nothing to gain from it. Its not going to happen... Ever. WOTC would just go under before they would go there..
Except legal action wouldn't do anything. Corporations change policy *all the time*. As long as a removal of the reserved list was implemented *after* a policy change, it would be entirely legal for them to do so. The primary reason why WotC policy hasn't changed is because it has served the company (and their parent company Hasbro for that matter) very well over the years. It is one of the reasons why WotC is much more well liked compared to other similar companies. They stick to policy and treat their fans/customers with a fair amount of respect.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Why is it that people feel the need to constantly try and break the reserve list. Believe me, it would not benefit WOTC, the players or the game if they did. It would probably end the viability of the game entirely because there would be no more collector confidence and that means people leave the game. I would be with the first to leave myself. Most of all though WOTC would be risking all that and legal action with nothing to gain from it. Its not going to happen... Ever. WOTC would just go under before they would go there..
I point to cards like Tarmagoyf, who are actually more expensive due to having been reprinted, in order to point out that even if the reserve list was gone the worth of cards is not in jeopardy. Most reserve list cards wouldn't see print outside of a FTV stile setting anyway.
I'm sure the Reserve List will go away eventually, when whoever they've made whatever settlement with suing them will cost them less money than they'll gain.
This is why suing or fining corporations rarely does anything. If they weren't going to make more money than they would later lose, they wouldn't have done whatever it was in the first place.
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They've said "something we've been asking for for a long time" and we think... Oh, yeah, fetchlands. Right. That's what we've been as- No.
Wizards could go a step above, I say. Functional reprints of the Alpha Duals, I say.
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In theory, we MIGHT be able to see Snow versions of the ABU duals, but that's one of the longer shots out there.
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MaRo has said that they *cannot* (as opposed to will not) break the reserved list, and also says he can't talk about why or even talk about why he can't talk about why. Which smacks of a legal settlement with a nondisclosure clause.
He's also pretty clearly stated that having a different name still makes something "functionally identical". It'd need to have a different card type or some other stat in order to be considered not functionally identical (for the same reason that Divination is considered a "functional reprint" of Counsel of the Soratami)
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EDIT: They could... You know, if they were gutsy (and wanted to infuriate collectors (perhaps the ones who insisted on the bloody list in the first place)), they could print BASIC duals. And RUIN the game, but still, it'd be amusing.
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Old talk all over again. It's sad, but the reserved list isn't going anywhere, they will respect it.
Now, the name does not matter, from the reprint policy:
"A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."
So, a land with no drawback that generates 2 types of mana and have boths subtypes (like Forest Island) would be a functional reprint and hurt the reserved list, so dont expect it.
Also, about the "snow" version, can be possible only if we have some snow matter cards again that make it works different in some way, because it does not look different enough
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Yes, making them legendary would make them functionally different. Making them snow would be borderline, as "snowiness" in itself is not really something that alters the cards own mechanics (but interacts with the mechanics of other cards). Legendary on the other hand has a lot of rules associated with it, such as for example being limited to have one legendary card with a specific name on the battlefield at any given time.
However, making new dual-type duals is highly unlikely at the moment, due to the shock lands, as such the Onslaught fetches are much more likely to see reprint.
That said, I am still convinced that the "Something Old" is Orcs. But we will likely find out at the SDCC MTG panel.
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I wouldn't get too excited, he is just marketing some card board.
high prices on certain cards make people want to play the game, they're not going to jeopardize the game's future just because some people keep "speculating" that fetchlands and full art lands will be printed in m15, conspiracy, khans, modern masters 2 etc
That's not true at all. He's talked about why they won't violate the Reserved List several times. What it boils down to is that when they made Chronicles, which was a white border set of all reprints, a LOT of collectors got pissed off. The price of the cards that got reprinted dropped significantly, so they made a promise not to reprint most of the older cards again. This promise was the Reserved List as we know it today. There were no lawsuits or anything like that, just a lot of pissed off collectors, and if you're selling a collectible card game you generally don't want to piss off serious collectors since they make up a big portion of your consumer base.
This is why they are cautious about reprinting cards.
However: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/24971709764/if-a-formal-petition-is-put-forward-by-magic-players
The Reserved List is a sticky wicket because not only can’t we change it but I can’t even talk about why. Suffice to say, I’d remove it if it were in my power, but it’s not. It’s not going anywhere. You’ll be much happier if you just learn to accept its existence. R&D has spent years learning how to work around it.
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Except they realized that it had been a kneejerk reaction to complaints made by people, most of whom no longer played the game, which is why they stopped adding to it after Urza block.
Basically, the primary reason why it is still implemented is because of policy, which is set by corporate, not by the actual designers and developers. And as long as the policy remains as it is, the reserve list will remain with it. However, if corporate one day decides to change the policy, then you can fully expect the reserved list to get removed.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Hasbro bought Wizards after the Reserved List was created, but they continue to follow the policy so much for that idea. Perhaps Wizards actually does secretly like the list? I mean, it basically gives them an entire format to support without fearing that stupid list in place. In the Magic gaming world today, I do not at all believe the removal of the Reserved List would hurt the prices of those cards, if anything, the prices of these would skyrocket because people would be expecting reprints, and there's always something special about the original printing(s).
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No, when Hasbro bought Wizards, they assumed all contractual liabilities and benefits that were originally assigned to Wizards. That's just how it works when one company buys another.
I still don't see what is illegal about hurting the speculators. Unless if they have a written contract, it is just a promise. And promises can be broken. Also, I play the game because I like the game. I would be happy to lose some money if it meant that more people could play this game, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not worth keeping around.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Good luck with that, WotC is owned by Hasbro and is one of the latters greatest money makers (M:TG is just that much of a success. And if D&D 4E hadn't been ruined by a certain someone who tried to make it into Chainmail 2.0, WotC would be even bigger).
Except legal action wouldn't do anything. Corporations change policy *all the time*. As long as a removal of the reserved list was implemented *after* a policy change, it would be entirely legal for them to do so. The primary reason why WotC policy hasn't changed is because it has served the company (and their parent company Hasbro for that matter) very well over the years. It is one of the reasons why WotC is much more well liked compared to other similar companies. They stick to policy and treat their fans/customers with a fair amount of respect.
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This is why suing or fining corporations rarely does anything. If they weren't going to make more money than they would later lose, they wouldn't have done whatever it was in the first place.