Out of curiosity, what was the last large set without a rare land cycle? Rise of the Eldrazi? Shards of Alara before that? Are there any other large sets in the past 15 years that didn't have a rare land cycle?
Modern-legal Large and whether they had a dual cycle:
Mirrodin - No (Talisman of Dominance and company were the "duals" of the set)
Champions of Kamigawa - No (There was a terribad uncommon cycle but no rares)
Ravnica - Yes, Shocklands
Time Spiral - No (Storage Lands were the only duals here, and at uncommon)
Lorwyn - Yes, Tribe Lands
Shadowmoor - Yes, Filters
Alara - No (Uncommon shardlands only)
Zendikar - Yes, Fetches
Rise of the Eldrazi - No
Scars - Yes, Fastlands
Innistrad - Yes, Enemy Checks
Avacyn Restored - No (Utility lands but no duals)
Return to Ravnica - Yes, Shocks
Gatecrash - Yes, Shocks
Theros - Yes, Temples
Khans - Yes, Fetches
So 6/15 Large sets since the Modern frame don't have duals. Notably, this includes both other third-set Larges.
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Yeah got to remember to be more specific with MaRo. (you have to know he's aware on some level what people are speculating on, especially once it became clear after Evolving Wilds was spoiled that there's less than 20 Basic lands
The Smile at the end lets you know he knew Exactly what was being asked and he dodged it
Edit Battle for Zendikar I think Confirms no fetches until then
I chose NO FETCHES - there is no reason for them to be printed at all - it would ruin the delicate balance of standard right now. FRF and DTK are far from multicolor sets, so they do not need that much fixing. I do imagine a new rare cycle of dual lands though.
Alpha Beta Unlimited had no Gold cards at all, but still sportet 10 duals (9 in case of Alpha). Just sayin'
But after announcing Battle for Zendikar we know the fetches will be saved for that...
You're going back to Alpha Beta Unlimited to justify things? That's a reach.
Has there ever been a large set without basic lands? I thought that was a given for as long as I can remember.
The only basicless large set was Legends.
MaRo has confirmed on Blogatog that this set has basics, but not the exact number of them. Zen fetches are theoretically possible, but run counter to the allied color theme. I have a feeling we'll be seeing spoilers for something important at PAX in the morning, but I would wager it's not Zen fetches.
You know what would be cool... some kind of dual land for each elder dragon, like "Silumgar's Lair" - Legendary Island Swamp - comes into play tapped unless you control a dragon.
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StaffModern-legal Large and whether they had a dual cycle:
Mirrodin - No (Talisman of Dominance and company were the "duals" of the set)
Champions of Kamigawa - No (There was a terribad uncommon cycle but no rares)
Ravnica - Yes, Shocklands
Time Spiral - No (Storage Lands were the only duals here, and at uncommon)
Lorwyn - Yes, Tribe Lands
Shadowmoor - Yes, Filters
Alara - No (Uncommon shardlands only)
Zendikar - Yes, Fetches
Rise of the Eldrazi - No
Scars - Yes, Fastlands
Innistrad - Yes, Enemy Checks
Avacyn Restored - No (Utility lands but no duals)
Return to Ravnica - Yes, Shocks
Gatecrash - Yes, Shocks
Theros - Yes, Temples
Khans - Yes, Fetches
So 6/15 Large sets since the Modern frame don't have duals. Notably, this includes both other third-set Larges.
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Spoiler EditorThe Smile at the end lets you know he knew Exactly what was being asked and he dodged it
Edit Battle for Zendikar I think Confirms no fetches until then
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Spoiler EditorYou know I would have thought that but apparently there are still people who are arguing for Fetches before BFZ
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Spoiler EditorI will say this, Something is obviously up with the lands based on how Hard they dodged the question in the panel.
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StaffBLOCK yes, Future Sight had duals. But Time Spiral itself, the large set, did not.
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Spoiler EditorYou're going back to Alpha Beta Unlimited to justify things? That's a reach.
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You know what would be cool... some kind of dual land for each elder dragon, like "Silumgar's Lair" - Legendary Island Swamp - comes into play tapped unless you control a dragon.
According to whom? I haven't seen anything on the number of basics yet. I still believe 10 to be the most likely number.
I no longer believe there are enemy fetches, of course, but I do believe there is a rare land cycle.
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Yeah, what I implied is that there won't be enemy fetches. Still hoping for rare lands like filterlands.
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Spoiler EditorLooks like no fetches... but we are returning to Zendikar soon!
I was wrong.