let's start some speculation. I'm guessing we will get 5 as that seems to be the number of walkers we get in each block now. who do you think they will be?
Sorin(bw) is very likely
nahiri (w) is a good possibility if they are continuing with the eldrazi storyline
tamiyo (u) is still on innistrad last we heard I'm hoping for a better storyline for her
maybe a new rg werewolf planeswalker
I think that ashiok would fit quite nicely in this block as well (bu)
Jace is the "face" walker. He's there definitively. Beyond him...honestly, the Thanksgiving post on the Magic Facebook page has me thinking we're getting Liliana, Tamiyo, and Ral, with the fifth being a new walker. All three of them have reasons that they don't make sense (Lili's already completed her business on Innistrad, either Tamiyo or Jace would probably have to have a second color so that there aren't two mono-U walkers in the same block, and Ral has been perfectly content to stay on Ravnica as far as we know), but something about the selection of 'walkers in that image feels accidental/subtle spoiler-y to me. Plus, Ral cooking up some fun with Innistrad's mad scientists appeals to me.
...in all seriousness, I'm honestly not sure who fits on Innistrad right now. I'm pretty confident that Nahiri is not there, which means that Sorin also would not be there (as he's looking for her). Lili, as said, has no further business on the plane. Garruk could reappear to menace Jace and insert himself as a villain in the main story again, I guess, but I'm not expecting it. I think we get Jace, one other "Gatewatch" 'walker (Gideon, Nissa, or Chandra, as far as the OGW imagery implies at the moment), either Tibalt or Tamiyo, a new 'walker, and...the fifth spot is going to be a surprise of some sort. Probably someone plot-relevant, though, unlike most of the 'walkers in the first Innistrad block.
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Clearly you didn't see the depressing spoiler.
Jace (U), has been confirmed
Nahiri (W), was said to be an if and not a when on the chances of her appearing in the next 7 years by MaRo...
Tamiyo (U), was last seen on Innistrad but Shadows already has a mono-blue walker so chances of two are low. Like extremely low considering the last time we got two blue walkers was Khans, Narset and Sarkhan. Too soon.
Tibalt (R), probably.
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Alara - 3 red walkers (Chandra, Nicol & Ajani), 2 blue walkers (Tezzeret & Nicol) & 2 white walkers (Elspeth & Ajani)
Zen - 2 red walkers (Sarkhan & Chandra) & 2 black walkers (Sorin & Sarkhan)
Scars - 2 blue walkers (Venser & Tezzeret) & 2 white walkers (Venser & Elspeth)
INS - 3 black walkers (Sorin, Garruk & Liliana)
RtR - 2 blue walkers (Jace & Ral Zarek) & 2 green walkers (Vraska & Domri)
THS - 3 green walkers (Ajani, Kiora & Xenagos), 2 blue walkers (Ashiok & Kiora) & 2 white walkers (Elspeth & Ajani)
KTK - 2 blue walkers (Sarkhan & Narset), 2 red walkers (Sarkhan & Sarkhan) & 2 white walkers (Narset & Sorin)
Well crap, since they seem to love having so many blue walkers now I expect Tamiyo to come back. Maybe.
There is a typo in the edit it's not Chandra but Sarkhan.
I think Jace, Tamiyo, and Tibalt are all given.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Garruk, since Jace's reasoning for being on Innistrad is likely to find a cure for Garruk's curse.
Liliana is a small possibility since she missed Zendikar, but I have a suspicion that she'll instead be the face walker for the next block and that the face walkers for the next few blocks are going to be the origin walkers going in WUBRG order.
A RG Werewolf walker would be awesome, especially if we got them as a legendary werewolf in the first set, and then their spark ignites in the second set.
Ashiok would be a good fit and it would be fun to see Jace vs Dark Jace, but Ashiok can only show up if Tamiyo doesn't.
So my prediction for the 5 are:
Jace (U)
Tamiyo (UW) or Ashiok (UB)
Tibalt (R or RB)
Cursed Garruk (GB) or Cured Garruk (GW or G)
Werewolf (RG)
Liliana of the Veil seems likely... she was just cut out of a recent standard set, and has been stated they wanted to put her into a standard legal set but her power is a question to the devs I'm sure. They would have to make sure she is put into an environment where she won't be extremely oppressive like she was right before she rotated out of standard the previous time. 4 Bonfire 4 Liliana, and rakdos returns... *cringe*
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A dream I always had for a return to innistrad is to see Xenagos there. Trapped between his plansewalker and a version of his creature/god form, having escaped his fate at the hands of Godsend by his latent spark attempting to walk away but now he's basically a universal glitch trying to get himself back right again. He could use Innistrads moon to instill more revelry in the forests to recapture some of the Wolfir back into Werewolfs.
The Art of innistrad mentions PlaneswalkerS of the gatewatch investigating. Doesn't mean they'll get a card but it looks like at least one other besides Jace will be involved. I know from a story standpoint it's unlikely Lili will show up, but it looks like 4 out of the 5 'Main' planeswalkers are going to have new cards in the first 2 blocks post origins, I can't out right rule out they won't make it 5/5. I wouldn't be shocked if Lili shows up in the second set.
WU "Ghostbuster"
WB Sorin
GW Human or Wolfir
RW Slayer (think Van Helsing or Simon Belmont)
RG Werewolf
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
That would be great, but like Damnation's "mysterious" removal from FTV:Annihilation I have a feeling Liliana of the Veil has moved to that unofficial list where cards go when they become expensive and need to get saved for selling a set. She'll be the first card they tease for Modern Masters 2017.
That would be great, but like Damnation's "mysterious" removal from FTV:Annihilation I have a feeling Liliana of the Veil has moved to that unofficial list where cards go when they become expensive and need to get saved for selling a set. She'll be the first card they tease for Modern Masters 2017.
They won't print damnation in a standard set ever, they hate universal 4 mana sweepers and will never do it again. Lilly is a more recent set price hike card, they don't want any new cards entering this area.. so I truly expect her to be printed. Snapcaster will never see a standard set again either.. so don't expect him.
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Snapcaster mage was broken in the last standard format.. cards like wild slash/shock or remember vapor snag? Snapcaster is ridiculously powerful even in todays format. I counter your argument saying snapcaster is at least equal to current jace in this standards power level if he were to be in the format... if not stronger. Snapcaster is better than Abbot cause its easier to control... although in modern I do agree they are very close because of the sheer volume of redundant cards. Also, Snapcaster counterspell in a dragons deck? Ugh.. no ty.
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so Jace is certain. i think its time for Garruk & Liliana to return & Innistrad is of course perfect for it. Man i hope soo much for a GW cured Garruk ^^ & maybe a Planeswalker Avacyn like dat:
Avacyn, Savior of Innistrad 2WWW - (5)
+1 Return target creature with manacost of 3 or less from your graveyard or from your Exile-pile to the battlefield.
-2 Put a 4/4 White Angel Creature Token with Flying onto the battlefield.
-4 Exile all Creatures.
so Jace is certain. i think its time for Garruk & Liliana to return & Innistrad is of course perfect for it. Man i hope soo much for a GW cured Garruk ^^ & maybe a Planeswalker Avacyn like dat
GW Garruk is not going to happen any time soon, if ever. Last time we saw him, he was away from Innistrad, happy killing things and with no cause to return, uncaring for a cure. Lili is probably chilling in Innistrad (at least that's what I got from the last UR we saw her in) so she might show up. All I want is Tibalt.
Also planeswalker Avacyn? No, not her. I know its bound to happen. Someday we'll get an angel walker, with a lame excuse for how a mana construct got a spark. But not Avacyn wizards, please.
I think with the commands in standard currently we are very unlikely to see Snapcaster in SOI. Khologhans command and snap caster are probably too powerful in standard.
Lili of the veil and snap will both be in Mm3.
However I could definetly see the raven man be introduced as the new 'villian' here. Possibly with or without a new Lili.
What I would like to see:
tibalt
Mono black raven man
Blue/white jace
Mono blue Tamiya
And a new gr walker
Obligatory "angels are mana constructs and therefore they can't hold a spark, so no Avacyn planeswalker unless they pull another Karn on us which probably won't happen" post.
If we ever got an "angel" planeswalker, it will probably be a human that adopts the form of an angel (the same way Ob is the "demon" planeswalker) or a human with angel-themed magic powers (Serra planeswalker FTW!!!)
I feel like being a revisit to innistrad and jace being the cover walker jace will be UB
Jace is definetly more uw than UB. How much he cares for other and the length he goes to to make ravnica a peaceful place really show his white side lately
Just based on storyline in my mind, I would say that most to least likely is as follows:
1) Tamiyo
2) Garruk
3) Jace
4) Liliana
5) Sorin
6) Tibalt
7) Nahiri
Five planeswalkers will get cards in the block (possibly six if we are extremely lucky, but it is unlikely). Three characters are known, a fourth is likely.
We will be getting:
Jace (face of the block)
Nahiri (the antagonist)
Sorin (the target of Nahiri's ire.)
We will likely be getting:
Tibalt (Despite his card sucking, WotC are well aware of the characters popularity. And he is on Innistrad.)
The fifth walker will be:
A new character unless we are extremely lucky and get a new Tamiyo.
Who will not be making an appearance:
Garruk (He left the plane at the end of the M15 story, and he does not wish to be cured)
Liliana (She has no reason to go there again after she killed Griselbrand.)
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RW Nahiri
Mono U Jace
BR Tibalt
WB Sorin
New mono G or WG Druid Planeswalker from Duel of the Planeswalker:
I just had a hilarious thought (while looking over the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor creature list for unrelated reasons), what if they introduce a BG treefolk planeswalker from Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. Now, wouldn't that be funny. >.<
I don't think it is even remotely likely, but it is funny.
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Sorin(bw) is very likely
nahiri (w) is a good possibility if they are continuing with the eldrazi storyline
tamiyo (u) is still on innistrad last we heard I'm hoping for a better storyline for her
maybe a new rg werewolf planeswalker
I think that ashiok would fit quite nicely in this block as well (bu)
what are your predictions
...in all seriousness, I'm honestly not sure who fits on Innistrad right now. I'm pretty confident that Nahiri is not there, which means that Sorin also would not be there (as he's looking for her). Lili, as said, has no further business on the plane. Garruk could reappear to menace Jace and insert himself as a villain in the main story again, I guess, but I'm not expecting it. I think we get Jace, one other "Gatewatch" 'walker (Gideon, Nissa, or Chandra, as far as the OGW imagery implies at the moment), either Tibalt or Tamiyo, a new 'walker, and...the fifth spot is going to be a surprise of some sort. Probably someone plot-relevant, though, unlike most of the 'walkers in the first Innistrad block.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Garruk, since Jace's reasoning for being on Innistrad is likely to find a cure for Garruk's curse.
Liliana is a small possibility since she missed Zendikar, but I have a suspicion that she'll instead be the face walker for the next block and that the face walkers for the next few blocks are going to be the origin walkers going in WUBRG order.
A RG Werewolf walker would be awesome, especially if we got them as a legendary werewolf in the first set, and then their spark ignites in the second set.
Ashiok would be a good fit and it would be fun to see Jace vs Dark Jace, but Ashiok can only show up if Tamiyo doesn't.
So my prediction for the 5 are:
Jace (U)
Tamiyo (UW) or Ashiok (UB)
Tibalt (R or RB)
Cursed Garruk (GB) or Cured Garruk (GW or G)
Werewolf (RG)
Legacy:
RUB Grixis Delver | RUGB 4c Control
Modern:
UR Affinity | RWG Burn
EDH:
R Krenko Combo | UR Mizzix WomboCombo | U Arcum Daggson Combo | WUBG Atraxa Dumpster Fire
French Duels EDH:
BUG Leovold, Emissary of Trest Prison
Standard:
Standard Sucks
I sense Tibalt is gonna get his moment
New Walker
Sorin or Lili
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Unlikely but I through him out.
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BR Tibalt
Up to three of the following:
WU "Ghostbuster"
WB Sorin
GW Human or Wolfir
RW Slayer (think Van Helsing or Simon Belmont)
RG Werewolf
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
That would be great, but like Damnation's "mysterious" removal from FTV:Annihilation I have a feeling Liliana of the Veil has moved to that unofficial list where cards go when they become expensive and need to get saved for selling a set. She'll be the first card they tease for Modern Masters 2017.
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UGEdric, Spymaster of Trest Drawmaster of Trest | GBGlissa the Traitor A Touch of Death | WBTeysa, Orzhov Scion Spinning in Graves
UWIsperia, Supreme Judge A Riddles of Sphinxes | RG Mena and Denn, Wildborn Beware Falling Rocks | GWSigarda, Host of Hurons The Enchantress
WRGRith the Awakener Superfriendly Tokens
They won't print damnation in a standard set ever, they hate universal 4 mana sweepers and will never do it again. Lilly is a more recent set price hike card, they don't want any new cards entering this area.. so I truly expect her to be printed. Snapcaster will never see a standard set again either.. so don't expect him.
Legacy:
RUB Grixis Delver | RUGB 4c Control
Modern:
UR Affinity | RWG Burn
EDH:
R Krenko Combo | UR Mizzix WomboCombo | U Arcum Daggson Combo | WUBG Atraxa Dumpster Fire
French Duels EDH:
BUG Leovold, Emissary of Trest Prison
Standard:
Standard Sucks
Legacy:
RUB Grixis Delver | RUGB 4c Control
Modern:
UR Affinity | RWG Burn
EDH:
R Krenko Combo | UR Mizzix WomboCombo | U Arcum Daggson Combo | WUBG Atraxa Dumpster Fire
French Duels EDH:
BUG Leovold, Emissary of Trest Prison
Standard:
Standard Sucks
Such bold words!
I remember a time when Serra Angel and Lightning Bolt would "never see print again," and we can see how that worked out.
I agree it won't be soon, but "never," "ever," and "hate" are probably the wrong word choices here.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Avacyn, Savior of Innistrad 2WWW - (5)
+1 Return target creature with manacost of 3 or less from your graveyard or from your Exile-pile to the battlefield.
-2 Put a 4/4 White Angel Creature Token with Flying onto the battlefield.
-4 Exile all Creatures.
GW Garruk is not going to happen any time soon, if ever. Last time we saw him, he was away from Innistrad, happy killing things and with no cause to return, uncaring for a cure. Lili is probably chilling in Innistrad (at least that's what I got from the last UR we saw her in) so she might show up. All I want is Tibalt.
Also planeswalker Avacyn? No, not her. I know its bound to happen. Someday we'll get an angel walker, with a lame excuse for how a mana construct got a spark. But not Avacyn wizards, please.
UBarrin, Master WizardU
USticher GeralfU
UIxidor, Reality SculptorU
UWNoyan Dar, Roil ShaperUW
Lili of the veil and snap will both be in Mm3.
However I could definetly see the raven man be introduced as the new 'villian' here. Possibly with or without a new Lili.
What I would like to see:
tibalt
Mono black raven man
Blue/white jace
Mono blue Tamiya
And a new gr walker
If we ever got an "angel" planeswalker, it will probably be a human that adopts the form of an angel (the same way Ob is the "demon" planeswalker) or a human with angel-themed magic powers (Serra planeswalker FTW!!!)
Jace is definetly more uw than UB. How much he cares for other and the length he goes to to make ravnica a peaceful place really show his white side lately
1) Tamiyo
2) Garruk
3) Jace
4) Liliana
5) Sorin
6) Tibalt
7) Nahiri
1) Jace
2) Sorin
3) Nahiri
4) Tibalt
5) Liliana
6) Garruk
7) Tamiyo
We will be getting:
Jace (face of the block)
Nahiri (the antagonist)
Sorin (the target of Nahiri's ire.)
We will likely be getting:
Tibalt (Despite his card sucking, WotC are well aware of the characters popularity. And he is on Innistrad.)
The fifth walker will be:
A new character unless we are extremely lucky and get a new Tamiyo.
Who will not be making an appearance:
Garruk (He left the plane at the end of the M15 story, and he does not wish to be cured)
Liliana (She has no reason to go there again after she killed Griselbrand.)
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I just had a hilarious thought (while looking over the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor creature list for unrelated reasons), what if they introduce a BG treefolk planeswalker from Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. Now, wouldn't that be funny. >.<
I don't think it is even remotely likely, but it is funny.
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