- The M15 zombie spoiler showed new jace art on the bottom. Probably new Jace then. Sorry, but Jace is the mascot of Magic.
- Garruk is definitely new, face of the set. Probably not pure G anymore.
- Nissa action figure. Probably new since her 1.0 is so niche.
- Ajani action figure. Probably the M14 one since he just got a new card. Yes, there's precedent, but that isn't a pattern. Prefer Gideon 1.0...
- Chandra, Pyromaster why not.
- Liliana: probably the M14 one if Jace is new (3 new walkers). 4 new walkers is probably too much. Sad because LotDR is kinda meh. LotV would be unexpected, but might help sell the new-frame set and ties to Garruk story-wise.
It is possible that there will be an Ajani, Caller of the Pride reprint, which would make it possible to get a good Liliana. LotV has no chance of seeing a reprint in this Standard. Can you imagine her in Monoblack Devotion?
Right. The Legacy Weapon pieces (of which Karn was one, if I'm not mistaken) were assembled using the 5 colors of mana (again, if I'm not mistaken) and Phyrexia is also now 5 colors where it wouldn't make sense under the previous artifact paradigm. Wizards has had colored artifacts as a part of every block for a while now - the most recent being Godsend. I fully support Karn Wuberg, Attorney at Retribution.
We didn't have colored artifacts in Innistrad or Return to Ravnica.
Well Wizards never promise not to break standard. They've broke it many times already, so what's one more? So for the sake of modern, just print Liliana of the Veil. lololol
Well Wizards never promise not to break standard. They've broke it many times already, so what's one more? So for the sake of modern, just print Liliana of the Veil. lololol
Lets be fair here. Liliana of the Veil didnt break Standard the last time she was there. In fact she was not even a automatic maindeck 4-of card(looking at Reid Dukes lists from last year).
While I do think it's unlikely they will reprint her it's certainly not impossible. I mean they do stuff like that since it will be only a few months till rotation when M15 arrives anyway and all the Tier 1 decks will lose many of their defining cards.
I can see Liliana of the Veil being a good flavor mix with a cursed Garruk (probably a new one as flip cards were an issue), as well as being wizards' way of 'replacing' Lifebane Zombie in mono-black. Don't like the idea of her and Thoughtseize in the same standard though.
Im sorry to ask, but can anyone provide an image if they have one OR can someone point me in the direction where i can find this new jace art that has been mentioned more than once?
Im sorry to ask, but can anyone provide an image if they have one OR can someone point me in the direction where i can find this new jace art that has been mentioned more than once?
Or was this seen just at PAX?
I think it's this pic from the new Duels of the Planeswalkers
If they do reprint Liliana of the Veil, I'll be sad that it won't get new art, being a reprint. I really hate Argyle. Komarck did a great piece of art for the cover of that book that never got released (curse of the chain veil), it'd be cool if they reused it for this card.
Planeswalker cards drive sales in sets, and people like brand new Planeswalkers. Jace is almost certainly going to be a new version, especially since the Uncharted Realms article having to do with the Jace vs. Vraska Duel Decks had Jace being concerned about what was happening with Garruk. Someone said somewhere (either MaRo or Doug Beyer) that core sets didn't originally have much of a tie-in with the story, but that's changing come M15.
Memory Adept has been around since M12 (that's three core sets he's been around in). Jace is definitely due for an update.
Liliana of the Dark Realms has only been around since M13, but the card is not popular at all. Considering the following that Liliana has among the player base, they'll probably do a different version of her for M15, especially in light of her role in the Garruk storyline. Whether it will be Liliana of the Veil is uncertain, but I would imagine that Wizards would want to save her for Modern Masters 2 and just opt for a brand new version for M15.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride was only introduced in M13, and he continues to be a reasonably popular card, and with his new card in Journey Into Nyx, I can't see them making a new card for him in M15.
Chandra, Pyromaster has been a hit (at least as far as Chandras go), so she's not going anywhere in M15.
Garruk will likely be GB, since Wizards won't want to have two of the same monocolored 'Walkers in the same set (a core set, no less), and I couldn't imagine them making the decision to outright replace Liliana or Sorin for Garruk in a core set. He'll have the same sixth 'Walker slot that Nicol Bolas did in M13.
Nissa will very likely be the monogreen walker in M15, if the toyline and MaRo's comments are of any indication. She'll probably be much more "creatures in general" based rather than being so focused on elves.
Planeswalker cards drive sales in sets, and people like brand new Planeswalkers. Jace is almost certainly going to be a new version, especially since the Uncharted Realms article having to do with the Jace vs. Vraska Duel Decks had Jace being concerned about what was happening with Garruk. Someone said somewhere (either MaRo or Doug Beyer) that core sets didn't originally have much of a tie-in with the story, but that's changing come M15.
Memory Adept has been around since M12 (that's three core sets he's been around in). Jace is definitely due for an update.
Liliana of the Dark Realms has only been around since M13, but the card is not popular at all. Considering the following that Liliana has among the player base, they'll probably do a different version of her for M15, especially in light of her role in the Garruk storyline. Whether it will be Liliana of the Veil is uncertain, but I would imagine that Wizards would want to save her for Modern Masters 2 and just opt for a brand new version for M15.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride was only introduced in M13, and he continues to be a reasonably popular card, and with his new card in Journey Into Nyx, I can't see them making a new card for him in M15.
Chandra, Pyromaster has been a hit (at least as far as Chandras go), so she's not going anywhere in M15.
Garruk will likely be GB, since Wizards won't want to have two of the same monocolored 'Walkers in the same set (a core set, no less), and I couldn't imagine them making the decision to outright replace Liliana or Sorin for Garruk in a core set. He'll have the same sixth 'Walker slot that Nicol Bolas did in M13.
Nissa will very likely be the monogreen walker in M15, if the toyline and MaRo's comments are of any indication. She'll probably be much more "creatures in general" based rather than being so focused on elves.
I cant exactly find the picture anymore but someone here in the rumor mill had a pic from a flyer at Pax where the names of different planeswalkers were mentioned and Gideon was among them.
So it could be that he will be the white walker since both Ajani and Elspeth are already in Theros.
And Gideon, Champion of Justice is probably one of the poorest planeswalkers in recent times. A far cry from the awesomeness that was Gideon Jura
Ahhhh Thanks Galerion i personally like that art even if i do prefer him with his hood down.
In my mind the planeswalker list will most likely go like this (I HOPE):
W - Gideon (New Version)
G - Nissa (New Version)
B - Liliana (New Version) (Most anticipated for me, i hope shes alot better then LOTDR)
R - Chandra, Pyromaster
U - Jace (New Version) (Different Spin on Him, like how they did JAOT)
G/B - Garruk Cover Boy
All in all im excited for M15 looks rly interesting and has an actual story. Also ive taken a liking to the new Card Frame
I cant exactly find the picture anymore but someone here in the rumor mill had a pic from a flyer at Pax where the names of different planeswalkers were mentioned and Gideon was among them.
So it could be that he will be the white walker since both Ajani and Elspeth are already in Theros.
And Gideon, Champion of Justice is probably one of the poorest planeswalkers in recent times. A far cry from the awesomeness that was Gideon Jura
As long as it's not as crappy as CoJ, it would be cool to see Gideon back in the core set. While it probably won't be Gideon Jura, hopefully they'll make a playable card that's suited for control decks (like Gideon Jura was).
Just because Jace has some new art in the upcoming DotP game doesn't mean that he's getting a new card. Chandra got new art for D14 too, and while she did get a new card for M14, the art used in the game wasn't the one used in the card (although I wish it were).
That's very true and i agree the chance of getting that art on a card is probs never gonna happen but a man can dream aye hahaha
honestly they've been going with art that is more or less, shabby for the Core sets in regards to planeswalkers :/
Dont get me wrong i like Chandra, Pyromaster but they had so many more options and im mainly aiming this at the likes of JACE MA and LIL OTDR, the art on the both of them are atrocious, If only Jason Chan could do the art on most planeswalkers. I dunno i just rly want that art on a card compared to another anime jace/liliana
Ahhhh Thanks Galerion i personally like that art even if i do prefer him with his hood down.
In my mind the planeswalker list will most likely go like this (I HOPE):
W - Gideon (New Version)
G - Nissa (New Version)
B - Liliana (New Version) (Most anticipated for me, i hope shes alot better then LOTDR)
R - Chandra, Pyromaster
U - Jace (New Version) (Different Spin on Him, like how they did JAOT)
G/B - Garruk Cover Boy
All in all im excited for M15 looks rly interesting and has an actual story. Also ive taken a liking to the new Card Frame
They're not going to reprint Chandra and give every other 'walker a new card. Here are my predictions:
W: Gideon (hopefully a new one, but also could be Champion of Justice)
U: New Jace (lots of people are sick of JMA, and none of the other Jaces are reprintable for various reasons)
B: LotV (the 3 slot is crowded in Mono-B, so it's OK)
R: M14 Chandra
G: Nissa (either a new one or a reprint of the old one)
And a new BG Garruk
Chandra is defs getting reprinted, Gideon a maybe (would want a new one though more like his first print), Liliana of the veil is a long shot but it is possible, now that i think about it her in the set with garruk would be very pleasing for flavor reasons (slap some new art on and hey there ya go), Jace HAS TO GET A NEW PRINT NO MORE MEMORY ANIME/ADEPT PLSSSS WIZARDSSS PLSSSSSSS!!! and Nissa will most likely be new.
This Core set is hopefully gonna bring about a new horizon in regards to how Blocks and sets are structured so that both story and gameplay are equally appreciated like how they have done theros (gameplay somewhat depends on how you look at it), in addition to that im loving these new events such as Heroes path
Maro just stated that LotDR was considered a mistake since she doesn't convey liliana's power set at all. So she'll probably be new or Veil. Though Veil isn't a necromancer at all either. So maybe we'll finally get all the [name], [title] walkers:
I'm just going to put this out there...
Garruk's gonna be mono black.
Reasons:
1. Kinda flimsy to start the argument, but Garruk looks completely taken over by his curse. The tagline insists that he's out to kill everything in this form.
2. WotC doesn't like to print gold cards in core sets. Yeah, there's bolas, but he's the main villain. special circumstances and all that.
3. He's not gonna be mono green, because if the rumors are true, nissa's gonna be a thing this time around, which should make for a decent change-up. also, mono green garruk doesn't make sense for a cursed form.
4. Anybody give any thought to the possibility that Garruk may take the black PW slot this time around? There's been very little talk of Liliana as a character since Avacyn. and tbh, if we're going by the trend the cores have been following lately... (Bolas, Chandra, Garruk) It's a sound bet that they'll continue doing cores with a single planeswalker being that flavor of the core for lack of a better phrase. And next year or the year following, we could be looking at liliana being said pw. But this year, I think she's gonna be MIA.
That being said, I think it'd be cool if he wound up being something like this
Crazy Garruk
3BB
+1 Doom Blade
0 Deal damage to target opponent or planeswalker equal to the number loyalty counters on Crazy Garruk
-10 Destroy all creatures target opponent controls
L:3
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Right. The Legacy Weapon pieces (of which Karn was one, if I'm not mistaken) were assembled using the 5 colors of mana (again, if I'm not mistaken) and Phyrexia is also now 5 colors where it wouldn't make sense under the previous artifact paradigm. Wizards has had colored artifacts as a part of every block for a while now - the most recent being Godsend. I fully support Karn Wuberg, Attorney at Retribution.
There is of course the problem that making him WUBRG would make him unplayable in anything besides casual kitchen table magic/Commander.
See Chromanticore
I would find it sad to see a good planeswalker like him being sacrificed like that.
And yes, yes I know there is more to magic that tournament-level cards but still
if he was 5 colors and realy good it would be played in formarts( for standard it would see play only if there is a good way to fix mana and again if its good)
Chromaticore is traash right now cause
it is not a Legendary enchantment creature - manticore ( commander players)
It has low starts even if it has alot of keywords( easier to kill it on block at least.)
Even if you play it you don't get anything (besides some clap of hands from people viewing the game) and soo its not worth paying WUBRG if you can easily pay 2WUBRG its better but then again the block has alot of hate. ( if it had hexproof or haste more people would try it...)
Ok, usual "I'm new to Magic, so I may be wrong" caveat, but your idea for Crazy Garruk seems... incredibly overpowered. His +1 is DOOM BLADE? Even at 5 CMC... man... I dunno.
His 0 is pretty nasty too, but seems, well, too much like his +1. I get why and how it's different, the effects are just awfully similar.
I think it's more likely that Garruk is Mono Black than they reprint Liliana of the Veil. (though it has an outside chance, though I'd personally welcome it)
Regardless of anything else going on in a core set Mono black would then have access to (for at least three months)
Duress
Thoughtseize
Lifebane Zombie
Liliana of the Veil
Waste not Want not
and a whole host of other discard shenanigans. Some of which would be in standard for the whole year.
For Jace I'd expect Architect of Thought (or Beleren if not), I think his next fresh incarnation will be illusion focused rather than card draw or mill. This would also fit better on the Silver screen, which is going to be a thing at some point, and fit with MaRo's comments regarding Jace over the past few months and was definitely played upon during the confrontation with Vraska.)
Ajani Caller of the Pride is fine, though I can See Goldmane appearing if Huey is going to go wide with creatures which is the impression I am getting.
Nissa is a shoe in in either the Core Set or Huey, the Funko figure has telegraphed it too strongly for it to be otherwise (probably Core) and definitely not going to be so narrow on Elves.
Chandra is good, people like Pyromancer and she is in the design space for Red that Wizards are trying right now.
my two cents anyway, though I am excited to see what changes between now, through the Core Set and into September
I'm just going to put this out there...
Garruk's gonna be mono black.
Reasons:
1. Kinda flimsy to start the argument, but Garruk looks completely taken over by his curse. The tagline insists that he's out to kill everything in this form.
2. WotC doesn't like to print gold cards in core sets. Yeah, there's bolas, but he's the main villain. special circumstances and all that.
3. He's not gonna be mono green, because if the rumors are true, nissa's gonna be a thing this time around, which should make for a decent change-up. also, mono green garruk doesn't make sense for a cursed form.
4. Anybody give any thought to the possibility that Garruk may take the black PW slot this time around? There's been very little talk of Liliana as a character since Avacyn. and tbh, if we're going by the trend the cores have been following lately... (Bolas, Chandra, Garruk) It's a sound bet that they'll continue doing cores with a single planeswalker being that flavor of the core for lack of a better phrase. And next year or the year following, we could be looking at liliana being said pw. But this year, I think she's gonna be MIA.
That being said, I think it'd be cool if he wound up being something like this
Crazy Garruk
3BB
+1 Doom Blade
0 Deal damage to target opponent or planeswalker equal to the number loyalty counters on Crazy Garruk
-10 Destroy all creatures target opponent controls
L:3
I'd play a planeswalker with Doom Blade for a +1. However, i am still thinking that he will be BG.
It is possible that there will be an Ajani, Caller of the Pride reprint, which would make it possible to get a good Liliana. LotV has no chance of seeing a reprint in this Standard. Can you imagine her in Monoblack Devotion?
We didn't have colored artifacts in Innistrad or Return to Ravnica.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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Lets be fair here. Liliana of the Veil didnt break Standard the last time she was there. In fact she was not even a automatic maindeck 4-of card(looking at Reid Dukes lists from last year).
While I do think it's unlikely they will reprint her it's certainly not impossible. I mean they do stuff like that since it will be only a few months till rotation when M15 arrives anyway and all the Tier 1 decks will lose many of their defining cards.
I just hope they dont reprint Jace, Memory Adept or Liliana of the Dark Realms
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Or was this seen just at PAX?
I think it's this pic from the new Duels of the Planeswalkers
W: Elspeth Tirel
U: Jace Beleren
B: Liliana Vess
R: Chandra, Pyromaster
G: Garruk something something
Not sure on Garruk bc of his curse shenanigans
GWB Junk Stax Ghave BWG
Memory Adept has been around since M12 (that's three core sets he's been around in). Jace is definitely due for an update.
Liliana of the Dark Realms has only been around since M13, but the card is not popular at all. Considering the following that Liliana has among the player base, they'll probably do a different version of her for M15, especially in light of her role in the Garruk storyline. Whether it will be Liliana of the Veil is uncertain, but I would imagine that Wizards would want to save her for Modern Masters 2 and just opt for a brand new version for M15.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride was only introduced in M13, and he continues to be a reasonably popular card, and with his new card in Journey Into Nyx, I can't see them making a new card for him in M15.
Chandra, Pyromaster has been a hit (at least as far as Chandras go), so she's not going anywhere in M15.
Garruk will likely be GB, since Wizards won't want to have two of the same monocolored 'Walkers in the same set (a core set, no less), and I couldn't imagine them making the decision to outright replace Liliana or Sorin for Garruk in a core set. He'll have the same sixth 'Walker slot that Nicol Bolas did in M13.
Nissa will very likely be the monogreen walker in M15, if the toyline and MaRo's comments are of any indication. She'll probably be much more "creatures in general" based rather than being so focused on elves.
I cant exactly find the picture anymore but someone here in the rumor mill had a pic from a flyer at Pax where the names of different planeswalkers were mentioned and Gideon was among them.
So it could be that he will be the white walker since both Ajani and Elspeth are already in Theros.
And Gideon, Champion of Justice is probably one of the poorest planeswalkers in recent times. A far cry from the awesomeness that was Gideon Jura
In my mind the planeswalker list will most likely go like this (I HOPE):
W - Gideon (New Version)
G - Nissa (New Version)
B - Liliana (New Version) (Most anticipated for me, i hope shes alot better then LOTDR)
R - Chandra, Pyromaster
U - Jace (New Version) (Different Spin on Him, like how they did JAOT)
G/B - Garruk Cover Boy
All in all im excited for M15 looks rly interesting and has an actual story. Also ive taken a liking to the new Card Frame
As long as it's not as crappy as CoJ, it would be cool to see Gideon back in the core set. While it probably won't be Gideon Jura, hopefully they'll make a playable card that's suited for control decks (like Gideon Jura was).
honestly they've been going with art that is more or less, shabby for the Core sets in regards to planeswalkers :/
Dont get me wrong i like Chandra, Pyromaster but they had so many more options and im mainly aiming this at the likes of JACE MA and LIL OTDR, the art on the both of them are atrocious, If only Jason Chan could do the art on most planeswalkers. I dunno i just rly want that art on a card compared to another anime jace/liliana
They're not going to reprint Chandra and give every other 'walker a new card. Here are my predictions:
W: Gideon (hopefully a new one, but also could be Champion of Justice)
U: New Jace (lots of people are sick of JMA, and none of the other Jaces are reprintable for various reasons)
B: LotV (the 3 slot is crowded in Mono-B, so it's OK)
R: M14 Chandra
G: Nissa (either a new one or a reprint of the old one)
And a new BG Garruk
Chandra is defs getting reprinted, Gideon a maybe (would want a new one though more like his first print), Liliana of the veil is a long shot but it is possible, now that i think about it her in the set with garruk would be very pleasing for flavor reasons (slap some new art on and hey there ya go), Jace HAS TO GET A NEW PRINT NO MORE MEMORY ANIME/ADEPT PLSSSS WIZARDSSS PLSSSSSSS!!! and Nissa will most likely be new.
This Core set is hopefully gonna bring about a new horizon in regards to how Blocks and sets are structured so that both story and gameplay are equally appreciated like how they have done theros (gameplay somewhat depends on how you look at it), in addition to that im loving these new events such as Heroes path
"Gideon, Militant"
"Jace, Illusionist"
"Liliana, Necromancer"
"Chandra, Pyromaster"
"Nissa, Explorer"
"Garruk, Corrupted"
You know it'll happen.
Garruk's gonna be mono black.
Reasons:
1. Kinda flimsy to start the argument, but Garruk looks completely taken over by his curse. The tagline insists that he's out to kill everything in this form.
2. WotC doesn't like to print gold cards in core sets. Yeah, there's bolas, but he's the main villain. special circumstances and all that.
3. He's not gonna be mono green, because if the rumors are true, nissa's gonna be a thing this time around, which should make for a decent change-up. also, mono green garruk doesn't make sense for a cursed form.
4. Anybody give any thought to the possibility that Garruk may take the black PW slot this time around? There's been very little talk of Liliana as a character since Avacyn. and tbh, if we're going by the trend the cores have been following lately... (Bolas, Chandra, Garruk) It's a sound bet that they'll continue doing cores with a single planeswalker being that flavor of the core for lack of a better phrase. And next year or the year following, we could be looking at liliana being said pw. But this year, I think she's gonna be MIA.
That being said, I think it'd be cool if he wound up being something like this
Crazy Garruk
3BB
+1 Doom Blade
0 Deal damage to target opponent or planeswalker equal to the number loyalty counters on Crazy Garruk
-10 Destroy all creatures target opponent controls
L:3
GGo Elf YourselfG
WThat Cat Has A Knife!W
BUGWhip your assBUG
if he was 5 colors and realy good it would be played in formarts( for standard it would see play only if there is a good way to fix mana and again if its good)
Chromaticore is traash right now cause
His 0 is pretty nasty too, but seems, well, too much like his +1. I get why and how it's different, the effects are just awfully similar.
Regardless of anything else going on in a core set Mono black would then have access to (for at least three months)
Duress
Thoughtseize
Lifebane Zombie
Liliana of the Veil
Waste not Want not
and a whole host of other discard shenanigans. Some of which would be in standard for the whole year.
For Jace I'd expect Architect of Thought (or Beleren if not), I think his next fresh incarnation will be illusion focused rather than card draw or mill. This would also fit better on the Silver screen, which is going to be a thing at some point, and fit with MaRo's comments regarding Jace over the past few months and was definitely played upon during the confrontation with Vraska.)
Ajani Caller of the Pride is fine, though I can See Goldmane appearing if Huey is going to go wide with creatures which is the impression I am getting.
Nissa is a shoe in in either the Core Set or Huey, the Funko figure has telegraphed it too strongly for it to be otherwise (probably Core) and definitely not going to be so narrow on Elves.
Chandra is good, people like Pyromancer and she is in the design space for Red that Wizards are trying right now.
my two cents anyway, though I am excited to see what changes between now, through the Core Set and into September
GGo Elf YourselfG
WThat Cat Has A Knife!W
BUGWhip your assBUG
I'd play a planeswalker with Doom Blade for a +1. However, i am still thinking that he will be BG.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.