My bad, didn't read the article and the quote was unclear to me about who was speaking. I would also doubt that Liliana's first walk was to Innistrad.
Yeah, even I'll admit that's a stretch. But she's definetly been there before since we know she made a pact with Grislebrand. Actually for a fringe theory could be if Innistrad is one of the planes at least one of the walkers is from/goes to, I could see Chandra being from innistrad as we know her home was full of superstitious people who were afraid of her fire magic. I could be wrong about that, I actually think there was just a radical sect of some kind that was against pyromancy so maybe just ignore that.
Right now it looks like the only (mostly)confirmed planes are Theros, Alara(Bant), Ravnica and Zendikar.
Hmm, reading this thread leads me to wonder, why did jace wipe his own memory?
By what I know of the story, Jace was appalled by his actions on his home plane (apparently killed someone with his mind magic) and erased his memory of any notion of it.
Also, I am betting all of my money on Muraganda being in the set, along with Innastrad, purely due to the fact that people loved the world of it so much.
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Gideon: Theros, walks to Bant
Jace: Vryn, walks to Ravnica
Liliana: Dominaria, walks to Innistrad
Chandra: Kaladesh, walks to Regatha
Nissa: Zendikar, walks to Lorwyn
This could mean we'll get some interesting reprints that aren't currently in the Modern card pool for nostalgia reasons!
Hopefully a lot of good new cards as well, since I recall they've said it's going to have a much higher amount of new cards than normal core sets, but some with nostalgia inducing flavor.
We'll also learn about some new planes, which should hopefully be interesting, and we'll perhaps gets some interesting modern relevant reprints from planes we've already visited and new cards linked to those same planes, perhaps adding to old strategies (not old mechanics though for the most part of course, but maybe some key creature types, given we have Nissa so perhaps nice elf cards)?
Really crossing my fingers for modern relevant aspects to the set.
With Nissa walking to Lorwyn, I can't see some amount of elf tribal NOT in this set.
With the other cards in the set, I know they're all revolving around the planeswalkers, but I hope they branch out a bit in colors for each plane. Like, Liliana's story involves Dominaria and Innistrad, but I hope the cards based in those planes are in all five colors, even if black may be more represented.
I'm excited for Liliana being from Dominaria as well, and for the return of Lorwyn (whose worldbuilding I always rather liked despite its tonal dissimilarity from other MTG worlds).
I pointed this out in the thread in the main rumour mill, but Vryn has shown up on Planechase 2012's Trail of the Mage-Rings. It's not a LOT of information to speculate from but certainly it implies a focus on instants and sorceries, which makes sense. (Though I can't imagine rebound shows up again)
Well what do you know, I actually got a few right (two). I think I'm most excited about liliana from Dominaria and Nissa heading to Lorwyn. Lorwyn even gives me a little hope that we could see filter lands as the land cycle (not likely, I know, but come on. The cards are WAY to expensive to see play in pretty much just EDH, a reprint is needed).
Liliana is from Dominaria. ABUR duals confirmed!!! Just kidding. But I would hope we return there someday in a full set, not just as part of a 10 plane set.
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In the article it says that "Ten planes are featured in the new cards of the set". (emphasis mine)
Does this mean that other planes are also included in the reprints? After all, according to a recent Blogatog post there was a time when Origins was "Just M2016".
In the article it says that "Ten planes are featured in the new cards of the set". (emphasis mine)
Does this mean that other planes are also included in the reprints? After all, according to a recent Blogatog post there was a time when Origins was "Just M2016".
I'm pretty sure it means they will print cards thematically based around the past planes of the big 5 and the first plane they planeswalked to. I hope it means we will get abilities from those planes such as undying for innistrad and... something from dominaria.
In the article it says that "Ten planes are featured in the new cards of the set". (emphasis mine)
Does this mean that other planes are also included in the reprints? After all, according to a recent Blogatog post there was a time when Origins was "Just M2016".
I'm pretty sure it means they will print cards thematically based around the past planes of the big 5 and the first plane they planeswalked to. I hope it means we will get abilities from those planes such as undying for innistrad and... something from dominaria.
The second reason is also correct because it has effect only on names in the shape "something, something" - each of your examples lacks the most important part, which is that COMMA. (To be more clear - I think the possibility of not being fake is really high but the posted immage is clearly mockup/preliminary version, which is logical to be assumed fake because it doesn't provide any confirmation on actual finished card)
While very rare, there are cards which have that comma and repeat the full name - Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius, Akroma, Angel of Fury, so this still isn't a reason to decry a card as fake.
I would be surprised if we don't get a Return to Dominaria soon.
As Liliana is in a quest to kill the Demons she made a pact with and as her home plane is Dominaria, I think it is reasonable to guess that one of the four Demons is from Dominaria.
In other words, calling it now: Return to Dominaria with Liliana as the face planeswalker of the block. Maybe Teferi will show up.
The second reason is also correct because it has effect only on names in the shape "something, something" - each of your examples lacks the most important part, which is that COMMA. (To be more clear - I think the possibility of not being fake is really high but the posted immage is clearly mockup/preliminary version, which is logical to be assumed fake because it doesn't provide any confirmation on actual finished card)
While very rare, there are cards which have that comma and repeat the full name - Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius, Akroma, Angel of Fury, so this still isn't a reason to decry a card as fake.
I would be surprised if we don't get a Return to Dominaria soon.
As Liliana is in a quest to kill the Demons she made a pact with and as her home plane is Dominaria, I think it is reasonable to guess that one of the four Demons is from Dominaria.
In other words, calling it now: Return to Dominaria with Liliana as the face planeswalker of the block. Maybe Teferi will show up.
Hope you're right. It's been far too long since we've visited Dominaria.
In the article it says that "Ten planes are featured in the new cards of the set". (emphasis mine)
Does this mean that other planes are also included in the reprints? After all, according to a recent Blogatog post there was a time when Origins was "Just M2016".
I'm pretty sure it means they will print cards thematically based around the past planes of the big 5 and the first plane they planeswalked to. I hope it means we will get abilities from those planes such as undying for innistrad and... something from dominaria.
Banding confirmed!
No?
the MTG community will flip out if banding returns. well, those who played magic long enough to remember it, anyway.
Given planes include Lorwyn and Ravinca is there a fair chance we will see some Hybrid Cards? The inclusion of Bant also points to some Gold cards
I honestly doubt we will see returning mechanics for each plane or even 5 of the 10, 1. its a corset 2. there's not enough room for mechanics.
I think we will see a Legendary Werewolf from Innistrad (Since it's in the past before they were changed to Wolfir)
We know that there will be no major returning mechanic (well, apart from DFCs), and that there will be 2 new mechanics.
And the PW are the only DFC (if i remember well) so i don't think we can see a legendary werewolf.
I'm not expecting a legendary DFC werewolf, IIRC Maro stated that they didn't do a legendary DFC for rules reasons at the time and realized too late that a non-transforming werewolf would have okay to the players that wanted a legendary werewolf for commander. Flavour wise it's almost perfect since you just have to make it clear that Lilliana arrives there during a full moon.
It all comes down to how big a slice of each plane we get to see. If each plane fits into 1-2 colours it gets less likely.
I'm not expecting a legendary DFC werewolf, IIRC Maro stated that they didn't do a legendary DFC for rules reasons at the time and realized too late that a non-transforming werewolf would have okay to the players that wanted a legendary werewolf for commander. Flavour wise it's almost perfect since you just have to make it clear that Lilliana arrives there during a full moon.
It all comes down to how big a slice of each plane we get to see. If each plane fits into 1-2 colours it gets less likely.
There was a legendary DFC, it just wasn't a creature on both sides of the card. Even if that isn't very important to the rules, Elbrus, the Binding Blade and Withengar Unbound are a little easier to wrap ones head around for the casual player how both work as Legendary permanents.
the MTG community will flip out if banding returns. well, those who played magic long enough to remember it, anyway.
I had to explain banding in a Commander game I was in to a player. I had Baton of Morale out, and a Guardian of the Gateless that had pro-creatures. He attacked me with a massive attack, cast overrun and smugly grinned, I activated the baton on the guardian, declared all of his creatures blocked and assigned all damage to the guardian. He started arguing about trample, and I informed him on how banding is anti-trample and sorry, his attack did no damage to me.
I still have my theory about each plane corresponding with a different color pair, in particular each planeswalker's connection to that plane. For example, Gideon hails from the RW Polis of Akros on Theros but walked to GWU Bant while Liliana started as a healer, a white profession and thereby the WB part of her story, but wound up in Innistrad commanding Zombies, which are aligned with UB on that plane. Nissa comes from Zendikar which most likely would be aligned with RG and travels to Lorwyn and meets the BG Elves. If my theory is correct, there's a possible pattern of one ally pair and one enemy pair being involved with each Walker, which would match up beautifully with KTK block.
However, I do see at least one problem with the theory: Chandra comes from Kaladesh which has a distinctly RW feel about it due to the conflict between the Order and pyromancers, yet the Akros portion of Theros would also have a RW flavor about it. But RW can't go to both Chandra and Gideon if color pair symmetry is to be preserved. Also, the pairs suggested for Liliana and Nissa would suggest a sort of shard arc to their stories, and Jace and Chandra could potentially follow suit, but unless Theros is counted as GW Gideon's story arc encompasses RGWU. The one other option I see in this scenario is Lili and Nissa getting shards, Jace and Chandra getting wedges, and Gideon getting a quad because why not.
At the very least, we can assume that both planes for each Walker, in particular the cards depicting those planes, will be aligned with that Walker's color.
On the subject of Bant and multicolor cards, my guess is the tricolor aspect of Bant will be implied through green, white, and blue cards all set there, but we won't likely see outright multicolor cards except maybe as dual colors, one for each pair at a given rarity and most likely not at common. A crazy idea just occured to me: What if the trilands from Shards are reprinted in Origins, with four of them receiving modified flavor to fit one of the planes associated with the 'Walker in that land's core color?
And of course Chandra's part of the pattern once again presents a problem in the theory; neither Kaladesh or Regatha necessarily feel savage, though since we've seen barely anything of either, I guess we can't assume that Savage Lands doesn't apply to one of them. At any rate, tricolor isn't likely to be a thing in Origins which heavily reduces the chances of trilands appearing. But it's an entertaining thought nonetheless, much like the idea of Filterlands appearing in Origins.
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Right now it looks like the only (mostly)confirmed planes are Theros, Alara(Bant), Ravnica and Zendikar.
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By what I know of the story, Jace was appalled by his actions on his home plane (apparently killed someone with his mind magic) and erased his memory of any notion of it.
Also, I am betting all of my money on Muraganda being in the set, along with Innastrad, purely due to the fact that people loved the world of it so much.
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Gideon: Theros, walks to Bant
Jace: Vryn, walks to Ravnica
Liliana: Dominaria, walks to Innistrad
Chandra: Kaladesh, walks to Regatha
Nissa: Zendikar, walks to Lorwyn
This could mean we'll get some interesting reprints that aren't currently in the Modern card pool for nostalgia reasons!
Hopefully a lot of good new cards as well, since I recall they've said it's going to have a much higher amount of new cards than normal core sets, but some with nostalgia inducing flavor.
We'll also learn about some new planes, which should hopefully be interesting, and we'll perhaps gets some interesting modern relevant reprints from planes we've already visited and new cards linked to those same planes, perhaps adding to old strategies (not old mechanics though for the most part of course, but maybe some key creature types, given we have Nissa so perhaps nice elf cards)?
Really crossing my fingers for modern relevant aspects to the set.
With the other cards in the set, I know they're all revolving around the planeswalkers, but I hope they branch out a bit in colors for each plane. Like, Liliana's story involves Dominaria and Innistrad, but I hope the cards based in those planes are in all five colors, even if black may be more represented.
I pointed this out in the thread in the main rumour mill, but Vryn has shown up on Planechase 2012's Trail of the Mage-Rings. It's not a LOT of information to speculate from but certainly it implies a focus on instants and sorceries, which makes sense. (Though I can't imagine rebound shows up again)
Seems like a good time for a Heritage Druid reprint.
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Does this mean that other planes are also included in the reprints? After all, according to a recent Blogatog post there was a time when Origins was "Just M2016".
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I'm pretty sure it means they will print cards thematically based around the past planes of the big 5 and the first plane they planeswalked to. I hope it means we will get abilities from those planes such as undying for innistrad and... something from dominaria.
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Banding confirmed!
No?
I would be surprised if we don't get a Return to Dominaria soon.
As Liliana is in a quest to kill the Demons she made a pact with and as her home plane is Dominaria, I think it is reasonable to guess that one of the four Demons is from Dominaria.
In other words, calling it now: Return to Dominaria with Liliana as the face planeswalker of the block. Maybe Teferi will show up.
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I honestly doubt we will see returning mechanics for each plane or even 5 of the 10, 1. its a corset 2. there's not enough room for mechanics.
I think we will see a Legendary Werewolf from Innistrad (Since it's in the past before they were changed to Wolfir)
Hope you're right. It's been far too long since we've visited Dominaria.
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the MTG community will flip out if banding returns. well, those who played magic long enough to remember it, anyway.
We know that there will be no major returning mechanic (well, apart from DFCs), and that there will be 2 new mechanics.
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I'm not expecting a legendary DFC werewolf, IIRC Maro stated that they didn't do a legendary DFC for rules reasons at the time and realized too late that a non-transforming werewolf would have okay to the players that wanted a legendary werewolf for commander. Flavour wise it's almost perfect since you just have to make it clear that Lilliana arrives there during a full moon.
It all comes down to how big a slice of each plane we get to see. If each plane fits into 1-2 colours it gets less likely.
I had to explain banding in a Commander game I was in to a player. I had Baton of Morale out, and a Guardian of the Gateless that had pro-creatures. He attacked me with a massive attack, cast overrun and smugly grinned, I activated the baton on the guardian, declared all of his creatures blocked and assigned all damage to the guardian. He started arguing about trample, and I informed him on how banding is anti-trample and sorry, his attack did no damage to me.
However, I do see at least one problem with the theory: Chandra comes from Kaladesh which has a distinctly RW feel about it due to the conflict between the Order and pyromancers, yet the Akros portion of Theros would also have a RW flavor about it. But RW can't go to both Chandra and Gideon if color pair symmetry is to be preserved. Also, the pairs suggested for Liliana and Nissa would suggest a sort of shard arc to their stories, and Jace and Chandra could potentially follow suit, but unless Theros is counted as GW Gideon's story arc encompasses RGWU. The one other option I see in this scenario is Lili and Nissa getting shards, Jace and Chandra getting wedges, and Gideon getting a quad because why not.
At the very least, we can assume that both planes for each Walker, in particular the cards depicting those planes, will be aligned with that Walker's color.
On the subject of Bant and multicolor cards, my guess is the tricolor aspect of Bant will be implied through green, white, and blue cards all set there, but we won't likely see outright multicolor cards except maybe as dual colors, one for each pair at a given rarity and most likely not at common. A crazy idea just occured to me: What if the trilands from Shards are reprinted in Origins, with four of them receiving modified flavor to fit one of the planes associated with the 'Walker in that land's core color?
Seaside Citadel = Bant
Arcane Sanctum = Vryn
Crumbling Necropolis = Innistrad
Savage Lands = Regatha (?)
Jungle Shrine = Zendikar
And of course Chandra's part of the pattern once again presents a problem in the theory; neither Kaladesh or Regatha necessarily feel savage, though since we've seen barely anything of either, I guess we can't assume that Savage Lands doesn't apply to one of them. At any rate, tricolor isn't likely to be a thing in Origins which heavily reduces the chances of trilands appearing. But it's an entertaining thought nonetheless, much like the idea of Filterlands appearing in Origins.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.