I have some great news for everyone. We are getting fetchlands in Standard. Ok, ok I'm not 100% sure as I don't have insider knowledge but listen to my case and judge for yourself.
#1 The M15 painlands-Did anyone notice which painlands were printed in this set? R/W, R/U, G/U, G/B, W/B. These colors match the 5 fetchlands that are already legal in Modern Arid Mesa, Scalding Tarn, Verdant Catacomb, Misty Rainforest and Marsh Flats. Why is this significant? Because not only is Wizards wanting to make fetchlands cheaper with a reprint, they also need to get the other 5 fetchlands into Modern! If you are planning on printing Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, etc it makes sense to balance that by having some form of the other five (which this M15 reprint represents).
#2 The cycle of creatures in M15...these cards need need the land type of another color's land...guess which ones they need? The ones that those 5 fetches can search for!! White creature wants island (flooded Strand), Black creature wants Mountain etc.
#3 Ob Nixilis, Unshackled This card is made to hose fetchlands. It is too expensive to have been made for Modern (I think). I think it was made to hose searching libraries in standard.
#4 The Staff series. I know the staff are a reprint but they also have synergy with fetchlands as they take away the cost for fetching by gaining the life right back.
#5 Fetchlands have synergy with some of the most powerful cards in Standard Courser of Kruphix, Domri Rade and the reprinted Chandra. Maybe coincidental but it's still something.
there gonna tell ya this is speculation and doesn't belong in this forum saying that u might be right but lets wait a few months before we start this hoping game again
Domri isn't in Standard at that point. Explain Chandra's symmetry. I'll just ignore the other terrible theories that have been discussed at length in the other thread.
First and foremost a designer outside the company wouldn't be told what going to be printed in a set 6 to 8+ months ahead of time.
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled costs 6 and will have a hard time getting out early.
Fetches cost nothing but a land drop and are highly often played as early as possible to fix mana.
So how exactly does Ob hoses lands that are used and gone well before he even gets into the game?
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The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
#2 The cycle of creatures in M15...these cards need need the land type of another color's land...guess which ones they need? The ones that those 5 fetches can search for!! White creature wants island (flooded Strand), Black creature wants Mountain etc.
This. I realize that it's no more than pure speculation, but funny thing is, I was thinking about exactly same thing lately. With shocklands rotating out, this cycle is far less playable without consistancy only fetches could support. Glad I'm not the only one to notice it.
No one says he had to have other information, but he could have certainly been given some guidance, and certainly development changed it a bit after his submission.
It's not really that it needs to get out early but G/B decks will be ramping to this T3-5 which is fine, it will still keep people from fetching, but the flavor of it existing is interesting here. Where was this character from? Anyone remember = p I do!
What would be the point of telling people that they get to make their own card then making it for them, especially when theirs nothing gamebreaking about its design in the first place that they would need to alter.
They could just reprint Tunnel Ignus since it specifically hoses fetches and does so by being castable early. Sam Stoddard even said they reprinted the enemy painlands because they don't always need print new cards to match up with a newer design philosophy. So why print a card to hose something when its hardly going to hose it at all?
And seriously what combo in standard is going to poop him out turn 3? I'd bet money your answer involves a god hand and non interference from your opponent.
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What would be the point of telling people that they get to make their own card then making it for them, especially when theirs nothing gamebreaking about its design in the first place that they would need to alter.
They could just reprint Tunnel Ignus since it specifically hoses fetches and does so by being castable early. Sam Stoddard even said they reprinted the enemy painlands because they don't always need print new cards to match up with a newer design philosophy. So why print a card to hose something when its hardly going to hose it at all?
And seriously what combo in standard is going to poop him out turn 3? I'd bet money your answer involves a god hand and non interference from your opponent.
With the ammount of ramp in standard, 6 mana on turn 3 most certainly isn't unheard of. It's not overly likely, but I've seen it plenty of times. Turn 4 is more likely in that case, however.
1 and 2. I kind of doubt this. We have plenty of mana fixing already, with temples, mana confluence, and so forth. We will need to account for the ally color lands, but I really don't think fetchlands fit with the format.
3. Ob Nixilis is an interesting card, but he counters *much* more than just fetchlands. There are still plenty of other cards that search libraries, so I don't see how you could justify his existence indicating the future inclusion of one type of searching.
4. As you said, the staves were already printed last core set, so this explains nothing. Also, what? "...by gaining the life right back" *facepalm* No. The drawback is *supposed* to be there. It's just like how in black, you often wind up paying life for the mechanics. Efficiency with lands generally has a small drawback.
5. Fetchlands have synergy with a lot of things. Domri isn't standard. Unless some of the next 49 cards to be spoiled in M15 have landfall, I think your case falls flat.
The only evidence I can see for any sort of fetchland inclusion are all the Zendikar themes and characters that they're including. This really says nothing though. Also, it's been four or five years since we've gotten fetchlands, so I'd think they'd print more eventually - likely within the next three or four years. Possibly if they ever actually return to Zendikar, another of their best-selling sets, they'll add five or ten of them, since those worked thematically with the block. But I see very little reason for them to include fetches at this point.
I dont understand why people want fetchlands in standard. I get that they want the price to drop which can be accomplished by printed them in MM2 (assuming they do it right this time; non limited print run $5 a pack). Fetchlands slow the game down and are fairly bad without shocks
I dont understand why people want fetchlands in standard. I get that they want the price to drop which can be accomplished by printed them in MM2 (assuming they do it right this time; non limited print run $5 a pack). Fetchlands slow the game down and are fairly bad without shocks
at this point i want the reprint of fetchlands so we can stop having this topic daily
I have some great news for everyone. We are getting fetchlands in Standard. Ok, ok I'm not 100% sure as I don't have insider knowledge but listen to my case and judge for yourself.
#1 The M15 painlands-Did anyone notice which painlands were printed in this set? R/W, R/U, G/U, G/B, W/B. These colors match the 5 fetchlands that are already legal in Modern Arid Mesa, Scalding Tarn, Verdant Catacomb, Misty Rainforest and Marsh Flats. Why is this significant? Because not only is Wizards wanting to make fetchlands cheaper with a reprint, they also need to get the other 5 fetchlands into Modern! If you are planning on printing Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, etc it makes sense to balance that by having some form of the other five (which this M15 reprint represents).
#2 The cycle of creatures in M15...these cards need need the land type of another color's land...guess which ones they need? The ones that those 5 fetches can search for!! White creature wants island (flooded Strand), Black creature wants Mountain etc.
#3 Ob Nixilis, Unshackled This card is made to hose fetchlands. It is too expensive to have been made for Modern (I think). I think it was made to hose searching libraries in standard.
#4 The Staff series. I know the staff are a reprint but they also have synergy with fetchlands as they take away the cost for fetching by gaining the life right back.
#5 Fetchlands have synergy with some of the most powerful cards in Standard Courser of Kruphix, Domri Rade and the reprinted Chandra. Maybe coincidental but it's still something.
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Ob Nixilis, Unshackled costs 6 and will have a hard time getting out early.
Fetches cost nothing but a land drop and are highly often played as early as possible to fix mana.
So how exactly does Ob hoses lands that are used and gone well before he even gets into the game?
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
This. I realize that it's no more than pure speculation, but funny thing is, I was thinking about exactly same thing lately. With shocklands rotating out, this cycle is far less playable without consistancy only fetches could support. Glad I'm not the only one to notice it.
It's not really that it needs to get out early but G/B decks will be ramping to this T3-5 which is fine, it will still keep people from fetching, but the flavor of it existing is interesting here. Where was this character from? Anyone remember = p I do!
They could just reprint Tunnel Ignus since it specifically hoses fetches and does so by being castable early. Sam Stoddard even said they reprinted the enemy painlands because they don't always need print new cards to match up with a newer design philosophy. So why print a card to hose something when its hardly going to hose it at all?
And seriously what combo in standard is going to poop him out turn 3? I'd bet money your answer involves a god hand and non interference from your opponent.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
With the ammount of ramp in standard, 6 mana on turn 3 most certainly isn't unheard of. It's not overly likely, but I've seen it plenty of times. Turn 4 is more likely in that case, however.
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As for fetches, all of that evidence is circumstantial and doesn't amount to much.
3. Ob Nixilis is an interesting card, but he counters *much* more than just fetchlands. There are still plenty of other cards that search libraries, so I don't see how you could justify his existence indicating the future inclusion of one type of searching.
4. As you said, the staves were already printed last core set, so this explains nothing. Also, what? "...by gaining the life right back" *facepalm* No. The drawback is *supposed* to be there. It's just like how in black, you often wind up paying life for the mechanics. Efficiency with lands generally has a small drawback.
5. Fetchlands have synergy with a lot of things. Domri isn't standard. Unless some of the next 49 cards to be spoiled in M15 have landfall, I think your case falls flat.
The only evidence I can see for any sort of fetchland inclusion are all the Zendikar themes and characters that they're including. This really says nothing though. Also, it's been four or five years since we've gotten fetchlands, so I'd think they'd print more eventually - likely within the next three or four years. Possibly if they ever actually return to Zendikar, another of their best-selling sets, they'll add five or ten of them, since those worked thematically with the block. But I see very little reason for them to include fetches at this point.
at this point i want the reprint of fetchlands so we can stop having this topic daily