I'm going to to guess that these are all mono-colored, possibly artifact, gods. Looks like cat is white, bird is blue, crocodile is red, dog is black, and snake is green.
Been scrolling through Wikipedia to see if these have analogues in Egyptian mythology. So far I'm thinking dog is Anubis, bird is Thoth, crocodile is Sobek, snake is Apep, and cat is Bastet.
The snake's rod has a strong resemblance to the Collar of Avacyn. The jackal and the crocodile both have rods obviously inspired by Nicol Bolas, though, so maybe it is just supposed to be Bolas-like and is otherwise pure coincidence.
I'm going to to guess that these are all mono-colored, possibly artifact, gods. Looks like cat is white, bird is blue, crocodile is red, dog is black, and snake is green.
Been scrolling through Wikipedia to see if these have analogues in Egyptian mythology. So far I'm thinking dog is Anubis, bird is Thoth, crocodile is Sobek, snake is Apep, and cat is Bastet.
Apep is less likely than Wadjet or Hauhet as basis. Apep is a god, but by Western standards is functionally more demon. You don't worship Apep, you spit on him. (And also he's just a big snake, not a snake man.)
I doubt they are artifacts, they are still clearly organic under the clothing. I expect artifact gods would be more esper-like.
I don't expect a second card type for these, unless it's something new. I do expect them to have subtypes beyond 'God', as there should be room this time without 'enchantment'.
The art ratio is a little weird. Either it was commissioned with extra art on the sides for playmats, or these are cropped, much like planeswalkers are now, in order to make it harder for fakers to affect the secondary market with hype.
I agree. Think werewolves with this one imo. Red or green. And with the croc I think languish which was black. And snakes in magic have been historically mostly green so that's why I'm going with those colors. But also because it's a nicol bolas controlled plane they might be tri colored which would bring an interesting twist to everyone's speculations.
Yeah, they are clearly meant to represent the five colors and clearly five gods. With my (somewhat limited) knowledge of Egyptian mythology, here are my guesses?
First:W - Bastet, Goddess of Cats. Cats have always been associated with W and Bastet was sometimes the goddess of the sun and protection. Quite a easy W shoehorn, though one wonders why not good ol' Ra. Second:U - Thoth, God of Knowledge. He was always associated with the ibis and is the god of writing and books. Flying dude that loves knowledge and books? Easiest U shoehorn ever. Third:R - Quite a hard one. The most well-known Croc God is Sobek, God of the Nile. A destructive god, would fit well in R's philosophy. However, I don't think they would use poor ol' Sobek as a R god instead of the Top Dawg Set, God of Warriors, Desert and Chaos. Would be a huge missed opportunity as Set is very well-known and the easiest R God shoehorn in the history of ever. Maybe it's a mixed god, kinda like Heliod was Zeus + Helios? Fourth:B - Anubis, God of Judgment, sometimes known as God of the Dead even though that role was more usually attributed to Osiris. Of course, this one is female, so either he's gender-swapped or mixed with Nephthys, Goddess of Death (not of those that are already Dead, but the ones Dying - yeah, it's different, because Egyptians were weird). Either way, it's 90% likely it is the B one. I mean, Egyptian mythology without the most well-known god Anubis? Inconceivable. Fifth:G - Geb, God of Earth, oftentimes pictured as a serpent. Geb was actually more akin to a primordial deity, and father of Osiris and Set, but otherwise he fits the image of G god to a tee.
For the Crocodile creature subtype, there are the following currently in the game:
2 mono-
5 mono-
5 mono-
1 dual-colored in
For the Hound creature subtype, there are the following currently in the game:
14 mono -
1 mono-
11 mono-
19 mono -
17 mono-
3 dual-colored in
6 artifacts - X
The best guess is that the Crocodile God is as the most recent printings are in that color. The last crocodile is Grayscaled Gharial. The last crocodile is in Lurking Crocodile.
The best guess for the Hound God is . As not only do we have to trim out and , but that between and , its the difference between 2 ( ) and 7 ( ) . Also that the last two hounds printed in the game came from SOI-block. While the last seven hounds have come from SOI, KTK, Origins and Theros-block
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For cards that have Jackal in their name and have the Hound subtype we get a spread of the following:
1 -
3 -
1 -
Dauthi Jackal also belonged to a tribe in MTG called the Dauthi who were a mono- culture. Which leaves us with:
3 -
1 -
Trained Jackal came from Portal Three Kingoms set, which did a lot of unique things and is very standalone in its design. Which leaves us with:
3 -
Knowing this, the order of colors are likely, WUGBR. However, that would place the snake-headed one into red, which sort of fits, and sort of doesn't. I'm not sure.
Guys, they're pretty clearly WUBRG, in that order.
The logical progression from the Theros monocolor, then two-color gods would be three-color gods. That said, none of these arts really seem to suggest
three-color to me. I would be perfectly fine with that, or a cycle of five monocolored gods too.
And it looks like more Legendary god weapons on the way, from the looks of it.
Do you guys think that these, assuming they are gods, will have the same creature type as their faces suggest? I doubt they'll all be enchantments like the Theros gods, so there would be room on the type line, although they don't look like they are actually the humanoid race they represent (cat(leonin)/bird(aven)/viashino/ainok/snake(naga)).... I'm a big fan of tribal decks.
I think, generally, that the gods are pretty clear cut except the Jackal and Crocodile ones. There are valid arguments for both of them being either of Black or Red, but the other three (Cat = White, Bird = Blue, Snake = Green) seem much more simpler to piece together.
The biggest factor with the Jackal being red is that she looks like she is about to hurl that spear-looking object. Which brings to mind Anhur who is a war god who wielded a spear or lance. None of the other deities have a spear or lance looking weapon.
As the cat has a bow, the bird has what looks like a halberd or Egyptian axe (not fan), the crocodile has a staff and the cobra finally has what looks like a variation of a fan axe. The last one is an Egyptian weapon commonly seen in hieroglyphics but archeologists have had trouble tracking an actual one.
Okay so pure baseless speculation here, but what if the gods aren't actually the creatures depicted in the artwork but rather the masks they are wearing? Sort of Stargate-y I know, but still. Like if the equipment gave the equipped creature the creature type god and some other sort of on-color bonus. There could even be another sub-type on the card (not that there is really enough room) like Mantle or something with some added rules about only one mantle per creature or something.
Sorry if this is delving into card creation territory, but I needed to get this idea out and see what people think about it.
That said, I think it is a really cool idea so WotC probably won't be doing it.
Okay so pure baseless speculation here, but what if the gods aren't actually the creatures depicted in the artwork but rather the masks they are wearing? Sort of Stargate-y I know, but still. Like if the equipment gave the equipped creature the creature type god and some other sort of on-color bonus. There could even be another sub-type on the card (not that there is really enough room) like Mantle or something with some added rules about only one mantle per creature or something.
Sorry if this is delving into card creation territory, but I needed to get this idea out and see what people think about it.
That said, I think it is a really cool idea so WotC probably won't be doing it.
Problem is that these creatures are obviously MASSIVE. Look at the crane in particular - Scale birds in the foreground and it is towering over those obelisks. So unless the mask somehow makes a creature increase in size by orders of magnitude (which stretches even the kitesail-riding-elephant rules of magic equipment) only creatures that are already giant could wear these things. It also makes it harder for the gods to have agency as characters when they are just masks that anyone can put on. I have to imagine these will just be creatures.
Although who knows. People liked devotion according to market research IIRC and devotion is a 2 on the storm scale. Maybe it's a returning mechanic and these will work just like the Theros gods. If they are indestructible creatures all the time, they will be hard to balance.
maybe they become gods if a condition is met, similar to kamigawa block flip cards.
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People keep saying mono or tri colored, but I'd like to see a tri-color variant with the main color plus a hybrid of the other two - like W(B/R) format. This would emphasize the main color, lend the tri-color flavor, but making casting easier. Bolas himself will probably be solidly grixis, but I'd rather these guys be soft tri-color.
People keep saying mono or tri colored, but I'd like to see a tri-color variant with the main color plus a hybrid of the other two - like W(B/R) format. This would emphasize the main color, lend the tri-color flavor, but making casting easier. Bolas himself will probably be solidly grixis, but I'd rather these guys be soft tri-color.
Actually I do have a theory that this two block set is going to focus on multicolor because multicolor is gold border cards and as you can see that there is a ton of gold on the plane.
Been scrolling through Wikipedia to see if these have analogues in Egyptian mythology. So far I'm thinking dog is Anubis, bird is Thoth, crocodile is Sobek, snake is Apep, and cat is Bastet.
Apep is less likely than Wadjet or Hauhet as basis. Apep is a god, but by Western standards is functionally more demon. You don't worship Apep, you spit on him. (And also he's just a big snake, not a snake man.)
Cat - gWu
Crane - wUb
Crocodile - uBr
Jackal - bRg
Snake - rGw
I doubt they are artifacts, they are still clearly organic under the clothing. I expect artifact gods would be more esper-like.
I don't expect a second card type for these, unless it's something new. I do expect them to have subtypes beyond 'God', as there should be room this time without 'enchantment'.
The art ratio is a little weird. Either it was commissioned with extra art on the sides for playmats, or these are cropped, much like planeswalkers are now, in order to make it harder for fakers to affect the secondary market with hype.
I mean the theoros gods did mono and two color
They can make these gods three as for the strongest color of each its these
Cat = W
Crane = U
Crocodile = B
Dog = R
Cobra = G
And it's based of each creature type being strong with those colors and also by how each one looks.
First:W - Bastet, Goddess of Cats. Cats have always been associated with W and Bastet was sometimes the goddess of the sun and protection. Quite a easy W shoehorn, though one wonders why not good ol' Ra.
Second:U - Thoth, God of Knowledge. He was always associated with the ibis and is the god of writing and books. Flying dude that loves knowledge and books? Easiest U shoehorn ever.
Third:R - Quite a hard one. The most well-known Croc God is Sobek, God of the Nile. A destructive god, would fit well in R's philosophy. However, I don't think they would use poor ol' Sobek as a R god instead of the Top Dawg Set, God of Warriors, Desert and Chaos. Would be a huge missed opportunity as Set is very well-known and the easiest R God shoehorn in the history of ever. Maybe it's a mixed god, kinda like Heliod was Zeus + Helios?
Fourth:B - Anubis, God of Judgment, sometimes known as God of the Dead even though that role was more usually attributed to Osiris. Of course, this one is female, so either he's gender-swapped or mixed with Nephthys, Goddess of Death (not of those that are already Dead, but the ones Dying - yeah, it's different, because Egyptians were weird). Either way, it's 90% likely it is the B one. I mean, Egyptian mythology without the most well-known god Anubis? Inconceivable.
Fifth:G - Geb, God of Earth, oftentimes pictured as a serpent. Geb was actually more akin to a primordial deity, and father of Osiris and Set, but otherwise he fits the image of G god to a tee.
2 mono-
5 mono-
5 mono-
1 dual-colored in
14 mono -
1 mono-
11 mono-
19 mono -
17 mono-
3 dual-colored in
6 artifacts - X
The best guess for the Hound God is . As not only do we have to trim out and , but that between and , its the difference between 2 ( ) and 7 ( ) . Also that the last two hounds printed in the game came from SOI-block. While the last seven hounds have come from SOI, KTK, Origins and Theros-block
For cards that have Jackal in their name and have the Hound subtype we get a spread of the following:
1 -
3 -
1 -
Dauthi Jackal also belonged to a tribe in MTG called the Dauthi who were a mono- culture. Which leaves us with:
3 -
1 -
Trained Jackal came from Portal Three Kingoms set, which did a lot of unique things and is very standalone in its design. Which leaves us with:
3 -
Which consist of Jackal Pup, Hurr Jackal and Jackal Familiar.
1- Solidarity
2- Knowledge
3- Strength
4- Ambition
5- Zeal
Knowing this, the order of colors are likely, WUGBR. However, that would place the snake-headed one into red, which sort of fits, and sort of doesn't. I'm not sure.
The logical progression from the Theros monocolor, then two-color gods would be three-color gods. That said, none of these arts really seem to suggest
three-color to me. I would be perfectly fine with that, or a cycle of five monocolored gods too.
And it looks like more Legendary god weapons on the way, from the looks of it.
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As the cat has a bow, the bird has what looks like a halberd or Egyptian axe (not fan), the crocodile has a staff and the cobra finally has what looks like a variation of a fan axe. The last one is an Egyptian weapon commonly seen in hieroglyphics but archeologists have had trouble tracking an actual one.
Sorry if this is delving into card creation territory, but I needed to get this idea out and see what people think about it.
That said, I think it is a really cool idea so WotC probably won't be doing it.
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Problem is that these creatures are obviously MASSIVE. Look at the crane in particular - Scale birds in the foreground and it is towering over those obelisks. So unless the mask somehow makes a creature increase in size by orders of magnitude (which stretches even the kitesail-riding-elephant rules of magic equipment) only creatures that are already giant could wear these things. It also makes it harder for the gods to have agency as characters when they are just masks that anyone can put on. I have to imagine these will just be creatures.
Although who knows. People liked devotion according to market research IIRC and devotion is a 2 on the storm scale. Maybe it's a returning mechanic and these will work just like the Theros gods. If they are indestructible creatures all the time, they will be hard to balance.
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maybe they become gods if a condition is met, similar to kamigawa block flip cards.
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What about [Basic] Devotion? Like: "Sobek is not a creature while you control less than 5 swamps."
Except for the fact there is every reason in the world to simply list them in color pie (WUBRG) fashion?
Becuase that's what they always do. And it's what they did here too.
Still don't see it? OK, let's try something else..
The game has several black crododiles, and not a single red one. Becuase they LIVE IN SWAMPS.) And the game has a few famous famous red jackals too.
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Actually I do have a theory that this two block set is going to focus on multicolor because multicolor is gold border cards and as you can see that there is a ton of gold on the plane.
And the gods being tri color my best theory.
If not, what reasons do you folks have for guessing they will deviate from being enchantment creatures?
How would the god "mechanic" work if they aren't also enchantments (or, I suppose, artifacts)?
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