So, with the spoilers from today including the seemingly-legitimate leak, we know quite a bit about the Planeswalkers in this set.
Bolas (UBR), Gideon (W), and Liliana (G) are at Mythic
Ugin (C, not spoiled but known to be rare), Karn (C), Jace (U), Nissa (G), Chandra (R), Domri (GR), Teferi (UW), Ral (UR), Ajani (GW), Sorin (BW) are at at Rare.
Ob Nixilis (B), Tibalt (R), Arlinn (G), and Vraska (GB) at uncommon.
We know that there are 13 rares and 20 uncommons, with the uncommons being split with 2 of each monocolor and 1 hybrid for each color pair. Looking at our remaining walkers, we get the following (likely) breakdown of uncommon walkers:
W: Shepherd Lady, Hat Lady
U: Tamiyo, Teyo
B: Ob, Daviriel
R: Tibalt, Sarkhan, Jaya
G: Arlinn, Vivien, Jianng
WU: Narset, Dovin
UB: Ashiok
BR: Angrath
RG: Samut
GW: Huatli
WB: Kaya
BG: Vraska
GU: Kiora
UR: Saheeli
RW: Nahiri
There are obviously a few unknowns here, including the colors of our four new Planeswalkers. 3 of these cards also need to be pushed up to Rare, likely one of the red Walkers, one of the green Walkers, and one of Dovin/Narset. Alternatively, Dovin or Narset could be monocolored (likely Blue, though Dovin could be W) and one of the unknown walkers could pushed up to rare or pushed into another slot to push someone else to rare.
My current best guess is that Dovin, Sarkhan, and Vivien will be rare, and all three will be monocolored. This would have U, G, and R each having 2 rare planeswalkers, to balance out the fact that White and Black get a Mythic planeswalker.
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Teyo as blue? White magic, white skillset, white purpose; Teyo looks to be white for sure. And the lady with the red hair, white cloak, and blue magic looks firmly WU. Only other viable option is WUB, and then she'll be rare.
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Teyo as blue? White magic, white skillset, white purpose; Teyo looks to be white for sure. And the lady with the red hair, white cloak, and blue magic looks firmly WU. Only other viable option is WUB, and then she'll be rare.
I mean is possible that they cut the mono white and mono black rare planeswalker slot because of the mythic planeswalker. I find it strange that Azorius would get more planeswalker than the other color combination. Dovin could be uncommon and Ginger Lady maybe some other color combination. We still doesn't know who she is. Maybe she is 3 colored and rare. For me she seems to be more white than Hat Lady but well everything is possible.
Edit: A shame that Teyo will be an unexciting planeswalker card. The character and magical tool-set was interesting and promising. But with just 1 ability and a passive I don't believe they can make this justice. The same goes for Davriel.
Edit2: Found this statements from Maro:
skyknightxi asked: I'm trying to make sense of how the colors are represented in the rare planeswalkers. Even accounting for Karn and Ugin, we end up with eleven. Working with the assumption that all monocolors and allied dyads are represented, it seems someone is left oddly on their own. (My own guess, admittedly, is that we have two UR planeswalkers--Saheeli at uncommon, Ral at rare.)
There are colorless, monocolor, and two-color planeswalkers at rare. Not all two-color combinations are present and no more than one of any two-color combination shows up.
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nouser1000 asked: Other than Nicol Bolas, are there any 3-color planeswalkers in WAR?
No.
and...
theothin asked: Does any color have multiple rare mono-color planeswalkers in WAR?
I think Nahiri will be the RW Rare Walker in order for her to be on par with Sorin, and Huatli will be the uncommon RW since she's just some random with no stakes on the story whatsoever. Hat lady or even Jianng can probably be GW. Also Sarkhan's probs gonna be RB since we only have Angrath in that color pair and he was almost Jund on DTK. Also Gideon's a Rare and not a Mythic since he only has 2 abilities. Narset and Dovin will probably be both uncommon, on UW and one mono U.
Also since it's Davriel's debut I fully expect him to at least be the UB Rare with Ashiok taking the UB Uncommon slot.
I think Nahiri will be the RW Rare Walker in order for her to be on par with Sorin, and Huatli will be the uncommon RW since she's just some random with no stakes on the story whatsoever. Hat lady or even Jianng can probably be GW. Also Sarkhan's probs gonna be RB since we only have Angrath in that color pair and he was almost Jund on DTK. Also Gideon's a Rare and not a Mythic since he only has 2 abilities. Narset and Dovin will probably be both uncommon, on UW and one mono U.
Also since it's Davriel's debut I fully expect him to at least be the UB Rare with Ashiok taking the UB Uncommon slot.
Gideon is in fact mythic. He has 2 passive and 2 active ability slots. In addition his passive is super strong. Like having one of his active abilities defaultly online. 3 Mana 4/4 indestructible, undamageable unit that give another unit vigilance, indestructible and lifelink.
There are multiple debuts Teyo, Ginger Woman, Hat Lady and Davriel.
We know that the uncommons will have 2 cycles -> 10 color pairs and 5x2 Mono colored planeswalker. This was confirmed by maro. There aren't many options for 2 mono colored white planeswalkers. There is Teyo, Ajani and Gideon. Gideon is already mythic and Ajani ist Selesnya. At least one of the new planeswalkers need to be white.
Teyo as blue? White magic, white skillset, white purpose; Teyo looks to be white for sure. And the lady with the red hair, white cloak, and blue magic looks firmly WU. Only other viable option is WUB, and then she'll be rare.
My mistake on Teyo. I assumed he was U, but you are right that W makes more sense. Shepherd lady looks UW but she absolutely 100% cannot be unless both Narset and Dovin are mono-colored, because one of the pieces of information we DO know is that there are no more than one walker of any color pair at rare (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183854612958/im-trying-to-make-sense-of-how-the-colors-are), but we do know that there will be multiple walkers of at least one mono-colored at rare (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183854925728/does-any-color-have-multiple-rare-mono-color). We also know there are no tricolor walkers besides Bolas. With Dovin and Narset competing over the uncommon UW slot and Teferi already taking the rare slot, it seems extremely unlikely that any of the new walkers are UW.
These seem like reasonable guesses though I don't think Nahiri is going to warrant a Rare slot. I think we're more likely to see Nahiri at RW uncommon, with Huatli as the G/W and Vivien as mono-green at Rare.
If only one rare mono-colored is doubled up, it's almost certainly Green to offset the mythics, which have UBRW each show up once and B show up twice, with no Green.
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Sarkhan (R?) -- Process of elimination: Sarkhan, Jaya and Tibalt are three mono-R walkers, and only two can be uncommon. It also seems weird to have both Jaya and Chandra at rare. Wouldn't be surprised if he has other colors, though.
"Whip Lady" has been confirmed as a white planeswalker with a wonky spark called "The Wanderer". She basically has to make an effort to not planeswalk constantly.
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I think it’s risky for Wizards to dump so much blue and white aligned planeswalker support in the meta right now. It seems like not long ago that they rebalanced standard away from the Teferi Control takeover. I also can’t imagine them putting Teyo in a rare spot. It seems likely he will be a protagonist of the next block and since Dovin’s arc is finishing up its makes much more sense for him to round out the rare white spot.
I think it’s risky for Wizards to dump so much blue and white aligned planeswalker support in the meta right now. It seems like not long ago that they rebalanced standard away from the Teferi Control takeover. I also can’t imagine them putting Teyo in a rare spot. It seems likely he will be a protagonist of the next block and since Dovin’s arc is finishing up its makes much more sense for him to round out the rare white spot.
This is a good and reasonable guess, but MaRo has confirmed there will be no more than on walker for any given color pair at rare, so we will not see Dovin as as UW rare walker with Teferi confirmed for that slot.
One of Dovin or Narset has to be monocolored, and either that monocolored walker will be rare, or it pushes one of Teyo, the Shepherd Girl, or Tamiyo to rare.
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I think it’s risky for Wizards to dump so much blue and white aligned planeswalker support in the meta right now. It seems like not long ago that they rebalanced standard away from the Teferi Control takeover. I also can’t imagine them putting Teyo in a rare spot. It seems likely he will be a protagonist of the next block and since Dovin’s arc is finishing up its makes much more sense for him to round out the rare white spot.
This is a good and reasonable guess, but MaRo has confirmed there will be no more than on walker for any given color pair at rare, so we will not see Dovin as as UW rare walker with Teferi confirmed for that slot.
One of Dovin or Narset has to be monocolored, and either that monocolored walker will be rare, or it pushes one of Teyo, the Shepherd Girl, or Tamiyo to rare.
Can you send the link of when MaRo said that? Also I can’t imagine Dovin being mono-Blue or white, but there also hasn’t been a precedent set of Narset being mono-Blue or White either? Jeskai as a wedge is blue focused, yes? So maybe Narset could be mono-Blue? But also, if there isn’t a repeat color combo then where does Sarkhan fit in? Mono-red would again imbalance the little color balance we have between mythic and rare. If he hadn’t switched to Temur colors I would assume he would go to Rakdos but that seems impossible now. And finally, Tamiyo will definitely not be rare, and I can’t imsgine scepter girl who we don’t even know the name of being rare either, so that would leave Teyo. If Teyo is then mono-White rare we again unbalance the current black-shafted color spread.
Can you send the link of when MaRo said that? Also I can’t imagine Dovin being mono-Blue or white, but there also hasn’t been a precedent set of Narset being mono-Blue or White either? Jeskai as a wedge is blue focused, yes? So maybe Narset could be mono-Blue? But also, if there isn’t a repeat color combo then where does Sarkhan fit in? Mono-red would again imbalance the little color balance we have between mythic and rare. If he hadn’t switched to Temur colors I would assume he would go to Rakdos but that seems impossible now. And finally, Tamiyo will definitely not be rare, and I can’t imsgine scepter girl who we don’t even know the name of being rare either, so that would leave Teyo. If Teyo is then mono-White rare we again unbalance the current black-shafted color spread.
"There are colorless, monocolor, and two-color planeswalkers at rare. Not all two-color combinations are present and no more than one of any two-color combination shows up."
Can you send the link of when MaRo said that? Also I can’t imagine Dovin being mono-Blue or white, but there also hasn’t been a precedent set of Narset being mono-Blue or White either? Jeskai as a wedge is blue focused, yes? So maybe Narset could be mono-Blue? But also, if there isn’t a repeat color combo then where does Sarkhan fit in? Mono-red would again imbalance the little color balance we have between mythic and rare. If he hadn’t switched to Temur colors I would assume he would go to Rakdos but that seems impossible now. And finally, Tamiyo will definitely not be rare, and I can’t imsgine scepter girl who we don’t even know the name of being rare either, so that would leave Teyo. If Teyo is then mono-White rare we again unbalance the current black-shafted color spread.
"There are colorless, monocolor, and two-color planeswalkers at rare. Not all two-color combinations are present and no more than one of any two-color combination shows up."
Okay, with Teyo confirmed as a white Uncommon, the biggest question is what color(s) the Shepherd lady is. Vivien's Arkbow at rare points to her being rare, so that meshes. My updated guess:
Missing rares: Ugin (C), Vivien (G), Sarkhan (R), Dovin (U).
Alternatively, we could see either Dovin or Narset as mono-U uncommon with the other being UW, and either Tamiyo or The Shepherd being the missing rare. Possibly with the Shepherd as W?
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I think that you are right in that one of those three isn’t an uncommon hybrid. My thoughts point me towards Narset being one the mono-Blue uncommon along with The Shepherd, and Dovin taking the UW space. That moves Tamiyo up to rare, where I agree with you, but there is no precedent set for her being Simic, and I can’t imagine Sarkhan being Boros (as white is the one color he’s never been). For this reason I believe that Tamiyo will be mono-Blue (so sad, I know) and Sarkhan mono-red to make two walkers of each of the Temur colors, effectively balancing out the Liliana and Gideon mono-Orzhov slots in mythic.
First:
Gideon at mythic; Every single PW respectes the template 1 passive + 1 loyal ability if uncommon, 2 if rare or 3 if mythic. The only myhtic confirmed are Liliana and Tezzeret (the latter being BaB is considered myhtic by default) but Gideon is just speculated, thus as rare would make more sense.
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Ugin is OP, he's on par with Bolas he must be Mythic, The colorless spot in the rare PWs maro mentioned is covered by Karn, so why can t Ugin be Mythic? Beside 3 Myhitc Pws in a pw mechanic set is really crappy
Nope, Gideon is confirmed mythic and has been since before his card got leaked. He has two static abilities (one that makes him the creature and the other that gives him permo-indestructible) and two loyalty abilities, meaning he has four abilities total. As a mythic does. MaRo has stated many times this is the case and he is mythic because he’s probably going to die this set.
Second:
Ugin IS RARE. Again, confirmed by MaRo multiple times, a major reasoning behind him being rare is because a colorless mythic throws off the already tenuous color balance we had. In addition, Ugin is confirmed to not be playing as major of a part in the story as Gideon, and MaRo also said that rarity DOES NOT CONVEY POWER LEVEL. And 3 mythic planeswalkers is actually what we are used to, considering we’ve been getting 3 per large set since Theros basically.
Gideon is not going to die this set. He still needs to get back to Theros to help Ajani rescue Elspeth from the underworld, and to give the Gods a piece of his mind. If he has to die then, fine, but at least let him get back home first. Though I won't be happy if they kill him off since he's one of my favorite characters, and I'd like to see him play a role in future sets such as Western (c'mon, Gideon the Iron Sheriff!) and New Alara (would be great for him and Elspeth to return to Bant after Theros).
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Gideon is not going to die this set. He still needs to get back to Theros to help Ajani rescue Elspeth from the underworld, and to give the Gods a piece of his mind. If he has to die then, fine, but at least let him get back home first. Though I won't be happy if they kill him off since he's one of my favorite characters, and I'd like to see him play a role in future sets such as Western (c'mon, Gideon the Iron Sheriff!) and New Alara (would be great for him and Elspeth to return to Bant after Theros).
I disagree, his storyline is over. He really doesn't have any reason to go back to Theros. He will die in WAR, probably by saving someone else. His story was over when he regained his faith is Gods when speaking to Oketra in Amonkhet. His only ties to Theros is that he was born there. Someone close to Chandra has to die for her comic to make sense, and the only two that make sense from a storyline perspective is Beefslab and Jaya. And it is quite likely both will bite it in WAR because they are both expendable.
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I disagree, his storyline is over. He really doesn't have any reason to go back to Theros. He will die in WAR, probably by saving someone else. His story was over when he regained his faith is Gods when speaking to Oketra in Amonkhet. His only ties to Theros is that he was born there. Someone close to Chandra has to die for her comic to make sense, and the only two that make sense from a storyline perspective is Beefslab and Jaya. And it is quite likely both will bite it in WAR because they are both expendable.
I counter-disagree. Gideon's whole story arc started with Theros gods, Heliod and Erebos in particular, toying with the lives of him and his friends, as they do all mortals. His current story arc isn't over til he goes back and kicks their divine asses. Besides, Gideon's going to help destroy Bolas with the Blackblade. Kinda hard to do that if he's dead. And having some other planeswalker do it is a betrayal of anticipation. Gideon needs to kill Bolas with the Blackblade to make up for his defeat on Amonkhet. After all the work they went through to get the Blackblade on Dominaria, anything else will be unsatisfactory.
And even if Gideon's current story arc is over, that doesn't mean there aren't others. Characters are allowed to have more than one story arc. They can start Gideon on a new path once he breaks the chains of his past. He helps destroy Ulamog and Kozilek, he helps destroy Bolas, he helps destroy Heliod and Erebos, he's free to take on other bad guys like Ob Nixilis (a personal enemy of Gatewatch), Tezzeret, and the Phyrexians.
Jaya biting it makes sense; she's old, she's had her fun. And she's found a worthy successor in Chandra. She probably wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and what better scenario than helping kick Bolas's ass? Liliana also may or may not die, though that leaves the Chain Veil and Raven Man story arcs unresolved, so I suspect Ajani or someone else will find a workaround that spares Liliana from her contract.
And to hell with your claim of them being "expendable". Eternals are expendable. Gideon and Jaya are both major story characters with a lot of popularity, and at least one of whom still has a lot of story potential left. Calling them expendable is a disservice to their fans.
Anyway, who dies and who doesn't isn't part of this topic.
Yes, as has been confirmed by Maro himself, Gideon is one of the three mythics along with Liliana and Bolas, as they are the three most major characters in WAR.
The planeswalkers left to be revealed color wise are Dovin, Kasmina, Narset, Sarkhan, and Tamiyo. Tricolor PWs other than Bolas are confirmed out, and we also know color pairs aren't getting more than one uncommon PW or more than one rare PW each. Dovin or Kasmina are the most likely to be the (W/U) PW, while the other will be a monoblue uncommon or rare as Teferi already has the rare WU spot. Narset and Tamiyo will most likely be monoblue, and one or both will be uncommon. Ashiok is guaranteed to be the (U/B) PW and Saheeli is guaranteed to be the (U/R). Jaya will be monored and Sarkhan likely will too. We still need another uncommon red PW which will likely be Sarkhan, while Jaya will join her protege Chandra among the rares.
Now that we've seen more PWs, I need to update my list, which was incorrect in a few places:
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I disagree, his storyline is over. He really doesn't have any reason to go back to Theros. He will die in WAR, probably by saving someone else. His story was over when he regained his faith is Gods when speaking to Oketra in Amonkhet. His only ties to Theros is that he was born there. Someone close to Chandra has to die for her comic to make sense, and the only two that make sense from a storyline perspective is Beefslab and Jaya. And it is quite likely both will bite it in WAR because they are both expendable.
I counter-disagree. Gideon's whole story arc started with Theros gods, Heliod and Erebos in particular, toying with the lives of him and his friends, as they do all mortals. His current story arc isn't over til he goes back and kicks their divine asses. Besides, Gideon's going to help destroy Bolas with the Blackblade. Kinda hard to do that if he's dead. And having some other planeswalker do it is a betrayal of anticipation. Gideon needs to kill Bolas with the Blackblade to make up for his defeat on Amonkhet. After all the work they went through to get the Blackblade on Dominaria, anything else will be unsatisfactory.
And even if Gideon's current story arc is over, that doesn't mean there aren't others. Characters are allowed to have more than one story arc. They can start Gideon on a new path once he breaks the chains of his past. He helps destroy Ulamog and Kozilek, he helps destroy Bolas, he helps destroy Heliod and Erebos, he's free to take on other bad guys like Ob Nixilis (a personal enemy of Gatewatch), Tezzeret, and the Phyrexians.
Jaya biting it makes sense; she's old, she's had her fun. And she's found a worthy successor in Chandra. She probably wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and what better scenario than helping kick Bolas's ass? Liliana also may or may not die, though that leaves the Chain Veil and Raven Man story arcs unresolved, so I suspect Ajani or someone else will find a workaround that spares Liliana from her contract.
And to hell with your claim of them being "expendable". Eternals are expendable. Gideon and Jaya are both major story characters with a lot of popularity, and at least one of whom still has a lot of story potential left. Calling them expendable is a disservice to their fans.
No, Gideon and his friends got FUBAR'ed due to his Hubris, the gods really had nothing to do with it other than Erebos summoning the titan. Kyhteon was only tasked with slaying the Titan, something he did, then when Erebos showed up to claim the remains, Kytheon's Hubris lead him to throw Heliod's spear at Erebos, which the god deflected easily and returned to sender. Had Kytheon only done exactly what he was tasked to do, and nothing else, his friends would not have died. That was the whole point of it. He had lost faith in the gods not due to any failing of them, but due to a failing in himself, something he only overcame when he talked to Oketra. The gods were never the issue, Gideon was. This is also why he is so obsessed with protecting others, he failed to protect his friends and due to his hubris got them killed. He regained his faith, his story is over, he is the most expendable member of the Gatewatch. Of the original Gatewatch (if we include Nissa), he is still the most expendable, because we *know* that Nissa returns to Amonkhet after Bolas leaves the plane thanks to her Hour of Devastation planeswalker deck which has cards that reference her being there *after* the God Pharaoh has left the plane, and we know he only left it when he invades Ravnica. There are basically only two planeswalkers whose deaths that can lead to Chandra being in mourning when her comic starts: Gideon and Jaya, and there is a 50/50 shot that either of them dies, it is possible that both do, because they are the most expendable among the "heroes". Jaya has fulfilled her story purpose, and Gideon's story is done.
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No, Gideon and his friends got FUBAR'ed due to his Hubris, the gods really had nothing to do with it other than Erebos summoning the titan. Kyhteon was only tasked with slaying the Titan, something he did, then when Erebos showed up to claim the remains, Kytheon's Hubris lead him to throw Heliod's spear at Erebos, which the god deflected easily and returned to sender. Had Kytheon only done exactly what he was tasked to do, and nothing else, his friends would not have died. That was the whole point of it. He had lost faith in the gods not due to any failing of them, but due to a failing in himself, something he only overcame when he talked to Oketra. The gods were never the issue, Gideon was. This is also why he is so obsessed with protecting others, he failed to protect his friends and due to his hubris got them killed. He regained his faith, his story is over, he is the most expendable member of the Gatewatch. Of the original Gatewatch (if we include Nissa), he is still the most expendable, because we *know* that Nissa returns to Amonkhet after Bolas leaves the plane thanks to her Hour of Devastation planeswalker deck which has cards that reference her being there *after* the God Pharaoh has left the plane, and we know he only left it when he invades Ravnica. There are basically only two planeswalkers whose deaths that can lead to Chandra being in mourning when her comic starts: Gideon and Jaya, and there is a 50/50 shot that either of them dies, it is possible that both do, because they are the most expendable among the "heroes". Jaya has fulfilled her story purpose, and Gideon's story is done.
Except that Erebos likely showed up to kill Kytheon and his friends anyway since they killed his Titan. Heliod had to have known Erebos wasn't going to take the loss of his Titan sitting down. He knew he was sending at least one mortal to his death. Maybe Heliod knew that Kytheon was a planeswalker and sought to remove him while also eliminating a threat to his followers? It wouldn't be the only time he's stabbed his champion in the back (or chest).
And Gideon has plenty of reason to help Ajani rescue Elspeth simply because he's a good-natured, heroic guy. Now that he's regained his faith, he has all the more reason to stick around and keep being the hero that he is. And considering he's the only one who can shrug off most attacks and now has the Blackblade, I'd argue he's the most valuable member of Gatewatch. He's certainly good at getting **** done.
Jaya's death makes sense for the story; she only has so much longer to live, the time has come for her to pass the torch to her protege. Chandra only needs one death to grieve. Gideon still has a lot of story potential, if not as a lead, then as a supporting hero. Heck, he might become a mentor to a new hero, like Teyo.
My point being, Gideon's rarity in this set is determined only by his relevancy to the story, not the potential for death. Gideon's one of the three mythics because he's one of WAR's three major characters alongside Liliana and Bolas. If anyone's going to get a dramatic death, it's Liliana, as evidenced by the trailer. Now, I suggest we drop the subject of who's going to die in WAR, this isn't the topic for that. This topic is about which planeswalkers are which colors and at which rarity, and we already know Gideon is a monowhite mythic rare, and why. (And for what it is worth, I apologize for getting a little hot under the collar earlier.)
The planeswalkers that still have some uncertain colors and/or rarities are:
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Bolas (UBR), Gideon (W), and Liliana (G) are at Mythic
Ugin (C, not spoiled but known to be rare), Karn (C), Jace (U), Nissa (G), Chandra (R), Domri (GR), Teferi (UW), Ral (UR), Ajani (GW), Sorin (BW) are at at Rare.
Ob Nixilis (B), Tibalt (R), Arlinn (G), and Vraska (GB) at uncommon.
We know that there are 13 rares and 20 uncommons, with the uncommons being split with 2 of each monocolor and 1 hybrid for each color pair. Looking at our remaining walkers, we get the following (likely) breakdown of uncommon walkers:
W: Shepherd Lady, Hat Lady
U: Tamiyo, Teyo
B: Ob, Daviriel
R: Tibalt, Sarkhan, Jaya
G: Arlinn, Vivien, Jianng
WU: Narset, Dovin
UB: Ashiok
BR: Angrath
RG: Samut
GW: Huatli
WB: Kaya
BG: Vraska
GU: Kiora
UR: Saheeli
RW: Nahiri
There are obviously a few unknowns here, including the colors of our four new Planeswalkers. 3 of these cards also need to be pushed up to Rare, likely one of the red Walkers, one of the green Walkers, and one of Dovin/Narset. Alternatively, Dovin or Narset could be monocolored (likely Blue, though Dovin could be W) and one of the unknown walkers could pushed up to rare or pushed into another slot to push someone else to rare.
My current best guess is that Dovin, Sarkhan, and Vivien will be rare, and all three will be monocolored. This would have U, G, and R each having 2 rare planeswalkers, to balance out the fact that White and Black get a Mythic planeswalker.
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Here's what I came up with for PWs by rarity:
W Hat Lady
U Narset
U Tamiyo
B Davriel
B Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
R Sarkhan
R Tibalt, Rakish Instigator
G Arlinn, Voice of the Pack
G Yanggu
(W/U) Ginger Lady
(U/B) Ashiok
(B/R) Angrath
(R/G) Samut
(G/W) Vivien
(W/B) Kaya
(U/R) Saheeli
(B/G) Vraska, Swarm's Eminence
(R/W) Huatli
(G/U) Kiora
C Karn, the Great Creator, Ugin
U Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
R Chandra, Fire Artisan, Jaya
G Nissa, Who Shakes the World
WU Dovin
WU Teferi, Time Raveler
RG Domri, Anarch of Bolas
GW Ajani, the Greathearted
WB Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
UR Ral, Storm Conduit
RW Nahiri
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I mean is possible that they cut the mono white and mono black rare planeswalker slot because of the mythic planeswalker. I find it strange that Azorius would get more planeswalker than the other color combination. Dovin could be uncommon and Ginger Lady maybe some other color combination. We still doesn't know who she is. Maybe she is 3 colored and rare. For me she seems to be more white than Hat Lady but well everything is possible.
Edit: A shame that Teyo will be an unexciting planeswalker card. The character and magical tool-set was interesting and promising. But with just 1 ability and a passive I don't believe they can make this justice. The same goes for Davriel.
Edit2: Found this statements from Maro:
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Also since it's Davriel's debut I fully expect him to at least be the UB Rare with Ashiok taking the UB Uncommon slot.
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Gideon is in fact mythic. He has 2 passive and 2 active ability slots. In addition his passive is super strong. Like having one of his active abilities defaultly online. 3 Mana 4/4 indestructible, undamageable unit that give another unit vigilance, indestructible and lifelink.
There are multiple debuts Teyo, Ginger Woman, Hat Lady and Davriel.
We know that the uncommons will have 2 cycles -> 10 color pairs and 5x2 Mono colored planeswalker. This was confirmed by maro. There aren't many options for 2 mono colored white planeswalkers. There is Teyo, Ajani and Gideon. Gideon is already mythic and Ajani ist Selesnya. At least one of the new planeswalkers need to be white.
My mistake on Teyo. I assumed he was U, but you are right that W makes more sense. Shepherd lady looks UW but she absolutely 100% cannot be unless both Narset and Dovin are mono-colored, because one of the pieces of information we DO know is that there are no more than one walker of any color pair at rare (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183854612958/im-trying-to-make-sense-of-how-the-colors-are), but we do know that there will be multiple walkers of at least one mono-colored at rare (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183854925728/does-any-color-have-multiple-rare-mono-color). We also know there are no tricolor walkers besides Bolas. With Dovin and Narset competing over the uncommon UW slot and Teferi already taking the rare slot, it seems extremely unlikely that any of the new walkers are UW.
These seem like reasonable guesses though I don't think Nahiri is going to warrant a Rare slot. I think we're more likely to see Nahiri at RW uncommon, with Huatli as the G/W and Vivien as mono-green at Rare.
If only one rare mono-colored is doubled up, it's almost certainly Green to offset the mythics, which have UBRW each show up once and B show up twice, with no Green.
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If I count correctly:
3 Back (2 Mythic and 1 rare)
4 Blue (1 Mythic and 3 rare)
4 Green (4 rare)
5 Red (1 Mythic 4 rare)
5 White (1 Mythic 4 rare)
Maybe changing Sarkhan from mono Red to Rakdos to balance it a little more.
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Teyo is W (this was my mistake) and at rare
Narset is U
Dovin is UW
Since making this post, we've had the following confirmed:
"Hat Lady" = Wanderer at W
Kaya unc WB
Angrath unc BR
Kiora unc GU
Samut unc RG
Additionally the leaked sheet's been confirmed so the known rares are locked in.
So the space for unknowns shrinks further. We'll likely be able to pinpoint all of the remaining slots by tomorrow at the latest.
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Mono-color:
White: The Wanderer/Teyo Verada
Blue: Tamiyo/New Girl
Black: Ob Nixilis/Davriel Cane
Red: Tibalt/Jaya
Green: Arlinn/Jiang Yanggu
Hybrid:
Azorius: Narset
Dimir: Ashiok
Rakdos: Angrath
Gruul: Samut
Selesnya: Huatli
Orzhov: Kaya
Izzet: Saheeli
Golgari: Vraska
Boros: Nahiri
Simic: Kiora
Rare
Jace (Blue)
Chandra (Red)
Nissa (Green)
Vivien Reid (Green)
Dovin (White/Blue)
Teferi (White/Blue)
Sorin (White/Black)
Ajani (White/Green)
Ral (Blue/Red)
Domri (Red/Green)
Karn (Colorless)
Ugin (Colorless)
Sarkhan (Red/Green)
Mythic Rare
Liliana (Black)
Gideon (White)
Nicol Bolas (Blue/Black/Red)
Color Balance
W: 6 (UC) + 4 (R) + 1 (M) = 11
Blue: 6 (UC) + 4 (R) + 1 (M) = 11
Black: 6 (UC) + 1 (R) + 2 (M) = 9
Red: 6 (UC) + 4 (R) + 1 (M) = 11
Green: 6 (UC) + 5 (R) + 0 (M) = 11
I think it’s risky for Wizards to dump so much blue and white aligned planeswalker support in the meta right now. It seems like not long ago that they rebalanced standard away from the Teferi Control takeover. I also can’t imagine them putting Teyo in a rare spot. It seems likely he will be a protagonist of the next block and since Dovin’s arc is finishing up its makes much more sense for him to round out the rare white spot.
This is a good and reasonable guess, but MaRo has confirmed there will be no more than on walker for any given color pair at rare, so we will not see Dovin as as UW rare walker with Teferi confirmed for that slot.
One of Dovin or Narset has to be monocolored, and either that monocolored walker will be rare, or it pushes one of Teyo, the Shepherd Girl, or Tamiyo to rare.
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Can you send the link of when MaRo said that? Also I can’t imagine Dovin being mono-Blue or white, but there also hasn’t been a precedent set of Narset being mono-Blue or White either? Jeskai as a wedge is blue focused, yes? So maybe Narset could be mono-Blue? But also, if there isn’t a repeat color combo then where does Sarkhan fit in? Mono-red would again imbalance the little color balance we have between mythic and rare. If he hadn’t switched to Temur colors I would assume he would go to Rakdos but that seems impossible now. And finally, Tamiyo will definitely not be rare, and I can’t imsgine scepter girl who we don’t even know the name of being rare either, so that would leave Teyo. If Teyo is then mono-White rare we again unbalance the current black-shafted color spread.
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http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183854612958/im-trying-to-make-sense-of-how-the-colors-are
"There are colorless, monocolor, and two-color planeswalkers at rare. Not all two-color combinations are present and no more than one of any two-color combination shows up."
Where did you find this? I haven't seen this anywhere else yet.
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It was Player One’s exclusive preview, + Teyo’s signature spell thingy (that all the walkers are getting)
Here’s the link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.player.one/mtg-planeswalker-reveal-teyo-verada-joins-war-spark-125075?amp=1
W: Teyo, The Wanderer
U: Tamiyo, "The Shepherd"
B: Ob, Davriel
R: Tibalt, Jaya
G: Arlinn, Jiang
WU: Narset
UB: Ashiok
BR: Angrath
RG: Samut
GW: Huatli
WB: Kaya
BG: Vraska
GU: Kiora
UR: Saheeli
RW: Nahiri
Missing rares: Ugin (C), Vivien (G), Sarkhan (R), Dovin (U).
Alternatively, we could see either Dovin or Narset as mono-U uncommon with the other being UW, and either Tamiyo or The Shepherd being the missing rare. Possibly with the Shepherd as W?
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My guesses are:
Mythics known
Rares:
Colorless: Karn, Ugin
U: Jace
R: Chandra
G: Nissa, Vivien
WU: Teferi
RG: Domri
GW: Ajani
WB: Sorin
GU: Tamiyo
UR: Ral
RW: Sarkhan
Uncommon:
W: Teyo, The Wanderer
U: "The Shepherd", Narset
B: Davriel Cane, Ob Nixilis
R: Jaya, Tibalt
G: Arlinn, Jiang
WU: Dovin Baan
UB: Ashiok
BR: Angrath
RG: Samut
GW: Huatli
WB: Kaya
BG: Vraska
GU: Kiora
UR: Saheeli
RW: Nahiri
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I think that you are right in that one of those three isn’t an uncommon hybrid. My thoughts point me towards Narset being one the mono-Blue uncommon along with The Shepherd, and Dovin taking the UW space. That moves Tamiyo up to rare, where I agree with you, but there is no precedent set for her being Simic, and I can’t imagine Sarkhan being Boros (as white is the one color he’s never been). For this reason I believe that Tamiyo will be mono-Blue (so sad, I know) and Sarkhan mono-red to make two walkers of each of the Temur colors, effectively balancing out the Liliana and Gideon mono-Orzhov slots in mythic.
First:
Gideon at mythic; Every single PW respectes the template 1 passive + 1 loyal ability if uncommon, 2 if rare or 3 if mythic. The only myhtic confirmed are Liliana and Tezzeret (the latter being BaB is considered myhtic by default) but Gideon is just speculated, thus as rare would make more sense.
Second:
Ugin is OP, he's on par with Bolas he must be Mythic, The colorless spot in the rare PWs maro mentioned is covered by Karn, so why can t Ugin be Mythic? Beside 3 Myhitc Pws in a pw mechanic set is really crappy
Nope, Gideon is confirmed mythic and has been since before his card got leaked. He has two static abilities (one that makes him the creature and the other that gives him permo-indestructible) and two loyalty abilities, meaning he has four abilities total. As a mythic does. MaRo has stated many times this is the case and he is mythic because he’s probably going to die this set.
Second:
Ugin IS RARE. Again, confirmed by MaRo multiple times, a major reasoning behind him being rare is because a colorless mythic throws off the already tenuous color balance we had. In addition, Ugin is confirmed to not be playing as major of a part in the story as Gideon, and MaRo also said that rarity DOES NOT CONVEY POWER LEVEL. And 3 mythic planeswalkers is actually what we are used to, considering we’ve been getting 3 per large set since Theros basically.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I disagree, his storyline is over. He really doesn't have any reason to go back to Theros. He will die in WAR, probably by saving someone else. His story was over when he regained his faith is Gods when speaking to Oketra in Amonkhet. His only ties to Theros is that he was born there. Someone close to Chandra has to die for her comic to make sense, and the only two that make sense from a storyline perspective is Beefslab and Jaya. And it is quite likely both will bite it in WAR because they are both expendable.
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I counter-disagree. Gideon's whole story arc started with Theros gods, Heliod and Erebos in particular, toying with the lives of him and his friends, as they do all mortals. His current story arc isn't over til he goes back and kicks their divine asses. Besides, Gideon's going to help destroy Bolas with the Blackblade. Kinda hard to do that if he's dead. And having some other planeswalker do it is a betrayal of anticipation. Gideon needs to kill Bolas with the Blackblade to make up for his defeat on Amonkhet. After all the work they went through to get the Blackblade on Dominaria, anything else will be unsatisfactory.
And even if Gideon's current story arc is over, that doesn't mean there aren't others. Characters are allowed to have more than one story arc. They can start Gideon on a new path once he breaks the chains of his past. He helps destroy Ulamog and Kozilek, he helps destroy Bolas, he helps destroy Heliod and Erebos, he's free to take on other bad guys like Ob Nixilis (a personal enemy of Gatewatch), Tezzeret, and the Phyrexians.
Jaya biting it makes sense; she's old, she's had her fun. And she's found a worthy successor in Chandra. She probably wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and what better scenario than helping kick Bolas's ass? Liliana also may or may not die, though that leaves the Chain Veil and Raven Man story arcs unresolved, so I suspect Ajani or someone else will find a workaround that spares Liliana from her contract.
And to hell with your claim of them being "expendable". Eternals are expendable. Gideon and Jaya are both major story characters with a lot of popularity, and at least one of whom still has a lot of story potential left. Calling them expendable is a disservice to their fans.
Anyway, who dies and who doesn't isn't part of this topic.
Yes, as has been confirmed by Maro himself, Gideon is one of the three mythics along with Liliana and Bolas, as they are the three most major characters in WAR.
The planeswalkers left to be revealed color wise are Dovin, Kasmina, Narset, Sarkhan, and Tamiyo. Tricolor PWs other than Bolas are confirmed out, and we also know color pairs aren't getting more than one uncommon PW or more than one rare PW each. Dovin or Kasmina are the most likely to be the (W/U) PW, while the other will be a monoblue uncommon or rare as Teferi already has the rare WU spot. Narset and Tamiyo will most likely be monoblue, and one or both will be uncommon. Ashiok is guaranteed to be the (U/B) PW and Saheeli is guaranteed to be the (U/R). Jaya will be monored and Sarkhan likely will too. We still need another uncommon red PW which will likely be Sarkhan, while Jaya will join her protege Chandra among the rares.
Now that we've seen more PWs, I need to update my list, which was incorrect in a few places:
W The Wanderer
U Kasmina
U Narset
B Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
B Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
R Sarkhan
R Tibalt, Rakish Instigator
G Arlinn, Voice of the Pack
G Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter
(W/U) Dovin
(U/B) Ashiok
(B/R) Angrath, Captain of Chaos
(R/G) Samut, Tyrant Smasher
(G/W) Huatli
(W/B) Kaya, Bane of the Dead
(U/R) Saheeli
(B/G) Vraska, Swarm's Eminence
(R/W) Nahiri, Storm of Stone
(G/U) Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
C Ugin
U Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
U Tamiyo
R Chandra, Fire Artisan
R Jaya
G Nissa, Who Shakes the World
G Vivien, Champion of the Wilds
WU Teferi, Time Raveler
RG Domri, Anarch of Bolas
GW Ajani, the Greathearted
WB Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
UR Ral, Storm Conduit
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
No, Gideon and his friends got FUBAR'ed due to his Hubris, the gods really had nothing to do with it other than Erebos summoning the titan. Kyhteon was only tasked with slaying the Titan, something he did, then when Erebos showed up to claim the remains, Kytheon's Hubris lead him to throw Heliod's spear at Erebos, which the god deflected easily and returned to sender. Had Kytheon only done exactly what he was tasked to do, and nothing else, his friends would not have died. That was the whole point of it. He had lost faith in the gods not due to any failing of them, but due to a failing in himself, something he only overcame when he talked to Oketra. The gods were never the issue, Gideon was. This is also why he is so obsessed with protecting others, he failed to protect his friends and due to his hubris got them killed. He regained his faith, his story is over, he is the most expendable member of the Gatewatch. Of the original Gatewatch (if we include Nissa), he is still the most expendable, because we *know* that Nissa returns to Amonkhet after Bolas leaves the plane thanks to her Hour of Devastation planeswalker deck which has cards that reference her being there *after* the God Pharaoh has left the plane, and we know he only left it when he invades Ravnica. There are basically only two planeswalkers whose deaths that can lead to Chandra being in mourning when her comic starts: Gideon and Jaya, and there is a 50/50 shot that either of them dies, it is possible that both do, because they are the most expendable among the "heroes". Jaya has fulfilled her story purpose, and Gideon's story is done.
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Except that Erebos likely showed up to kill Kytheon and his friends anyway since they killed his Titan. Heliod had to have known Erebos wasn't going to take the loss of his Titan sitting down. He knew he was sending at least one mortal to his death. Maybe Heliod knew that Kytheon was a planeswalker and sought to remove him while also eliminating a threat to his followers? It wouldn't be the only time he's stabbed his champion in the back (or chest).
And Gideon has plenty of reason to help Ajani rescue Elspeth simply because he's a good-natured, heroic guy. Now that he's regained his faith, he has all the more reason to stick around and keep being the hero that he is. And considering he's the only one who can shrug off most attacks and now has the Blackblade, I'd argue he's the most valuable member of Gatewatch. He's certainly good at getting **** done.
Jaya's death makes sense for the story; she only has so much longer to live, the time has come for her to pass the torch to her protege. Chandra only needs one death to grieve. Gideon still has a lot of story potential, if not as a lead, then as a supporting hero. Heck, he might become a mentor to a new hero, like Teyo.
My point being, Gideon's rarity in this set is determined only by his relevancy to the story, not the potential for death. Gideon's one of the three mythics because he's one of WAR's three major characters alongside Liliana and Bolas. If anyone's going to get a dramatic death, it's Liliana, as evidenced by the trailer. Now, I suggest we drop the subject of who's going to die in WAR, this isn't the topic for that. This topic is about which planeswalkers are which colors and at which rarity, and we already know Gideon is a monowhite mythic rare, and why. (And for what it is worth, I apologize for getting a little hot under the collar earlier.)
The planeswalkers that still have some uncertain colors and/or rarities are:
Dovin
Jaya
Kasmina
Narset
Sarkhan
Tamiyo
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.