She may slightly have a better go in this standard format than her previous. Only slightly. I want her reprinted, my only argument was her flavor from the first innistrad lined up really well regarding the choice she gave Thalia. Which was represented in her ultimate perfectly. Flavor wise the same card wouldn't make much sense unless she puts somebody in a similar situation in The next set.
Defiant Necromancer has the upper hand in both first and second abilities because first is +2 instead of +1 and standard decks tend to run way too many creature to make that Cruel Edict really relevant.
sure you need to transform her first, but even when you can do that easily, she's not gamebreaking, and in standard, Liliana of the Veil isn't even obviously better.
all that being said, Liliana of the Veil is in a desperate need for a reprint.
and she needs to be reprinted in a stupid large quantity.
right now her price tag is a joke.
I got my playset some years ago for around 50 dollars a piece.... when that starts to look like a crazy good deal for a magic card, you know something is REALLY wrong
A lot of this thread is very on point - her price tag is ludicrous(don't even ask me what I think about tarmogoyf, that 150 dollar trash is keeping me from playing my other wedge color in modern), but she is reprintable into a standard set. Very much so this set. I honestly think that reprinting her would drop her price not too much but *enough*, and I use that word loosely, and I do not think she would have significant impact on standard other than maybe making a B/x deck be not awful. Because as it stands our top tier standard decks are gw tokens, bant company, ur goggles.. and basically anything avacyn.dec.
I just really want black to get some love. I own 6 kalitases for a reason, I picked him up when everyone thought he was bad(14 or so each non foil and my foil for about 24) and immediately put him in my modern grixis control deck. But yeah. Maybe I'm biased because I play mono black in standard.
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A lot of this thread is very on point - her price tag is ludicrous.
I own 6 kalitases for a reason,
What would be your most logical course of action here, then?
I don't think you understand - three in my standard deck, three in my modern deck. They aren't just laying around waiting to be traded for an overpriced Liliana.
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With the recent attitude R&D has had reprinting modern staples in standard sets, I highly doubt it. Wizards isn't competent enough to rely on reprinting modern staples that players desperately need. Wizards SHOULD reprint cards like Delver of Secrets, Snapcaster Mage, and Liliana of the Veil in this block. But they care too much about standard and limited. BFZ block should have had the Zendikar fetches, Linvala and Goblin Guide reprinted. But they're stupidly not reprinting them and they neglected to put them in reprint only sets like Modern Masters, which they should have included in MM15 if they were too cautious to reprint them in standard sets.
Wizards is just doing a really piss poor job of reprinting staples. Modern prices are out of control and people buy up staples when they see they aren't being reprinted. Honestly having ten fetches in standard would have been way better than having five fetches and five fetchable duals, then we wouldn't have seen 4-5 color monstrosities. Decks would most likely have stuck to three colors at most. Whoever at R&D thought expeditions were a good enough reprint is a ******* idiot. They should have seriously made nonfoil expeditions that you also could have gotten a chance to get instead of one of the worthless mythics in the set.
We'll probably just get a new Liliana if she's even in the set, just like we got a new Linvala that we didn't need.
Wow, dude calm the **** down. From the top, Delver is like $2 dollars a copy so no need to reprint. Snapcaster Mage was a no go, no flashback. Still waiting on Liliana of the Vail, but a reprint could be in a 2nd eternal masters (Eternal masters is taking Modern Masters place). Fortunately her not being printed in M15 was only because of Thoughtseize being legal, her power level is high but not too strong for standard. Goblin Guide was format defining in standard and would have been again so they held it off for a Masters set. They printed the ally fetches in khans specifically so they did not have to print them in the 2nd Zendikar block, they never intended to print the other 5 in Zendikar. Don't have a good reason on Livala but I'm sure there is one. They also did the expeditions so there is that. Finally it would appease players who haven't got copies to just reprint all the valuable card whenever but would frustrate those who have collected them. It's a delicate balance and they are most certainly trying to perfect it, try some patience. Eternal Masters did a lot of well thought out reprints and I expect it to continue doing so moving forward. I'm sorry the system is against you personally at the moment, but in my opinion Wizards is doing a good job balancing reprints at the moment.
As much as I would love to play with LOTV and Kalitas and K.Command all at once in standard I just don't see it happening. We clearly will be getting a lilly and I hope she is 3 cmc as well but again its doubtful.
I think the possibility of LoTV in Eldritch Moon is real.
1) The current standard would fit her in well. There are lots of tokens to keep her -2 in check (think Lingering Souls in INN-RTR standard that kept her honest) and making your opponent discard isn't without risk with Madness in the format.
2) Thematically, she does have her chain veil in the story.
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I really don't think so.
Defiant Necromancer has the upper hand in both first and second abilities because first is +2 instead of +1 and standard decks tend to run way too many creature to make that Cruel Edict really relevant.
sure you need to transform her first, but even when you can do that easily, she's not gamebreaking, and in standard, Liliana of the Veil isn't even obviously better.
all that being said, Liliana of the Veil is in a desperate need for a reprint.
and she needs to be reprinted in a stupid large quantity.
right now her price tag is a joke.
I got my playset some years ago for around 50 dollars a piece.... when that starts to look like a crazy good deal for a magic card, you know something is REALLY wrong
I just really want black to get some love. I own 6 kalitases for a reason, I picked him up when everyone thought he was bad(14 or so each non foil and my foil for about 24) and immediately put him in my modern grixis control deck. But yeah. Maybe I'm biased because I play mono black in standard.
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What would be your most logical course of action here, then?
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I don't think you understand - three in my standard deck, three in my modern deck. They aren't just laying around waiting to be traded for an overpriced Liliana.
Meh
Modern
BUWEsper ControlWUB
BRUGrixis DelverURB
WRBGKiki ChordGBRW
WBGAbzan MidrangeGBW
BRGJundGRB
Legacy
UBRGrixis DelverRBU
Commander
Also meh
Wizards is just doing a really piss poor job of reprinting staples. Modern prices are out of control and people buy up staples when they see they aren't being reprinted. Honestly having ten fetches in standard would have been way better than having five fetches and five fetchable duals, then we wouldn't have seen 4-5 color monstrosities. Decks would most likely have stuck to three colors at most. Whoever at R&D thought expeditions were a good enough reprint is a ******* idiot. They should have seriously made nonfoil expeditions that you also could have gotten a chance to get instead of one of the worthless mythics in the set.
We'll probably just get a new Liliana if she's even in the set, just like we got a new Linvala that we didn't need.
1) The current standard would fit her in well. There are lots of tokens to keep her -2 in check (think Lingering Souls in INN-RTR standard that kept her honest) and making your opponent discard isn't without risk with Madness in the format.
2) Thematically, she does have her chain veil in the story.
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