Does anyone else find it strange that blue doesn't have a Legendary Creature in Dragons of Tarkir?
Yes, I understand that they are doing a whole time shifted story line, and that all of the original Khans are back but in different forms (Zurgo forgot to work out, Sidisi got greedy and was zombified, Anafenza became a ghost because the spirit wasn't there to save her life, Sarruk changed his favored enemy to dragon instead of bears, and Narset's spark was realized)
It just seems odd, to me at least, that Taigam wasn't a/the blue Legendary Creature. I get that Narset is that color's "Legendary", and I'm not here crying about "flavor fail" or "Wizards hates Vorthos!" or some junk like that.
I dunno, it's probably just me, I just find a lack of Taigam card...odd.
Does anyone else find it strange that blue doesn't have a Legendary Creature in Dragons of Tarkir?
Yes, I understand that they are doing a whole time shifted story line, and that all of the original Khans are back but in different forms (Zurgo forgot to work out, Sidisi got greedy and was zombified, Anafenza became a ghost because the spirit wasn't there to save her life, Sarruk changed his favored enemy to dragon instead of bears, and Narset's spark was realized)
It just seems odd, to me at least, that Taigam wasn't a/the blue Legendary Creature. I get that Narset is that color's "Legendary", and I'm not here crying about "flavor fail" or "Wizards hates Vorthos!" or some junk like that.
I dunno, it's probably just me, I just find a lack of Taigam card...odd.
Yeah... I'd say it's pretty darn weird. Especially with all of the subtle drops at Taigam being a major character. He even got his own spells! It's kind of like all of those Legendary seeds in the Innistrad lore that never went anywhere. At least Geralf and Gisa got some love in the Commander precons. And who knows- Maybe Taigam wil et a similar treatment in the future.
Still bugs me in a symmetrical way, though. Heck, even a non-creature spell that CREATED a legendary crature for blue would've been fine. I can't help but wonder if the Myth enchantment was supposed to fill that role at one point.
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You know back in the day, 80% of the awesome characters from the novels / lore didn't even get cards, and seeing a cameo of them in a random sorcery card warranted excitement. That said, yes i do find it a bit odd that Taigam didn't get a card, if only for the fact that he's a recurring character in both timelines in this block. I imagine we'll see him again in future UR articles for DTK.
It sort of feels wrong. Because Narset is a planeswalker, it breaks the cycle of the legendary creature human leaders, which contradicts that whole issue of Ral Zarek not being allowed to be a mazerunner because he was a PW, and thus it made Emmara the worst legendary in the last 10 years. And because of how Taigam kept getting brought up and is in both timelines (as is Arel, but he never got his own UR), it breaks that Vorthos feel that he'd matter. And then of course, they kept showing that exact same art for that one white card every single time they mentioned Taigam, and so as a result I associated that with him and then VIOLA, it's nothing but an uncommon or common or whatever. Feels wrong.
I was kind of hoping for a good new Mono-U Legend (although I doubt it would be very exciting based on the other ones). I just figured it would be Taigam.
I'm honestly a little more disappointed in Contradict, to be perfectly honest with you.
I'm honestly a little more disappointed in Contradict, to be perfectly honest with you.
God, seriously! I scrolled through the blue and white spoilers looking for the art, and saw it on Contradict, and.... Damn spell costs as much as summoning him!
All of the former Khans also use their clan mechanics. If Taigam were in the set, he'd need to do something with rebound other than giving non-rebound spells rebound, since that would be stepping on Narset's toes. Since the going rate for giving all of your stuff rebound is already pretty high and Jeskai/Ojutai are more tempo based, his design would need to do something else. Reducing the cost of your rebound spells is a possibility, but rebound is already a value mechanic, making it more powerful might be too oppressive in limited. I think something like looting every time you cast a spell with rebound from exile could work. It encourages you to run more rebound spells and helps you fill your graveyard for delve spells as a subtle reference to Taigam's Scheming from the other timeline.
I hadn't noticed it until people starting talking about it
All the previous Khans have a card even if one is a Planeswalker and that's really the most important: the faces of the first set all get a new iteration
That there is no blue legendary creature does not bother me one bit but I can see how people might be disappointed if they expect a cycle of monocolour legends. Thing is, no one said there was going to be a cycle of monocolour legends.
Also, how could it have been Taigam since he is now a necklace?
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We may see him in an upcoming Commander product. We got Gisa, Geralf, Feldon, Jazal, and Titania. That's all I got
I hope not! I still want to see other characters like Feather, Serra, Gherridarigaaz, Bo Levar or even Yawgmoth. New characters aren't as good as some of the old ones.
None of those would displace Taigam, because of colour identity and, in the case of Serra and Bo Levar, planeswalker status. If we assume for the sake of argument that Taigam is in an upcoming commander product, he can't be mono-blue because they just did mono-colour and by a similar token can't be full Sultai because that's also already been done (they may loop around eventually, but let's focus first on the near future). If he's depicted in his Ojutai role then he's U/W (again, assuming not monoblue) and if he's depicted in his Sultai role he's U/B (likewise assuming not B/G/U). I may be forgetting someone obvious but there aren't any cardless characters in those colours that immediately spring to mind. Taigam therefore seems like a good candidate, assuming enough time passes between now and when the opportunity to print old characters in those colours presents itself (the presence of Innistrad characters as early as Commander 2014 is encouraging on this front).
Surprisingly, people seem to have convinced themselves that DTK would have something that no one said it would and then are upset. (Hint hint, enemy fetches).
I do think it's weird that Taigam didn't get a card, but not because blue is lacking a rare legendary.
The cycle is timeshfited khans. Taigam was not a khan. It's fine to want a card for him but why people felt entitled to him I don't understand. He would have broken that cycle and Wizards loves symmetry.
I never felt entitled to having Taigam personally. I think he just ended up on the chopping block like Geralf and Gisa, all three of which had UR articles about, but I think they were ultimately meant to progress the plot in the end. Like I mentioned before though, the lack of something in blue is just odd to me. I agree that he could show up in a commander product, even if he isn't a face card it's possible.
Umm Its because blues past khan is a Planeswalker now thats why. Whats dumb is every color but Black and White got atleast 2 mythic rares while they only got one each.
I'm okay with it. I think that we should just be happy that we didn't have the cycle butchered, which resulted in the lameness of Emmara Tandris from Dragon's Maze.
Don't find it odd, and I can't be arsed to care. I haven't given much of a crap about the "storyline" they cram into these sets since Lorwyn. (Mirrodin Besieged and Zendikar being slight exceptions) I find the characters dull at best, and form no attachments to them. I won't even remember who Taigam is next week.
Old sets kept the story interesting by not beating you over the head with it, though that changed for the worse starting in Weatherlight. Weatherlight really kicked off the age of too much information. Old sets had mystique to them, and left things to the imagination.
Actually, now that I have mentioned Lorwyn, that's what this block reminds me of: A very poorly done rehashing of Lorwyn and Shadowmoor.
If you're a fan of the show Arrow, the best I can say is that every Magic character now is about on par with Laurel.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
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I have to admit I was desperately searching for Taigam yesterday morning. I think my disappointment mostly stems from the fact I was expecting him. I don't know if we were all like oh if Narset is a planeswalker then Taigam gotta be in it.
Don't find it odd, and I can't be arsed to care. I haven't given much of a crap about the "storyline" they cram into these sets since Lorwyn. (Mirrodin Besieged and Zendikar being slight exceptions) I find the characters dull at best, and form no attachments to them. I won't even remember who Taigam is next week.
Old sets kept the story interesting by not beating you over the head with it, though that changed for the worse starting in Weatherlight. Weatherlight really kicked off the age of too much information. Old sets had mystique to them, and left things to the imagination.
Actually, now that I have mentioned Lorwyn, that's what this block reminds me of: A very poorly done rehashing of Lorwyn and Shadowmoor.
If you're a fan of the show Arrow, the best I can say is that every Magic character now is about on par with Laurel.
On a side note Laurel is getting slightly more interesting than she was last season, but Felicity I think will always be the main female character for fans.
The cycle is timeshfited khans. Taigam was not a khan. It's fine to want a card for him but why people felt entitled to him I don't understand. He would have broken that cycle and Wizards loves symmetry.
"Entitled"... Is that the new buzzword to shut people down who voice their disappointment with something? Nobody felt "entitled" to a Taigam card, but it's pretty jarring to have the cycle broken up like this.
I will guarantee you that in some years there will be a supplementary product with a Taigam card and Wizards will be like "Oh man, we totally realized people expected a Taigam card, and we feel bad for not delivering this back during DTK, but here he is now. What an oversight lol"
The cycle would have been broken by his inclusion. It was not broken by his exclusion. Again, wanting him is understandable (I love me some monks) but expecting him on top of Narset, who is already the best of the timeshifted khans, is entitlement. Calling it a fad word is true but irrelevant. Fad words can still be used correctly.
Yes, I understand that they are doing a whole time shifted story line, and that all of the original Khans are back but in different forms (Zurgo forgot to work out, Sidisi got greedy and was zombified, Anafenza became a ghost because the spirit wasn't there to save her life, Sarruk changed his favored enemy to dragon instead of bears, and Narset's spark was realized)
It just seems odd, to me at least, that Taigam wasn't a/the blue Legendary Creature. I get that Narset is that color's "Legendary", and I'm not here crying about "flavor fail" or "Wizards hates Vorthos!" or some junk like that.
I dunno, it's probably just me, I just find a lack of Taigam card...odd.
But yes, it is a bit off-putting.
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Yeah... I'd say it's pretty darn weird. Especially with all of the subtle drops at Taigam being a major character. He even got his own spells! It's kind of like all of those Legendary seeds in the Innistrad lore that never went anywhere. At least Geralf and Gisa got some love in the Commander precons. And who knows- Maybe Taigam wil et a similar treatment in the future.
Still bugs me in a symmetrical way, though. Heck, even a non-creature spell that CREATED a legendary crature for blue would've been fine. I can't help but wonder if the Myth enchantment was supposed to fill that role at one point.
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I'm honestly a little more disappointed in Contradict, to be perfectly honest with you.
God, seriously! I scrolled through the blue and white spoilers looking for the art, and saw it on Contradict, and.... Damn spell costs as much as summoning him!
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All the previous Khans have a card even if one is a Planeswalker and that's really the most important: the faces of the first set all get a new iteration
That there is no blue legendary creature does not bother me one bit but I can see how people might be disappointed if they expect a cycle of monocolour legends. Thing is, no one said there was going to be a cycle of monocolour legends.
Also, how could it have been Taigam since he is now a necklace?
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None of those would displace Taigam, because of colour identity and, in the case of Serra and Bo Levar, planeswalker status. If we assume for the sake of argument that Taigam is in an upcoming commander product, he can't be mono-blue because they just did mono-colour and by a similar token can't be full Sultai because that's also already been done (they may loop around eventually, but let's focus first on the near future). If he's depicted in his Ojutai role then he's U/W (again, assuming not monoblue) and if he's depicted in his Sultai role he's U/B (likewise assuming not B/G/U). I may be forgetting someone obvious but there aren't any cardless characters in those colours that immediately spring to mind. Taigam therefore seems like a good candidate, assuming enough time passes between now and when the opportunity to print old characters in those colours presents itself (the presence of Innistrad characters as early as Commander 2014 is encouraging on this front).
I do think it's weird that Taigam didn't get a card, but not because blue is lacking a rare legendary.
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Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty
After they put it in this year's commander product I would imagine them saying:" Yea, we meant it."
Yea right.
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Old sets kept the story interesting by not beating you over the head with it, though that changed for the worse starting in Weatherlight. Weatherlight really kicked off the age of too much information. Old sets had mystique to them, and left things to the imagination.
Actually, now that I have mentioned Lorwyn, that's what this block reminds me of: A very poorly done rehashing of Lorwyn and Shadowmoor.
If you're a fan of the show Arrow, the best I can say is that every Magic character now is about on par with Laurel.
but as always, i can accept and appreciate MaRo reasoning.
On a side note Laurel is getting slightly more interesting than she was last season, but Felicity I think will always be the main female character for fans.
"Entitled"... Is that the new buzzword to shut people down who voice their disappointment with something? Nobody felt "entitled" to a Taigam card, but it's pretty jarring to have the cycle broken up like this.
I will guarantee you that in some years there will be a supplementary product with a Taigam card and Wizards will be like "Oh man, we totally realized people expected a Taigam card, and we feel bad for not delivering this back during DTK, but here he is now. What an oversight lol"
Playtesting | Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Narset, Enlightened Master | Ephara, God of the Polis
Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty