At the end of the Innistrad block, Avacyn was released and things were looking up for the humans, right? That was my reasoning at that point, and because of that, there was a card in Avacyn Restored that didn't make much sense to me at the time; now it does. Exhibit A is Mad Prophet from Avacyn Restored. When the humans are beating back the darkness for the first time ever, why would a shaman be talking madness about the moon?
Based on the clues... and what we know from Shadows over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon, I think I finally get it now. Let's look at the quote. "There's no heron in the moon! It's a shrew, a five-legged shrew, with a voice like whispering thunder! We know that madness is a mechanic in Shadows, and that something is going on with the moon. A shrew is a woman with a terrible temper. We also know that Emrakul is a "she." Emrakul is normally depicted with four "hands" for lack of the better word, but multiple tentacles. Four isn't five, but the point may be that the "woman in the moon has many appendages." Emrakul can also cause madness and terror in living things, which may be why the "Mad Prophet" is talking about her- she's already driven him crazy.
Now I'm not an expert in the timing of the stories, but it's my understanding that after Rise of the Eldrazi, the titans could flee if they so chose. Ulamog and Kozilek decided to stay on Zendikar. We haven't heard from Emrakul. For my theory to be correct, Emrakul would have to have left Zendikar and get to Innistrad at some point near the end of Avacyn Restored. Avacyn becoming free most likely takes place at the beginning of the story arc, and the Mad Prophet card could be depicting events at the end, which could explain why we didn't have more examples of "madness" on Innistrad. I know Wizards plans these sets years in advance. Maybe, just maybe, they were giving us hints at what was to come four years ago.
Update 1: based on the talk of Marit Lage, I figured I'd do some research and add her to the theory. Marit Lage is described as having thundering steps, while the Mad prophet references a "thundering voice." She's an extremely powerful sorcerer of gigantic stature, with multiple tentacles like Emrakul. Her token card from Coldsnap was a 20/20. The Coldsnap prerelease reveal called Marit the "biggest, baddest, most eldritch creature token in history." "Wrath of Marit Lage" states that her dreams take shape in our world. So, she could be asleep in the seas of Nephalia, dreaming up new horrors for Innistrad, which would make sense since that's where the new cults seem to be springing up (from SOI Sanguinary Mage). If you look closely at Mad Prophet's art, there are sails in the background, which would imply that he is probably at Nephalia. Lage also had her own cults on other worlds that she's been on. In Shadows over Innsmouth, the townspeople worship the "deep ones;" creatures from beneath the sea. The cultists of Nephalia may be replacing the people of Innsmouth in "Shadows over Innistrad," with Marit Lage replacing the "Deep Ones."
Update 2: The Mad Prophet's art is actually called "deranged soothsayer," which leaves no doubt that he is seeing something terrible in Innistrad's future.
Now this is getting into crazy territory, but I've uploaded a higher resolution picture of The Mad Prophet's paper. Take that image and flip it upside down. You get what looks like two dots horizontally on a face and one dot underneath it like a nose. Then look at the art for Marit Lage. It looks like a very close version, drawn by someone insane, right? The lines spiraling up could be her tentacles. Plus, while the paper is upside down, there appears to be a figure with wings in the upper left hand corner. It could be Avacyn, but her figure is smeared, which could suggest that something has happened to her. It also looks like there is a figure standing to the right of her.
Update 3: I reached out to Wayne Reynolds about the Prophet's paper. He said that it was just gibberish. At the same time, if there was something there, it's doubtful that he would say anything, as Wizards probably wouldn't be too happy about it, but I'm going to take Wayne at his word.
"The symbols on the parchment held by the Mad Prophet are gibberish. The art description requested that the symbols should look esoteric but shouldn't mean anything.
However, I think it's cool that you interpreted the symbols in that way. The angels shapes that you see are very appropriate, but purely coincidental. I think the scientific name for it is "pareidolia" - Where people often see faces and animal shapes in random patterns.
Best regards
Wayne Reynolds
WAR"
So the Prophet's paper is out, but we still have the quote.
Update 4: We'll find out what's in this image next week most likely, but any guesses as to what it is.
And while we're at it, why not look at another example of Wizards using the words of famous authors. Next week's magic article, (the one that picture belongs to) is called "A Gaze Blank and Pitiless." Where does that quote come from? It comes from the great Irish poet William Butler Yeats' poem, "The Second Coming." Here it is in full. Obviously they chose that quote for a reason. Let's look at the poem and see what we can find.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
So from the poem we know that innocence is lost and anarchy reigns, which makes sense since madness has fallen on Innistrad, and the angels are turning ruthless. "Innocence being drowned" could be used, but we'll see. The best lack conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. This could refer to Thraben maybe not taking these issues seriously, while the Werewolves (typically evil) are passionate about saving the plane from some great terror on the way (as evidenced by today's story article). In the second stanza Keats or the narrator says that it must be the second coming. As far as magic players are concerned, could this be the second coming of the Eldrazi- if Emrakul is on Innistrad, with Zendikar being the first? Out of his mind he sees a vast wasteland. Wizards could connect this to the wastes that the Eldrazi leave behind. The description of the monster could be used, but clearly its "blank and pitiless gaze" is the most important line- it's the reason why Wizards named the next article what they did.
The last stanza states that darkness falls again, which could refer to the "shadow" in SOI casting the land into total darkness, while a beast is about to be born. Wizards could use the beast as anything. Yeats wrote the poem to refer to World War I, but obviously whoever decided that the poem fit the story for SOI must have seen parts of SOI's story in it, hence the use of the quote from the poem as the title for next week's story article. Time will tell just how much we can pull from Yeats' poem and connect it to SOI.
Normally I don't buy into conspiracy theory stuff but... wow, that actually makes sense. Unless someone can come along and give us some good canon story line that says straight up that it's impossible, I would say this seems like it's plausible, and pretty cool if true. However, I still really hope emrakul has nothing to do with innistrad.
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Shrews are also small rodents. Also: Emrakul isn't a she Emeria was. The Innistradi wouldn't have any reason to think of Emrakul as female.
Yeah, I'm not sure about the woman part either for this reason. This isn't the first time I've heard this theory, though. A friend brought it up a couple days ago. What really sells it for me is, "with a voice like whispering thunder!" Emrakul has this aura of silence around her that oppresses all sound. Whispering thunder seems an extremely good description. And complete silence like that can be a very maddening experience.
Very true about Emrakul having no gender. However, assuming the Mad Prophet is hearing voices, and it appears he is, he would most likely associate gender with the type of voice he is hearing. If he believes that he is hearing a voice that he would typically associate with a woman, this whispering thunder, it makes sense that he would think that Emrakul is female.
But honestly, I don't buy this back-to-back two blocks both having Eldrazi as main villains, because that would either mean both blocks have a similar feel, or Innistrad's gameplay has nothing to do with Emrakul, and she's there just because, which would be weird.
I hear this claim all the time, but it is simply not true. That's like saying two human villains would mean such a similar feel. But it is already established by Word of God that Emrakul's brood is the smallest, so a set revolving around Emrakul alone would likely not recreate the "open war" feel of Battle for Zendikar - since Emrakul would not act through an army of lesser Eldrazi.
The whole point of the Zendikar story in general was that physical form is not the natural state of Eldrazi anyway, so that is why people reasonably expect their representation to change to resemble their Lovecraftian inspiration more than their comic book inspiration.
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Wow, I didn't even know who Marit Lage was, but I'd say it makes a lot of sense for the prophet to be talking about her too. She's Lovecraftian, has a cult, and some of her quotes have mirrored Cthulhu. We also know that there's a new Nephalian cult that worships ancient forces; I could see it being either at this point. Thanks for the info!
Has there Ever bin discussion about where and when the Scene described by the Folowing card happened?
I mean the most obvious assumption is that it depicts a moment before the Eldrazi got freed, but is there any proof for that?
It's part of Nissa's backstory. She journeyed across Zendikar when she came across the place where the Eldrazi titans were bound and had a vision of them, which is what ignited her spark and sent her to Lorwyn.
Prophets can predict far into the future, so Emrakul does not have to be free and affecting Innistrad during ISD for Mad Prophet to have the visions. I do like this theory a lot though. WOTC has done many one-card plot hints in the past. We really should be looking for them at this point.
I'm still curious how Marit Lage will be worked into all this. I don't expect her to be a natural Eldrazi.
I like the theory that Mad Prophet is a hint. But I think the words 'five-legged' kind of point away from Ol'Emrakul. Are there any five-legged beings in the Multiverse? Or maybe it means that there are five of those shrews.
Emrakul could certainly be pointed at by Mad Prophet, good catch.
Marit Lage would be another option, certainly.
If you want to go into serious conspiracy theory territory, the Mad Prophet's scroll has a likeness of Liliana's headdress, which she got from an Angel in Innistrad, right?
Wow, I didn't even know who Marit Lage was, but I'd say it makes a lot of sense for the prophet to be talking about her too. She's Lovecraftian, has a cult, and some of her quotes have mirrored Cthulhu. We also know that there's a new Nephalian cult that worships ancient forces; I could see it being either at this point. Thanks for the info!
As mentioned by other users, Emrakul arriving at Innistrad makes sense from a storyline perspective. But I appreciate the idea that whatever is hiding inside the moon has been there from the very beginning. Besides, it's just too amusing to imagine Jace and the Gatewatch cracking open the moon, finding Marit Lage instead of Emrakul, and going "Oops, sorry, wrong Eldritch Horror."
I like the theory that Mad Prophet is a hint. But I think the words 'five-legged' kind of point away from Ol'Emrakul. Are there any five-legged beings in the Multiverse? Or maybe it means that there are five of those shrews.
The thing about the mad prophet trope in horror stories is that he's pretty much always right, even if he's unable to communicate his vision clearly and ends up being mocked as a result. The Cabin in the Woods, for example, played with this trope in a similar humorous manner as this card does. It's likely that a five-legged shrew with a voice as whispering thunder is all his frail mind could make up of the incomprehensible horror he saw, counting up only to five "legs" before going insane and start hearing voices.
And 'Marit Lage' is an anagram of 'A Grim Tale' which fits the flavour of Innistrad perfectly *and* could be a nod to the dark European tales of the Grimm brothers. It all points to Marit Lage being sealed in the moon, I tell you!
The theory of Marit Lage seems to fit better than Emrakul IMO, we are moving from Zendikar to Innistrad, i dont know you guys but i dont wanna see Eldrazis on Innistrad, that would break the story/courseline of the world. Of course... like was said, it still misses the Black Mana on the gatewatch, but i dont think Lily would join them that easily, she cares too much with herself to make a stand for something that is not of her interest.
Isn't Marit Lage from Dominaria? You know, entombed in a glacier from the Ice Age? She's not an Eldrazi, so she can't just walk through the Blind Eternities to Innistrad, and I don't believe there was ever the slightest hinting of her getting a spark.
As much as I'd like to see her again, there seems to be little reasoning in her being on an entirely new plane.
I will admit, I have been considering about Marit Lage lately myself, lately. I didn't think it actually possible but now I do.
I will say though, once the initial excitement wears off, replacing Emrakul with Marit Lage doesn't really seem to fix any of the problems folks see with that idea. Not sure you'll find many converts.
Just noticed she also has FLYING. As in Shadows over Innistrad.
Hope you're right. I think Marit Lage does give them the opportunity to do an even MORE Cthulhu monster than Emrakul and I have absolutely NO problem with any of that.
But, correct me if im wrong but(i dont know too much of the old historyline of magic)... does Marit Lage have a specific lore? By the card design shows us a very bizzare tentacle monster that resembles a Eldrazi.
That way it can possible walk trought the blind eternities to reach innistrad...
I doubt they're pulling a Nicol Bolas with Marit Lage. How many new fans are going to look at Marit Lage and say "Oh, yeah!"? Emrakul at least has been built up in BFZ's story so there's some expectation to see her in the near future.
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According to the wiki Marit lage was NOT from Dominaria just trapped there. And apparently she was able to travel the planes but wasn't a planeswalker.
According to the wiki Marit lage was NOT from Dominaria just trapped there. And apparently she was able to travel the planes but wasn't a planeswalker.
So... according to that, it is possible that Marit Lage could be a Eldrazi.
So... according to that, it is possible that Marit Lage could be a Eldrazi.
Well... maybe. I don't think they planned the eldrazi back then. We have evidence that points to there being more than 3 Eldrazi. However given the nature of the Eldrazi do you really think that if Marit Lage were one she would be so easily trapped in a glacier?
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Based on the clues... and what we know from Shadows over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon, I think I finally get it now. Let's look at the quote. "There's no heron in the moon! It's a shrew, a five-legged shrew, with a voice like whispering thunder! We know that madness is a mechanic in Shadows, and that something is going on with the moon. A shrew is a woman with a terrible temper. We also know that Emrakul is a "she." Emrakul is normally depicted with four "hands" for lack of the better word, but multiple tentacles. Four isn't five, but the point may be that the "woman in the moon has many appendages." Emrakul can also cause madness and terror in living things, which may be why the "Mad Prophet" is talking about her- she's already driven him crazy.
Now I'm not an expert in the timing of the stories, but it's my understanding that after Rise of the Eldrazi, the titans could flee if they so chose. Ulamog and Kozilek decided to stay on Zendikar. We haven't heard from Emrakul. For my theory to be correct, Emrakul would have to have left Zendikar and get to Innistrad at some point near the end of Avacyn Restored. Avacyn becoming free most likely takes place at the beginning of the story arc, and the Mad Prophet card could be depicting events at the end, which could explain why we didn't have more examples of "madness" on Innistrad. I know Wizards plans these sets years in advance. Maybe, just maybe, they were giving us hints at what was to come four years ago.
Update 1: based on the talk of Marit Lage, I figured I'd do some research and add her to the theory. Marit Lage is described as having thundering steps, while the Mad prophet references a "thundering voice." She's an extremely powerful sorcerer of gigantic stature, with multiple tentacles like Emrakul. Her token card from Coldsnap was a 20/20. The Coldsnap prerelease reveal called Marit the "biggest, baddest, most eldritch creature token in history." "Wrath of Marit Lage" states that her dreams take shape in our world. So, she could be asleep in the seas of Nephalia, dreaming up new horrors for Innistrad, which would make sense since that's where the new cults seem to be springing up (from SOI Sanguinary Mage). If you look closely at Mad Prophet's art, there are sails in the background, which would imply that he is probably at Nephalia. Lage also had her own cults on other worlds that she's been on. In Shadows over Innsmouth, the townspeople worship the "deep ones;" creatures from beneath the sea. The cultists of Nephalia may be replacing the people of Innsmouth in "Shadows over Innistrad," with Marit Lage replacing the "Deep Ones."
Update 2: The Mad Prophet's art is actually called "deranged soothsayer," which leaves no doubt that he is seeing something terrible in Innistrad's future.
Now this is getting into crazy territory, but I've uploaded a higher resolution picture of The Mad Prophet's paper. Take that image and flip it upside down. You get what looks like two dots horizontally on a face and one dot underneath it like a nose. Then look at the art for Marit Lage. It looks like a very close version, drawn by someone insane, right? The lines spiraling up could be her tentacles. Plus, while the paper is upside down, there appears to be a figure with wings in the upper left hand corner. It could be Avacyn, but her figure is smeared, which could suggest that something has happened to her. It also looks like there is a figure standing to the right of her.
Also, in 2014, Mark Rosewater was asked if we would ever see Marit Lage again. He responded with, "Who hear would like to hear more from Marit Lage?" (not a typo).
Update 3: I reached out to Wayne Reynolds about the Prophet's paper. He said that it was just gibberish. At the same time, if there was something there, it's doubtful that he would say anything, as Wizards probably wouldn't be too happy about it, but I'm going to take Wayne at his word.
"The symbols on the parchment held by the Mad Prophet are gibberish. The art description requested that the symbols should look esoteric but shouldn't mean anything.
However, I think it's cool that you interpreted the symbols in that way. The angels shapes that you see are very appropriate, but purely coincidental. I think the scientific name for it is "pareidolia" - Where people often see faces and animal shapes in random patterns.
Best regards
Wayne Reynolds
WAR"
So the Prophet's paper is out, but we still have the quote.
Update 4: We'll find out what's in this image next week most likely, but any guesses as to what it is.
And while we're at it, why not look at another example of Wizards using the words of famous authors. Next week's magic article, (the one that picture belongs to) is called "A Gaze Blank and Pitiless." Where does that quote come from? It comes from the great Irish poet William Butler Yeats' poem, "The Second Coming." Here it is in full. Obviously they chose that quote for a reason. Let's look at the poem and see what we can find.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
So from the poem we know that innocence is lost and anarchy reigns, which makes sense since madness has fallen on Innistrad, and the angels are turning ruthless. "Innocence being drowned" could be used, but we'll see. The best lack conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. This could refer to Thraben maybe not taking these issues seriously, while the Werewolves (typically evil) are passionate about saving the plane from some great terror on the way (as evidenced by today's story article). In the second stanza Keats or the narrator says that it must be the second coming. As far as magic players are concerned, could this be the second coming of the Eldrazi- if Emrakul is on Innistrad, with Zendikar being the first? Out of his mind he sees a vast wasteland. Wizards could connect this to the wastes that the Eldrazi leave behind. The description of the monster could be used, but clearly its "blank and pitiless gaze" is the most important line- it's the reason why Wizards named the next article what they did.
The last stanza states that darkness falls again, which could refer to the "shadow" in SOI casting the land into total darkness, while a beast is about to be born. Wizards could use the beast as anything. Yeats wrote the poem to refer to World War I, but obviously whoever decided that the poem fit the story for SOI must have seen parts of SOI's story in it, hence the use of the quote from the poem as the title for next week's story article. Time will tell just how much we can pull from Yeats' poem and connect it to SOI.
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An enigma as vexing as life itself.
Although, to be honest, I'd rather have a different woman with many appendages and thundering attributes in the moon.
I hear this claim all the time, but it is simply not true. That's like saying two human villains would mean such a similar feel. But it is already established by Word of God that Emrakul's brood is the smallest, so a set revolving around Emrakul alone would likely not recreate the "open war" feel of Battle for Zendikar - since Emrakul would not act through an army of lesser Eldrazi.
The whole point of the Zendikar story in general was that physical form is not the natural state of Eldrazi anyway, so that is why people reasonably expect their representation to change to resemble their Lovecraftian inspiration more than their comic book inspiration.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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I'm still curious how Marit Lage will be worked into all this. I don't expect her to be a natural Eldrazi.
Marit Lage would be another option, certainly.
If you want to go into serious conspiracy theory territory, the Mad Prophet's scroll has a likeness of Liliana's headdress, which she got from an Angel in Innistrad, right?
As mentioned by other users, Emrakul arriving at Innistrad makes sense from a storyline perspective. But I appreciate the idea that whatever is hiding inside the moon has been there from the very beginning. Besides, it's just too amusing to imagine Jace and the Gatewatch cracking open the moon, finding Marit Lage instead of Emrakul, and going "Oops, sorry, wrong Eldritch Horror."
The thing about the mad prophet trope in horror stories is that he's pretty much always right, even if he's unable to communicate his vision clearly and ends up being mocked as a result. The Cabin in the Woods, for example, played with this trope in a similar humorous manner as this card does. It's likely that a five-legged shrew with a voice as whispering thunder is all his frail mind could make up of the incomprehensible horror he saw, counting up only to five "legs" before going insane and start hearing voices.
As much as I'd like to see her again, there seems to be little reasoning in her being on an entirely new plane.
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I will say though, once the initial excitement wears off, replacing Emrakul with Marit Lage doesn't really seem to fix any of the problems folks see with that idea. Not sure you'll find many converts.
Just noticed she also has FLYING. As in Shadows over Innistrad.
Hope you're right. I think Marit Lage does give them the opportunity to do an even MORE Cthulhu monster than Emrakul and I have absolutely NO problem with any of that.
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That way it can possible walk trought the blind eternities to reach innistrad...
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
So... according to that, it is possible that Marit Lage could be a Eldrazi.
Well... maybe. I don't think they planned the eldrazi back then. We have evidence that points to there being more than 3 Eldrazi. However given the nature of the Eldrazi do you really think that if Marit Lage were one she would be so easily trapped in a glacier?