Soo, based on what we know and just for the fun of It, I Will give It a try to predict Kaladesh BLOCK planeswalkers.
The idea is simple, we know the baseline is 5 planeswalkers per block, so that gives us, between KLD and AER about 5 or more planeswalkers. We sorta know some of the methodologíes used to choose them in cards as well, they try to keep the colores very well balanced, i will proceed with SOI block color balancing as an example, multicolored cards add .5 and monocolored add 1;
Jace; _ U _ _ _
Sorin: W _ B _ _
Liliana: _ _ B _ _
Nahiri: W _ _ R _
Arliin: _ _ _ R G
Tamiyo: W U _ _ G
Giving us; W = 1 U = 1 B = 1.5 R = 1 G = 0.5
So its pretty fit, tho not perfect, that's cool. Now Ill do the same with what we know from KLD so far, my guess is tezzeret is back with a card, he being esper or somewhere around that, maybe just WU or WB;
Chandra: _ _ _ R _
Shaeli: _ U _ R _
Tezzeret: _ U B _ _
Nissa: _ _ _ _ G
Dovin: W U _ _ _
W = 0.5 U = 1.5 B = 0.5 R = 1.5 G = 1
As of writing we are missing a green PW nor something to balance W B and G, maybe Nissa shows up (she is supposed to go get Chandra back) and we don't know yet Baal's color alignment or even if he has a card, my guess is Baal being B and maybe U or W, probably reds enemy colors, given the story, that also depends on Tez's color. I might be missing a sixth one tho..
We know Dovin is getting a card this set (they even said so this weekend), and he is most likely going to be UW, while Tezzeret is more likely to be UB. Nissa is either in this set or the next and is going to be, well, green.
Not really how I would build this, but given its your thread kind of moot.
Currently we know of six Planeswalkers that will be on Kaladesh during the events of the block. Chandra, Liliana, Nissa, Dovin, Saheeli, and Tezzeret. Given the close proximity to Innistrad I think most agree that Liliana would be a bit much, leaving us with five Planeswalkers. Shouldn't be any last minute surprises so that's probably who we are working with.
Of them, we only have Saheeli with an actual card, U/R. However, three of the remaining Planeswalkers still have a core color, which we can assuredly expect to be involved in the card, and two have been exclusively mono colored. Chandra for Red, Nissa for Green, and Tezzeret for Blue. With the first two likely being monocolored it's likely that we won't see any more Red due to Saheeli, though it's not like the remaining two mysteries are likely to be Red. And Nissa is probably it for Green.
This leaves Tezzeret and Dovin as potential trouble makers. Both of them are likely Blue, given Tezzeret is tied to artifacts in that way very strongly, and Dovin is a Vedalken. That would... actually, thinking on it, just give us a 1.5 Blue rating if one was U/B and the other W/U, because of how they do cards. The only issue is that we would have barely any White/Black, but given those colors were decently prevalent in Innistrad maybe it would be fine.
So... maybe that's how it plays out. Only issue is I'm not sure if they typically let colors only have .5 representation, but could be a first for anything. Though thinking on it again Green was pretty much nonexistent in Tarkir, so more plausible than I thought.
Well, that answers that. I think the likely Planeswalker group is Chandra (Red), Nissa (Green), Saheeli (Blue/Red), Dovin (White/Blue), and Tezzeret (Blue/Black). Kind of odd, lots of Blue, but it is hard to imagine anything else. Only oddball would be if Green was anything else, or there were more dual colors or a tricolor, but I doubt that.
Magic doesn't count tricolor walkers for color balance (at least not in a standard that isn't supporting tri color decks), your math is off because Tamiyo has no impact on 'color balancing for Standard' since block is no longer a format. White and Blue are 1.0 and Green is 0.5
Three Blue walkers is fine, especially in this block.
Corrected the tri-color math.. still kind of odd after adding dovin and nissa, I'm getting both white and black at 0.5 wich is obviously too low, one has to go up
Corrected the tri-color math.. still kind of odd after adding dovin and nissa, I'm getting both white and black at 0.5 wich is obviously too low, one has to go up
Not necessarily.
Tarkir block had Sarkhan, Dragonspeaker; Sorin, Solemn Visitor; Ugin, the Spirit Dragon; Narset, Transcendant; and Sarkhan Unbroken
Which puts Tarkir's PW Color count at
W: 1
U: .5
B: .5
R: 1
G: 0
BFZ block had a low blue count, and SOI block had a low red-green count. It's honestly not that surprising. Once you factor in Standard's color balance, it evens out a bit more.
When you calculate current standard, you have Narset Transcendant; Sarkhan Unbroken; Gideon, Battle-Forged; Jace, Telepath Unbound; Liliana, Defiant Necromancer; Chandra, Roaring Flame; Nissa, Sage Animist; Gideon, Ally of Zendikar; Ob Nixilis, Reignited; Kiora, Master of the Depths; Chandra, Flamecaller; Nissa, Voice of Zendikar; Jace, Unraveler of Secrets; Arlinn Kord; Nahiri, the Harbinger; Sorin, Grim Nemesis; Liliana, the Last Hope; Tamiyo, Field Researcher.
W: 3.5
U: 3
B: 3.5
R: 3
G: 3
Cut out the stuff that's about to rotate though, and the numbers become
W: 2
U: 2
B: 2
R: 2
G: 2
Add in you assumed count:
W = 2.5
U = 3.5
B = 2.5
R = 3.5
G = 3
Doesn't look too far off from last Standard. WB was taken down a peg, but they've had run of the place for a little while, so notching them down isn't too big a deal.
If we have Chandra ( ), Dovin ( ), Nissa ( ), Saheeli( ), and Tezzeret ( ), then the color balance would be 0.5 white/1.5 blue/0.5 black/1.5 red/1.0 green. Theros block had 1.5 white/1.0 blue/0.5 black/0.5 red/1.5 green. Both had two colors with 0.5, one with 1.0, and two with 1.5. New Phyrexia was 1.5/1.0/0.5/1.0/0.0, even more unbalanced (replacing one of the 0.5s with a 0.0). Alara block did the same if you exclude Bolas for being tricolor (1.5/1.0/0/1.0/0.5). So that color balance for Kaladesh is not perfect but definitely possible.
When you calculate current standard, you have Narset Transcendant; Sarkhan Unbroken; Gideon, Battle-Forged; Jace, Telepath Unbound; Liliana, Defiant Necromancer; Chandra, Roaring Flame; Nissa, Sage Animist; Gideon, Ally of Zendikar; Ob Nixilis, Reignited; Kiora, Master of the Depths; Chandra, Flamecaller; Nissa, Voice of Zendikar; Jace, Unraveler of Secrets; Arlinn Kord; Nahiri, the Harbinger; Sorin, Grim Nemesis; Liliana, the Last Hope; Tamiyo, Field Researcher.
W: 3.5
U: 3
B: 3.5
R: 3
G: 3
Cut out the stuff that's about to rotate though, and the numbers become
W: 2
U: 2
B: 2
R: 2
G: 2
Add in you assumed count:
W = 2.5
U = 3.5
B = 2.5
R = 3.5
G = 3
Doesn't look too far off from last Standard. WB was taken down a peg, but they've had run of the place for a little while, so notching them down isn't too big a deal.
Dovin as pure White is pretty much not going to happen, it would be really weird for him to not have Blue.
Jeskai?
Not even remotely. He's most likely just Azorius, unless he and Tezzeret switch colors. But Dovin is very not Red. If he's tricolor maybe it's Esper or Sultai, unlikely Bant given Tamiyo. Dovin is very anti-Red though.
Dovin as pure White is pretty much not going to happen, it would be really weird for him to not have Blue.
Jeskai?
Not even remotely. He's most likely just Azorius, unless he and Tezzeret switch colors. But Dovin is very not Red. If he's tricolor maybe it's Esper or Sultai, unlikely Bant given Tamiyo. Dovin is very anti-Red though.
Hopefully sultai then. I think that's mroe likely than Esper, because some people were thinking that Tezzeret was Esper. But then again, Sultai is delerium-ish and I don't think Dovin is Delerium. But... Dovin, Delerium? D and D? Heh
I very strongly doubt tricolor, we already had Tamiyo last block, and we have in all likelihood Bolas next block. It's an awfully hefty amount of tricolor Planeswalkers. Azorius just makes the most sense here. It provides the right balance of colors to give at least a little White, it makes sense with his personality, it keeps tricolor from being too common (already been one every other block since Tarkir), really no reason he wouldn't be unless Tezzeret is something else to throw off colors (like Orzhov).
Tezzeret expanding colors to full esper makes sense in my opinion.
My issue with Dovin is that he is going to be blue no matter what which means there should be 3 blue planeswalkers in the same set if he is printed as we all expect in Kaladesh.
Being Head Judge probably means Tezzeret has to be in this set also(in addition to his spoiled art), as the fair should end before Aether Revolt and the flavor of head judge is great for his card.
Based on art, Dovin can be U, UR, or any 3+ color combination including UR. My opinion is that: he should not be Izzet because of Saheeli, his profile does not fit that well to red (though his main philosophy about imperfection could be red, it could be blue as well). I guess he is going to be the new monoU artifact matter walker that Tezzeret is no longer.
Dovin is not UR as it does not fit his personality. He is either UW or UB depending on his motivations, however with Tezzeret confirmed to be in Kaladesh we can safely rule out UB, leaving UW as the logical choice.
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Tezzeret expanding colors to full esper makes sense in my opinion.
My issue with Dovin is that he is going to be blue no matter what which means there should be 3 blue planeswalkers in the same set if he is printed as we all expect in Kaladesh.
Being Head Judge probably means Tezzeret has to be in this set also(in addition to his spoiled art), as the fair should end before Aether Revolt and the flavor of head judge is great for his card.
Based on art, Dovin can be U, UR, or any 3+ color combination including UR. My opinion is that: he should not be Izzet because of Saheeli, his profile does not fit that well to red (though his main philosophy about imperfection could be red, it could be blue as well). I guess he is going to be the new monoU artifact matter walker that Tezzeret is no longer.
Dovin is not UR as it does not fit his personality. He is either UW or UB depending on his motivations, however with Tezzeret confirmed to be in Kaladesh we can safely rule out UB, leaving UW as the logical choice.
White does not fit. It's supposed to be the color of the consulate, but Dovin philosophy revolves around imperfection and "nothing is perfect" beliefs, it is too much in contradiction to white, the only way he could be white with this philosophy was if he was also Red, and Jeskai seems unlikely.
Why are you rejecting monoU? It seems way simpler and more logic for a Vedalken...
I did not reject mono-blue, I simply pointed out that if he is dual colored, then UB or UR isn't going to happen, and in that case WU is the more likely possibility.
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Red/White seems like an awfully lot of Red. But I would like that. Not a lot of Red/White Planeswalkers in general. Kind of wish an Aetherborn could get a spark too. Though either Dwarf or Aetherborn means a lot of natural Planeswalkers from Kaladesh. Unless the dwarf is from Shadowmoor.
The real question now is who is joining Tezzeret in Aether revolt as our 6th walker.
I am hoping for a new planeswalker (preferably a red/white dwarf walker), who ends up joining the Gatewatch (unless Saheeli does.)
Who says we are getting a 6th walker in the block? Just because SoI did doesn't mean this set will. The default is 5 and I see no reason so far to think that is changing in this block.
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The idea is simple, we know the baseline is 5 planeswalkers per block, so that gives us, between KLD and AER about 5 or more planeswalkers. We sorta know some of the methodologíes used to choose them in cards as well, they try to keep the colores very well balanced, i will proceed with SOI block color balancing as an example, multicolored cards add .5 and monocolored add 1;
Jace; _ U _ _ _
Sorin: W _ B _ _
Liliana: _ _ B _ _
Nahiri: W _ _ R _
Arliin: _ _ _ R G
Tamiyo: W U _ _ G
Giving us;
W = 1
U = 1
B = 1.5
R = 1
G = 0.5
So its pretty fit, tho not perfect, that's cool. Now Ill do the same with what we know from KLD so far, my guess is tezzeret is back with a card, he being esper or somewhere around that, maybe just WU or WB;
Chandra: _ _ _ R _
Shaeli: _ U _ R _
Tezzeret: _ U B _ _
Nissa: _ _ _ _ G
Dovin: W U _ _ _
W = 0.5
U = 1.5
B = 0.5
R = 1.5
G = 1
As of writing we are missing a green PW nor something to balance W B and G, maybe Nissa shows up (she is supposed to go get Chandra back) and we don't know yet Baal's color alignment or even if he has a card, my guess is Baal being B and maybe U or W, probably reds enemy colors, given the story, that also depends on Tez's color. I might be missing a sixth one tho..
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Currently we know of six Planeswalkers that will be on Kaladesh during the events of the block. Chandra, Liliana, Nissa, Dovin, Saheeli, and Tezzeret. Given the close proximity to Innistrad I think most agree that Liliana would be a bit much, leaving us with five Planeswalkers. Shouldn't be any last minute surprises so that's probably who we are working with.
Of them, we only have Saheeli with an actual card, U/R. However, three of the remaining Planeswalkers still have a core color, which we can assuredly expect to be involved in the card, and two have been exclusively mono colored. Chandra for Red, Nissa for Green, and Tezzeret for Blue. With the first two likely being monocolored it's likely that we won't see any more Red due to Saheeli, though it's not like the remaining two mysteries are likely to be Red. And Nissa is probably it for Green.
This leaves Tezzeret and Dovin as potential trouble makers. Both of them are likely Blue, given Tezzeret is tied to artifacts in that way very strongly, and Dovin is a Vedalken. That would... actually, thinking on it, just give us a 1.5 Blue rating if one was U/B and the other W/U, because of how they do cards. The only issue is that we would have barely any White/Black, but given those colors were decently prevalent in Innistrad maybe it would be fine.
So... maybe that's how it plays out. Only issue is I'm not sure if they typically let colors only have .5 representation, but could be a first for anything. Though thinking on it again Green was pretty much nonexistent in Tarkir, so more plausible than I thought.
Well, that answers that. I think the likely Planeswalker group is Chandra (Red), Nissa (Green), Saheeli (Blue/Red), Dovin (White/Blue), and Tezzeret (Blue/Black). Kind of odd, lots of Blue, but it is hard to imagine anything else. Only oddball would be if Green was anything else, or there were more dual colors or a tricolor, but I doubt that.
Three Blue walkers is fine, especially in this block.
Not necessarily.
Tarkir block had Sarkhan, Dragonspeaker; Sorin, Solemn Visitor; Ugin, the Spirit Dragon; Narset, Transcendant; and Sarkhan Unbroken
Which puts Tarkir's PW Color count at
W: 1
U: .5
B: .5
R: 1
G: 0
BFZ block had a low blue count, and SOI block had a low red-green count. It's honestly not that surprising. Once you factor in Standard's color balance, it evens out a bit more.
W: 3.5
U: 3
B: 3.5
R: 3
G: 3
Cut out the stuff that's about to rotate though, and the numbers become
W: 2
U: 2
B: 2
R: 2
G: 2
Add in you assumed count:
W = 2.5
U = 3.5
B = 2.5
R = 3.5
G = 3
Doesn't look too far off from last Standard. WB was taken down a peg, but they've had run of the place for a little while, so notching them down isn't too big a deal.
So now we remain to know wich Tez or Dovin is UB and WU
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Not even remotely. He's most likely just Azorius, unless he and Tezzeret switch colors. But Dovin is very not Red. If he's tricolor maybe it's Esper or Sultai, unlikely Bant given Tamiyo. Dovin is very anti-Red though.
Hopefully sultai then. I think that's mroe likely than Esper, because some people were thinking that Tezzeret was Esper. But then again, Sultai is delerium-ish and I don't think Dovin is Delerium. But... Dovin, Delerium? D and D? Heh
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Dovin is not UR as it does not fit his personality. He is either UW or UB depending on his motivations, however with Tezzeret confirmed to be in Kaladesh we can safely rule out UB, leaving UW as the logical choice.
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I did not reject mono-blue, I simply pointed out that if he is dual colored, then UB or UR isn't going to happen, and in that case WU is the more likely possibility.
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Indeed, and that means Tezzeret is sitting this one out until at earliest Aether Revolt, as Dovin has been shown on Booster packaging.
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I am hoping for a new planeswalker (preferably a red/white dwarf walker), who ends up joining the Gatewatch (unless Saheeli does.)
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Who says we are getting a 6th walker in the block? Just because SoI did doesn't mean this set will. The default is 5 and I see no reason so far to think that is changing in this block.
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