I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
I agree that they will be exclusively Sorceries - the definition of Invocation is not that relevant - look at the definition of expedition.
Lands makes sense for expeditions, as they are places you visit.
Invocations can be literally anything that isn't an artifact or planeswalker.
Just look on mtg cards that include invocate/invocation/invoker etc. they are mostly sorcery/instant, and few enchantments. Ockham's razor says HI!
Invocations doesn't sound like playing a creature spells at all. For creature theme it would need to sound like: Amonkhet Terrors or Amonkhet Beasts, (not Amonkhet Invocations).
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I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
I agree that they will be exclusively Sorceries - the definition of Invocation is not that relevant - look at the definition of expedition.
Lands makes sense for expeditions, as they are places you visit.
Invocations can be literally anything that isn't an artifact or planeswalker.
Just look on mtg cards that include invocate/invocation/invoker etc. they are mostly sorcery/instant, and few enchantments. Ockham's razor says HI!
Invocations doesn't sound like playing a creature spells at all. For creature theme it would need to sound like: Amonkhet Terrors or Amonkhet Beasts, (not Amonkhet Invocations).
Occams razor doesn't make a lick of sense in this instance. The Expeditions didn't include any cards with the word "Expedition" in their names after all. And none of the Kaladesh inventions had "invention" in their name either. Therefor assuming that the Amonkhet Invocations include any actual cards with the word "invocation" doesn't make sense. And reading up on the definition of Invocation, it includes, but is not limited to: Calling upon a deity/spirit/guardian for aid/protection, prayer as part of a ceremony, a plea for guidance from a muse, conjuring something, and referencing a document or concept to justify something.
Thus, it can be literally anything short of artifacts or planeswalkers.
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I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
That's the proper definition.
They are more likely to follow the DnD definition, IMO
(Invocation/Evocation is the school of magic involved with magic missiles, death spells, etc).
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
That's the proper definition.
They are more likely to follow the DnD definition, IMO
(Invocation/Evocation is the school of magic involved with magic missiles, death spells, etc).
Ehr, no.
Invocation [Noun]:
the act of invoking or calling upon a deity, spirit, etc., for aid, protection, inspiration, or the like; supplication.
any petitioning or supplication for help or aid.
a form of prayer invoking God's presence, especially one said at the beginning of a religious service or public ceremony.
an entreaty for aid and guidance from a Muse, deity, etc., at the beginning of an epic or epiclike poem.
the act of calling upon a spirit by incantation.
the magic formula used to conjure up a spirit; incantation.
the act of calling upon or referring to something, as a concept or document, for support and justification in a particular circumstance.
the enforcing or use of a legal or moral precept or right.
That is the proper definition of Invocation.
As I said, it can be literally anything short of artifacts and planeswalkers.
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I know this isn't the LITERAL definition, but the word invocation to me conjures up images big splashy spells/effects.
Board wipes, massive card draw, extra turns, X spells stuff like that. I would love to see stuff like Wrath of God-Pharaoh, Temporal Manipulation, Tooth and Nail and Ravages of War
I will be displeased if it's another CARD TYPE themed series. Three in a row is just plain misleading.
Since embalm makes tokens, I'll hazard a guess and say Invocations is about token producers.
That was my initial thought as well. We will find out later today when the Master Pieces start to get spoiled, and tomorrow where the entire list (sans the five cards from Amonkhet) is revealed.
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I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
That's the proper definition.
They are more likely to follow the DnD definition, IMO
(Invocation/Evocation is the school of magic involved with magic missiles, death spells, etc).
Ehr, no.
Invocation [Noun]:
the act of invoking or calling upon a deity, spirit, etc., for aid, protection, inspiration, or the like; supplication.
any petitioning or supplication for help or aid.
a form of prayer invoking God's presence, especially one said at the beginning of a religious service or public ceremony.
an entreaty for aid and guidance from a Muse, deity, etc., at the beginning of an epic or epiclike poem.
the act of calling upon a spirit by incantation.
the magic formula used to conjure up a spirit; incantation.
the act of calling upon or referring to something, as a concept or document, for support and justification in a particular circumstance.
the enforcing or use of a legal or moral precept or right.
That is the proper definition of Invocation.
As I said, it can be literally anything short of artifacts and planeswalkers.
Did you even read the first line of my reply before snapping into argument mode?
Apparently not.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I expect these will be Instant and Sorcery only,
possibly even Sorcery only.
As such, I expect multiple Wrath and Time Walk cards.
I suggest you look up the definition and synonyms of Invocation.
That's the proper definition.
They are more likely to follow the DnD definition, IMO
(Invocation/Evocation is the school of magic involved with magic missiles, death spells, etc).
Ehr, no.
Invocation [Noun]:
the act of invoking or calling upon a deity, spirit, etc., for aid, protection, inspiration, or the like; supplication.
any petitioning or supplication for help or aid.
a form of prayer invoking God's presence, especially one said at the beginning of a religious service or public ceremony.
an entreaty for aid and guidance from a Muse, deity, etc., at the beginning of an epic or epiclike poem.
the act of calling upon a spirit by incantation.
the magic formula used to conjure up a spirit; incantation.
the act of calling upon or referring to something, as a concept or document, for support and justification in a particular circumstance.
the enforcing or use of a legal or moral precept or right.
That is the proper definition of Invocation.
As I said, it can be literally anything short of artifacts and planeswalkers.
Did you even read the first line of my reply before snapping into argument mode?
Apparently not.
I did, and I proved that your argument was incorrect by listing the exact definitions of the word Invocation.
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Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
I know what he is saying, I simply disagree.
Edit: The reason for my disagreement is quite simple actually, sources at WotC, such as MaRo have stressed that Masterpieces are not limited to one card type, it's just how it worked out for BFZ and Kaladesh blocks, but it isn't the standard.
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Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
Exactly.
Krishnath is the resident contrarian of the Speculation subforums.
Despite being wrong *countless* times,
he still likes to act with 100% confidence like he knows exactly what WotC will do.
He would probably get along well with our new prez
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
I know what he is saying, I simply disagree.
Edit: The reason for my disagreement is quite simple actually, sources at WotC, such as MaRo have stressed that Masterpieces are not limited to one card type, it's just how it worked out for BFZ and Kaladesh blocks, but it isn't the standard.
Ah, okay. Just that you were saying that you proved his argument invalid without providing any applicable reasons.
Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
Exactly.
Krishnath is the resident contrarian of the Speculation subforums.
Despite being wrong *countless* times,
he still likes to act with 100% confidence like he knows exactly what WotC will do.
He would probably get along well with our new prez
Doubtful, because unlike your Pumpkin in Chief, when I am proven wrong, I gladly admit it.
Also, unlike him, I am neither sexist, homophobic, or a Russian plant.
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Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
Exactly.
Krishnath is the resident contrarian of the Speculation subforums.
Despite being wrong *countless* times,
he still likes to act with 100% confidence like he knows exactly what WotC will do.
He would probably get along well with our new prez
Ah, okay. I'm fairly new to the forums, so sorry if I caused any trouble.
Umm, I think you misunderstand. You keep on restating the proper def for invocation, but empathogen is saying wotc will probably not use the proper definition. Instead they'll use it how it commonly appears in fantasy, as empathogen was saying.
Edit: switched two words around.
Exactly.
Krishnath is the resident contrarian of the Speculation subforums.
Despite being wrong *countless* times,
he still likes to act with 100% confidence like he knows exactly what WotC will do.
He would probably get along well with our new prez
Doubtful, because unlike your Pumpkin in Chief, when I am proven wrong, I gladly admit it.
Also, unlike him, I am neither sexist, homophobic, or a Russian plant.
Touché.
I probably should avoid bringing up 45 in an international forum, as he isn't going to prove anything worth proving.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Given that Invocations in Magic thus far are all either Sorceries, Instants, or Enchantments, I see no reason why I should expect them to be otherwise here.
Oh god... trolltown! I'm sure some of them would still be worth obscene amounts (Stangg Twin, anyone?)
While I'm sticking with my guess of Sorceries (and maybe Instants),
I have to admit there's a chance Krishnath is right,
and that "Invocations" could be a blanket term for several card types (including Planeswalkers).
They've already admitted some of the Masterpiece themes are less cohesive than others,
so that means we'll be seeing such a set in the next year or so.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Oh god... trolltown! I'm sure some of them would still be worth obscene amounts (Stangg Twin, anyone?)
While I'm sticking with my guess of Sorceries (and maybe Instants),
I have to admit there's a chance Krishnath is right,
and that "Invocations" could be a blanket term for several card types (including Planeswalkers).
They've already admitted some of the Masterpiece themes are less cohesive than others,
so that means we'll be seeing such a set in the next year or so.
I don't think it will be 'card type constrained' per se. It is important to recall that they could choose a theme that wasn't 'all Sorceries' and still end up with nothing but Sorceries on the list.
I fully expect the following:
The Decrees.
The Ultimatums.
At the very least. Something else that would fit but would go over like a lead balloon are the Epic spells from Saviors of Kamigawa. The Shoals would be better I think in card form but don't have an Invocation feel.
One very odd idea would be that they are all cards that reference Nicol Bolas in some way. Do we even have 35?
We have:
His original Legendary card.
His original PW.
(His expected new PW card.)
The 5 Gods, perhaps.
Dark Intimations
Gem of Becoming
Slave of Bolas
Augur of Bolas
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Disciple of Bolas
Conflux
Ugin(?)
Lands makes sense for expeditions, as they are places you visit.
Invocations can be literally anything that isn't an artifact or planeswalker.
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Just look on mtg cards that include invocate/invocation/invoker etc. they are mostly sorcery/instant, and few enchantments. Ockham's razor says HI!
Invocations doesn't sound like playing a creature spells at all. For creature theme it would need to sound like: Amonkhet Terrors or Amonkhet Beasts, (not Amonkhet Invocations).
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Occams razor doesn't make a lick of sense in this instance. The Expeditions didn't include any cards with the word "Expedition" in their names after all. And none of the Kaladesh inventions had "invention" in their name either. Therefor assuming that the Amonkhet Invocations include any actual cards with the word "invocation" doesn't make sense. And reading up on the definition of Invocation, it includes, but is not limited to: Calling upon a deity/spirit/guardian for aid/protection, prayer as part of a ceremony, a plea for guidance from a muse, conjuring something, and referencing a document or concept to justify something.
Thus, it can be literally anything short of artifacts or planeswalkers.
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That's the proper definition.
They are more likely to follow the DnD definition, IMO
(Invocation/Evocation is the school of magic involved with magic missiles, death spells, etc).
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EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Ehr, no.
Invocation [Noun]:
That is the proper definition of Invocation.
As I said, it can be literally anything short of artifacts and planeswalkers.
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Since embalm makes tokens, I'll hazard a guess and say Invocations is about token producers.
Board wipes, massive card draw, extra turns, X spells stuff like that. I would love to see stuff like Wrath of God-Pharaoh, Temporal Manipulation, Tooth and Nail and Ravages of War
BGGRock
Modern
BRGJund
BBGRock
That was my initial thought as well. We will find out later today when the Master Pieces start to get spoiled, and tomorrow where the entire list (sans the five cards from Amonkhet) is revealed.
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Rise of the Dark Realms
Tooth and Nail
Entreat the Angels
etc
Did you even read the first line of my reply before snapping into argument mode?
Apparently not.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I did, and I proved that your argument was incorrect by listing the exact definitions of the word Invocation.
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Edit: switched two words around.
I don't think you did.
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I know what he is saying, I simply disagree.
Edit: The reason for my disagreement is quite simple actually, sources at WotC, such as MaRo have stressed that Masterpieces are not limited to one card type, it's just how it worked out for BFZ and Kaladesh blocks, but it isn't the standard.
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Exactly.
Krishnath is the resident contrarian of the Speculation subforums.
Despite being wrong *countless* times,
he still likes to act with 100% confidence like he knows exactly what WotC will do.
He would probably get along well with our new prez
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Ah, okay. Just that you were saying that you proved his argument invalid without providing any applicable reasons.
Doubtful, because unlike your Pumpkin in Chief, when I am proven wrong, I gladly admit it.
Also, unlike him, I am neither sexist, homophobic, or a Russian plant.
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Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Ah, okay. I'm fairly new to the forums, so sorry if I caused any trouble.
Touché.
I probably should avoid bringing up 45 in an international forum, as he isn't going to prove anything worth proving.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Oh god... trolltown! I'm sure some of them would still be worth obscene amounts (Stangg Twin, anyone?)
While I'm sticking with my guess of Sorceries (and maybe Instants),
I have to admit there's a chance Krishnath is right,
and that "Invocations" could be a blanket term for several card types (including Planeswalkers).
They've already admitted some of the Masterpiece themes are less cohesive than others,
so that means we'll be seeing such a set in the next year or so.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I don't think it will be 'card type constrained' per se. It is important to recall that they could choose a theme that wasn't 'all Sorceries' and still end up with nothing but Sorceries on the list.
I fully expect the following:
The Decrees.
The Ultimatums.
At the very least. Something else that would fit but would go over like a lead balloon are the Epic spells from Saviors of Kamigawa. The Shoals would be better I think in card form but don't have an Invocation feel.
One very odd idea would be that they are all cards that reference Nicol Bolas in some way. Do we even have 35?
We have:
His original Legendary card.
His original PW.
(His expected new PW card.)
The 5 Gods, perhaps.
Dark Intimations
Gem of Becoming
Slave of Bolas
Augur of Bolas
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Disciple of Bolas
Conflux
Ugin(?)
I can't find many more here...
That would be hilarious.
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Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.