MTG Salvation

Quote from Ebonclaw

Wizards doesn't like the fetchland cycle. Something about not liking magic having "load screens", which is basically what happens when a fetch gets cracked. In any event, the zen fetches were only done to complete the cycle, but I don't think they'll be reprinted for the same reason it's highly unlikely sensei's top will be reprinted-it takes too damn long when everyone's cracking a fetch every other turn, which is followed by a shuffle and a cut from opponent.

I don't think that is plausible. Wizards still prints cards like Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds and cards that ask people to search through their libraries, all of which would result in a shuffle and cut.

They will likely be reprinted when they plan a Standard season not having any strong mana-fixing lands.

Prices will drop when they reprint these cards, but the demand will just soak it up, so the prices will go back up after a while.

Quote from FoxBat

More important than the things they actually fetch (duals), which by the way are on the reserve list? And thus reprinting fetches won't do a damn thing for legacy accessiblity, duals are still a big barrier, their cost will rise by whatever infentisemal percent is shaved off of reprinted cards.

Yes, fetchlands are much more important than dual lands.

They fix mana bases more effectively, provide shuffle effects for Brainstorm, fill the graveyard for effects like Loam/Crucible/Knight, and allow you to play around Wasteland. There's a reason fetchlands see significantly more play (roughly twice as much) than their corresponding dual lands, not only in Legacy but also in Modern (where the effect is even more dramatic because of the absence of allied fetchlands).

Wizards has to reprint onslaught fetches. Their policy is to make allied color fixing better than enemy color fixing. Having enemy fetches but no allied fetches in modern makes no sense.

They also said they didn't like Innistrad having enemy fetches, especially so when the tribes are allied colored. They got included though because standard needed a set of enemy colored lands and the needs of a healthy standard format trumped what made sense for the block.

There's a lot of room to place them in upcoming products this year. You can always slip them into something within the next 1-2 years. I am also considering planechase and commander as a 'standard set' which kind of skirts the answer

In the future? Yes.
In the near term? No.

As many people have said, I don't see them ever creating a standard environment where they give players access to both the shocklands and fetchlands.

Quote from Warden

There's a lot of room to place them in upcoming products this year. You can always slip them into something within the next 1-2 years. I am also considering planechase and commander as a 'standard set' which kind of skirts the answer

They aren't going to do that- it disturbs the careful balance that they go through when designing those sealed products... to make it good enough to keep people interested, but not good enough that people can just gut them for the card value. While there are anomolies, these are few and far between. (Counterpunch Commander deck, Rat's nest precon).

Quote from Ebonclaw

Wizards doesn't like the fetchland cycle. Something about not liking magic having "load screens", which is basically what happens when a fetch gets cracked. In any event, the zen fetches were only done to complete the cycle, but I don't think they'll be reprinted for the same reason it's highly unlikely sensei's top will be reprinted-it takes too damn long when everyone's cracking a fetch every other turn, which is followed by a shuffle and a cut from opponent.

This is correct, except that the Zen fetches were partially created because of their synergy with landfall, not just to complete a cycle.

Onslaught fetches are perfectly reprintable, but it isn't likely to happen soon. The drawback of slowing down Standard is pretty big, so there would have to be an even bigger upside to printing them again. Modern is not a strong enough reason for a random reprint, in my opinion. In order for the fetches to come back, they would have to work within a set better than any other duals would. We may even have to wait until we go back to Zendikar to see them again.

Urza's Eyes, they had better. It will be awesome for Modern!

Quote from EvilDuck

That's why Innistrad Block Constructed is vastly friendlier to enemy-colored decks, right? Considering everyone uses fetches to grab shocks anyways, I'd bet Wizards is fine with Modern only having the enemy fetches.

Sure, one season's format for a pro tour and a couple grand prix is much more indicative of Wizard's policy on color fixing than the previous ~8-10 years of magic. Seems logical.

ONS Fetchlands will never be reprinted. That isn't WoTC's style

Quote from w_u_b_r_g

I was searching threads for others' speculation on the reprinting of the allied fetch lands from Onslaught. Well, most of the posts were from 2010 (before the announcement of the Modern format) and many people were hopeful, but cited reasons against their reprinting due to the standard and extended environments. I am now wondering whether the existence of Modern would point toward the unlikelihood of them being reprinted. I'm not sure WotC wants players to have access to both enemy and allied fetches in Modern. What do you think?

See, I come down on the exact opposite side regarding those last two sentences. It doesn't make much sense to me for Modern to have enemy fetches but not have allied ones. Allied pairs are the more "natural" pairs, so they should be easier to play.

Quote from Mr_Snrub

God give it a rest..They are not expensive at all they don't need to reprinted.

Not expensive? Flooded Strand and Polluted Delta will both run you north of $40.

In my eyes, if a playset costs $150+ it is too expensive. These cards will only increase in cost and cost is the biggest barrier into type 1 and 1.5.

If they do return, I expect them to return at mythic to keep the price up, breaking one of the few things Maro has promised about mythics that hasn't been broken already (no mythic rare lands that are a cycle)

ultratog1028
If they do return, I expect them to return at mythic to keep the price up, breaking one of the few things Maro has promised about mythics that hasn't been broken already

That dosen't make any sense.If they didnt want them in modern and didnt want to have to many floating around they wouldn't have bothered to put them at rare in Zen.

Once they find a place for them in standard where they make sense and wont be alongside shocks or powerful lands with basic land types they'll throw them in.Adding the Ons fetches arent going to destroy Modern if they add them since the Zen ones can already get all the shocks anyway.

I say these suckers get reprinted in either the 2013 fall expansion or the 2014 one. I'm not sure they're good for a core set because of the life clause but, otherwise, there's no reason for them not to reprint them for modern reasons since they're not legal there.

why reprint onslaught fetches?
if they reprint every single card in magic Modern will be the same as legacy with exception to the duals who are on the reprint list...

the enemy colored fetch is fine enough...

Quote from ultratog1028

In my eyes, if a playset costs $150+ it is too expensive. These cards will only increase in cost and cost is the biggest barrier into type 1 and 1.5.

If they do return, I expect them to return at mythic to keep the price up, breaking one of the few things Maro has promised about mythics that hasn't been broken already (no mythic rare lands that are a cycle)

This doesen't make sense to me. WotC will reprint that kind of card's wich are allready in Modern AND are expensive.
But you're talking about ONS fetches and they actually aren't legal in Modern.

I belive they won't reprint the ONS fetches in a standat legal set unlike to the shock lands wich are allready Modern legal and have a high price tag from my point of view... I'd be glad if they reprint the shocklands.

Quote from Ebonclaw

Wizards doesn't like the fetchland cycle. Something about not liking magic having "load screens", which is basically what happens when a fetch gets cracked. In any event, the zen fetches were only done to complete the cycle, but I don't think they'll be reprinted for the same reason it's highly unlikely sensei's top will be reprinted-it takes too damn long when everyone's cracking a fetch every other turn, which is followed by a shuffle and a cut from opponent.

It is like a load screen, I never thought about like that before, but they're right. I hate playing people that need to "load" there lands every turn. I dont think they'll reprint them for that reason. From what I've seen the way mtg wants the game played is the way its going to be.

In the long term, it would prove hugely asinine to only have the enemy-fetches available in Modern.

For now, they're afraid of shocks + fetches producing a repeat of Reflecting Pool + vivids...

Quote from LimDuhl

This doesen't make sense to me. WotC will reprint that kind of card's wich are allready in Modern AND are expensive.
But you're talking about ONS fetches and they actually aren't legal in Modern.

I belive they won't reprint the ONS fetches in a standat legal set unlike to the shock lands wich are allready Modern legal and have a high price tag from my point of view... I'd be glad if they reprint the shocklands.

They should reprint them whether or not they are Modern legal. If they don't want to have them in Modern, they could print them in Commander or something like that.

The Shocks will not be reprinted with in the same standard format as fetches...so one or the other will probably be reprinted soon, and the other quite a ways down the road. Since we just had fetches printed in Zendikar, I feel that it's much more likely to see shocks reprinted first...then when they rotate out of standard, a reprint of the onslaught fetches.

Quote from LimDuhl

This doesen't make sense to me. WotC will reprint that kind of card's wich are allready in Modern AND are expensive.
But you're talking about ONS fetches and they actually aren't legal in Modern.

I belive they won't reprint the ONS fetches in a standat legal set unlike to the shock lands wich are allready Modern legal and have a high price tag from my point of view... I'd be glad if they reprint the shocklands.

We already have Zendikar Fetchlands in Modern. Would Onslaught Fetchlands REALLY change anything for Modern? If anything it might make stable and expensive modern legal mana bases more stable and just as expensive.

And if Modern is the issue here, perhaps reprinting them in some collector thing. Not a From the Vault, but something like the old Anthologies or Garfield vs Finkel box set thing.

They are great cards, but honestly are expensive as crap. Actually they were cheap until shocklands came...

But I've always hated expensive lands. It's why I loved stone rain so much. My $0.05 card just destroyed your $20 land and ruined your mana balance for 2-3 turns.

Quote from ultratog1028

But I've always hated expensive lands. It's why I loved stone rain so much. My $0.05 card just destroyed your $20 land and ruined your mana balance for 2-3 turns.

Expensive duals are a must for any competitive format. No going around that.

In response to your stone rain.. I play Shard Volley !!