Since we probably won't be getting any more information too soon on the "where in the world is Emrakul?" question, I wanted to take a look at something else. Namely, the Eldritch Moon set symbol. There are a few theories out there, with the foremost theory being that the EMN set symbol will be the unnamed, unknown symbol on the clue token, which may or may not point to Emrakul. I'm attaching the image for those that don't know which symbol I'm talking about. The symbol is also on the staff of Westvale Cult Leader.
But here's why I don't think that symbol is, in fact, the symbol of EMN. Wizards purposely didn't reveal the symbol of EMN because they new it would reveal something huge about the set. There would be some big spoiler, which could reveal who or what was there. Had they revealed that same symbol in question when they revealed the set, what would be different today? Nothing. Because nothing is really known about the symbol. It seems likely that it is a depiction of Emrakul, but we don't know for sure. Therefore, if that was the symbol, Wizards would have lost nothing by revealing it when they announced the set. We didn't know what it was then, and we still don't really now.
Now, just for the sake of discussion, picture the symbol of New Phyrexia. That symbol is very iconic, especially since you always see it with Phyrexian mana. If that symbol, or part of it was revealed as part of a set symbol, we would immediately know that the Phyrexians were there. Now, I want to make clear that I don't think the Phyrexians are on Innistrad at all. Again, I was just using them as an example. I believe that whatever the set symbol is, it must have some immense significance and connection to other things, which is why we haven't seen it. If it was the symbol on the clue token, they would have revealed it already.
Update: Thanks to zetabass, I now know that the chain veil has "eldritch spirits" inside it. This link goes to a page about a 2010 novel with Liliana and Garruk. "But as the Veil takes hold of her, it's hard to tell if those voices in her head are her own, or the eldritch spirits of the Veil." We know that Liliana plays a huge role in EMN. Could the chain veil be the set symbol? If it was revealed, it would be quite the spoiler.
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Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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If this were the set symbol,
they'd have no issues with showing it to us,
as we'd have no idea what it meant.
The actual set symbol is likely a shape we would recognize.
A flying, tentacular shape.
The name being Eldritch moon and the symbol on the clue token looking like a moon with tentacles i think could be a huge spoiler, but after all the clues i think it would not be that suprizing
I think we can all agree on the fact that Wizards did not show us the expansion symbol because it would ruin the mystery plot, right? So it needs to answer the main question here, that is "Who or what is behind all of this?" and it must be clearly identifiable. Therefore, a Phyrexian-related symbol would be plausible if it were Phyrexia, an Eldrazi-related symbol would be plausible if it would be clear it actually is Eldrazi-related. The clue token symbol, however, is not that much of a dead giveaway - I think they could have shown it right away without spoiling anything (they would, however, fuel the discussions, which would be a good thing), so I don't think that's it.
That said, look at Liliana's Indignation. People seem to be ignoring the card, even though Jace is clearly accusing Liliana of something and he does seem to focus entirely on the investigation. I'm not jumping to conclusions, like other people around these parts of the internet tend to, I just want to point out that if Liliana (or, more likely, Chain Veil through Liliana as a vessel) is the culprit, using the Chain Veil as an expansion symbol would be 1) appropriate; 2) too much of a spoiler, since it would be easily identifiable.
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I'm not 100% sure of the story as it was left standing, but if I recall, Garruk was last seen 'walking away intent now on happily becoming a demon. Maybe his curse has spread and is starting to drive everyone on the plane mad?
Well, we're not getting any new info any time soon, unless they actually show us the symbol or just give us all the answers in today's story. I'm betting on Liliana/Chain Veil related symbol and nothing can change my mind (until the story progresses). Looking forward to saying "I told you so"
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I could see them not spoiling the set symbol (even an obvious one) for other reasons:
- Wanting us to focus on the present set.
- Wanting to keep a bit of mystery / staying on theme.
- Wanting the set symbol to be revealed by some puzzle later.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I think that they didn't show the set symbol not because it would shows what is the mystery. But because it would show what is NOT. For example, a symbol that has no connection with eldrazi could rule them out. (no matter how much i think that those eldrazi theories are being pushed...)
They want people to belive in anything and don't give direct clues on what is not a possibility.
Can I just say that clue token its is depicting what Jace sees in Epiphany at the Drownyard and the Drownyard Temple. Not sure if anybody noticed that. So, and I'm just assuming here, that what we're looking for isn't *on* the moon, but is being *pulled from* by the moon. Just speculating. It definetly is tentacles though.
Pulling for several different "clues" I believe the symbol on the clue token may be the set symbol. They have definitely set things up for a merit lage reprisal. The clue token symbol, the cult leader token, Engulf the shores (imho the biggest clue), gone missing, thing in the ice, epiphany at the drown yard, all seem to point in that direction. But I agree wizards probably wasn't the drazi speculation to continue and why not. There are several references to merit lage having cult followers.
Well, we're not getting any new info any time soon, unless they actually show us the symbol or just give us all the answers in today's story. I'm betting on Liliana/Chain Veil related symbol and nothing can change my mind (until the story progresses). Looking forward to saying "I told you so"
Ok, the bunch of you were right, I admit my defeat
Now, I still don't think that this is the best way to set the story. I actually think this is the worst possible way, but at least Wizards gave us something to complain about until autumn
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German highlander: BUG aggro control
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But here's why I don't think that symbol is, in fact, the symbol of EMN. Wizards purposely didn't reveal the symbol of EMN because they new it would reveal something huge about the set. There would be some big spoiler, which could reveal who or what was there. Had they revealed that same symbol in question when they revealed the set, what would be different today? Nothing. Because nothing is really known about the symbol. It seems likely that it is a depiction of Emrakul, but we don't know for sure. Therefore, if that was the symbol, Wizards would have lost nothing by revealing it when they announced the set. We didn't know what it was then, and we still don't really now.
Now, just for the sake of discussion, picture the symbol of New Phyrexia. That symbol is very iconic, especially since you always see it with Phyrexian mana. If that symbol, or part of it was revealed as part of a set symbol, we would immediately know that the Phyrexians were there. Now, I want to make clear that I don't think the Phyrexians are on Innistrad at all. Again, I was just using them as an example. I believe that whatever the set symbol is, it must have some immense significance and connection to other things, which is why we haven't seen it. If it was the symbol on the clue token, they would have revealed it already.
Update: Thanks to zetabass, I now know that the chain veil has "eldritch spirits" inside it. This link goes to a page about a 2010 novel with Liliana and Garruk. "But as the Veil takes hold of her, it's hard to tell if those voices in her head are her own, or the eldritch spirits of the Veil." We know that Liliana plays a huge role in EMN. Could the chain veil be the set symbol? If it was revealed, it would be quite the spoiler.
they'd have no issues with showing it to us,
as we'd have no idea what it meant.
The actual set symbol is likely a shape we would recognize.
A flying, tentacular shape.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
The name being Eldritch moon and the symbol on the clue token looking like a moon with tentacles i think could be a huge spoiler, but after all the clues i think it would not be that suprizing
That said, look at Liliana's Indignation. People seem to be ignoring the card, even though Jace is clearly accusing Liliana of something and he does seem to focus entirely on the investigation. I'm not jumping to conclusions, like other people around these parts of the internet tend to, I just want to point out that if Liliana (or, more likely, Chain Veil through Liliana as a vessel) is the culprit, using the Chain Veil as an expansion symbol would be 1) appropriate; 2) too much of a spoiler, since it would be easily identifiable.
BUG The Baron (it doesn't work, but I try anyway)
modern:
RGShaman Aggro
legacy:
UHigh Tide
German highlander:
BUG aggro control
EDH:
a positively unhealthy amount of decks
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That or Tibalt, and Tibalt would be a wild guess at this point.
BUG The Baron (it doesn't work, but I try anyway)
modern:
RGShaman Aggro
legacy:
UHigh Tide
German highlander:
BUG aggro control
EDH:
a positively unhealthy amount of decks
- Wanting us to focus on the present set.
- Wanting to keep a bit of mystery / staying on theme.
- Wanting the set symbol to be revealed by some puzzle later.
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Odyssey already kinda claimed that one
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Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
They want people to belive in anything and don't give direct clues on what is not a possibility.
"But as the Veil takes hold of her, it's hard to tell if those voices in her head are her own, or the eldritch spirits of the Veil"
Ok, the bunch of you were right, I admit my defeat
Now, I still don't think that this is the best way to set the story. I actually think this is the worst possible way, but at least Wizards gave us something to complain about until autumn
BUG The Baron (it doesn't work, but I try anyway)
modern:
RGShaman Aggro
legacy:
UHigh Tide
German highlander:
BUG aggro control
EDH:
a positively unhealthy amount of decks