We all know who the antagonists of the Multiverse are, right? Right. If you aren't a rabid Vorthos like myself, the main bad guys currently are:
Nicol Bolas: Pre-Mending elder dragon planeswalker extraordinaire, turned ordinaire, looking to be extra-extraordinaire. His colors are Grixis although he manipulates agents of other colors.
The Eldrazi: Lovecraftian eating machines that absorb all colors of mana, rendering it useless. Colorless on a whole new scale.
The Phyrexians: The big bad used-to-be-colorless but now can and does manipulate all colors on New Phyrexia.
All three are capable of planeswalking (c'mon, Venser's planeswalking technology is just going to disappear on New Phyrexia?) and are therefore a threat to the Multiverse. Other planar threats are tangential to the main M:tG storyline. All three combine the color pie to further their goals while our main protagonists are mostly mono-colored. How is a planeswalker supposed to cope with all this with just one tool in the box?
S/He isn't. Multi-color cards are more powerful than mono-color and we have been seeing a trend of two-color 'walkers lately. If we combine a couple of the variants of Ajani and Sarkhan, we can get Naya and Jund respectively. This, combined with Ramaz (BUG colors) confirms for me that we are moving toward a multi-color bunch of Planeswalkers to combat the above-mentioned threats.
We all know the protagonists of the universe, right? Sure you do since they outnumber the antagonists. But I'm going to list both anyway along with where I think their tri-color is going to land for the big battle. As for when, I think we can expect a gigantic multi-planar war involving some or all of the major protagonists coming after the Lock, Stock and Barrel block of 2016-17. Here are my baseless conclusions (again, these are VERY CONDITIONAL):
Ajani Goldmane - Naya; see above.
Ashiok - Possibly Esper if some of the speculative Kamigawa connections are accurate.
Nicol Bolas - Grixis (duh.)
Chandra Nalaar - Red Wild Card, possibly WBR?
Domri Rade - No idea about this guy.
Elspeth Tirel - If she survives/escapes Theros, I see her going Bant all the way.
Garruk Wildspeaker - WBG; I think he'll see the light eventually.
Gideon Jura - White Wild Card; WBR, if Chandra doesn't make it.
Jace Beleren - Esper colors.
Karn - Remain colorless or go full WUBRG on our asses.
Kiora - BRG; I just see her as super impulsive.
Koth - I don't think he will survive, maybe his spark will be used to power phyrexian planeswalking.
Nissa Revane - Green Wild Card; WBG or BRG; based solely on interactions with Sorin.
Ral Zarek - Grixis all the way.
Ramaz - BUG; Duh.
Sarkhan Vol - Jund; see above.
Tezzeret - Esper; I see him also turning some kind of leaf in the future.
Tibalt - Who really cares?
Tamiyo - Blue Wild Card; I could see her in Bant colors, eventually.
Venser - Already dead.
I am sure I missed a shard or wedge or planeswalker somewhere. Please, let me know what you think of all this. Story-wise, it all adds up for me, how about for you? Would it even work mechanically? Am I insane??
tl;dr If any planeswalkers are going tri-color, these will be the colors.
Lol you suggesting Wizards cull some of their line-up?
This isn't some Avengers movie you know, where they face numerous budgetary issues... The more walkers Wizards create, the better line of play and diversity they bring to the game.
If they ever try to do another shard walker, there has to be a solid reason and associated plane (usually the block sets) to go to.
The best chances of a shard walker are Ajani and Sarkhan.
Elspeth in all her iterations have been white. She ousted Ajani as the most popular white walker, 'forcing' Wizards to repackage him in a more multicolor variant, and to good effect. Gideon is the other challenger in white. I don't foresee the two deviating from their "whiteness".
Ditto Jace, Chandra, and Liliana.
However, Wizards "are" showing signs of letting walkers bleed into a secondary color, starting with this year's Garruk. But that has to do more with the advanced storyline. For all we know, Garruk is the only one this year to see the change.
I think Ramaz will enter into RUG soon just like Kiora getting a card this last block. Sarkhan could definitely pass as a Jund walker. All the rest I don't really see changing. They would have to introduce more 'Walkers. I love what you said about Tibalt though.
A lot of this is highly unlikely.
They will never make all the Planeswalkers multicolored just because they want monocolored decks able to use them too
(and mono walkers can go in more multicolored decks than multi-PWs can, anyway).
Kiora is far more likely to go BUG than RUG- they even said she could have been BUG in a BNG development article.
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Sen Triplets
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Thank you for adding to the point I'm trying to make. Elspeth is not walking away from Theros unchanged if she gets to walk at all, that much is certain. It will be reflected in her color scheme, I'm almost certain of it. Wizards has been "letting walkers bleed" for years. Ajani Vengeant, Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and Sorin to name a couple others. Again, thank you for adding to the point, Bolas.
I agree that this is HIGHLY UNLIKELY but this is baseless speculation and a very conditional one at that. But as for Tibalt, that guy is seriously like the used car salesman of the Multiverse. How many WotC products can they fit this guy into??
All three are capable of planeswalking (c'mon, Venser's planeswalking technology is just going to disappear on New Phyrexia?) and are therefore a threat to the Multiverse. Other planar threats are tangential to the main M:tG storyline. All three combine the color pie to further their goals while our main protagonists are mostly mono-colored. How is a planeswalker supposed to cope with all this with just one tool in the box?
S/He isn't. Multi-color cards are more powerful than mono-color and we have been seeing a trend of two-color 'walkers lately. If we combine a couple of the variants of Ajani and Sarkhan, we can get Naya and Jund respectively. This, combined with Ramaz (BUG colors) confirms for me that we are moving toward a multi-color bunch of Planeswalkers to combat the above-mentioned threats.
We all know the protagonists of the universe, right? Sure you do since they outnumber the antagonists. But I'm going to list both anyway along with where I think their tri-color is going to land for the big battle. As for when, I think we can expect a gigantic multi-planar war involving some or all of the major protagonists coming after the Lock, Stock and Barrel block of 2016-17. Here are my baseless conclusions (again, these are VERY CONDITIONAL):
Ashiok - Possibly Esper if some of the speculative Kamigawa connections are accurate.( EDIT:Why did you reworked on this? , are you confidant now that he will not die?, What connections with Kamigawa?)
Chandra Nalaar - Red Wild Card, possibly WBR?
Domri Rade - No idea about this guy.
Elspeth Tirel - If she survives/escapes Theros, I see her going Bant all the way.
Garruk Wildspeaker - WBG; I think he'll see the light eventually.
Gideon Jura - White Wild Card; WBR, if Chandra doesn't make it.
Jace Beleren - Esper colors.
Karn - Remain colorless or go full WUBRG on our asses.
Kiora - BRG( EDIT:No she is mostly GU and a litle Bfor being selfish and arogaant.); I just see her as super impulsive.
Koth - I don't think he will survive, maybe his spark will be used to power phyrexian planeswalking.
Nissa Revane - Green Wild Card; WBG or BRG; based solely on interactions with Sorin. ( Edit: Not W in her interactions with sorin ... but she can be when it comes to Elves RULES , but even soo G already covers that)
Ral Zarek - Grixis all the way.
Ramaz - BUG ( Edit : RUG !!!!); Duh.
Sarkhan Vol - Jund; see above.
Tezzeret - Esper; I see him also turning some kind of leaf in the future.( Edit: "Some kind of Leaf" - WTF???, Also he is not that W... He is mainly Mono U and has a UB version of hin on "Power at all costs"...)
Tibalt - Who really cares? ( Edit : I care... As do alot of people. The Character is Nice. Come on a MultiPlanar Half Demon who likes to torture people and is somewhat proficient in Necromancy... WTF do you have to read flavor too cards are poor at showing characters...)
Tamiyo - Blue Wild Card; I could see her in Bant colors, eventually.
Venser - Already dead.
I am sure I missed a shard or wedge or planeswalker somewhere. Please, let me know what you think of all this. Story-wise, it all adds up for me, how about for you? Would it even work mechanically? Am I insane??
tl;dr If any planeswalkers are going tri-color, these will be the colors.
Did some Edits on the quuote.
As for the Rest:
Planeswalkers usualy uses spells that are off they color identity, They personality leves then into a color identity , for instance : chandra usualy could counter a spell some day ( with counterspell) but she doesn't like to use this tricks ( she is inpulsive) and soo we usually see her casting Chandra's outrage and others burn spells...
Karn has multiple people living in his head ( more like memories) he is like 100 people in one body and one master mind ( and a fat soul).
Garruk for exemple is moving to B cause the curse is also **** his brain(mind) and he is becoming more and more brutal...
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Chandra is Mono R and will stay ( maybe we see a dual colored version but not soon)
Domri is a young Planeswalker he can still change alot...
Elspeth is mono W ( maybe WG but W covers her perfectly...)
Garruk is mono G The new interactions of Hin as BG is due to the curse Liliana casted on hin, Changing his mind as a secundary effect.
Gideon is mono W ( maybe WR but he is kind of a avatar of justice)
Jace is mono U ( Maybe moving to UW in the future and even soo he was formely a UB charcter mostly of times and also a WU on some others, but jace is a good guy even if he blackmailed some rich guys in Ravnica, he did it to survive and not to the golds and be rich or other things he did mainly to have some place to return (a home))
Karn is already a WUBRG character ...
Koth is mono R mainly ( but i can see he moving to RB looking for power to DESTROY Phyrexia)
Ral has a litle B in his personality
Sarkhan Vol is a Jund walker by nature his first version being the brutal nature and his second power over sanity.
Tamiyo is U but i can see her being WU if she starts to care about people at all...
The walker I want to see as a tri colored in the future is Xenagos ( If he doesn't actually die to Elspeth )
Maybe he can turn into Jund colors ( B looking for power for his vegeance) ( and having some parts of his body cvered in starfield (AKA implants) ( right Hand for a exemple)), Maybe :
Xenagos (Last Name) 2BRG
Planeswalker-Xenagos
+2: Xenagos deals 2 damage to each creature. For each creature that dies this way, Xenagos deals 1 damage to its controler
Maybe
-0: Draw a card then lose 1 life.
-14: Xenagos deals 10 damage to each oponent. Those players can't gain life and can't play spells for the rest of the game .
SL:2
something pushed and nice
3-colour walkers could appear in future, but I'd expect that to be the exception rather than the norm. Wizards like the planeswalkers to be their showpiece cards, and hence to have them show up in decks. It is more difficult for multicolour cards to show up in decks.
I totally agree that some planeswalkers are pushed more than others (we can see Dack Fayden is a great example) and others still are there for story (or balance) only (Kiora, Ral, I'm looking at you, kids). I guess my real point is that in order for one of the protagonists to hope match the power of even one of the Big Three Baddies they need to move beyond simple cooperation (though this will also be key) and increase power, which translates into wider color access. Mechanically, from two colors, we can jump to three if the mana base (Mana Confluence, if you will?) is there. Call it intuition.
So I guess from there we can ask the question(s): What is needed to defeat the scheming of Nicol Bolas; the raw destructive force of the Eldrazi; and/or the assimilating power of Phyrexia? I think the MAIN characters we have on the "good guys'" side are pretty well laid out as are the MAIN "bad guys." Sure, we will have more planeswalkers introduced but, for the most part, I think they will play minor roles at best(Xenagos for Theros). I think Ramaz is coming down the cardboard pipeline and as a (seemingly) RUG planeswalker, I think he is opening the door for more down the road.
Tibalt is a cool walker, probably RB because of blightning. It's not his fault R&D used him to test the waters of a 2-cmc planeswalker (terrible idea btw)
Much cooler than generic Mary-sue characters like Jace anyway
I totally agree that some planeswalkers are pushed more than others (we can see Dack Fayden is a great example) and others still are there for story (or balance) only (Kiora, Ral, I'm looking at you, kids). I guess my real point is that in order for one of the protagonists to hope match the power of even one of the Big Three Baddies they need to move beyond simple cooperation (though this will also be key) and increase power, which translates into wider color access. Mechanically, from two colors, we can jump to three if the mana base (Mana Conflue
nce, if you will?) is there. Call it intuition.
So I guess from there we can ask the question(s): What is needed to defeat the scheming of Nicol Bolas; the raw destructive force of the Eldrazi; and/or the assimilating power of Phyrexia? I think the MAIN characters we have on the "good guys'" side are pretty well laid out as are the MAIN "bad guys." Sure, we will have more planeswalkers introduced but, for the most part, I think they will play minor roles at best(Xenagos for Theros). I think Ramaz is coming down the cardboard pipeline and as a (seemingly) RUG planeswalker, I think he is opening the door for more down the road.
guy i don t get it you say you are a vorthos but you are like a kid that is looking into cards without even reading more from the flavor of the game...
Bolas is not really a "bad guy" .
-Yes he makes plots and schemes but right now he is not indestructible untouchable like he was when he was a old walker pre mending...
-He apeared on Alara and schemed war within the shards before them reunited and before alara was reborn to have acess to the energy of the maelstrom...
-He would not plot the freedom of the Eldrazi( that if freed from zendikar completely would put an clock on the multiverse( all planes being consumed eventually and thus no way to Nicol survive after that)(Hell when the medding was happening he was kind of scare about it ( Time Spiral Block))) If he didn't have a way to stop then and get what he want from this.
-Nicol had a multiplanar consorsion that later Tezeret disrupted ( and witch Ramaz looks to be part of)(Ramaz actualy send chandra after the scroll that lead her to Zendikar by orders of nicol) After that Nicol nearly killed tezeret and recontructed he to serve hin.
-Nicol sended Tezeret to Mirrodin/NewPhyrexia to watch and report phyrexian's activity.
When pulled apart from the rest of its kin, any individual can be observed to discover similar traits to its color or guild, yet toned down to a smaller, more 'realistic' scale. For such an example (based upon the first color of this article), White as a group works toward peace, harmony, and unity for the world. However, for White as an ordinary individual or citizen, these goals can easily be considered "too large" for their day-to-day life. To clarify the difference, a White group would believe in order and ethics, and would enforce its belief by enacting rules, ordinances, and laws. However, a White individual would do something on a much smaller scale, like prefer that his or her family eat at the dinner table and not in front of the television, would put value in dining etiquette and proper manners. A White group can outcast a troublesome individual, but an individual has little to no power in doing such a thing on his or her own. (See Gaze of Justice for a perfect representation of this.)
However, there are some guidelines and some rules for determining the identity of a character.
There are five flexible traits, primarily present in one color but visible in characters of all colors. These five traits are as follows:
An organized character is not automatically White. A character that values organization, however, may be. For reference Black/Red has shown signs of organization in such cases as the mathematically designed destruction of Void, and the efficiently-costed, targeted destruction of Terminate. Green/White has shown self-concern in the form of life gain (Heroes' Reunion), but that does not make Green/White selfish — that would be comparable to saying that a person is selfish for brushing his or her teeth. Instinct is unavoidable in all forms of non-artificial life, as even vampires must feed to sate their natural hunger. Wizards cannot learn on an empty-stomach and even they are drawn to sexual partners — it is as nature wills, but that does not make them Green. It is the value of these traits that defines a character to a color, not the presence of them. That said, their presence should not be taken into heavy consideration.
Influences must be taken into account. If the character spends a great deal of time around Black characters, he or she will likely do some things that can be considered selfish or outright Black. This does not make them Black, as they may have been suffering under peer pressure, they may have lost or may be losing sight of morality, he or she may not be entirely aware of what they're doing, or they could perhaps be in the process of reconsidering his or her own views and making a shift into or toward the color. Influences also come from bloodline, race, and occupation. If the character is a Goblin in the Azorius Senate, he or she may be Blue/White, but will likely have a Red influence that will surface in his or her actions, words, responses, or thoughts. Typically when an opposing influence surfaces it serves only to dilute the character's other colors. For example, a Black/Red character with a White influence would be a much more toned down version of a Black/Red character.
And again a character thats is aligned with 2+ colors is not more powerfull than a mono colored one or one with less colors( they cards may be but this is due balance on development)
We gets multicolored walkers when flavor meets sets demands ( if the character has personality for the colors or if there is something happening (ex:curse)).
Thank you for links to things I have already read and stated. They will be helpful for someone who has not read them. I'm not sure where you began misunderstanding my points but I will try to help clarify. There is a reason I use "good guys" and "bad guys" in quotations that I thought was clear to everybody. That reason is that there is OBVIOUSLY more nuance in the archetypes than "good" or "bad" but it seemed like the words protagonist and antagonist were similarly misunderstood.
Anyway, I think I remember somewhere saying that Nissa (or some other planeswalker) will eventually have to make a choice between saving one plane (Zendikar?) or several. I see MANY 'walkers having to make these choices in the near future, much like Elspeth. She desperately wants to stop fighting but is needed everywhere she goes. Depending on how the story ends, she may have found her solace in service and death. Or, she may become enthralled to Erebos like every other Sun's Champion before her. It's exciting to speculate and I think it opens the doors later for other 'walkers to make similarly difficult decisions. This will be reflected in future iterations. I don't know why two people on this forum are so bent out of shape about that idea.
Tibalt is a cool walker, probably RB because of blightning. It's not his fault R&D used him to test the waters of a 2-cmc planeswalker (terrible idea btw)
Much cooler than generic Mary-sue characters like Jace anyway
I also saw a guy that had a binder full of original Tibalt's so there is some draw to the card. Tibalt will likely be more memorable then other planeswalkers that never did anything in constructed.
Some of your speculation is just silly. For one not all of the walkers will even leave a single color much less reach 3.
Ajani Goldmane: Yes if Ajani gains another color he will go Naya but I don't see him going back to red.
Ashiok: Ashiok wont budge. Far to selfish for white or green and to calculating for blue.
Nicol Bolas: Yes Bolas is Grixis. For the person who said Bolas isn't a villain, barring some severely busted moral standards on your part you're wrong. Bolas manipulates and kills people to start wars for the sake of gaining power. That's a villain if I've ever seen one.
Chandra Nalaar: Chandra is as red as it gets. She certainly will never touch white. Black is a small possibility but doubtful. She's not selfish she just wants to be free.
Domri Rade: We don't know enough about Domri but I don't think we'll see him gain a color.
Elspeth Tirel: Elspeth, who will survive her current encounter, wont be Bant. She's definitely not Blue and is only a tiny bit Green in not wanting to see change
Garruk Wildspeaker: Speculatively Garruk will see another GB incarnation but only because of the Curse of the Chain Veil. Otherwise Garruk is pure Green. No other colors.
Gideon Jura: Gideon might one day see a WR version. He's pretty solid in White though.
Jace Beleren: As blue as it gets. A hint of black here and there but not enough to say he'll ever see a printing with a second color.
Karn: Colorless. Period.
Kiora: GU. Could be BUG. I think it's possible to mistake her arrogance and selfishness for impulsiveness but I think that's not a good place to go with her.
Koth: The closest Koth gets to a second color is green but caring about ones people is plenty red when done out of love.
Lilliana: She's as black as they come. Completely self absorbed, Ambitious beyond the understanding of the average person, and a necromancer to boot.
Nissa Revane: BG at the most.
Ral Zarek: Yeah Ral could hit Grixis. He was shown to be pretty selfish and power hungry in The Secretist.
Sarkhan Vol: Has been both GR and RB. Unlike Ajani I don't think it's a problem for him to use all three of his colors.
Sorin: WB. He could see green but the ways in which he is green are pretty much covered in the overlap with white.
Tezzeret: Tezz is very much akin to Jace. Mono U until he was mentally shattered by nearly dieing and then being rebuilt by Bolas where he picked up black. Other than that I really haven't seen reason for him to even be Black.
Tibalt: Tibalt could definitely see RB. In fact I'd say the next time we see him he will be.
Tamiyo: Tamiyo is Blue. In fact I'd say she's more Blue than Jace.
Vraska: BG and unlikely to change.
Venser and Xenagos lost all their color.
Also: The Eldrazi and the Phyrexians can't planeswalk. The Eldrazi are very much stuck on Zendikar. The Phyrexians had a portal from one world to another in the old stories I think and got to Mirrodan by a hint of the glistening oil hitching a ride on Karn.
Litle corrections:
1: the eldrazy could originaly go to the blind eternities and eat the core of planes there. They could until sorrin ugin and the lavamancer atracted them to zendikar and imprisioned them in physical form and then sealed them alway
2: The old phyrexians got planeswalking tecnology . They hunted Urza though some planes and have influences on others too ( Serra's realm , rath, mercardia,dominaria, teriase) they wanted to invade dominaria take control of it and make it they base cause it is/was the center of the multiverse and soo it would be easy to give phyrexia's blessing to all planes.
Some litle things that i think is apropriate
:
Karn has a very unique personality: he is like a collection of minds memories and personalities that includes his own , and that is for me much closer to wath a 5 colored personality is.
Bolas is not a really bad guy in the multiplanar scheme, he is not a force that can and want to **** with every thing, he wants to regain his lost powers and abilities . He can cause war and destruction on some planes but he is conserned with for exemple : phyrexians uniting they forces, the multiverse blowing and every thing geting erased from reality.
Yeah he is a mastermind and greed old dragon and sometimes he kills people but he is a necesary evil too.
Much like sorrin that kills inocent people just cause he likes is conserned about the eldrazi and the extinction of humans in inistrad can be counted as a " good" character nicol can also be...
Sorin cares about balance, about his peoples' ability to feed on Innistrad, about the Eldrazi not ruining the Multiverse so his people can continue to feed. I wouldn't necessarily call him "good" in any sense. Plus, white isn't about "good" any more than black is about "evil." Maybe read those links you left for me, Iselak? Selfless and selfish. Sorin's new incarnation encompasses both impulses and fuses them into balance, therefore B/W. Where Sorin achieves white aims for black reasons, Bolas achieves black aims through red and blue (and, of course, black) means with no thought for balance. In fact, Bolas is working very actively to UPSET the balance created by the Mending. So... I don't really see your point, Iselak.
Side note: I'm happy that this got some discussion going.
I won't lie. I peed my pants a little (to a lot) when I saw this. Yes, I know not ALL planeswalkers will be tri-colored but the confirmation kind of gave me a little bit (to a lot) of hope.
I won't lie. I peed my pants a little (to a lot) when I saw this. Yes, I know not ALL planeswalkers will be tri-colored but the confirmation kind of gave me a little bit (to a lot) of hope.
Not confirmation...
Just he saying what every one is saying...
Ramaz was presented as a RUG character/walker
Ajani that has already been a WR and WG character/walker and that is well trained on spell casting soul magics(
) and WRG magics in general (Titanic Ultimatum) can eventually become a WRG walker card.
Almost the same on Sarkhan being RGB, after being RG and RB...
When he says that Chandra or Gideon will be tri colored walkers then we can say Holy ****
Sorin cares about balance, about his peoples' ability to feed on Innistrad, about the Eldrazi not ruining the Multiverse so his people can continue to feed. I wouldn't necessarily call him "good" in any sense. Plus, white isn't about "good" any more than black is about "evil." Maybe read those links you left for me, Iselak? Selfless and selfish. Sorin's new incarnation encompasses both impulses and fuses them into balance, therefore B/W. Where Sorin achieves white aims for black reasons, Bolas achieves black aims through red and blue (and, of course, black) means with no thought for balance. In fact, Bolas is working very actively to UPSET the balance created by the Mending. So... I don't really see your point, Iselak.
Side note: I'm happy that this got some discussion going.
I never said Sorin Was "good" because he has a card with W in its mana cost... This is your words not mine...
Organization and Self-concern are major feats on Sorin...
White puts value in the group, the community, and its civilization as a whole. White's ultimate goal is peace, harmony, and perfection — a world where everyone gets along and no one seeks to disturb the bonds of unity that White had worked so long to forge(does this looks familiar?). To govern and protect its community, White makes use of and puts value in a number of broad concepts; morality (ethics, grace, truth), order (law, discipline, duty), uniformity (conformity, religion), and structure (government, planning, reason).
His multiple millennia have brought him detachment and easy confidence. Unlike Bolas, Sorin doesn't concern himself with gathering power or control. He is content to follow his whims, even when those whims are cruel or deadly. Sorin is well traveled and well heeled. Having seen hundreds of planes over thousands of years, he has become a sort of bon vivant, seeking novelty and new diversions. But despite his fundamentally hedonistic nature, Sorin does feel the pull of more lasting concerns, and over his long life this tendency has resulted in an arcane schedule of engagements and forays to far-flung planes. As a result Sorin is a busy man, planeswalking frequently to pursue concerns known only to him. Sorin always seems to have business elsewhere.
One such commitment involves the plane of Zendikar. Long ago Sorin cooperated with two other planeswalkers to complete a ritual that would alter Zendikar forever. The three agreed that if the results of their ritual were ever to be disturbed, all three would return to Zendikar. And although Sorin has held up his end of the agreement, he now finds himself alone on the plane with no sign of his former cohorts. For now he must keep the nature of their work to himself, lest he endanger himself and the plane even more.
Sorin is "good" cause his actions on the story soo far ( The Eldrazi, Inistrad) was kind to "save" people or worlds ( " or prevent the destruction of others") even when he is not doing that he is a **** that kill people and don't give a *** to them.
That post from Beyer does seem to imply Naya Ajani and Jund Sarkhan are concepts they've played around with.
It wouldn't take much doing to make Tezzeret follow W a bit more to be full Esper colors,
which really makes me wonder about Elspeth.
She's been nothing but mono-W so far,
but it would be a real shame for every Alara PW but her to get a version that fully represents their Shard.
I'd also be very interested to see a 3-color, 3CMC PW.
They could really push the power of a three mana 'walker there.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Elspeth is an interesting story. I think it will be halted in Theros as she becomes trapped in Erebos' realm or in Nyx but beyond that, I can't really see. As I've said before I think she'll be irrevocably changed from her encounter with Xenagos (as will he) but would that push her in a Bant-colored direction? I suppose we will have to wait until we return to Theros to see what Ashiok has done with the place.
Tezzeret? I think he WILL be white sometime in the future but what would push him that way? Hatred for Bolas? A threat to Esper/Alara? We are entering the - I think - 4th year of the 6/7 year plan mentioned by MaRo. I'm hoping to return to either New Phyrexia (to see some closure to Koth, Karn and Tezzeret's story) or Zendikar (because I'm a huge Eldrazi fanboy) before the end of the Lock block in 2017. My money is on Zendikar but either way, Bolas will be lurking in the background.
Litle corrections:
1: the eldrazy could originaly go to the blind eternities and eat the core of planes there. They could until sorrin ugin and the lavamancer atracted them to zendikar and imprisioned them in physical form and then sealed them alway
2: The old phyrexians got planeswalking tecnology . They hunted Urza though some planes and have influences on others too ( Serra's realm , rath, mercardia,dominaria, teriase) they wanted to invade dominaria take control of it and make it they base cause it is/was the center of the multiverse and soo it would be easy to give phyrexia's blessing to all planes.
Some litle things that i think is apropriate
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Karn has a very unique personality: he is like a collection of minds memories and personalities that includes his own , and that is for me much closer to wath a 5 colored personality is.
Bolas is not a really bad guy in the multiplanar scheme, he is not a force that can and want to **** with every thing, he wants to regain his lost powers and abilities . He can cause war and destruction on some planes but he is conserned with for exemple : phyrexians uniting they forces, the multiverse blowing and every thing geting erased from reality.
Yeah he is a mastermind and greed old dragon and sometimes he kills people but he is a necesary evil too.
Much like sorrin that kills inocent people just cause he likes is conserned about the eldrazi and the extinction of humans in inistrad can be counted as a " good" character nicol can also be...
So Bolas isn't a bad guy because he doesn't want to die when the whole multiverse is destroyed or the phyrexians are going to spread to the four corners and threaten him? Bull crap...I think he's done plenty to deserve to be called a "badguy". I mean call an apple an apple, thats like saying Hitler wasn't a bad guy just because he was just a troubled old artist and sometimes he kills people but he is a necessary evil too. lol. And BTW Sorin is far from a good guy, but he had done much more towards being good that Bolas ever will.
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Some of the issue here is that, while it'd allow for more card creative design room... storyline wise it has a lot of problems.
Let's take Gideon, and trying to put him in WR. We just saw him show up in Ravnica, and work with the Boros Legion. BUT, he was only in it for a strictly White mindset of increasing order and protecting the weak, he defied and denied the Red bloodlust and aggression that fills the Legion. He disagreed with Aurelia, and wanted no part in being her right hand when offered. That means moving him into WR would take more than a little bit of story wiggling to get there.
Domri has a similar problem, his basis is being a Gruul kid, to make him spread into a third color removes that aspect of his identity. He's not of a three color based plane, so adding any of WUB to him denies his home.
They would have to do things like Garruk to really increase the colors of other characters who are so firmly representative of their colors to make them more than what they are. As opposed to say Sorin or Ajani, who are already more open to the secondary colors.
Litle corrections:
1: the eldrazy could originaly go to the blind eternities and eat the core of planes there. They could until sorrin ugin and the lavamancer atracted them to zendikar and imprisioned them in physical form and then sealed them alway
2: The old phyrexians got planeswalking tecnology . They hunted Urza though some planes and have influences on others too ( Serra's realm , rath, mercardia,dominaria, teriase) they wanted to invade dominaria take control of it and make it they base cause it is/was the center of the multiverse and soo it would be easy to give phyrexia's blessing to all planes.
Some litle things that i think is apropriate
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Karn has a very unique personality: he is like a collection of minds memories and personalities that includes his own , and that is for me much closer to wath a 5 colored personality is.
Bolas is not a really bad guy in the multiplanar scheme, he is not a force that can and want to **** with every thing, he wants to regain his lost powers and abilities . He can cause war and destruction on some planes but he is conserned with for exemple : phyrexians uniting they forces, the multiverse blowing and every thing geting erased from reality.
Yeah he is a mastermind and greed old dragon and sometimes he kills people but he is a necesary evil too.
Much like sorrin that kills inocent people just cause he likes is conserned about the eldrazi and the extinction of humans in inistrad can be counted as a " good" character nicol can also be...
So Bolas isn't a bad guy because he doesn't want to die when the whole multiverse is destroyed or the phyrexians are going to spread to the four corners and threaten him? Bull crap...I think he's done plenty to deserve to be called a "badguy". I mean call an apple an apple, thats like saying Hitler wasn't a bad guy just because he was just a troubled old artist and sometimes he kills people but he is a necessary evil too. lol. And BTW Sorin is far from a good guy, but he had done much more towards being good that Bolas ever will.
I m not saying Bolas is a "good" guy either what i mean is that:
When he eventualy gets what he wants(recover part of his powers pre medding) he will probably sit down on some plane and make it his home ( like he did before) soo after he gets what he wants he will not be a threat to the multiverse ( what he today barely is) soo puting hin on the same level as phyrexians and eldrazies is kind of dumb...
Also besides Tezzeret and maybe Ajani(cause of his brother)(I don't think this is the case anymore) what walker wants to kill bolas(defeat)?
If there is like 2 other walkers that realy wants to see bolas on the grownd then he can be considered a "antagonist"(he is mostly of the times, yes( in 1 block he was the ANTAGONIST and in another just schemed)).
Right now there is no plot to make Nicol a antagonist again, unless he appears in a block again as the "villain" but outside that he is not a big evil to be taken down...
Or are you one of the "Bolas is the main vilain of magic" guys that since Alara, Zendikar(barely),SOM(New Phyrexia)(very barely) asks if bolas is the vilain of the block . ( like in RTR people speculating on bolas having something to do with the block)(or with ashiok being a agent of bolas in Theros)(Or bolas having something to do with inistrad)( or with bolas having soething to do with the next block that wasn't even oficialy announced...)
The Phyrexians: The big bad used-to-be-colorless but now can and does manipulate all colors on New Phyrexia.
Associated with Black originally, not colorless. Yes, there were Phyrexian artifacts, but Black was their thing.
(c'mon, Venser's planeswalking technology is just going to disappear on New Phyrexia?)
His Planeswalking technology never GOT to New Phyrexia. He was kidnapped by Koth before he was even done with the stuff.
As for when, I think we can expect a gigantic multi-planar war involving some or all of the major protagonists coming after the Lock
5 Planewalkers a block. That's it. If you want a gigantic multi-planar war, with many tri-color protagonists, it would involve multiple multi-color sets. Not a thing Wizards wants to do. Also they're generally of the opinion that the sets should have a self-contained story, if possible, with some loose ends they can use later if need be.
Ashiok - Possibly Esper if some of the speculative Kamigawa connections are accurate.
What connections with Kamigawa? Also, there doesn't seem to be any White about him. What makes you think otherwise?
Chandra Nalaar - Red Wild Card, possibly WBR?
Chandra's so red it hurts. Her stories exhibit little in the way of Black, and while she has had connections with White Planeswalkers, she's also enjoyed some serious crap at the hands of White Mages. She pretty much hates everything about white. It's unlikely she'll get into that. She's the Jaya Ballard of the new-walkers. She ain't adding colors anytime soon.
Elspeth Tirel - If she survives/escapes Theros, I see her going Bant all the way.
This part is obviously speculation, but I'm pretty sure the most popular white Planeswalker will get out of Theros. Jace certainly wasn't stopped by what happened in Ravnica. Additionally, while I can dream of Bant Elspeth, I don't think it fits her. She's not really Blue or Green, and nothing that's happened so far would suggest spreading into those colors, even beating Xenagos. If anything, that'd make her Whiter.
Garruk Wildspeaker - WBG; I think he'll see the light eventually.
Garruk is crazy green. He's also crazy, but that's just the Veil-Curse, which is why he's black. The only order he likes is the natural one, and he openly despises necromancers, which is not all of black, but certainly a significant part of it.
Gideon Jura - White Wild Card; WBR, if Chandra doesn't make it.
Gideon is also pretty white, though if the back-story is to be believed, he was once even more white than he is now. Given the events of his creation, and his stint on Ravnica, I could see him dipping into Red, but Black is so far out of his league it's playing another sport.
Jace Beleren - Esper colors.
Jace could dip into White. There's some potential for it given the events on Ravnica, and some of his allies there. He's also done some things that could be considered Black, such as the stuff with the Infinite Consortium. But given that this is Jace "Poster Child of Magic" we're talking about, it's super unlikely WotC will let him be changed that much.
Kiora - BRG; I just see her as super impulsive.
Safe to assume you meant URG, but that one's iffy. From what we've been told, she's a pretty mean Planeswalker, and impulsivity is not a trait limited to Red. To put it in perspective, the other Planeswalker we've been told in simple terms is horrible is Lilliana, Queen of the Monoblack.
Nissa Revane - Green Wild Card; WBG or BRG; based solely on interactions with Sorin.
Nissa's been sort of confirmed for BG, but Red or White seem off. She does not seem like a Jund sort of Planeswalker, and White, while befitting a potential "Let's save the Zendikar/The Multiverse from the Eldrazi" COULD be a possibility, it's worth noting that her "interaction with Sorin" at this stage was when he was all Black.
Tibalt - Who really cares?
I care. It's not important, but felt like saying it. He's a cool character. I could give two craps about the card.
Tezzeret - Esper; I see him also turning some kind of leaf in the future.
Tezzy seems stuck in a sort of limbo. Black only suited him following his reconstruction. His whole schtick is proving himself to the universe, and his whole back-story could be described as navy: mostly Blue, with some Black thrown in to make it dark. His only interest in others is using them as tools, which is not a White mentality.
Tamiyo - Blue Wild Card; I could see her in Bant colors, eventually.
Don't think there's really enough information to say for certain, but she seems pretty solid Blue. She has no interest in helping others, or doing anything for power. She just wants to learn.
Ajani Vengeant, Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and Sorin to name a couple others. Again, thank you for adding to the point, Bolas.
It should be noted that in Ajani's case, he bled OUT of Red, as Vengeant is his youngest incarnation. I agree that he could become Naya, but he's not a good example in this case. It should also be noted that in the case of...well, all the 'walkers, we have equal or more of one version. Ajani has more mono-white versions than RW, or GW, Garruk's currently got more G than BG, and Tezzy and Sorin are equal for the most part.
The walker I want to see as a tri colored in the future is Xenagos ( If he doesn't actually die to Elspeth Frown )
I totally agree that some planeswalkers are pushed more than others (we can see Dack Fayden is a great example) and others still are there for story (or balance) only (Kiora, Ral, I'm looking at you, kids).
Kiora was put in Theros block due to WotC's understanding that people wanted a GU 'walker, and this set fit perfectly. Story-wise, she's not that important. Ral Zarek was in a similar case, but had a more definitive zone of entry what with the RTR business. And Dack? Well, Dack is his own story. He's only pushed because he's in a product that's only Legacy/Vintage Legal, and WotC really wants him to not be fodder.
I guess my real point is that in order for one of the protagonists to hope match the power of even one of the Big Three Baddies they need to move beyond simple cooperation (though this will also be key) and increase power, which translates into wider color access.
So far, Ajani's managed to chase Nicolbee out of Alara using his own magic against him, Jace has proven smart enough to at least get around Rolly Boly, and Shiv managed to completely best Nickel Bro-las at one point (sort of, on a very specific plane, that may or may not be canon anyway.) Also, increased power does not mean increased access to colors or vice-versa. For comparison, any of Garruk's mono-Green versions versus Garruk, The Veil-Cursed.
Mechanically, from two colors, we can jump to three if the mana base (Mana Confluence, if you will?) is there.
Not really, on two counts. "If the Mana Base is there" would imply crazy high amounts of multi-colored, which as previously mentioned, they try to limit. Secondly, mechanics have very little to do with Planeswalkers. They are controlled largely by the Creative team. If Design so much as thinks about a Planeswalker even looking weird at another source of mana, they have to have a long and serious discussion with Creative about the Planeswalkers Guide to the Multiverse, and why the fans will have a fit if a Planeswalker ends up as off-putting and weird as Liliana of the Dark Realms in comparison to the other forms.
What is needed to defeat the scheming of Nicol Bolas; the raw destructive force of the Eldrazi; and/or the assimilating power of Phyrexia?
I'll take "Magic the Gathering to end and tie off all the plot-lines at once" for 2000 Alex.
Bolas is not really a "bad guy".
He's a bad dragon. Seriously though, he is, by most definitions of story-telling, a bad guy. Our antagonist. He is concerned only with himself, making sure he's the strongest being in the Multi-verse, and getting back to ruling over a large section of it with an iron claw, like a Dictator. His plans so far have consisted of "Destroy a Plane to get my power back, Trick a bunch of idiots into opening the seal on the most powerful Mana-Eaters ever conceived by the Planeswalking Version of H. P. Lovecraft, and send his personal artificer Starscream to a plane made of artifacts, knowing full well he'd attempt to take it over."
There is a reason I use "good guys" and "bad guys" in quotations that I thought was clear to everybody.
You did not use them in regards to the big three, directly referring to them as Bad Guys following antagonist. You referred to the Phyrexians as the "Original Big Bad." It's understandable what you mean by good guys and bad guys however. We're not dealing with Kamigawa level switch-ups here.
Anyway, I think I remember somewhere saying that Nissa (or some other planeswalker) will eventually have to make a choice between saving one plane (Zendikar?) or several.
I see MANY 'walkers having to make these choices in the near future, much like Elspeth.
They already make and have made these choices. Ajani left Alara for multiple reasons, Jace has come to Ravnica and back multiple times, and Gideon did that between Zendikar and Gatecrash.
She desperately wants to stop fighting but is needed everywhere she goes. Depending on how the story ends, she may have found her solace in service and death. Or, she may become enthralled to Erebos like every other Sun's Champion before her.
If Heliod can't do anything to Elspeth, I don't think that Erebos will fare much better. And as previously stated, not likely to kill the most popular White Walker.
I don't know why two people on this forum are so bent out of shape about that idea.
If anyone's bent out of shape it's because, and I'm saying this because I appreciate the conversation, the certainty you claim to have and the defensiveness of your responses are obnoxious, just as I'm sure my wall of opinions is.
Ashiok: Ashiok wont budge. Far to selfish for white or green and to calculating for blue.
I think you mean Red, but it happens.
The Eldrazi are very much stuck on Zendikar.
The Eldrazi very much were stuck on Zendikar. They're free to go now, but they want to finish their meal first. Leaving a half-empty plane would just be rude.
I suppose we will have to wait until we return to Theros to see what Ashiok has done with the place.
IDW can tell you what Ashiok's doing right now. I don't think a return to Theros is all that likely.
I'm hoping to return to either New Phyrexia...
MaRo confirmed one Return to...block in an episode of his podcast, I believe. Mentioned in the seven year plan. I believe it's supposed to be the last block of that plan. New Phyrexia is unlikely, as that was only three (four for the block) years ago. The first Return had a gap of seven.
Who is the main anything in a story that spans thousands of years and hundreds of personalities? If I am missing a major antagonist in the story(s) of Magic, please, feel free to let me know. Otherwise, yes, I would lump in Bolas with the Eldrazi and the Phyrexians in terms of story. Is a knowing and willing Pandora any more or less "evil" than her Box?
If Sarkhan is in this block and dragons are in this block then I would put money on Bolas being in this block. It's called speculation and it's fun.
And seriously, if all Bolas wanted to do was read a book, he's a planeswalking 800-lb gorilla and could do it anywhere he wanted.
I think the problem is, at this point, Bolas has made enough of what he considers gnats that once his full power IS back, he'll want to crush them, and everything they've ever touched.
And it's possible that he's a threat to the Multiverse. We don't know what he wants to do after he gets his full power back, but given his last stint as God-King initiated some of the Time Rifts, it's likely not going to be pleasant for the Multiverse.
And after all the hard work he's put in, he'll probably want a larger territory than last time.
But we don't know. That's what makes him interesting. The Phyrexians want to compleat everything. The Eldrazi want to eat. Bolas is a mystery, and even if he's not against the protagonists, they're generally against him and what he wants. Sarkhan is horribly conflicted, Tezzeret wants to kill him, Ajani is considered his enemy, Jace doesn't enjoy being toyed around with, and Liliana hates that she ever had to make a deal with him. There's plenty that he wants dead or vice-versa.
He's not the main antagonist though. There really isn't one.
On a different note, the Pandora analogy isn't a great one. Pandora doesn't benefit from the box opening. Bolas does benefit from the power he gets back.
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Nicol Bolas: Pre-Mending elder dragon planeswalker extraordinaire, turned ordinaire, looking to be extra-extraordinaire. His colors are Grixis although he manipulates agents of other colors.
The Eldrazi: Lovecraftian eating machines that absorb all colors of mana, rendering it useless. Colorless on a whole new scale.
The Phyrexians: The big bad used-to-be-colorless but now can and does manipulate all colors on New Phyrexia.
All three are capable of planeswalking (c'mon, Venser's planeswalking technology is just going to disappear on New Phyrexia?) and are therefore a threat to the Multiverse. Other planar threats are tangential to the main M:tG storyline. All three combine the color pie to further their goals while our main protagonists are mostly mono-colored. How is a planeswalker supposed to cope with all this with just one tool in the box?
S/He isn't. Multi-color cards are more powerful than mono-color and we have been seeing a trend of two-color 'walkers lately. If we combine a couple of the variants of Ajani and Sarkhan, we can get Naya and Jund respectively. This, combined with Ramaz (BUG colors) confirms for me that we are moving toward a multi-color bunch of Planeswalkers to combat the above-mentioned threats.
We all know the protagonists of the universe, right? Sure you do since they outnumber the antagonists. But I'm going to list both anyway along with where I think their tri-color is going to land for the big battle. As for when, I think we can expect a gigantic multi-planar war involving some or all of the major protagonists coming after the Lock, Stock and Barrel block of 2016-17. Here are my baseless conclusions (again, these are VERY CONDITIONAL):
Ajani Goldmane - Naya; see above.
Ashiok - Possibly Esper if some of the speculative Kamigawa connections are accurate.
Nicol Bolas - Grixis (duh.)
Chandra Nalaar - Red Wild Card, possibly WBR?
Domri Rade - No idea about this guy.
Elspeth Tirel - If she survives/escapes Theros, I see her going Bant all the way.
Garruk Wildspeaker - WBG; I think he'll see the light eventually.
Gideon Jura - White Wild Card; WBR, if Chandra doesn't make it.
Jace Beleren - Esper colors.
Karn - Remain colorless or go full WUBRG on our asses.
Kiora - BRG; I just see her as super impulsive.
Koth - I don't think he will survive, maybe his spark will be used to power phyrexian planeswalking.
Nissa Revane - Green Wild Card; WBG or BRG; based solely on interactions with Sorin.
Ral Zarek - Grixis all the way.
Ramaz - BUG; Duh.
Sarkhan Vol - Jund; see above.
Tezzeret - Esper; I see him also turning some kind of leaf in the future.
Tibalt - Who really cares?
Tamiyo - Blue Wild Card; I could see her in Bant colors, eventually.
Venser - Already dead.
I am sure I missed a shard or wedge or planeswalker somewhere. Please, let me know what you think of all this. Story-wise, it all adds up for me, how about for you? Would it even work mechanically? Am I insane??
tl;dr If any planeswalkers are going tri-color, these will be the colors.
This isn't some Avengers movie you know, where they face numerous budgetary issues... The more walkers Wizards create, the better line of play and diversity they bring to the game.
If they ever try to do another shard walker, there has to be a solid reason and associated plane (usually the block sets) to go to.
The best chances of a shard walker are Ajani and Sarkhan.
Elspeth in all her iterations have been white. She ousted Ajani as the most popular white walker, 'forcing' Wizards to repackage him in a more multicolor variant, and to good effect. Gideon is the other challenger in white. I don't foresee the two deviating from their "whiteness".
Ditto Jace, Chandra, and Liliana.
However, Wizards "are" showing signs of letting walkers bleed into a secondary color, starting with this year's Garruk. But that has to do more with the advanced storyline. For all we know, Garruk is the only one this year to see the change.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
They will never make all the Planeswalkers multicolored just because they want monocolored decks able to use them too
(and mono walkers can go in more multicolored decks than multi-PWs can, anyway).
Kiora is far more likely to go BUG than RUG- they even said she could have been BUG in a BNG development article.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
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Bruna, Light of Alabaster
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Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I agree that this is HIGHLY UNLIKELY but this is baseless speculation and a very conditional one at that. But as for Tibalt, that guy is seriously like the used car salesman of the Multiverse. How many WotC products can they fit this guy into??
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As for the Rest:
Planeswalkers usualy uses spells that are off they color identity, They personality leves then into a color identity , for instance : chandra usualy could counter a spell some day ( with counterspell) but she doesn't like to use this tricks ( she is inpulsive) and soo we usually see her casting Chandra's outrage and others burn spells...
Karn has multiple people living in his head ( more like memories) he is like 100 people in one body and one master mind ( and a fat soul).
Garruk for exemple is moving to B cause the curse is also **** his brain(mind) and he is becoming more and more brutal...
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Chandra is Mono R and will stay ( maybe we see a dual colored version but not soon)
Domri is a young Planeswalker he can still change alot...
Elspeth is mono W ( maybe WG but W covers her perfectly...)
Garruk is mono G The new interactions of Hin as BG is due to the curse Liliana casted on hin, Changing his mind as a secundary effect.
Gideon is mono W ( maybe WR but he is kind of a avatar of justice)
Jace is mono U ( Maybe moving to UW in the future and even soo he was formely a UB charcter mostly of times and also a WU on some others, but jace is a good guy even if he blackmailed some rich guys in Ravnica, he did it to survive and not to the golds and be rich or other things he did mainly to have some place to return (a home))
Karn is already a WUBRG character ...
Koth is mono R mainly ( but i can see he moving to RB looking for power to DESTROY Phyrexia)
Ral has a litle B in his personality
Sarkhan Vol is a Jund walker by nature his first version being the brutal nature and his second power over sanity.
Tamiyo is U but i can see her being WU if she starts to care about people at all...
The walker I want to see as a tri colored in the future is Xenagos ( If he doesn't actually die to Elspeth )
Maybe he can turn into Jund colors ( B looking for power for his vegeance) ( and having some parts of his body cvered in starfield (AKA implants) ( right Hand for a exemple)), Maybe :
Xenagos (Last Name) 2BRG
Planeswalker-Xenagos
+2: Xenagos deals 2 damage to each creature. For each creature that dies this way, Xenagos deals 1 damage to its controler
Maybe
-0: Draw a card then lose 1 life.
-14: Xenagos deals 10 damage to each oponent. Those players can't gain life and can't play spells for the rest of the game .
SL:2
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So I guess from there we can ask the question(s): What is needed to defeat the scheming of Nicol Bolas; the raw destructive force of the Eldrazi; and/or the assimilating power of Phyrexia? I think the MAIN characters we have on the "good guys'" side are pretty well laid out as are the MAIN "bad guys." Sure, we will have more planeswalkers introduced but, for the most part, I think they will play minor roles at best(Xenagos for Theros). I think Ramaz is coming down the cardboard pipeline and as a (seemingly) RUG planeswalker, I think he is opening the door for more down the road.
Much cooler than generic Mary-sue characters like Jace anyway
guy i don t get it you say you are a vorthos but you are like a kid that is looking into cards without even reading more from the flavor of the game...
Bolas is not really a "bad guy" .
-Yes he makes plots and schemes but right now he is not indestructible untouchable like he was when he was a old walker pre mending...
-He apeared on Alara and schemed war within the shards before them reunited and before alara was reborn to have acess to the energy of the maelstrom...
-He would not plot the freedom of the Eldrazi( that if freed from zendikar completely would put an clock on the multiverse( all planes being consumed eventually and thus no way to Nicol survive after that)(Hell when the medding was happening he was kind of scare about it ( Time Spiral Block))) If he didn't have a way to stop then and get what he want from this.
-Nicol had a multiplanar consorsion that later Tezeret disrupted ( and witch Ramaz looks to be part of)(Ramaz actualy send chandra after the scroll that lead her to Zendikar by orders of nicol) After that Nicol nearly killed tezeret and recontructed he to serve hin.
-Nicol sended Tezeret to Mirrodin/NewPhyrexia to watch and report phyrexian's activity.
I don't like to say "good" "bad" cause of this ... Nicol can be seem like a Good guy that turns out to be selfish and thus some times makes "bad" things.
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Bolas's page:
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Nicol_Bolas
Tezeret's page:
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Tezzeret
Ramaz;'s page:
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Ramaz
Tibalt's page:
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Tibalt
usefull pages on the wiki
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http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Color_Pie
This is a thing you need to read:
here you can read some comics:
https://www.wizards.com/magic/Multiverse/planeswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/multiverse/webcomics/main
And again a character thats is aligned with 2+ colors is not more powerfull than a mono colored one or one with less colors( they cards may be but this is due balance on development)
We gets multicolored walkers when flavor meets sets demands ( if the character has personality for the colors or if there is something happening (ex:curse)).
Anyway, I think I remember somewhere saying that Nissa (or some other planeswalker) will eventually have to make a choice between saving one plane (Zendikar?) or several. I see MANY 'walkers having to make these choices in the near future, much like Elspeth. She desperately wants to stop fighting but is needed everywhere she goes. Depending on how the story ends, she may have found her solace in service and death. Or, she may become enthralled to Erebos like every other Sun's Champion before her. It's exciting to speculate and I think it opens the doors later for other 'walkers to make similarly difficult decisions. This will be reflected in future iterations. I don't know why two people on this forum are so bent out of shape about that idea.
I also saw a guy that had a binder full of original Tibalt's so there is some draw to the card. Tibalt will likely be more memorable then other planeswalkers that never did anything in constructed.
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Ajani Goldmane: Yes if Ajani gains another color he will go Naya but I don't see him going back to red.
Ashiok: Ashiok wont budge. Far to selfish for white or green and to calculating for blue.
Nicol Bolas: Yes Bolas is Grixis. For the person who said Bolas isn't a villain, barring some severely busted moral standards on your part you're wrong. Bolas manipulates and kills people to start wars for the sake of gaining power. That's a villain if I've ever seen one.
Chandra Nalaar: Chandra is as red as it gets. She certainly will never touch white. Black is a small possibility but doubtful. She's not selfish she just wants to be free.
Domri Rade: We don't know enough about Domri but I don't think we'll see him gain a color.
Elspeth Tirel: Elspeth, who will survive her current encounter, wont be Bant. She's definitely not Blue and is only a tiny bit Green in not wanting to see change
Garruk Wildspeaker: Speculatively Garruk will see another GB incarnation but only because of the Curse of the Chain Veil. Otherwise Garruk is pure Green. No other colors.
Gideon Jura: Gideon might one day see a WR version. He's pretty solid in White though.
Jace Beleren: As blue as it gets. A hint of black here and there but not enough to say he'll ever see a printing with a second color.
Karn: Colorless. Period.
Kiora: GU. Could be BUG. I think it's possible to mistake her arrogance and selfishness for impulsiveness but I think that's not a good place to go with her.
Koth: The closest Koth gets to a second color is green but caring about ones people is plenty red when done out of love.
Lilliana: She's as black as they come. Completely self absorbed, Ambitious beyond the understanding of the average person, and a necromancer to boot.
Nissa Revane: BG at the most.
Ral Zarek: Yeah Ral could hit Grixis. He was shown to be pretty selfish and power hungry in The Secretist.
Sarkhan Vol: Has been both GR and RB. Unlike Ajani I don't think it's a problem for him to use all three of his colors.
Sorin: WB. He could see green but the ways in which he is green are pretty much covered in the overlap with white.
Tezzeret: Tezz is very much akin to Jace. Mono U until he was mentally shattered by nearly dieing and then being rebuilt by Bolas where he picked up black. Other than that I really haven't seen reason for him to even be Black.
Tibalt: Tibalt could definitely see RB. In fact I'd say the next time we see him he will be.
Tamiyo: Tamiyo is Blue. In fact I'd say she's more Blue than Jace.
Vraska: BG and unlikely to change.
Venser and Xenagos lost all their color.
Also: The Eldrazi and the Phyrexians can't planeswalk. The Eldrazi are very much stuck on Zendikar. The Phyrexians had a portal from one world to another in the old stories I think and got to Mirrodan by a hint of the glistening oil hitching a ride on Karn.
1: the eldrazy could originaly go to the blind eternities and eat the core of planes there. They could until sorrin ugin and the lavamancer atracted them to zendikar and imprisioned them in physical form and then sealed them alway
2: The old phyrexians got planeswalking tecnology . They hunted Urza though some planes and have influences on others too ( Serra's realm , rath, mercardia,dominaria, teriase) they wanted to invade dominaria take control of it and make it they base cause it is/was the center of the multiverse and soo it would be easy to give phyrexia's blessing to all planes.
Some litle things that i think is apropriate
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Karn has a very unique personality: he is like a collection of minds memories and personalities that includes his own , and that is for me much closer to wath a 5 colored personality is.
Bolas is not a really bad guy in the multiplanar scheme, he is not a force that can and want to **** with every thing, he wants to regain his lost powers and abilities . He can cause war and destruction on some planes but he is conserned with for exemple : phyrexians uniting they forces, the multiverse blowing and every thing geting erased from reality.
Yeah he is a mastermind and greed old dragon and sometimes he kills people but he is a necesary evil too.
Much like sorrin that kills inocent people just cause he likes is conserned about the eldrazi and the extinction of humans in inistrad can be counted as a " good" character nicol can also be...
Side note: I'm happy that this got some discussion going.
Not confirmation...
Just he saying what every one is saying...
Ramaz was presented as a RUG character/walker
Ajani that has already been a WR and WG character/walker and that is well trained on spell casting soul magics(
- Soul's Grace
- Soul's Fire
- Soul's Might
) and WRG magics in general (Titanic Ultimatum) can eventually become a WRG walker card.Almost the same on Sarkhan being RGB, after being RG and RB...
When he says that Chandra or Gideon will be tri colored walkers then we can say Holy ****
I never said Sorin Was "good" because he has a card with W in its mana cost... This is your words not mine...
Organization and Self-concern are major feats on Sorin...
Sorin is well traveled and well heeled. Having seen hundreds of planes over thousands of years, he has become a sort of bon vivant, seeking novelty and new diversions. But despite his fundamentally hedonistic nature, Sorin does feel the pull of more lasting concerns, and over his long life this tendency has resulted in an arcane schedule of engagements and forays to far-flung planes. As a result Sorin is a busy man, planeswalking frequently to pursue concerns known only to him. Sorin always seems to have business elsewhere.
One such commitment involves the plane of Zendikar. Long ago Sorin cooperated with two other planeswalkers to complete a ritual that would alter Zendikar forever. The three agreed that if the results of their ritual were ever to be disturbed, all three would return to Zendikar. And although Sorin has held up his end of the agreement, he now finds himself alone on the plane with no sign of his former cohorts. For now he must keep the nature of their work to himself, lest he endanger himself and the plane even more.
Sorin is "good" cause his actions on the story soo far ( The Eldrazi, Inistrad) was kind to "save" people or worlds ( " or prevent the destruction of others") even when he is not doing that he is a **** that kill people and don't give a *** to them.
It wouldn't take much doing to make Tezzeret follow W a bit more to be full Esper colors,
which really makes me wonder about Elspeth.
She's been nothing but mono-W so far,
but it would be a real shame for every Alara PW but her to get a version that fully represents their Shard.
I'd also be very interested to see a 3-color, 3CMC PW.
They could really push the power of a three mana 'walker there.
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Tezzeret? I think he WILL be white sometime in the future but what would push him that way? Hatred for Bolas? A threat to Esper/Alara? We are entering the - I think - 4th year of the 6/7 year plan mentioned by MaRo. I'm hoping to return to either New Phyrexia (to see some closure to Koth, Karn and Tezzeret's story) or Zendikar (because I'm a huge Eldrazi fanboy) before the end of the Lock block in 2017. My money is on Zendikar but either way, Bolas will be lurking in the background.
So Bolas isn't a bad guy because he doesn't want to die when the whole multiverse is destroyed or the phyrexians are going to spread to the four corners and threaten him? Bull crap...I think he's done plenty to deserve to be called a "badguy". I mean call an apple an apple, thats like saying Hitler wasn't a bad guy just because he was just a troubled old artist and sometimes he kills people but he is a necessary evil too. lol. And BTW Sorin is far from a good guy, but he had done much more towards being good that Bolas ever will.
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Let's take Gideon, and trying to put him in WR. We just saw him show up in Ravnica, and work with the Boros Legion. BUT, he was only in it for a strictly White mindset of increasing order and protecting the weak, he defied and denied the Red bloodlust and aggression that fills the Legion. He disagreed with Aurelia, and wanted no part in being her right hand when offered. That means moving him into WR would take more than a little bit of story wiggling to get there.
Domri has a similar problem, his basis is being a Gruul kid, to make him spread into a third color removes that aspect of his identity. He's not of a three color based plane, so adding any of WUB to him denies his home.
They would have to do things like Garruk to really increase the colors of other characters who are so firmly representative of their colors to make them more than what they are. As opposed to say Sorin or Ajani, who are already more open to the secondary colors.
I m not saying Bolas is a "good" guy either what i mean is that:
When he eventualy gets what he wants(recover part of his powers pre medding) he will probably sit down on some plane and make it his home ( like he did before) soo after he gets what he wants he will not be a threat to the multiverse ( what he today barely is) soo puting hin on the same level as phyrexians and eldrazies is kind of dumb...
Also besides Tezzeret and maybe Ajani(cause of his brother)(I don't think this is the case anymore) what walker wants to kill bolas(defeat)?
If there is like 2 other walkers that realy wants to see bolas on the grownd then he can be considered a "antagonist"(he is mostly of the times, yes( in 1 block he was the ANTAGONIST and in another just schemed)).
Right now there is no plot to make Nicol a antagonist again, unless he appears in a block again as the "villain" but outside that he is not a big evil to be taken down...
Or are you one of the "Bolas is the main vilain of magic" guys that since Alara, Zendikar(barely),SOM(New Phyrexia)(very barely) asks if bolas is the vilain of the block . ( like in RTR people speculating on bolas having something to do with the block)(or with ashiok being a agent of bolas in Theros)(Or bolas having something to do with inistrad)( or with bolas having soething to do with the next block that wasn't even oficialy announced...)
Associated with Black originally, not colorless. Yes, there were Phyrexian artifacts, but Black was their thing.
His Planeswalking technology never GOT to New Phyrexia. He was kidnapped by Koth before he was even done with the stuff.
5 Planewalkers a block. That's it. If you want a gigantic multi-planar war, with many tri-color protagonists, it would involve multiple multi-color sets. Not a thing Wizards wants to do. Also they're generally of the opinion that the sets should have a self-contained story, if possible, with some loose ends they can use later if need be.
What connections with Kamigawa? Also, there doesn't seem to be any White about him. What makes you think otherwise?
Chandra's so red it hurts. Her stories exhibit little in the way of Black, and while she has had connections with White Planeswalkers, she's also enjoyed some serious crap at the hands of White Mages. She pretty much hates everything about white. It's unlikely she'll get into that. She's the Jaya Ballard of the new-walkers. She ain't adding colors anytime soon.
This part is obviously speculation, but I'm pretty sure the most popular white Planeswalker will get out of Theros. Jace certainly wasn't stopped by what happened in Ravnica. Additionally, while I can dream of Bant Elspeth, I don't think it fits her. She's not really Blue or Green, and nothing that's happened so far would suggest spreading into those colors, even beating Xenagos. If anything, that'd make her Whiter.
Garruk is crazy green. He's also crazy, but that's just the Veil-Curse, which is why he's black. The only order he likes is the natural one, and he openly despises necromancers, which is not all of black, but certainly a significant part of it.
Gideon is also pretty white, though if the back-story is to be believed, he was once even more white than he is now. Given the events of his creation, and his stint on Ravnica, I could see him dipping into Red, but Black is so far out of his league it's playing another sport.
Jace could dip into White. There's some potential for it given the events on Ravnica, and some of his allies there. He's also done some things that could be considered Black, such as the stuff with the Infinite Consortium. But given that this is Jace "Poster Child of Magic" we're talking about, it's super unlikely WotC will let him be changed that much.
Safe to assume you meant URG, but that one's iffy. From what we've been told, she's a pretty mean Planeswalker, and impulsivity is not a trait limited to Red. To put it in perspective, the other Planeswalker we've been told in simple terms is horrible is Lilliana, Queen of the Monoblack.
Nissa's been sort of confirmed for BG, but Red or White seem off. She does not seem like a Jund sort of Planeswalker, and White, while befitting a potential "Let's save the Zendikar/The Multiverse from the Eldrazi" COULD be a possibility, it's worth noting that her "interaction with Sorin" at this stage was when he was all Black.
I care. It's not important, but felt like saying it. He's a cool character. I could give two craps about the card.
Tezzy seems stuck in a sort of limbo. Black only suited him following his reconstruction. His whole schtick is proving himself to the universe, and his whole back-story could be described as navy: mostly Blue, with some Black thrown in to make it dark. His only interest in others is using them as tools, which is not a White mentality.
Don't think there's really enough information to say for certain, but she seems pretty solid Blue. She has no interest in helping others, or doing anything for power. She just wants to learn.
It should be noted that in Ajani's case, he bled OUT of Red, as Vengeant is his youngest incarnation. I agree that he could become Naya, but he's not a good example in this case. It should also be noted that in the case of...well, all the 'walkers, we have equal or more of one version. Ajani has more mono-white versions than RW, or GW, Garruk's currently got more G than BG, and Tezzy and Sorin are equal for the most part.
I think it's pretty safe to say he's an ex-walker
Kiora was put in Theros block due to WotC's understanding that people wanted a GU 'walker, and this set fit perfectly. Story-wise, she's not that important. Ral Zarek was in a similar case, but had a more definitive zone of entry what with the RTR business. And Dack? Well, Dack is his own story. He's only pushed because he's in a product that's only Legacy/Vintage Legal, and WotC really wants him to not be fodder.
So far, Ajani's managed to chase Nicolbee out of Alara using his own magic against him, Jace has proven smart enough to at least get around Rolly Boly, and Shiv managed to completely best Nickel Bro-las at one point (sort of, on a very specific plane, that may or may not be canon anyway.) Also, increased power does not mean increased access to colors or vice-versa. For comparison, any of Garruk's mono-Green versions versus Garruk, The Veil-Cursed.
Not really, on two counts. "If the Mana Base is there" would imply crazy high amounts of multi-colored, which as previously mentioned, they try to limit. Secondly, mechanics have very little to do with Planeswalkers. They are controlled largely by the Creative team. If Design so much as thinks about a Planeswalker even looking weird at another source of mana, they have to have a long and serious discussion with Creative about the Planeswalkers Guide to the Multiverse, and why the fans will have a fit if a Planeswalker ends up as off-putting and weird as Liliana of the Dark Realms in comparison to the other forms.
I'll take "Magic the Gathering to end and tie off all the plot-lines at once" for 2000 Alex.
He's a bad dragon. Seriously though, he is, by most definitions of story-telling, a bad guy. Our antagonist. He is concerned only with himself, making sure he's the strongest being in the Multi-verse, and getting back to ruling over a large section of it with an iron claw, like a Dictator. His plans so far have consisted of "Destroy a Plane to get my power back, Trick a bunch of idiots into opening the seal on the most powerful Mana-Eaters ever conceived by the Planeswalking Version of H. P. Lovecraft, and send his personal artificer Starscream to a plane made of artifacts, knowing full well he'd attempt to take it over."
You did not use them in regards to the big three, directly referring to them as Bad Guys following antagonist. You referred to the Phyrexians as the "Original Big Bad." It's understandable what you mean by good guys and bad guys however. We're not dealing with Kamigawa level switch-ups here.
This post from Doug Beyer?
They already make and have made these choices. Ajani left Alara for multiple reasons, Jace has come to Ravnica and back multiple times, and Gideon did that between Zendikar and Gatecrash.
If Heliod can't do anything to Elspeth, I don't think that Erebos will fare much better. And as previously stated, not likely to kill the most popular White Walker.
If anyone's bent out of shape it's because, and I'm saying this because I appreciate the conversation, the certainty you claim to have and the defensiveness of your responses are obnoxious, just as I'm sure my wall of opinions is.
I think you mean Red, but it happens.
The Eldrazi very much were stuck on Zendikar. They're free to go now, but they want to finish their meal first. Leaving a half-empty plane would just be rude.
IDW can tell you what Ashiok's doing right now. I don't think a return to Theros is all that likely.
MaRo confirmed one Return to...block in an episode of his podcast, I believe. Mentioned in the seven year plan. I believe it's supposed to be the last block of that plan. New Phyrexia is unlikely, as that was only three (four for the block) years ago. The first Return had a gap of seven.
And thus ends my giant list of things.
If Sarkhan is in this block and dragons are in this block then I would put money on Bolas being in this block. It's called speculation and it's fun.
And seriously, if all Bolas wanted to do was read a book, he's a planeswalking 800-lb gorilla and could do it anywhere he wanted.
And it's possible that he's a threat to the Multiverse. We don't know what he wants to do after he gets his full power back, but given his last stint as God-King initiated some of the Time Rifts, it's likely not going to be pleasant for the Multiverse.
And after all the hard work he's put in, he'll probably want a larger territory than last time.
But we don't know. That's what makes him interesting. The Phyrexians want to compleat everything. The Eldrazi want to eat. Bolas is a mystery, and even if he's not against the protagonists, they're generally against him and what he wants. Sarkhan is horribly conflicted, Tezzeret wants to kill him, Ajani is considered his enemy, Jace doesn't enjoy being toyed around with, and Liliana hates that she ever had to make a deal with him. There's plenty that he wants dead or vice-versa.
He's not the main antagonist though. There really isn't one.
On a different note, the Pandora analogy isn't a great one. Pandora doesn't benefit from the box opening. Bolas does benefit from the power he gets back.