With the new set BFZ coming out, and oblivion sower spoiled, my mind raced to what other eldrazi they might release. I was thinking about how Emrakul and Kozilek left Zendikar's plane, and planeswalkers in general. That's when I realized that the eldrazi are essentially a species of planeswalkers. With there already being two colorless planeswalkers out, it's likely that there will be more, and at least one possible option would be one of the three main eldrazi. Thoughts?
Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They do not walk between planes, they swim through the void between planes. They are native to the blind eternities. While planeswalkers can withstand the blind eternities long enough to walk to another plane, the eldrazi live in it.
Eldrazi are to planeswalkers what space whales are to humans.
Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They do not walk between planes, they swim through the void between planes. They are native to the blind eternities. While planeswalkers can withstand the blind eternities long enough to walk to another plane, the eldrazi live in it.
Eldrazi are to planeswalkers what space whales are to humans.
So they're planeswimmers? I understand that they're native to the blind eternities, but they still travel from plane to plane, which seems identical to planeswalking to me, and if they're planeswalking I don't think it's a stretch to call them a planeswalker, especially for the sake of a card since there's already cards that aren't technically what their card type says. Voidslime's flavor text tells us that the card is actually representative of an a creature type, ooze.
Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They do not walk between planes, they swim through the void between planes. They are native to the blind eternities. While planeswalkers can withstand the blind eternities long enough to walk to another plane, the eldrazi live in it.
Eldrazi are to planeswalkers what space whales are to humans.
So they're planeswimmers? I understand that they're native to the blind eternities, but they still travel from plane to plane, which seems identical to planeswalking to me, and if they're planeswalking I don't think it's a stretch to call them a planeswalker, especially for the sake of a card since there's already cards that aren't technically what their card type says. Voidslime's flavor text tells us that the card is actually representative of an a creature type, ooze.
The Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They can travel between planes, but they don't have sparks. They were designed as creatures in Rise of the Eldrazi when Planeswalker was already an established card type, and I imagine they'll stay that way for BFZ.
I understand that they're native to the blind eternities, but they still travel from plane to plane, which seems identical to planeswalking to me
Technically they don't even do that. The eldrazi stay in the blind eternities all the time. Their appearances on planes are what can best be described as their three-dimensional shadow on the plane they are currently devouring. Just like you cast a two-dimensional shadow on a surface, they too cast a three-dimensional shadow on planes, as they are not three-dimensional beings to begin with. Dimensions in that form do not exist in the blind eternities.
The titans weren't so much imprisoned on Zendikar but rather tethered to the plane and paralyzed. All the millenia they still resided in the blind eternities, fastened to Zendikar like a trio of balloons.
and if they're planeswalking I don't think it's a stretch to call them a planeswalker, especially for the sake of a card since there's already cards that aren't technically what their card type says. Voidslime's flavor text tells us that the card is actually representative of an a creature type, ooze.
But planeswalkers aren't just any cards, they are the face of Magic, even a brand in a way. Wizards is very careful about what they do with them.
I think the the important distinction Flisch made is that any Eldrazi can navigate the BE, but only very special non-Eldrazi can. You make one Eldrazi a planeswalker, you make ALL Eldrazi planeswalkers. And Maro has stated numerous times that they will only have planeswalkers at Mythic.
That being said I would still love to see an eldritch monstrosity become a planeswalker.
You know the card Eldrazi Conscription? Well, what if some person had something special so that they were able to make a sort of... pact, with the eldrazi? That'd be cool.
You know the card Eldrazi Conscription? Well, what if some person had something special so that they were able to make a sort of... pact, with the eldrazi? That'd be cool.
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Like Ob Nixilis, driven mad at the loss of his spark, is somehow able to bargain with the Eldrazi to gain their ability for passing through the BE unfettered. That could even be his name: Ob Nixilis Unfettered. And he'd cost something like 2BB, but still have rules text stating he's colorless and has a colorless frame (like Ghostfire).
Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They do not walk between planes, they swim through the void between planes. They are native to the blind eternities. While planeswalkers can withstand the blind eternities long enough to walk to another plane, the eldrazi live in it.
Eldrazi are to planeswalkers what space whales are to humans.
So they're planeswimmers? I understand that they're native to the blind eternities, but they still travel from plane to plane, which seems identical to planeswalking to me
The eldrazi don't travel between planes because they don't exist on planes at all. They live purely in the Blind Eternities. The creatures that appear on a plane are just a feeding mechanism projected into the world, including the ones we identify as being the Eldazi Titans themselves. Wizards has been consistent about this even in the most recent stories.
You know the card Eldrazi Conscription? Well, what if some person had something special so that they were able to make a sort of... pact, with the eldrazi? That'd be cool.
I approve of this.
Like Ob Nixilis, driven mad at the loss of his spark, is somehow able to bargain with the Eldrazi to gain their ability for passing through the BE unfettered. That could even be his name: Ob Nixilis Unfettered. And he'd cost something like 2BB, but still have rules text stating he's colorless and has a colorless frame (like Ghostfire).
That'd be so cool.
I love how I asked Maro this last night. Then low and behold we get spoilers with Devoid the next day.
You know the card Eldrazi Conscription? Well, what if some person had something special so that they were able to make a sort of... pact, with the eldrazi? That'd be cool.
I approve of this.
Like Ob Nixilis, driven mad at the loss of his spark, is somehow able to bargain with the Eldrazi to gain their ability for passing through the BE unfettered. That could even be his name: Ob Nixilis Unfettered. And he'd cost something like 2BB, but still have rules text stating he's colorless and has a colorless frame (like Ghostfire).
That'd be so cool.
An Ob Nixilis planeswalker with Devoid would be very fitting for him. I wouldn't be surprised if you just called a future story arc.
I can actually see what the OP is saying though. Eldrazi are massive creatures that live in the blind eternities who are so massive they can only project themselves onto a plane like a giant casting a shadow. A giant, colorless shadow with annihilator 6. Where planeswalkers can pass through the Blind Eternities, the Eldrazi are the Titans that live there. All the "Creature" cards for the ThreeEldraziTitans are nothing more than a projection of the real Eldrazi but if we ever got a storyline of Planeswalkers attempting to venture, not to another plane, but deep into the blind eternities itself I could see a "true" eldrazi form functioning like a planeswalker.
Even then I think whatever the true form of the Eldrazi is in the BE transcends planeswalkers. It would probably be a new card type altogether.
The problem with this is that I think the true form of the Eldrazi is far beyond mortal comprehension. Ignoring the fact that the Blind Eternities don't even contain the parameters that allow someone to properly observe them in any conceivable way, the Eldrazi probably occupy far more than the four dimensions that we're accustomed to. We wouldn't even know how to process what we were looking at.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Could Eldrazi be thought of like the inverse of Planeswalkers?
I say this because Planeswalkers exist on a plane at a given time, but can "interact" with the Blind Eternities to travel through them. ELdrazi, on the other hand, occupy the Blind Eternities, but can "interact" with a plane to devour/destroy/overwhelm it, appearing to travel as these "3D Shadows" that are their creature-card manifestations?
As I understand it, the three titans are the only "real" Eldrazi; the rest are just extensions of one of the titans. An easier way to look at it is that each titan is the brain, and the titans' respective brood lineages are their bodies.
Here's the thing: normally, the titans themselves don't manifest on the planes they eat. The only reason they manifested on Zendikar is because of Ugin, Sorin, and Nahiri's meddling. It's kinda like how, when you're eating a bag of chips, you just stick your hand inside. So there's no actual planeswalking or planeshifting going on. The Eldrazi exist in the blind eternities, and they stick their fingers in nearby planes to scoop out the tasty planar goodness.
Could Eldrazi be thought of like the inverse of Planeswalkers?
I say this because Planeswalkers exist on a plane at a given time, but can "interact" with the Blind Eternities to travel through them. ELdrazi, on the other hand, occupy the Blind Eternities, but can "inetract" with a plane to devour/destroy/overwhelm it, appearing to travel as these "3D Shadows" that are their creature-card manifestations?
That is a pretty accurate description of what the Eldrazi are. They are so utterly different and alien that even planeswalkers have trouble truly comprehending them.
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As I understand it, the three titans are the only "real" Eldrazi; the rest are just extensions of one of the titans. An easier way to look at it is that each titan is the brain, and the titans' respective brood lineages are their bodies.
Here's the thing: normally, the titans themselves don't manifest on the planes they eat. The only reason they manifested on Zendikar is because of Ugin, Sorin, and Nahiri's meddling. It's kinda like how, when you're eating a bag of chips, you just stick your hand inside. So there's no actual planeswalking or planeshifting going on. The Eldrazi exist in the blind eternities, and they stick their fingers in nearby planes to scoop out the tasty planar goodness.
This has gotten me thinking. My hypothesis is that the Multiverse is like a cosmos comprised of pure mana, and the constant swirling of mana keeps it in motion. If things become stagnant, then the Multiverse becomes indistinguishable from nothingness, and ceases to exist. When enough of this mana gathers in one place, it coalesces into a physical form with its own scientific laws (i.e. a plane), in the same way that dust and gravity eventually form a star. The problem is, if too much of the mana is spent forming planes, then the Multiverse might come to a halt, cease to function, or fall apart entirely. With no more mana to hold the Multiverse together, there is nowhere for the planes to exist. This is where the Eldrazi come in. At some point, these entities came into existence with the sole purpose of destroying (or, more accurately, unmaking) planes and releasing their mana back into the Blind Eternities. This mana, in turn, would later go on to form newer planes, and so the cycle of the Multiverse continues.
This leaves a lot of questions, though. How would the Eldrazi be defined under this paradigm? As manifestations of the Blind Eternities themselves? How did they gain sentience? Why are there three separate Eldrazi, as opposed to a single, omnipresent entity?
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Even if one were to consider Eldrazi a Planeswalker I don't ever seeing them being a Planeswalker card since their don't (forgive me if I'm wrong) interact with other beings, they just eat. You play as a Planeswalker and typically planeswalkers are exceptional mages/whatever and since you have at least a small connection/similarity to them they may employ their services in a more specific manner, acting as sort-of your side-general. In this way you can ask "why cannot other creatures be made in this sort of card frame?" and to that I would say that they are 1. not powerful enough or 2. not connected to you enough. But I guess the biggest reason a non-planeswalker character couldn't have the Planewalker card-frame is because YOU have to call them (the creature) to this new plane, this battlefield. They aren't as free as planeswlker recruit is and as such are extremely restricted in their abilities.
Now, Eldrazi are not hindered like this BUT as I said before, you cannot control them, only can lead them to the feast and eventually shut them off from that plane (somehow). They are not your friend nor are they a hired/motivated accomplis so they have no reason to help you at all nor do they have a reason to give it their all at all (unless this is their all, but I guess it is implossible to truly know what theirs might be, even to them) so there is no way they would help you nor have the capacity to create a reason to help you.
So my reasoning is that unless an Eldrazi decides to accompany a Planeswalker in some fashion or another that is not a "look boy, food!" relationship then there is no way that they would be made into a Planewalker card. I do not doubt their have the power/finesse to be on a Walker card, though.
I would LOVE for an Eldrazi Planeswalker, like someone who gets turned into a drone or such Ascending, who actively seeks out new planes for them to devour. Kind of like a Herald of Galactus thing.
It won't happen. They want the planeswalkers to be as relatable as possible. For the same reason they made slivers humanoid, they won't make Eldrazi into PWs.
I highly doubt an Eldrazi Planeswalker will ever be a thing. It just doesn't make sense for them to be one. Besides, like already stated, we have only seen their "shadow" projected upon Zendikar. For all we know, in the blind eternities, they could be small little mouse sized creatures. We see them as being so huge only because the "light" projecting their shadow onto a plane is so close to them that it looks really big. It could be they are like flies on the projector in a movie theater blocking 1/2 of the screen since it is so close to the source of light. Therefore when the planeswalkers finally find a way to march into the blind eternities to hunt them down where they live, they find a little amoeba named Emrakul and squash it under their boot. And that is how Emrakul will die. It will be a stain on the bottom of Jace's foot. Ulamog will get swatted by Gideon as it tries to suck blood from his neck like a mosquito. Kozelek will become a tasty morsel for Ugin but get it's revenge by causing him indigestion resulting in an epic spirit dragon fart that itself destroys a plane when it is projected onto it.
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I highly doubt an Eldrazi Planeswalker will ever be a thing. It just doesn't make sense for them to be one. Besides, like already stated, we have only seen their "shadow" projected upon Zendikar. For all we know, in the blind eternities, they could be small little mouse sized creatures. We see them as being so huge only because the "light" projecting their shadow onto a plane is so close to them that it looks really big. It could be they are like flies on the projector in a movie theater blocking 1/2 of the screen since it is so close to the source of light. Therefore when the planeswalkers finally find a way to march into the blind eternities to hunt them down where they live, they find a little amoeba named Emrakul and squash it under their boot. And that is how Emrakul will die. It will be a stain on the bottom of Jace's foot. Ulamog will get swatted by Gideon as it tries to suck blood from his neck like a mosquito. Kozelek will become a tasty morsel for Ugin but get it's revenge by causing him indigestion resulting in an epic spirit dragon fart that itself destroys a plane when it is projected onto it.
I would LOVE for an Eldrazi Planeswalker, like someone who gets turned into a drone or such Ascending, who actively seeks out new planes for them to devour. Kind of like a Herald of Galactus thing.
Now THAT would be cool. Dominator Drone makes it look like the Eldrazi are either imitating the local lifeforms of Zendikar, or just body-snatching them outright. If the latter happens to be what's going on, then they could theoretically corrupt a preexisting planeswalker and turn them into a colorless herald of impending Eldrazi annihilation. Maybe Ancient Stirrings as a +1 ability, or the Hedron Fields of Agadeem chaos ability as a minus?
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
It would be pretty awesome if the block ends with the Eldrazi winning and Eldrazi-ing Gideon. Then we got a Gideon, Slave of the Eldrazi planeswalker card or something.
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Eldrazi are to planeswalkers what space whales are to humans.
So they're planeswimmers? I understand that they're native to the blind eternities, but they still travel from plane to plane, which seems identical to planeswalking to me, and if they're planeswalking I don't think it's a stretch to call them a planeswalker, especially for the sake of a card since there's already cards that aren't technically what their card type says. Voidslime's flavor text tells us that the card is actually representative of an a creature type, ooze.
The Eldrazi are not planeswalkers. They can travel between planes, but they don't have sparks. They were designed as creatures in Rise of the Eldrazi when Planeswalker was already an established card type, and I imagine they'll stay that way for BFZ.
No, they're voidswimmers if anything.
Technically they don't even do that. The eldrazi stay in the blind eternities all the time. Their appearances on planes are what can best be described as their three-dimensional shadow on the plane they are currently devouring. Just like you cast a two-dimensional shadow on a surface, they too cast a three-dimensional shadow on planes, as they are not three-dimensional beings to begin with. Dimensions in that form do not exist in the blind eternities.
The titans weren't so much imprisoned on Zendikar but rather tethered to the plane and paralyzed. All the millenia they still resided in the blind eternities, fastened to Zendikar like a trio of balloons.
But planeswalkers aren't just any cards, they are the face of Magic, even a brand in a way. Wizards is very careful about what they do with them.
That being said I would still love to see an eldritch monstrosity become a planeswalker.
Yes, another list of decks sig.
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WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Equipment
BBB Erebos, God of the Dead Goodstuff
UBG The Mimeoplasm
URG All Creatures Animar, Soul of Elements
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion sac and combo
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius
WUG Rafiq of the Many Aggro-Control
UBR Nekusar, The Mindrazer
WRG Mayael, the Anima
Casual:
BB Ad Nauseam Combo
BB Burn
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Like Ob Nixilis, driven mad at the loss of his spark, is somehow able to bargain with the Eldrazi to gain their ability for passing through the BE unfettered. That could even be his name: Ob Nixilis Unfettered. And he'd cost something like 2BB, but still have rules text stating he's colorless and has a colorless frame (like Ghostfire).
That'd be so cool.
Yes, another list of decks sig.
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Equipment
BBB Erebos, God of the Dead Goodstuff
UBG The Mimeoplasm
URG All Creatures Animar, Soul of Elements
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion sac and combo
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius
WUG Rafiq of the Many Aggro-Control
UBR Nekusar, The Mindrazer
WRG Mayael, the Anima
Casual:
BB Ad Nauseam Combo
BB Burn
The eldrazi don't travel between planes because they don't exist on planes at all. They live purely in the Blind Eternities. The creatures that appear on a plane are just a feeding mechanism projected into the world, including the ones we identify as being the Eldazi Titans themselves. Wizards has been consistent about this even in the most recent stories.
I love how I asked Maro this last night. Then low and behold we get spoilers with Devoid the next day.
Yes, another list of decks sig.
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Equipment
BBB Erebos, God of the Dead Goodstuff
UBG The Mimeoplasm
URG All Creatures Animar, Soul of Elements
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion sac and combo
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius
WUG Rafiq of the Many Aggro-Control
UBR Nekusar, The Mindrazer
WRG Mayael, the Anima
Casual:
BB Ad Nauseam Combo
BB Burn
I can actually see what the OP is saying though. Eldrazi are massive creatures that live in the blind eternities who are so massive they can only project themselves onto a plane like a giant casting a shadow. A giant, colorless shadow with annihilator 6. Where planeswalkers can pass through the Blind Eternities, the Eldrazi are the Titans that live there. All the "Creature" cards for the Three Eldrazi Titans are nothing more than a projection of the real Eldrazi but if we ever got a storyline of Planeswalkers attempting to venture, not to another plane, but deep into the blind eternities itself I could see a "true" eldrazi form functioning like a planeswalker.
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Unfortunately we probably won't have a set based in the BE.
Even then I think whatever the true form of the Eldrazi is in the BE transcends planeswalkers. It would probably be a new card type altogether.
Yes, another list of decks sig.
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Equipment
BBB Erebos, God of the Dead Goodstuff
UBG The Mimeoplasm
URG All Creatures Animar, Soul of Elements
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion sac and combo
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius
WUG Rafiq of the Many Aggro-Control
UBR Nekusar, The Mindrazer
WRG Mayael, the Anima
Casual:
BB Ad Nauseam Combo
BB Burn
The problem with this is that I think the true form of the Eldrazi is far beyond mortal comprehension. Ignoring the fact that the Blind Eternities don't even contain the parameters that allow someone to properly observe them in any conceivable way, the Eldrazi probably occupy far more than the four dimensions that we're accustomed to. We wouldn't even know how to process what we were looking at.
Yes, another list of decks sig.
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Equipment
BBB Erebos, God of the Dead Goodstuff
UBG The Mimeoplasm
URG All Creatures Animar, Soul of Elements
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion sac and combo
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius
WUG Rafiq of the Many Aggro-Control
UBR Nekusar, The Mindrazer
WRG Mayael, the Anima
Casual:
BB Ad Nauseam Combo
BB Burn
I say this because Planeswalkers exist on a plane at a given time, but can "interact" with the Blind Eternities to travel through them. ELdrazi, on the other hand, occupy the Blind Eternities, but can "interact" with a plane to devour/destroy/overwhelm it, appearing to travel as these "3D Shadows" that are their creature-card manifestations?
That is a pretty accurate description of what the Eldrazi are. They are so utterly different and alien that even planeswalkers have trouble truly comprehending them.
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This has gotten me thinking. My hypothesis is that the Multiverse is like a cosmos comprised of pure mana, and the constant swirling of mana keeps it in motion. If things become stagnant, then the Multiverse becomes indistinguishable from nothingness, and ceases to exist. When enough of this mana gathers in one place, it coalesces into a physical form with its own scientific laws (i.e. a plane), in the same way that dust and gravity eventually form a star. The problem is, if too much of the mana is spent forming planes, then the Multiverse might come to a halt, cease to function, or fall apart entirely. With no more mana to hold the Multiverse together, there is nowhere for the planes to exist. This is where the Eldrazi come in. At some point, these entities came into existence with the sole purpose of destroying (or, more accurately, unmaking) planes and releasing their mana back into the Blind Eternities. This mana, in turn, would later go on to form newer planes, and so the cycle of the Multiverse continues.
This leaves a lot of questions, though. How would the Eldrazi be defined under this paradigm? As manifestations of the Blind Eternities themselves? How did they gain sentience? Why are there three separate Eldrazi, as opposed to a single, omnipresent entity?
Now, Eldrazi are not hindered like this BUT as I said before, you cannot control them, only can lead them to the feast and eventually shut them off from that plane (somehow). They are not your friend nor are they a hired/motivated accomplis so they have no reason to help you at all nor do they have a reason to give it their all at all (unless this is their all, but I guess it is implossible to truly know what theirs might be, even to them) so there is no way they would help you nor have the capacity to create a reason to help you.
So my reasoning is that unless an Eldrazi decides to accompany a Planeswalker in some fashion or another that is not a "look boy, food!" relationship then there is no way that they would be made into a Planewalker card. I do not doubt their have the power/finesse to be on a Walker card, though.
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Now THAT would be cool. Dominator Drone makes it look like the Eldrazi are either imitating the local lifeforms of Zendikar, or just body-snatching them outright. If the latter happens to be what's going on, then they could theoretically corrupt a preexisting planeswalker and turn them into a colorless herald of impending Eldrazi annihilation. Maybe Ancient Stirrings as a +1 ability, or the Hedron Fields of Agadeem chaos ability as a minus?