I doubt Green Sun's Zenith is getting banned from Legacy. It's not dominating the format to the point where nothing else can compete.
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The only card I've heard halfway reasonable argument for banning in Legacy based on power level is Brainstorm, and A.F. has said directly that that's not going to happen any time soon.
There's a number of cards that could be safely unbanned, though.
I doubt Green Sun's Zenith is getting banned from Legacy. It's not dominating the format to the point where nothing else can compete.
ok but let's make a list of the strongest legacy cards:
blue:
-brainstorm: strong, used and abused but is not an incisive card, doesn't turn a loss into a win
-force of will: THE counter, if there's a splash of blue, there's FoW. why don't ban it? because is like brainstorm and also is probably the most sold card in magic.
-snapcaster mage: maybe, it's TOO strong for this format
green:
-tarmogoyf: strongest creature ever, but there's a lot of hate for it, doesn't need a ban, also because it should be reprint soon.
-green sun's zenith: maverick, no rug, bant, zoo, now all this already strong decks have a tutor, a TOO STRONG tutor that can be used and re-used and really could turn a loss into a win.
red:
there's nothing that should be banned, IMHO
white:
stoneforge mystic: already banned in ext and modern, she (unfortunately) won't be banned. but I REALLY hope they will.
black:
dismember: I hope they won't ban it, but it's too much similar to Mental Misstep
entomb/reanimate: they won't ban this, or they won't sell the premium deck graveborn
artifact:
batterskull: if they don't ban SFM, they should ban this
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It just sounds like you've lost to one too many Stoneblade decks.
Legacy is perfectly fine. If Force of Will was banned, the playability of blue as a color would plummet. In addition, neither Stoneforge Mystic nor Batterskull are dominating the format, so it wouldn't make sense to ban them.
Green's Sun Zenith is a flexible and powerful tutor, but then again, so is Natural Order.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
-force of will: THE counter, if there's a splash of blue, there's FoW. why don't ban it? because is like brainstorm and also is probably the most sold card in magic.
When someone puts Force of Will anywhere near a banned list, you know that person has no clue about how Legacy works.
I have to disagree with with; all of these cards are very beatable and not as amazing in the grand scheme of modern. The exception is Gifts Ungiven because of its versatility, but I don't see them neutering such a popular stereotype.
They've already driven away a lot of players with their banlist, adding these four VERY popular cards would make it appealing to even fewer people.
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As someone else noted, none of these cards are overly powerful. Twin didn't put a single deck into the recent Top 8, and the pros were much more worried about Storm.
Elf and Plating are powerful, but not oppressive. Banning Plating would pretty much kill Affinity, and there's no reason to do that as it is just one piece of the metagame.
Gifts would only be banned because of its 2 card interaction, and Forsythe said on Twitter a few weeks ago they didn't really have a problem with it, even though it was unintended.
I wouldn't change anything except for maybe unbanning ancestral vision, golgari grave troll and maybe just MAYBE umezawa's jitte and jace the mind sculptor in Modern.
Legacy is perfectly balanced at the moment and the thought of unbanning land tax is utterly ridiculous. Also anyone who thinks FOW should be banned should probably stop playing magic altogether.
Nothing will be banned in Standard. Extended might need a ban, but nobody knows or cares enough to do it.
Modern is a wild card. The ban list for Modern seems to grow all the time, and I wouldn't expect anything different this time. A lot of people want to see Arcbound Ravager or Cranial Plating gone, and I don't that's such a bad idea. Pyromancer Ascension is an annoying deck, even after they lost some key cards. I'd like to see Ascension get the ban hammer, even though that may be a bit unreasonable. Other things like Splinter Twin, Gifts Ungiven, and Bloodbraid Elf aren't quite format defining enough to warrant any kind of ban. Then again, the Modern bannings never made sense before, so why start now?
Legacy and Vintage are doing great. Some things could come off of the ban lists, but I don't really know enough about either one to tell you what that would be.
I would not be surprised at all to see Library come off the restricted list in Vintage. It's been a 4-of in online classic for over a year and hasn't really made much of a splash.
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If wizards bans these cards it will end Modern as a format. Nothing needs to be banned in modern, in fact they need to start looking at things to unban.
Jace SHOULD be unbanned in modern. I hate all the people saying "JACE IS BROKEN OHMYGOD HE'LL TAKE OVER AND CAWBLADE WILL REIGN SUPREME AGAIN" when bloodbraid elf literally comes down after jace and kicks jace right in the crotch, takes jace's lunch money, and jace is left to bleed out on the sidewalk in agonizing pain.
Nothing in Modern needs to be banned. It has a very varied metagame with plenty of viable aggro, combo and control archetypes. Zoo needed a banning because it pushed out all other aggro archetypes. Affinity isn't doing that - it's just one of multiple viable aggro archetypes. Further, it's easily hated against. It doesn't need to be removed from the metagame, which is what banning Cranial Plating would do.
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IMHO we will see Green sun's zenith banned from legacy and maybe something unbanned.
what do you think about it?
personally, I believe this is modern's "brainstorm"(for control players, and I say this very loosely).
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There's a number of cards that could be safely unbanned, though.
ok but let's make a list of the strongest legacy cards:
blue:
-brainstorm: strong, used and abused but is not an incisive card, doesn't turn a loss into a win
-force of will: THE counter, if there's a splash of blue, there's FoW. why don't ban it? because is like brainstorm and also is probably the most sold card in magic.
-snapcaster mage: maybe, it's TOO strong for this format
green:
-tarmogoyf: strongest creature ever, but there's a lot of hate for it, doesn't need a ban, also because it should be reprint soon.
-green sun's zenith: maverick, no rug, bant, zoo, now all this already strong decks have a tutor, a TOO STRONG tutor that can be used and re-used and really could turn a loss into a win.
red:
there's nothing that should be banned, IMHO
white:
stoneforge mystic: already banned in ext and modern, she (unfortunately) won't be banned. but I REALLY hope they will.
black:
dismember: I hope they won't ban it, but it's too much similar to Mental Misstep
entomb/reanimate: they won't ban this, or they won't sell the premium deck graveborn
artifact:
batterskull: if they don't ban SFM, they should ban this
Legacy is perfectly fine. If Force of Will was banned, the playability of blue as a color would plummet. In addition, neither Stoneforge Mystic nor Batterskull are dominating the format, so it wouldn't make sense to ban them.
Green's Sun Zenith is a flexible and powerful tutor, but then again, so is Natural Order.
When someone puts Force of Will anywhere near a banned list, you know that person has no clue about how Legacy works.
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Speaking of which I would love to see mental misstep pulled off the ban list.
The WotC will release the new banned/restricted update on March 20. Here are my predictions.
Vintage:
Burning Wish is unrestricted
Legacy:
Land Tax is unbanned
Modern:
Bloodbraid Elf is banned
Cranial Plating is banned
Gifts Ungiven is banned
Splinter Twin is banned
Extended:
No Change
Standard:
No Change
I have to disagree with with; all of these cards are very beatable and not as amazing in the grand scheme of modern. The exception is Gifts Ungiven because of its versatility, but I don't see them neutering such a popular stereotype.
They've already driven away a lot of players with their banlist, adding these four VERY popular cards would make it appealing to even fewer people.
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As someone else noted, none of these cards are overly powerful. Twin didn't put a single deck into the recent Top 8, and the pros were much more worried about Storm.
Elf and Plating are powerful, but not oppressive. Banning Plating would pretty much kill Affinity, and there's no reason to do that as it is just one piece of the metagame.
Gifts would only be banned because of its 2 card interaction, and Forsythe said on Twitter a few weeks ago they didn't really have a problem with it, even though it was unintended.
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Legacy is perfectly balanced at the moment and the thought of unbanning land tax is utterly ridiculous. Also anyone who thinks FOW should be banned should probably stop playing magic altogether.
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Modern is a wild card. The ban list for Modern seems to grow all the time, and I wouldn't expect anything different this time. A lot of people want to see Arcbound Ravager or Cranial Plating gone, and I don't that's such a bad idea. Pyromancer Ascension is an annoying deck, even after they lost some key cards. I'd like to see Ascension get the ban hammer, even though that may be a bit unreasonable. Other things like Splinter Twin, Gifts Ungiven, and Bloodbraid Elf aren't quite format defining enough to warrant any kind of ban. Then again, the Modern bannings never made sense before, so why start now?
Legacy and Vintage are doing great. Some things could come off of the ban lists, but I don't really know enough about either one to tell you what that would be.
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I could see regrowth coming off too.
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If wizards bans these cards it will end Modern as a format. Nothing needs to be banned in modern, in fact they need to start looking at things to unban.
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