Someone told me that there was once a quote from wotc that the ONS fetchlands would not be reprinted. I do not know if this is true. But on the other side, yes I would like to see them back.
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Think about it, WOTC is pushing modern, it would be logical to reprint the onslaught fetchlands to complete the fetches in modern.
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I doubt it will happen while the shocklands are legal in Extended. So, four years from now I expect Landfall to come back in a Core Set with the Ons fetches to support it.
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Interesting thoughts... just thinking it might be soon because of the way they are pushing modern, with it being an FNM format and then Modern Masters in June next year.
Think about it, WOTC is pushing modern, it would be logical to reprint the onslaught fetchlands to complete the fetches in modern.
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Yeah, I expect this to happen too. I would not be surprised to see them in the next block either, to the extent that I sold off my ONS fetches last week, except for a singleton Flooded Strand.
I doubt it will happen while the shocklands are legal in Extended. So, four years from now I expect Landfall to come back in a Core Set with the Ons fetches to support it.
Because Extended is crying right now about Shocklands + Enemy Fetches?
If they are pushing Modern why would they care about Onslaught fetches? They should reprint the Zendikar fetches if they want to push Modern to lower those prices. The prices of Onslaught fetches are irrelevant to pushing Modern. And because they don't care about Legacy it is much more likely we will see reprints of Zendikar fetches before we see reprints of Onslaught fetches.
That said it's never really been a particularly popular format, especially post-Modern, so I doubt it really has much influence on future reprints and suchlike.
It's not really a format. It's still there, but they don't care about it at all. They forgot to ban Jace and Stoneforge for a while, then randomly banned them when they remembered it was still a format that they technically have on MODO.
If they are pushing Modern why would they care about Onslaught fetches? They should reprint the Zendikar fetches if they want to push Modern to lower those prices. The prices of Onslaught fetches are irrelevant to pushing Modern. And because they don't care about Legacy it is much more likely we will see reprints of Zendikar fetches before we see reprints of Onslaught fetches.
Printing the Onslaught Fetches in a Modern-legal set would be good for Modern because it would give Modern access to all ten fetches, instead of just the enemy five. The Onslaught Fetches would probably all drop in price to the $10-15 range that both sets of fetches went for when they were in standard, which would make fetches as a whole more accessible to Modern players.
I would very much expect NOT to see them next block though, as Fetches + Shocks in Standard is way too good mana for the format, and also probably pushes aggro too far with the Fetch Shock I'm Conley Woods business.
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Printing the Onslaught Fetches in a Modern-legal set would be good for Modern because it would give Modern access to all ten fetches, instead of just the enemy five. The Onslaught Fetches would probably all drop in price to the $10-15 range that both sets of fetches went for when they were in standard, which would make fetches as a whole more accessible to Modern players.
I would very much expect NOT to see them next block though, as Fetches + Shocks in Standard is way too good mana for the format, and also probably pushes aggro too far with the Fetch Shock I'm Conley Woods business.
But that doesn't help Modern at all. The mana bases are already perfect. If the purpose is to push Modern you want to decrease the entry barrier (hence the Modern Masters product). To do that you reprint currently high priced cards, not add more high priced cards that don't actually add anything that's not already there, which Onslaught fetches do.
The reason people want Onslaught fetches reprinted is so they can get them cheaper for EDH and Legacy. They just like to use Modern as an excuse, but when you actually look at it logically, Modern doesn't make sense to use as a reason to reprint Onslaught fetches. If they are reprinted, it will be in a Commander product.
Yea, Fetches + Shocks is absurd for a standard format. Basically, deckbuilding becomes a matter of playing all the best cards you can afford in the same deck. Unless they're willing to reprint a nonbasic hoser on the level of Wasteland, you're not gonna see it until after rotation at the very least.
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I'm pretty sure I remember somebody from R&D saying that fetches + shocklands are probably too good for Standard. Yeah, maybe M15/16, or Huey?
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But that doesn't help Modern at all. The mana bases are already perfect. If the purpose is to push Modern you want to decrease the entry barrier (hence the Modern Masters product). To do that you reprint currently high priced cards, not add more high priced cards that don't actually add anything that's not already there, which Onslaught fetches do.
The reason people want Onslaught fetches reprinted is so they can get them cheaper for EDH and Legacy. They just like to use Modern as an excuse, but when you actually look at it logically, Modern doesn't make sense to use as a reason to reprint Onslaught fetches. If they are reprinted, it will be in a Commander product.
I don't know about "perfect". Look at Jund: they can only run one Fetch that hits all three of their possible Shocks, forcing them to run fetches that only hit 2 of the three.
Also, as I stated, in every Standard with Fetches in packs, the Fetches have commanded around $10 for the duration. There's no reason to suspect that this time would be any different. So it would make fetchlands available to those who wanted them. Don't want to pay $30 for a Misty Rainforest? Go get a $12 Polluted Delta.
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I don't know about "perfect". Look at Jund: they can only run one Fetch that hits all three of their possible Shocks, forcing them to run fetches that only hit 2 of the three.
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I don't know about "perfect". Look at Jund: they can only run one Fetch that hits all three of their possible Shocks, forcing them to run fetches that only hit 2 of the three.
Also, as I stated, in every Standard with Fetches in packs, the Fetches have commanded around $10 for the duration. There's no reason to suspect that this time would be any different. So it would make fetchlands available to those who wanted them. Don't want to pay $30 for a Misty Rainforest? Go get a $12 Polluted Delta.
Any fetch in modern can get you any color. As long as you aren't a bad player, it doesn't matter much at all if you can't get blood crypt with misty rainforest as you typically have all 3 colors on turn 2 if you open with just a single fetch. You can still get black and red mana with misty rainforest if you really need to. The manabases in modern are 'too good' if anything with no wasteland in the format to keep manabases in check like there is in legacy. Any fetchland + a filterland means their mana is fixed indefinitely typically. And with no wasteland, once they have their mana fixed it is fixed forever since jund's curve stops at 4 and tectonic edge isn't really a good answer at that point against jund.
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Onslaught fetches aren't going to be in standard at the same time as shocklands. Or any fetches for that matter. Anyone with any amount of common sense can see that.
I think I remember hearing that WotC doesn't necessarily want the full 10 fetchlands in modern, and I tend to agree with that. Fetches bog down games and it is extremely annoying to resolve a fetchland activation. WotC doesn't like tutor cards in general and the fetchlands are in fact tutors.
That said I wouldn't be surprised to see onslaught fetches in a commander product or something. The price of fetches is absurd for onslaught copies outside of the jund colored ones (wooded foothills and bloodstained mire are both barely ran in legacy right now due to RG and BR strategies being pretty bad.)
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Also, as I stated, in every Standard with Fetches in packs, the Fetches have commanded around $10 for the duration. There's no reason to suspect that this time would be any different. So it would make fetchlands available to those who wanted them. Don't want to pay $30 for a Misty Rainforest? Go get a $12 Polluted Delta.
Sure, they were only $10 during their time time in Standard because they only saw play in two formats, and one of those formats required dual lands. Now fetches would see play in 3 formats and only require Shocks. That alone would increase their price. Something like Polluted Delta would easily sell for around $20 at the outset as everyone tried to get their set for both Standard and Modern, and it wouldn't drop much from there. You can compare that to the Shocklands. Shocks are anywhere between $15-$20, but they were printed more recently than Onslaught fetches and in a much higher number based on the growth of the game (Rav was hugely popular). There was already a fair amount in print. Onslaught fetches are already relatively scarce so a lot of people would need them.
All you are doing by adding them to Modern is increasing the cost to get in, and as shown by Bread Connoisseur the benefit is almost nil, at least to good players. The reason you want them is not for Modern, but because you want them for Legacy or EDH, you are just trying to justify it using Modern. Stop trying, it doesn't work. Just wait for them to be reprinted in a Commander product, as they will be someday.
I agree with the OP that Wizards will reprint them soon to push Modern, but not so soon that you'd get a fetch/shock manabase in Standard. That means "Huey-Duey-Luey," or M16.
The biggest problem with not having all 10 fetches available in Modern is that Allied 2-color and Allied 3-color decks can't always fetch the needed basic land, which is relevant for combating Blood Moon, Tectonic Edge, and their ilk. Also, it comes down to cost. Doubling the number of fetches available would substantially decrease the cost of the Modern manabase and have a knock on effect for EDH, Legacy, etc due to lower cost substitutes being available if you're willing to risk not being able to find the right basic every once in a while. Besides, allied manabases are supposed to be easier than enemy mana bases, and Extended is effectively dead so its not worth worrying about at this time.
As an aside, I also think we'll see the fast lands cycle completed sooner or later, just like how Innistrad completed the Core set slow lands cycle.
No. Fetches are a highly sought after card and WOTC would lose a marketing advantage when they would put in the same standard. Saturating the same enviroment with must have cards would have a negative impact on the game - overburn of players because they would "must buy" more boxes, expectations for future sets would be sky high and as already said, its an rare atraction that would be missed in a new set. Now its the time to acquire your playset of all shocks, think about it and be happy.
I wouldn't expect helping aggro to be a consideration in the reprinting of onslaught fetches. It's up to the players and the consensus meta how much aggro is played. If anything, the checks and balances brought in by aggro is what would let them bring fetches + shocks back.
There are quite a few mana greedy legacy lists that don't port to modern simply because the conversion from duals to shocks means you start the game at 14.
While Wizards is resistant to the homogeneous good- stuff decks that are allowed by easy access mana bases I believe that the lands are properly balanced to the degree that the life loss of fetch - shock would allow aggro to balance the standard format.
I think that wizards believes that leaving fetches out of modern masters was a mistake. Dropping the price of shocks means nothing when you have $35 fetches.
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Standard has a much lower power level. It's entirely likely that they deem fetches + shocklands too good for the realm of Standard mana fixing.
I was quoting someone saying that they wouldn't be printed until shocklands rotated out of Extended. I agree that they won't be put in the same Standard environment, but I expect them to be together in Extended, assuming it still exists at that point.
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I don't think we'll see a reprint of onslaught fetches until 2016
I doubt it will happen while the shocklands are legal in Extended. So, four years from now I expect Landfall to come back in a Core Set with the Ons fetches to support it.
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Yeah, I expect this to happen too. I would not be surprised to see them in the next block either, to the extent that I sold off my ONS fetches last week, except for a singleton Flooded Strand.
There's no such format, so that is not a consideration. I think we'll see the allied shocks by 2014 at the latest.
Because Extended is crying right now about Shocklands + Enemy Fetches?
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Printing the Onslaught Fetches in a Modern-legal set would be good for Modern because it would give Modern access to all ten fetches, instead of just the enemy five. The Onslaught Fetches would probably all drop in price to the $10-15 range that both sets of fetches went for when they were in standard, which would make fetches as a whole more accessible to Modern players.
I would very much expect NOT to see them next block though, as Fetches + Shocks in Standard is way too good mana for the format, and also probably pushes aggro too far with the Fetch Shock I'm Conley Woods business.
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But that doesn't help Modern at all. The mana bases are already perfect. If the purpose is to push Modern you want to decrease the entry barrier (hence the Modern Masters product). To do that you reprint currently high priced cards, not add more high priced cards that don't actually add anything that's not already there, which Onslaught fetches do.
The reason people want Onslaught fetches reprinted is so they can get them cheaper for EDH and Legacy. They just like to use Modern as an excuse, but when you actually look at it logically, Modern doesn't make sense to use as a reason to reprint Onslaught fetches. If they are reprinted, it will be in a Commander product.
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Who ever said after shocks rotate is correct, which will be 2014/2015 so 2016 is the correct number.
Saying how much you want them has no bearing on reprint time.
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If it does, it'll probably happen in M15, creating only a very brief overlap.
Just my guess... (they did it with Rancor and Infect)
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I don't know about "perfect". Look at Jund: they can only run one Fetch that hits all three of their possible Shocks, forcing them to run fetches that only hit 2 of the three.
Also, as I stated, in every Standard with Fetches in packs, the Fetches have commanded around $10 for the duration. There's no reason to suspect that this time would be any different. So it would make fetchlands available to those who wanted them. Don't want to pay $30 for a Misty Rainforest? Go get a $12 Polluted Delta.
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Any fetch in modern can get you any color. As long as you aren't a bad player, it doesn't matter much at all if you can't get blood crypt with misty rainforest as you typically have all 3 colors on turn 2 if you open with just a single fetch. You can still get black and red mana with misty rainforest if you really need to. The manabases in modern are 'too good' if anything with no wasteland in the format to keep manabases in check like there is in legacy. Any fetchland + a filterland means their mana is fixed indefinitely typically. And with no wasteland, once they have their mana fixed it is fixed forever since jund's curve stops at 4 and tectonic edge isn't really a good answer at that point against jund.
Extended is an official format in name only. I haven't heard one word about extended ever since modern was announced other than these 3 words. "Extended is dead."
Onslaught fetches aren't going to be in standard at the same time as shocklands. Or any fetches for that matter. Anyone with any amount of common sense can see that.
I think I remember hearing that WotC doesn't necessarily want the full 10 fetchlands in modern, and I tend to agree with that. Fetches bog down games and it is extremely annoying to resolve a fetchland activation. WotC doesn't like tutor cards in general and the fetchlands are in fact tutors.
That said I wouldn't be surprised to see onslaught fetches in a commander product or something. The price of fetches is absurd for onslaught copies outside of the jund colored ones (wooded foothills and bloodstained mire are both barely ran in legacy right now due to RG and BR strategies being pretty bad.)
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Sure, they were only $10 during their time time in Standard because they only saw play in two formats, and one of those formats required dual lands. Now fetches would see play in 3 formats and only require Shocks. That alone would increase their price. Something like Polluted Delta would easily sell for around $20 at the outset as everyone tried to get their set for both Standard and Modern, and it wouldn't drop much from there. You can compare that to the Shocklands. Shocks are anywhere between $15-$20, but they were printed more recently than Onslaught fetches and in a much higher number based on the growth of the game (Rav was hugely popular). There was already a fair amount in print. Onslaught fetches are already relatively scarce so a lot of people would need them.
All you are doing by adding them to Modern is increasing the cost to get in, and as shown by Bread Connoisseur the benefit is almost nil, at least to good players. The reason you want them is not for Modern, but because you want them for Legacy or EDH, you are just trying to justify it using Modern. Stop trying, it doesn't work. Just wait for them to be reprinted in a Commander product, as they will be someday.
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The biggest problem with not having all 10 fetches available in Modern is that Allied 2-color and Allied 3-color decks can't always fetch the needed basic land, which is relevant for combating Blood Moon, Tectonic Edge, and their ilk. Also, it comes down to cost. Doubling the number of fetches available would substantially decrease the cost of the Modern manabase and have a knock on effect for EDH, Legacy, etc due to lower cost substitutes being available if you're willing to risk not being able to find the right basic every once in a while. Besides, allied manabases are supposed to be easier than enemy mana bases, and Extended is effectively dead so its not worth worrying about at this time.
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There are quite a few mana greedy legacy lists that don't port to modern simply because the conversion from duals to shocks means you start the game at 14.
While Wizards is resistant to the homogeneous good- stuff decks that are allowed by easy access mana bases I believe that the lands are properly balanced to the degree that the life loss of fetch - shock would allow aggro to balance the standard format.
I think that wizards believes that leaving fetches out of modern masters was a mistake. Dropping the price of shocks means nothing when you have $35 fetches.
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I was quoting someone saying that they wouldn't be printed until shocklands rotated out of Extended. I agree that they won't be put in the same Standard environment, but I expect them to be together in Extended, assuming it still exists at that point.