I don't know for certain what kind of set it will be, but I think it could be a battle bond set, because Gavin or Mark Rosewater kind of hinted that more Background card could be coming in the future and their really isn't alot of types of products those fit into.
See this is where I think going to a two-set block format again would be beneficial. There are a lot of mechanics in singleton sets that can easily be expanded on in another subsequent set. Like Learn/Lessons for instance.
The bad part is that those mechanics usually tend to be redone in sets that are not standard legal. Only need to look at the latest Commander product featuring Foretell cards in it.
But on your point, I guess it depends on how well received the D&D flavour is amongst players. I've heard people say, particularly from Timmy's Emporium (Rudy), that AFR was a financial flop. It did have some good cards in it that see regular play, but nothing to the likes of Strixhaven or Kaldheim. *shrug*
'buster
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset. Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
There was also some talk about more time passing until the next D&D-themed set, probably due to the Phyrexian arc picking up over the next two years. I suspect our next D&D tie-in will actually be like Strixhaven: A new plane that will receive a D&D sourcebook rather than the reverse. We're due for one of those.
The best, of course, would be D&D: Dominaria covering both modern Dominaria and the Brother's War.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
[thread=239793][Game] Level Up - Creature[/thread]
There was also some talk about more time passing until the next D&D-themed set, probably due to the Phyrexian arc picking up over the next two years. I suspect our next D&D tie-in will actually be like Strixhaven: A new plane that will receive a D&D sourcebook rather than the reverse. We're due for one of those.
The best, of course, would be D&D: Dominaria covering both modern Dominaria and the Brother's War.
Your ignoring that their is $100,000,000 dollar D&D Forgotten Realms movie next year, what could be the first of a series of such movies, no way they let that pass because of a Phyrexian Arc, hell they'd have the Phrexyians invade Forgotten Realms somehow before they let an opportunity dor epic synergy like this pass threw fingers. Plus its likely to be a supplimental set which won't effect the Phyrexian arc at all and would leave room for a new MtG premiere set setting too.
See this is where I think going to a two-set block format again would be beneficial. There are a lot of mechanics in singleton sets that can easily be expanded on in another subsequent set. Like Learn/Lessons for instance.
The bad part is that those mechanics usually tend to be redone in sets that are not standard legal. Only need to look at the latest Commander product featuring Foretell cards in it.
But on your point, I guess it depends on how well received the D&D flavour is amongst players. I've heard people say, particularly from Timmy's Emporium (Rudy), that AFR was a financial flop. It did have some good cards in it that see regular play, but nothing to the likes of Strixhaven or Kaldheim. *shrug*
'buster
I don't follow Rudy but a part of me thinks that a lot of people call AFR a flop because they're wanting the IP to remain "pure". He might be correct because I don't follow finance that much but there were a bunch of cards that see play; Lolth, deadly dispute, the creature lands, prosperous innkeeper, portable hole, werewolf pack leader which I now reread what you said and you mentioned a few cards but I think there's a good amount. I might be biased because I loved both DND sets and I have no problem with universe beyond cards. And I am not sure about the timing, but couldn't they have just rebranded Baldur's gate if AFR didn't sell well. I mean they could have postponed it and rebranded it to a Zendikar Legends set and need only a little bit of flavor fixing. It took them 17 years to return to Kamigawa because of poor sales I think if the sells were that bad for AFR Wizards wouldn't release another product while the dead product is still on the shelves. Sorry for the wall of text but I just feel some in the community want it to fail because it's not within the magic universe.
That being said I do think they could use backgrounds in a variety of ways. While I like that they make new versions of some legends when they revisit a plane I think backgrounds could be used to bring new life to older legends. They could say something like if so and so is your commander you may have this as your second commander. I play Fire Emblem Heroes and they do something called weapon refines for older units to make them a little more competitive due to power creep. I think Backgrounds could be a way of breathing new life into old legends in the same way especially for legends who are dead in cannon. Dominaria could use this as a slew could be commander cards in the set boosters along with reprints for the legends.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Embrace the dark you call a home,
Gaze upon an empty, white throne
A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
I just feel some in the community want it to fail because it's not within the magic universe.
It looked a million times more "Magic" to me than the last two standard sets to me. It felt very refreshing/nice/nostalgic to see more classic sword and sorcery style stuff on the cards than sci fi ninjas and 20's gangsters in suits. If the Universe Beyond cards just all are in that same fantasy setting or style, then I won't mind. It's just stuff like 40k (which I started collecting in '94, so it's not because I don't like Warhammer) that looks so out of place on Magic cards to me, but I don't want it to fail just because I don't like it. I just wish they wouldn't keep pushing to making it more modern in the settings/art. I think stuff like Dungeons & Dragons has been really cool and I definitely won't mind more sets like that. It looks very "magic" to me.
See this is where I think going to a two-set block format again would be beneficial. There are a lot of mechanics in singleton sets that can easily be expanded on in another subsequent set. Like Learn/Lessons for instance.
The bad part is that those mechanics usually tend to be redone in sets that are not standard legal. Only need to look at the latest Commander product featuring Foretell cards in it.
But on your point, I guess it depends on how well received the D&D flavour is amongst players. I've heard people say, particularly from Timmy's Emporium (Rudy), that AFR was a financial flop. It did have some good cards in it that see regular play, but nothing to the likes of Strixhaven or Kaldheim. *shrug*
'buster
I don't follow Rudy but a part of me thinks that a lot of people call AFR a flop because they're wanting the IP to remain "pure". He might be correct because I don't follow finance that much but there were a bunch of cards that see play; Lolth, deadly dispute, the creature lands, prosperous innkeeper, portable hole, werewolf pack leader which I now reread what you said and you mentioned a few cards but I think there's a good amount. I might be biased because I loved both DND sets and I have no problem with universe beyond cards. And I am not sure about the timing, but couldn't they have just rebranded Baldur's gate if AFR didn't sell well. I mean they could have postponed it and rebranded it to a Zendikar Legends set and need only a little bit of flavor fixing. It took them 17 years to return to Kamigawa because of poor sales I think if the sells were that bad for AFR Wizards wouldn't release another product while the dead product is still on the shelves. Sorry for the wall of text but I just feel some in the community want it to fail because it's not within the magic universe.
That being said I do think they could use backgrounds in a variety of ways. While I like that they make new versions of some legends when they revisit a plane I think backgrounds could be used to bring new life to older legends. They could say something like if so and so is your commander you may have this as your second commander. I play Fire Emblem Heroes and they do something called weapon refines for older units to make them a little more competitive due to power creep. I think Backgrounds could be a way of breathing new life into old legends in the same way especially for legends who are dead in cannon. Dominaria could use this as a slew could be commander cards in the set boosters along with reprints for the legends.
Surprisingly Ruby is having the opposite experence with CLB, he's sold more of the product then he's ever sold of anything before. He doesn't get the hate some folkshave for this set (most of it is rage over no jeweled Lotus and Dockside extortionist, which is absurd given how well the borderless planeswalkers and ancient dragons are doung this set). But the haters are convinced this set is doooooooomed, even though folks online on youtube seem to be having an absolute blast with these cards.
I just feel some in the community want it to fail because it's not within the magic universe.
It looked a million times more "Magic" to me than the last two standard sets to me. It felt very refreshing/nice/nostalgic to see more classic sword and sorcery style stuff on the cards than sci fi ninjas and 20's gangsters in suits. If the Universe Beyond cards just all are in that same fantasy setting or style, then I won't mind. It's just stuff like 40k (which I started collecting in '94, so it's not because I don't like Warhammer) that looks so out of place on Magic cards to me, but I don't want it to fail just because I don't like it. I just wish they wouldn't keep pushing to making it more modern in the settings/art. I think stuff like Dungeons & Dragons has been really cool and I definitely won't mind more sets like that. It looks very "magic" to me.
I think I'll come clean here.
My biggest beef lately has been that Magic had a fantastic original setting with Dominaria. Then all this planehopping occurred and now it's hard to tell what the "base" is. Yes I get that the core concept is the multiverse centred around planeswalking, but golly, look at settings like D&D and Abeir-Toril. A solid setting that pretty much everyone relates to with a handful of other planes that play a central part in its existence and other storylines attached.
Magic? Dominaria. Shandalar, Ulgrotha (I wish!), ex-Rath, Mercadia, New Phyrexia, Kamigawa, RAVNICA, Alara, Zendikar, Innistrad, Theros...the list goes on and on. Is the multiverse Magic's home base? Hard to tell.
I think if Magic wants to maintain a solid identity it needs a solid setting that's relatively standard. Magic's original lore was dripping with intrigue and wonder. There's so much you can do with that alone. There are many planes that could be micro-societies on other prominent planes. Amonkhet and New Capenna are similar in terms of their structure and potential back-story (isolated cities protected in some fashion from the rest of the desolate plane).
I don't know. I'm just ranting right now. I need espresso-infused coffee. With a touch of Halo.
'buster
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset. Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Ya know, given the reaction to the CLB release, I doubt we'll be returning to a D&D setting any time soon.
The Professor opened three or four boxes and got abysmal EV from it. His final box getting only $35~ from it. His last pack got him Ink-Eyes, which made up majority of the value attained. For most of it he was sitting at just over US$7.
Ya know, given the reaction to the CLB release, I doubt we'll be returning to a D&D setting any time soon.
The Professor opened three or four boxes and got abysmal EV from it. His final box getting only $35~ from it. His last pack got him Ink-Eyes, which made up majority of the value attained. For most of it he was sitting at just over US$7.
Ya know, given the reaction to the CLB release, I doubt we'll be returning to a D&D setting any time soon.
The Professor opened three or four boxes and got abysmal EV from it. His final box getting only $35~ from it. His last pack got him Ink-Eyes, which made up majority of the value attained. For most of it he was sitting at just over US$7.
If WOTC bases a set's success by the sales, then I think this Baldur's Gate set will foretell (!) no return to the D&D setting any time soon.
'buster
as far as I’m concerned I’m definately gonna hear thr words
“I’m sorry we will stick with mtg universe from here on out for commander legends draft booster sets”
We're sorry for ruining the MTG IP. Here's some Reserved List modifications." Modern-Day Reparations?
I was initially open to it, but I hope the future UBs flop. Magic needs to (re)build its own IP so that other IPs want to import it into theirs. After seeing three set releases within a month of each other in a row, and the horrible EV from Baldur's Gate as experienced by Tolarian Community College, it's starting to get bonkers.
'buster
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset. Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
There were staggeringly few cards in CLB I was interested in. The set seemed pretty crap to me, but to be fair mechanical power level and set usefulness has little to do with the narrative/aesthetic strength of a setting.
I hate crossovers, and I wasn't gonna buy into the D&D sets no matter what beyond a few choice singles. But whether the set turns out to have lots of powerful cards in it or not has much more to do with the design team than the setting.
It's not like Eldraine is fundamentally a better setting than Lorwyn. But it is fundamentally a more powerful set because the cards are significantly more pushed. If they had printed Ragavan as Gollum, it wouldn't make the card any less powerful, and it wouldn't be any reflection on the strength or weakness of the Tolkien setting in MtG. It would simply have been exactly the same as it was with Ragavan: an idiotic mistake allowing an obviously over-pushed card through.
Ragavan being from Kaladesh doesn't make it any less of a mistake to have printed him, and nobody cares what plane he's from when they're getting beaten by the card.
Maybe this will serve as a giant flaming lesson to What-See execs and Hazbruh brass:
"Maybe we ought not to bring non-MTG universe content into non-promo releases. It's bad business."
We still have Warhammer 40K and Lord of the Rings to come. I think that if this flops hard, then it might be a telltale sign of further initiatives being stymied. At least in a draftable release product.
'buster
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset. Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Ya know, given the reaction to the CLB release, I doubt we'll be returning to a D&D setting any time soon.
The Professor opened three or four boxes and got abysmal EV from it. His final box getting only $35~ from it. His last pack got him Ink-Eyes, which made up majority of the value attained. For most of it he was sitting at just over US$7.
If WOTC bases a set's success by the sales, then I think this Baldur's Gate set will foretell (!) no return to the D&D setting any time soon.
'buster
WotC made a 100 million+ dollars USD on every single major set this year up the Q2. That includes Kamigawa, New Capenna, and yes CLB, each made 100 million+ each. Did some LGSs & Dustributers over buy CLB and get burned? Yep. Does CEO Chris Cox who was able to tell investors that CLB made over a 100 million dollars give two *****s that selling an absolutely huge amount of CLB to Distributors based on misleading marketing left some other businesses holding the bag for WotC's giant profits? Not a chance, no more then they are care their huge profits make their excuses for increasingly over charging for product sound like complete BS.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
The bad part is that those mechanics usually tend to be redone in sets that are not standard legal. Only need to look at the latest Commander product featuring Foretell cards in it.
But on your point, I guess it depends on how well received the D&D flavour is amongst players. I've heard people say, particularly from Timmy's Emporium (Rudy), that AFR was a financial flop. It did have some good cards in it that see regular play, but nothing to the likes of Strixhaven or Kaldheim. *shrug*
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
The best, of course, would be D&D: Dominaria covering both modern Dominaria and the Brother's War.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
Factions: Sleeping
Remnants: Valheim
Legendary Journey: Heroes & Planeswalkers
Saga: Shards of Rabiah
Legends: The Elder Dragons
Read up on Red Flags & NWO
Your ignoring that their is $100,000,000 dollar D&D Forgotten Realms movie next year, what could be the first of a series of such movies, no way they let that pass because of a Phyrexian Arc, hell they'd have the Phrexyians invade Forgotten Realms somehow before they let an opportunity dor epic synergy like this pass threw fingers. Plus its likely to be a supplimental set which won't effect the Phyrexian arc at all and would leave room for a new MtG premiere set setting too.
I don't follow Rudy but a part of me thinks that a lot of people call AFR a flop because they're wanting the IP to remain "pure". He might be correct because I don't follow finance that much but there were a bunch of cards that see play; Lolth, deadly dispute, the creature lands, prosperous innkeeper, portable hole, werewolf pack leader which I now reread what you said and you mentioned a few cards but I think there's a good amount. I might be biased because I loved both DND sets and I have no problem with universe beyond cards. And I am not sure about the timing, but couldn't they have just rebranded Baldur's gate if AFR didn't sell well. I mean they could have postponed it and rebranded it to a Zendikar Legends set and need only a little bit of flavor fixing. It took them 17 years to return to Kamigawa because of poor sales I think if the sells were that bad for AFR Wizards wouldn't release another product while the dead product is still on the shelves. Sorry for the wall of text but I just feel some in the community want it to fail because it's not within the magic universe.
That being said I do think they could use backgrounds in a variety of ways. While I like that they make new versions of some legends when they revisit a plane I think backgrounds could be used to bring new life to older legends. They could say something like if so and so is your commander you may have this as your second commander. I play Fire Emblem Heroes and they do something called weapon refines for older units to make them a little more competitive due to power creep. I think Backgrounds could be a way of breathing new life into old legends in the same way especially for legends who are dead in cannon. Dominaria could use this as a slew could be commander cards in the set boosters along with reprints for the legends.
Gaze upon an empty, white throne
A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
It looked a million times more "Magic" to me than the last two standard sets to me. It felt very refreshing/nice/nostalgic to see more classic sword and sorcery style stuff on the cards than sci fi ninjas and 20's gangsters in suits. If the Universe Beyond cards just all are in that same fantasy setting or style, then I won't mind. It's just stuff like 40k (which I started collecting in '94, so it's not because I don't like Warhammer) that looks so out of place on Magic cards to me, but I don't want it to fail just because I don't like it. I just wish they wouldn't keep pushing to making it more modern in the settings/art. I think stuff like Dungeons & Dragons has been really cool and I definitely won't mind more sets like that. It looks very "magic" to me.
Surprisingly Ruby is having the opposite experence with CLB, he's sold more of the product then he's ever sold of anything before. He doesn't get the hate some folkshave for this set (most of it is rage over no jeweled Lotus and Dockside extortionist, which is absurd given how well the borderless planeswalkers and ancient dragons are doung this set). But the haters are convinced this set is doooooooomed, even though folks online on youtube seem to be having an absolute blast with these cards.
I think I'll come clean here.
My biggest beef lately has been that Magic had a fantastic original setting with Dominaria. Then all this planehopping occurred and now it's hard to tell what the "base" is. Yes I get that the core concept is the multiverse centred around planeswalking, but golly, look at settings like D&D and Abeir-Toril. A solid setting that pretty much everyone relates to with a handful of other planes that play a central part in its existence and other storylines attached.
Magic? Dominaria. Shandalar, Ulgrotha (I wish!), ex-Rath, Mercadia, New Phyrexia, Kamigawa, RAVNICA, Alara, Zendikar, Innistrad, Theros...the list goes on and on. Is the multiverse Magic's home base? Hard to tell.
I think if Magic wants to maintain a solid identity it needs a solid setting that's relatively standard. Magic's original lore was dripping with intrigue and wonder. There's so much you can do with that alone. There are many planes that could be micro-societies on other prominent planes. Amonkhet and New Capenna are similar in terms of their structure and potential back-story (isolated cities protected in some fashion from the rest of the desolate plane).
I don't know. I'm just ranting right now. I need espresso-infused coffee. With a touch of Halo.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
The Professor opened three or four boxes and got abysmal EV from it. His final box getting only $35~ from it. His last pack got him Ink-Eyes, which made up majority of the value attained. For most of it he was sitting at just over US$7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqYl4g9eD2Y
If WOTC bases a set's success by the sales, then I think this Baldur's Gate set will foretell (!) no return to the D&D setting any time soon.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
as far as I’m concerned I’m definately gonna hear thr words
“I’m sorry we will stick with mtg universe from here on out for commander legends draft booster sets”
We're sorry for ruining the MTG IP. Here's some Reserved List modifications." Modern-Day Reparations?
I was initially open to it, but I hope the future UBs flop. Magic needs to (re)build its own IP so that other IPs want to import it into theirs. After seeing three set releases within a month of each other in a row, and the horrible EV from Baldur's Gate as experienced by Tolarian Community College, it's starting to get bonkers.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
I hate crossovers, and I wasn't gonna buy into the D&D sets no matter what beyond a few choice singles. But whether the set turns out to have lots of powerful cards in it or not has much more to do with the design team than the setting.
It's not like Eldraine is fundamentally a better setting than Lorwyn. But it is fundamentally a more powerful set because the cards are significantly more pushed. If they had printed Ragavan as Gollum, it wouldn't make the card any less powerful, and it wouldn't be any reflection on the strength or weakness of the Tolkien setting in MtG. It would simply have been exactly the same as it was with Ragavan: an idiotic mistake allowing an obviously over-pushed card through.
Ragavan being from Kaladesh doesn't make it any less of a mistake to have printed him, and nobody cares what plane he's from when they're getting beaten by the card.
Low-power cube enthusiast!
My 1570 card cube (no longer updated)
My 415 Peasant+ Artifact and Enchantment Cube
Ever-Expanding "Just throw it in" cube.
https://archidekt.com/user/71716
but clearly D&D lost all hope of stealing any more commander legends set from the mtg universe
"Maybe we ought not to bring non-MTG universe content into non-promo releases. It's bad business."
We still have Warhammer 40K and Lord of the Rings to come. I think that if this flops hard, then it might be a telltale sign of further initiatives being stymied. At least in a draftable release product.
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
WotC made a 100 million+ dollars USD on every single major set this year up the Q2. That includes Kamigawa, New Capenna, and yes CLB, each made 100 million+ each. Did some LGSs & Dustributers over buy CLB and get burned? Yep. Does CEO Chris Cox who was able to tell investors that CLB made over a 100 million dollars give two *****s that selling an absolutely huge amount of CLB to Distributors based on misleading marketing left some other businesses holding the bag for WotC's giant profits? Not a chance, no more then they are care their huge profits make their excuses for increasingly over charging for product sound like complete BS.