Not to mention the fact that Phyrexia pretty much consists of all of their former opponents. Kinda like the Borg from Star Trek, they don't really kill you... they just add you to their ranks.
I agree. We should all only play g/x decks because they are the most objectively fun and anyone who disagrees does not know the truth about EDH. Everyone should just play their decks because interaction beyond high fiving about how many land are in play is unfun and equivalent to casting Stasis while kicking puppies. I for one will never play with anyone who casts tutors, removal spells, blue cards, things I arbitrarily decide I don't like but will probably cast myself later.
Well, that and Urza kinda instigated the war against Phyrexia. Hopefully, further down the line, New Phyrexia would want to reach the grand scale of old and become the ultimate baddie again. Some zealous praetor who wants to become the new Yawgmoth. I could definitely see that happening.
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Urza's colors is an interesting discussion. MaRo himself started saying he thought he was White/Blue. After multiple questions arguing for different colors he ultimately agreed that Urza was a 5 color character.
Q: You once said that believe Urza is White/Blue. Then you agreed with a QM saying he sould be black and another one arguing he should be red. As a 5-color lover I have to ask: would you agree that Urza is at least partially green?
A: I do think he has some green in him. Part of his master plan had to do with finding the natural state of some bloodlines.
Is Serra only a white color identity walker then? If the general consensus is that the commander products should be allied colors for this year, and if we're hoping for a return of Planeswalker Commanders, is it out of the realm of possibility to think of Serra being a WU or WG walker?
I guess Serra's Sphinx is the only non-white card that references Serra (and it is from Planar Chaos, so I guess it doesn't count much)
If Serra is to be a Commander I assum it will be when they do a cycle of monocolor decks again. Or as Misc. one (like 1 monocolor, 1 allied color, 1 wedge, 1 colorless and 1 5-color). It would also be a great opportunity for the 5-color Urza.
So the Commander 2016 announcement kills the hope for Serra, but maybe we'll see an Urza now? I can't see them printing one with a walker though and not the other color combinations, no other walker really screams 4 color.
I don't think he'll be a part of this. Who would the other planeswalkers be? Other members of the 9 titans who haven't seen play yet? None of them really strike me as 4 color, and they wouldn't really be on the power level that Urza was, and Mishra was never a walker.
Urza seems more 4 color than 5. Was he ever shown doing a lot with white mana, or any of the white characteristics?
Well... All his war and preparations against Phyrexia was for the good of the whole multiverse, so it could be argued that he had the good of the collectivity in mind... No matter the cost.
Anyway, Urza already has a card: Blind Seer is actually Urza in disguise.
If we are talking howght of his power, Urza would have to be all 5 colors. Multiple spells he utilized across the books would indicate access to all 5 colors of mana, also having urza's lens for additional color requirements.
If we are talking before he began a planeswalker, before the end of the war, Primarily we see him using red and blue. In the story he laid waste to a forest for its resources. His brother primarily used white and black spells thematically, but he was represented by a UBR creature.
Very complicated when dealing with retcons, recons, romcoms and voltrons
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I don't know, having a war with your brother that almost destroys all life on the planet seems pretty reckless to me. JMHO
It's only reckless if you did not considered the possibility and made your peace with it as an acceptable risk.
I'm in the "Urza is easily everything but green" camp. the order goes probably something like blue-white-red-black-green, though the middle three could go into pretty much any other order as well as far as I am concerned.
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Is Serra only a white color identity walker then? If the general consensus is that the commander products should be allied colors for this year, and if we're hoping for a return of Planeswalker Commanders, is it out of the realm of possibility to think of Serra being a WU or WG walker?
They have already stated that this years commanders are 4 color
Is Serra only a white color identity walker then? If the general consensus is that the commander products should be allied colors for this year, and if we're hoping for a return of Planeswalker Commanders, is it out of the realm of possibility to think of Serra being a WU or WG walker?
They have already stated that this years commanders are 4 color
This was posted before that was announced, but yes, she obviously won't show up this go around with that being the theme.
Is Serra only a white color identity walker then? If the general consensus is that the commander products should be allied colors for this year, and if we're hoping for a return of Planeswalker Commanders, is it out of the realm of possibility to think of Serra being a WU or WG walker?
They have already stated that this years commanders are 4 color
This was posted before that was announced, but yes, she obviously won't show up this go around with that being the theme.
Unfortunately, lovely Serra is no more thanks to Urza and his machinations. Considering they made Teferi, Titania, and Freyalise into commander cards, it wouldn't be out of the question to see a Serra eventually, but only in a special deck outside of the main storyline. Or another time travel block...
Urza had nothing to do with Serra's death. That was entirely on her.
Basically, after she left her realm she eventually ended up in Ulgrotha (homelands) where she met and fell in love with the planeswalker wizard Feroz, whom she eventually married. They mentored a local Minotaur that has ignited (Sandruu), who eventually ran afoul a powerful and ancient planeswalker named Taysir (originally from Rabiah). Taysir chased Sandruu all the way back to the Homelands where they dueled and Taysir managed to defeat and banish the minotaur for over a thousand years. This of course pissed of Serra and Feroz, and they fought, defeated, and killed Taysir (Although the intent was not to kill). This led to Feroz to create his "Ban", to prevent outsiders from mucking up Ulgrotha again. Anyway, all was peace on Homelands, even the Baron (Sengir, best villain ever) kept mostly to his own domain. Then one fateful day, Feroz did an experiment involving elementals, an accident happened involving a fire elemental, and he died. Serra was heartbroken and left the homelands. She wandered around for a bit, before she encountered a rogue. Said rogue saw her gold ring (wedding band), and wanted it. She refused to hand it over and was killed by the rogue, letting her essence scatter so she could be with Feroz in death.
And remember, this was in the old days where Planeswalkers where powerful enough to create entire planes of existance by their will alone. There where no indication that the rogue was anything other than a common thug and not a planeswalker, whom she easily could have destroyed. She simply no longer wished to live.
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In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
It's been a very long time since Serra's death so she's likely little more than a skeleton. Also, when a planeswalker dies their spark ceases to exist so she would just be a regular creature.
Also, on the topic of Urza, I feel that MaRo is wrong about Urza being 5 color. His need to find a strong bloodline isn't Green's way of survival of the fittest. It's pragmatic and scientific. In fact, he wants to find the best candidate he can so that he can then go on a massive eugenics experiment and change what nature has created for his own purposes. Urza shows us multiple times from his complete destruction of Argoth to his creation of an entire synthetic species of super soldiers that he really couldn't care less about Green's natural order or keeping things the way they always were. I mean, he takes one step into Yavimaya and gets trapped in a tree to atone for his crimes against the earth. Nature hates this guy. He's WUBR.
In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
Pretty sure the only way Serra is coming back is in a Commander product. Serra, Urza, and Yawgmoth are characters they don't want to use again.
In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
Pretty sure the only way Serra is coming back is in a Commander product. Serra, Urza, and Yawgmoth are characters they don't want to use again.
Well let it happen already, then? What's with this glacial pace? C15 was so disappointing and lame. C14 was the best of the whole series. I'm tired of seeing duds when we only get CMDR products once a year. At this rate it's going to take a lifetime to catch up, which isn't fair to people who have been waiting years or decades to play with these characters on cards. Especially Serra fans that are now snubbed out of a card for her because of Nahiri, who was in SOI anyway and is a modern character who can appear anywhere now, but Serra can't. Just mad lame dude. Characters getting cards should be something that occurs in every Commander product. Each deck should try to have at least once past character without a card getting one. C15 so so bland, IDK… it's upsetting.
In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
Pretty sure the only way Serra is coming back is in a Commander product. Serra, Urza, and Yawgmoth are characters they don't want to use again.
Well let it happen already, then? What's with this glacial pace? C15 was so disappointing and lame. C14 was the best of the whole series. I'm tired of seeing duds when we only get CMDR products once a year. At this rate it's going to take a lifetime to catch up, which isn't fair to people who have been waiting years or decades to play with these characters on cards. Especially Serra fans that are now snubbed out of a card for her because of Nahiri, who was in SOI anyway and is a modern character who can appear anywhere now, but Serra can't. Just mad lame dude. Characters getting cards should be something that occurs in every Commander product. Each deck should try to have at least once past character without a card getting one. C15 so so bland, IDK… it's upsetting.
C15 wasn't totally lame, but I will agree that C14 has been the best year so far, not only in deck quality right out of the box, but how we got to see old characters for the first time in card form, or at least in PW form. I'm sure the only way we're going to see Serra is when they put out another cycle of new PWs, either for using them as a commander or just normal PW cards.
I certainly hope we see old characters again. For C15 it wasn't that great when we only saw Ezuri as a past character (something tells me I'm wrong here) and he isn't all that interesting as a call back.
In a universe of magic, necromancy, zombies, and resurrections, is there really a 0% chance Serra would never come back? I mean, we have mercenary snakes and goats who can be equipped. I think the universe can manage to bring someone back.
Pretty sure the only way Serra is coming back is in a Commander product. Serra, Urza, and Yawgmoth are characters they don't want to use again.
Well let it happen already, then? What's with this glacial pace? C15 was so disappointing and lame. C14 was the best of the whole series. I'm tired of seeing duds when we only get CMDR products once a year. At this rate it's going to take a lifetime to catch up, which isn't fair to people who have been waiting years or decades to play with these characters on cards. Especially Serra fans that are now snubbed out of a card for her because of Nahiri, who was in SOI anyway and is a modern character who can appear anywhere now, but Serra can't. Just mad lame dude. Characters getting cards should be something that occurs in every Commander product. Each deck should try to have at least once past character without a card getting one. C15 so so bland, IDK… it's upsetting.
Also remember that Wizards works years ahead so C15 and 16 where being designed before wizards knew if the seeing old characters in card form was popular enough to design cards form them, which seems to be the idea mostly for the legendary creature of the commander sets and not the walker commanders.
You should also look into the design articles about the C14 commanders since it explained why the white commander was Nahiri (as well as why the other commander ended up who they where) and not Serra. The planeswalker commanders where built bottom down so to not end up super Op and the white commander ended up as an equipment walker. Since they didn't have a established character already who fit they made the white commander Nahiri and added in some flavor touches to make the design and flavor fit better. It also helped I think that BfZ and SoI where a year later so it helped set up the character, which why I'm guessing Ob was picked as the black commander.
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I certainly hope we see old characters again. For C15 it wasn't that great when we only saw Ezuri as a past character (something tells me I'm wrong here) and he isn't all that interesting as a call back.
We also got Daxos, which sort of counts. Karlov might also get in on a technicality. Still, these weren't characters we need, like Serra, Urza, Yawgmoth, the WB Innistrad angel, Ludevic, Hal and Alena, Arismethes, Tovolar, and on and on. Seriously, Wizards has some catching to do.
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I would love if Rebecca Guay could paint Serra's art for her PW card though.
This, a million times this. When she gets printed (given how they finally caved in for the GR werewolf legend, Geralf/Gisa and a pre-demon Ob walker) that would be disappointing if they missed out on that obvious artist pairing.
In any case, they are going to have to start repeating color combinations soon. Allied colors are the only major set left. Hopefully, this opens up more space for existing characters.
Come to think of it, an Innistrad based cycle of legends would be perfect for allied colors. Hal and Alena for GW, Tovolar for RG, Runo Stromkirk for BR, and Ludevic for UB. Not sure who would be WU. We don't have any geists conspicuously missing a card. St Raben, maybe? Jenrik?
In any case, they are capable of designing top-down cards as commanders, as evidenced by Gisa and Geralf.
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If Serra is to be a Commander I assum it will be when they do a cycle of monocolor decks again. Or as Misc. one (like 1 monocolor, 1 allied color, 1 wedge, 1 colorless and 1 5-color). It would also be a great opportunity for the 5-color Urza.
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Cards I still want to see created:
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If we are talking howght of his power, Urza would have to be all 5 colors. Multiple spells he utilized across the books would indicate access to all 5 colors of mana, also having urza's lens for additional color requirements.
If we are talking before he began a planeswalker, before the end of the war, Primarily we see him using red and blue. In the story he laid waste to a forest for its resources. His brother primarily used white and black spells thematically, but he was represented by a UBR creature.
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It's only reckless if you did not considered the possibility and made your peace with it as an acceptable risk.
I'm in the "Urza is easily everything but green" camp. the order goes probably something like blue-white-red-black-green, though the middle three could go into pretty much any other order as well as far as I am concerned.
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They have already stated that this years commanders are 4 color
This was posted before that was announced, but yes, she obviously won't show up this go around with that being the theme.
Yeah, sorry, I noticed after I made the post
Urza had nothing to do with Serra's death. That was entirely on her.
Basically, after she left her realm she eventually ended up in Ulgrotha (homelands) where she met and fell in love with the planeswalker wizard Feroz, whom she eventually married. They mentored a local Minotaur that has ignited (Sandruu), who eventually ran afoul a powerful and ancient planeswalker named Taysir (originally from Rabiah). Taysir chased Sandruu all the way back to the Homelands where they dueled and Taysir managed to defeat and banish the minotaur for over a thousand years. This of course pissed of Serra and Feroz, and they fought, defeated, and killed Taysir (Although the intent was not to kill). This led to Feroz to create his "Ban", to prevent outsiders from mucking up Ulgrotha again. Anyway, all was peace on Homelands, even the Baron (Sengir, best villain ever) kept mostly to his own domain. Then one fateful day, Feroz did an experiment involving elementals, an accident happened involving a fire elemental, and he died. Serra was heartbroken and left the homelands. She wandered around for a bit, before she encountered a rogue. Said rogue saw her gold ring (wedding band), and wanted it. She refused to hand it over and was killed by the rogue, letting her essence scatter so she could be with Feroz in death.
And remember, this was in the old days where Planeswalkers where powerful enough to create entire planes of existance by their will alone. There where no indication that the rogue was anything other than a common thug and not a planeswalker, whom she easily could have destroyed. She simply no longer wished to live.
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Even for a joke, this is mind sick & unacceptable -.-
Also, on the topic of Urza, I feel that MaRo is wrong about Urza being 5 color. His need to find a strong bloodline isn't Green's way of survival of the fittest. It's pragmatic and scientific. In fact, he wants to find the best candidate he can so that he can then go on a massive eugenics experiment and change what nature has created for his own purposes. Urza shows us multiple times from his complete destruction of Argoth to his creation of an entire synthetic species of super soldiers that he really couldn't care less about Green's natural order or keeping things the way they always were. I mean, he takes one step into Yavimaya and gets trapped in a tree to atone for his crimes against the earth. Nature hates this guy. He's WUBR.
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Pretty sure the only way Serra is coming back is in a Commander product. Serra, Urza, and Yawgmoth are characters they don't want to use again.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
C15 wasn't totally lame, but I will agree that C14 has been the best year so far, not only in deck quality right out of the box, but how we got to see old characters for the first time in card form, or at least in PW form. I'm sure the only way we're going to see Serra is when they put out another cycle of new PWs, either for using them as a commander or just normal PW cards.
I certainly hope we see old characters again. For C15 it wasn't that great when we only saw Ezuri as a past character (something tells me I'm wrong here) and he isn't all that interesting as a call back.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Also remember that Wizards works years ahead so C15 and 16 where being designed before wizards knew if the seeing old characters in card form was popular enough to design cards form them, which seems to be the idea mostly for the legendary creature of the commander sets and not the walker commanders.
You should also look into the design articles about the C14 commanders since it explained why the white commander was Nahiri (as well as why the other commander ended up who they where) and not Serra. The planeswalker commanders where built bottom down so to not end up super Op and the white commander ended up as an equipment walker. Since they didn't have a established character already who fit they made the white commander Nahiri and added in some flavor touches to make the design and flavor fit better. It also helped I think that BfZ and SoI where a year later so it helped set up the character, which why I'm guessing Ob was picked as the black commander.
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We also got Daxos, which sort of counts. Karlov might also get in on a technicality. Still, these weren't characters we need, like Serra, Urza, Yawgmoth, the WB Innistrad angel, Ludevic, Hal and Alena, Arismethes, Tovolar, and on and on. Seriously, Wizards has some catching to do.
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This, a million times this. When she gets printed (given how they finally caved in for the GR werewolf legend, Geralf/Gisa and a pre-demon Ob walker) that would be disappointing if they missed out on that obvious artist pairing.
Come to think of it, an Innistrad based cycle of legends would be perfect for allied colors. Hal and Alena for GW, Tovolar for RG, Runo Stromkirk for BR, and Ludevic for UB. Not sure who would be WU. We don't have any geists conspicuously missing a card. St Raben, maybe? Jenrik?
In any case, they are capable of designing top-down cards as commanders, as evidenced by Gisa and Geralf.
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