MTG Salvation

EDIT: started to add what people are speculating here and in other threads gradually.

EDIT2: What do you think about adding the cards here? should I continue or stop?

We're getting a bunch of reprints in july, 269 more precisely. While one might have quite a wishlist of cards to fulfill, let's get to some odds of what we are trully getting (based on both MM2 and KTK - the last set with the same card number of EMA):

15 mythic rares
2 blue (force of will + ???) maybe: upheaval, show and tell, Temporal Manipulation/time warp, Jace, the Mindsculptor
2 green - sylvan library, natural order, Titania, Protector of Argoth, Berserk, Liege of the Tangle, Craterhoof Behemoth
2 black - Imperial Seal, Necropotence
2 red - Worldgorger Dragon, Dragon Tyrant, Feldon of the Third Path, Past in Flames, Scourge of the Throne
2 white - Stoneforge Mystic, Ravages Of War, Worship
2 multicolored - Maelstrom Wanderer
2 artifacts - Mana Crypt, Umezawa's Jitte, Crucible of Worlds
1 land rishadan port, Dark Depths

53-56 rares
7 blue - Lord of Atlantis, Flusterstorm, True-Name Nemesis, Mind's Desire, March of the machines, Legacy's Allure, Evacuation, Cunning Wish, Collective Restraint, Opposition, Back to Basics

7 green - Green Sun's Zenith, Living Wish, Glimpse of nature, norwood priestess, Concordant Crossroads, burgeoning, Seedborn Muse, Mirri's Guile, greater good, Kaysa, Spike Weaver, Lady Zhurong, Warrior Queen, Ifh-Bíff Efreet, Hermit Druid, Genesis, Kamahl, Fist of Krosa, Terravore, Xantid Swarm, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Dawnstrider, oath of druids

7 black - Toxic Deluge, Death Wish, Cruel Tutor/Demonic Tutor/Grim Tutor/Vampiric tutor/Diabolic Intent, conspiracy, Cabal Patriarch, Cabal Therapy, Braids, cabal Minion, Zombie Master, Nightscape Master, Oppression, Attrition

7 red - Sneak Attack, Burning Wish, Burning of Xinye, Goblin Welder, Blood Moon, Gamble, Moggcatcher, Mana Echoes, Warrior's Oath, Chaos Warp, Preyseizer Dragon, Repercussion, Seize the Day, Stranglehold,wave of destruction, Aggravated Assault, Dualcaster Mage, Goblin General, Gratuitous ViolenceJokulhaups, Land's Edge,Mana-Charged Dragon, Repercussion, Goblin Lackey

7 white Containment Priest, Golden Wish, Land Tax, Mother of Runes,Cataclysm, Balance, Exalted Angel, Cornered Market, Mageta the Lion, Serene Master, Angel of the Dire Hour, Auriok Champion, Council's Judgment, Gift of Estates, Island Sanctuary, Karmic Guide, Orim's Chant, Unexpectedly Absent, Weathered Wayfarer, Pianna, Nomad captain

7-10 multicolored Meddling Mage, Vindicate, Baleful Strix, Deathrite Shaman Glittering Wish, Gaddock Teeg, Soltari Guerrillas, Overabundance, Bladewing The Risen, Hanna, Ship's Navigator, hunting grounds, Pernicious Deed, Destructive Flow

5-7 artifacts - Sensei's Divining Top, Black Vise, Defense Grid, Æther Vial, Planar Portal, Tangle Wire, Teferi's Puzzle Box, Mana Vault

5-7 lands (wasteland goes here) maybe: enemy fetchlands cycle, odissey filterlands cycle, karakas, cavern of souls, Petrified Field, Maze of Ith, Ancient Tomb, Glacial Chasm, Phyrexian Tower, Dust Bowl

81-90 uncommons
+/- 10 of each (lands probably less and more gold cards)
Blue - Long-Term Plans, windfall, Turnabout, Personal Tutor/ Mystical Tutor, Foil, Sea Drake, War Tax, Æther Storm, Energy Flux
Green - elvish spirit guide, Sylvan Tutor/Worldly Tutor, argothian elder, Constant Mists, Stampede Driver, Reincarnation, Skyshroud Elite, Wirewood Symbiote, Snake Pit, Nature's Chosen
black - Animate Dead, Grave Defiler, Outbreak, Cruel Bargain, Mercenary Knight, Buried Alive, Ashes to Ashes, Hymn to Tourach, Reanimate
Red - Fledgling Dragon, imperial recruiter, Price of Progress, Pillage, Goblin Bombardment, Flameshot, Goblin Matron, Goblin Ringleader
White - Loyal Retainers, Enlightened Tutor, Enlistment Officer, Astral Slide, Silver Knight, Dust to Dust, Abolish, Exile
Artifact - Lotus Petal, Rackling, Shield Sphere
gold - Shardless agent, Bloodbraid Elf, Sterling Grove, Edgewalker, Gerrard's Verdict, Cauldron Dance
land - Unholy Grotto, Riptide Laboratory, Wirewood Lodge, Cabal Coffers

108ish commons
+/- 15 of each, (less land, multicolored and artifacts then the rest)
White - Standard Bearer, Coalition Honor Guard, benevolent bodyguard, soul warden, Prismatic Strands, Order of Leitbur, Second Thoughts, Mystic Zealot, Benevolent Unicorn, Empyrial Armor
Green - three visits, Quirion Ranger, Wild Mongrel, Vitalize, Thresher Beast, Basking Rootwalla, Rancor, Land Grant, Werebear, Fyndhorn Elves, Yavimaya Elder, Crop Rotation
Blue - high tide, counterspell, Rhystic Study, brainstorm, Disrupt, Rishadan Cutpurse, Cloud of Faeries, Arcane Denial, Careful Study, Circular Logic, Flux, Daze, Gush, Portent, Capsize, Memory Lapse
Red - Chain Lightning, Kobolds of Kher Keep, Flame Rift, Mogg Conscripts, Molten Rain, Lava Dart, Goblin Grenade, Firebolt
Black - Innocent Blood, Dark Ritual, Dark Banishing, Culling the Weak, Bubbling Muck, Chainer's Edict, Order of the Ebon Hand, Exhume, Carrion Feeder, Sinkhole
Gold - Cavern Harpy, Armadillo Cloak, Goblin Legionnaire

- Considerations:

EMA is a set projected for not only legacy and vintage players, but also commander players, pauper, collectors and there might be something for Wizard's favorite kid, modern.

It is the perfect chance to reprint some crap cards that are hard to find, such as starter and portal sets cards, aswell as commander-decks-only cards with a chance to be foil. People just love that.

Vintage masters was some kinda test for EMA, i suppose, so expect some of those cards launched online to be in here

They won't reprint every damm thing that is trully playable right away, they will milk most of it with EM2 and a possible EM3, jut like MM. The odds are 30-50 actual goodies, the rest is draft crap, cards only to improve market availability or niche cards at best.

Personal bets on what is coming:

- since the 1st blue mythic slot is an instant, 2nd is a probably a permanent, maybe even a planeswalker (jace and teferi, looking at you), minor chance of being a sorcery too (no mana drain this time).
- mana crypt needs an actual set print for ages, don't waste this chance Wizards, please.
- That said, if both fow AND mana crypt are in, natural order is probably out (see you as a mythic in EM2, I hope)
- That Myriad sword too, maybe the full myriad cicle
- dredge decks might get something too
- Probably tribal-themed

I really don't know what else of specific cards to expect, what you guys believe?

Moved to Speculation.

I was totally fine until the end, and then-

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I think the distribution of Modern Masters 2015 lead us to consider
Terastodon

No. Just... NO.
That card doesn't need to be reprinted for another twelve years.
There are *plenty* of janky Green rares that need a reprint before that does.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a planeswalker cycle at mythic.


Jace the mindsculpter, Lilliana of the veil, Elspeth knight-errant and...uh...a red one and a green one.

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I was totally fine until the end, and then-

Quote from Downdala »

I think the distribution of Modern Masters 2015 lead us to consider
Terastodon

No. Just... NO.
That card doesn't need to be reprinted for another twelve years.
There are *plenty* of janky Green rares that need a reprint before that does.

terastodon or wolfbriar elemental, pick one, because one is definitely getting reprinted seeing how much wizards loves these cards

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I'd be surprised if there wasn't a planeswalker cycle at mythic.


Jace the mindsculpter, Lilliana of the veil, Elspeth knight-errant and...uh...a red one and a green one.

I would be surprised if there is honestly. Only Jace, the Mindsculptor makes sense here, maybe Bolas if they want to get flavorous. Planeswalkers that will be on Modern Masters 3 are definitely out in my opinion. I think the set would be better if it feels a little "Old World order" also, which rules out planeswalker(it's just my point of view but still). Jace also is a chase card and blue already has one . I think it would be better with some chase cards in other colors. I also think Upheaval is the number one card they have to reprint when they announce "cube staples", and it has to be mythic.

Upheaval was already reprinted in FTV: Annihilation, and that's not a card that needs frequent reprints. Evacuation needs a reprint more than Upheaval does.
Mind's Desire, Show and Tell, or Temporal Manipulation would make a much better Blue Mythic, IMO.

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G (6):

• Green Sun's Zenith
  
• Glimpse of nature
  
• Oracle of Mul Daya
  
• Ezuri, renegade leader
  
• Fauna Shaman
  
• Terastodon

You managed to pull some cards that actually see play in cross formats and are balanced, but none printed prior to 8th edition/mirrodin. Since they stated that EMA would include cards most from sets prior to modern, i highly doubt more than 2 of these will make the cut (certainly not ezuri, fauna shaman they might save for MM3 or conspiracy stuff).

As for green mythics, I hope that glimpse of nature gets the mythic spot, and sylvan library gets to be rare, like commander arsenal.

The other mythic will definetly be a creature, no traditional set with mythic rarity goes without a single green creature in a slot, maybe Titania, Protector of Argoth.

For rares there are Argothian Enchantress, Kamahl, Fist of Krosa Lady Zhurong, Warrior Queen, Spike Weaver, Ifh-Bíff Efreet, Terravore, Xantid Swarm,Hermit Druid and Genesis.

My hopes are Kaysa, norwood priestess and Spike Weaver at least, with Green Sun's Zenith too.

Not sure if it helps the case or hurts it, but Wizards was trying to fit inquisition of Kosilek in Oath. I would hope that when they determined it wouldnt fit in Oath, they then put it in EMA. I just hope it doesnt get a bump in rarity.

I'm guessing the Hideaway land cycle will be in. Windbrisk Heights would fit after Wasteland.

I just hope for Imperial Recruiter. Granted as someone mentioned, Imperial Seal and other cards from starter and portal would be awesome.

I second Imperial Recruiter.
I am hoping for Chain Lightning.

There's almost no way any portal cards will be included. EV would be way too high. Though I am TOTALLY in agreement they need a reprint to come down.

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There's almost no way any portal cards will be included. EV would be way too high. Though I am TOTALLY in agreement they need a reprint to come down.

I'm assuming you're specifically referring to P3K? History has shown that reprints of those cards are not worth anywhere *near* the originals.
Imperial Seal might be a bit out of their comfort zone, but I could see many others, including Imperial Recruiter.

My personal hopes for the set are Damnation and Karakas, especially the first but please leave them rare. After that I hope we get plenty of the Portal cards in so they stop being so rare for little reason. It would be great if Jace 2 saw print again, but after all of that I don't have anything specific, just as long as the set is good enough.

As for my bet, this is going to be like MM2 and I'm going to hate it, but still buy two boxes for no reason.

Lets put it this way: if a card is worth more than ~100 dollars, don't expect it in this set. Force of will, Port, and JTMS will be the top of the curve. Even if the reprinted p3k cards were a third of the price they are now, they're still ridiculously high. I personally would like the value spread as far as possible, so I'm hoping, as much as I need a seal for my edh deck, that no p3k cards show up, as that'll be a great excuse for them to not include much else good in the set.

Possible Mythics

1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Dark Depths
1 Rishadan Port
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Force of Will
1 Show and Tell
1 Griselbrand
1 Grim Tutor
1 Goblin Guide
1 Worldgorger Dragon
1 Terminus
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Berserk

Imperial R is not a bad bet- used in painter, which is a very accessible deck RE reserved list cards, and has draft applications. But only if the set does not have too much value- it is not a wish list for Legacy, it won't be too heavy in cash. If port, force and recruiter all showed up that would be 3 "top dollar" mythics, I would expect a couple of other mythics that are very good for commander but not expensive, and some draft only ones.

You know Karakas was an uncommon right?

Quote from elrond943 »

Lets put it this way: if a card is worth more than ~100 dollars, don't expect it in this set. Force of will, Port, and JTMS will be the top of the curve. Even if the reprinted p3k cards were a third of the price they are now, they're still ridiculously high. I personally would like the value spread as far as possible, so I'm hoping, as much as I need a seal for my edh deck, that no p3k cards show up, as that'll be a great excuse for them to not include much else good in the set.

Portal cards are pricy because they are rare and the original printings would remain so. Compare the prices of Burning of Xinye and Rolling Earthquake, both from the Portal Three Kingdoms and both reprinted in FTV: Annihilation. The FTV printings both lie around $5, whereas the P3K printings are both above $75.

Imperial recruiter should not be mythic if it's in this set. It will do nothing to help drive down the price, and the card isn't mythic worthy. Sure it's very powerful being a red creature tutor on a stick, but rare is appropriate.

Honestly, I'm hoping to see a reprint of Unholy Grotto and maybe some other interesting onslaught oddities so there's some draft tribal play going on. Zombies would be an easy one for a draft tournament to pull off and the same could be said of legacy merfolk, elves, and goblins. Only issue is that I think we had confirmed enemy fetches being reprinted, though maybe I'm mixing something up from earlier as there was that big fake leak list a while back.

Simple, Random High dollar Mythics to sell the set, 3-5 decent rares, followed by crap in the name of a fun limited experience, or and 1 or 2 decent common/uncommon cards as well.

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Simple, Random High dollar Mythics to sell the set, 3-5 decent rares, followed by crap in the name of a fun limited experience, or and 1 or 2 decent common/uncommon cards as well.

They are discretely highly promoting cube recently on the mothership, with I think 3 articles in the last two weeks suggesting you should build/design your own cubes.
The announcement page for eternal masters explicitely speaks about "cube staples". I think most of the rares in the format will be anchors of the MTGO holiday cube. Bulk anchors are semilocks in my opinion. That is why I predicted upheaval as the other blue mythic.

I think classic cube archetypes are going to be archetypes here and lead to both money and bulk reprints. Some choices like ravages of War vs. Armaggeddon will certainly be driven only by adjusting the EV of a pack, and we should have a lot of rarity upgrades (mom, baleful stryx, shardless agent etc...)

My prediction remains the same, all the money except a few will be mythics. Just a few rares worth anything. It is made to draft, which is the excuse they love to give for making cards mythic, which in products like this and MM2015 means the high power money cards. For a pack that cost $10. I would even call a rare worth $2.50 or so bulk. You crack a rare worth $5 you are still a loser, still lost half your money. It would be the same as opening a $.50 rare in a regular pack. Maybe I will be wrong, and they will have a decent number of rares worth money, of course then stores will just chars $15-$25 a pack, whatever they feel the EV is.... And I remember reading the print run is something along the lines of Modern Masters, not Modern Masters 2015, that would only drive the price up more...

And you could be right Upheaval could be a Mythic here, It would be the Comet Storm of the set.

If a lot of the EV is due to P3K cards though, then the "real" EV will likely be a lot lower than what can initially be calculated, since the EMA versions can be expected to be worth much less than the originals.

EDIT: ALso, from the predictions earlier: Wheel of Fortune is reserved listed.

I know nothing out of the RL is coming in EMA but still day-dreaming of lands, seeing Wasteland spoiled and EMA being intended to be played as draft leads me to think Crucible of worlds will most likely get a reprint @rare. Zen fetches might be there aswell cause of crucible, but which lands is wasteland there for? Karoos? Taplands?

I don't think we'll see port @mythic, maybe in EM2.

I'm surely hoping for some P3K, but I don't think we'll get much from that. Maybe recruiter at best. :/