Hey there, haven't seen any thread specifically on this topic. Knowing that 1. Convoke is the returning mechanic for M15 and 2. That Chord of calling has become a highly sought-after card in the last couple of years (thanks to pod), do you think Wizards could make it one of the few chase, modern playable reprint of the upcoming core-set, à laThoughtseize? I've also read somewhere that it wouldn't be breaking standard by itself due to its heavy green requirement, which made sense. What do you think?
EDIT: If it does happen, praying for no neon-green giant eagle.
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I traded mine as soon as I found out convoke was returning. Chord of Calling is the kind of card that could be reprinted It would make more people happy than it would upset and Chord of Calling is a fairly safe card.
I can see Chord of calling being reprinted. It isn't that broken in standard without the one cost mana creatures. M14 had Mutavault. Theros had Thoughtseize. They need to sell packs and chase cards is a good way to do it.
Forget broken. I'm not sure it's actually playable in standard. Has any other deck EVER used the card outside of casual decks like, say, battlecruiser commander ones? I think it's one of those super niche cards like Party Troll, Mox Opal, or Candelabra that one deck and only one deck uses. Really, outside of very specific deck needs, it's inferior to Tooth and Nail or Diabolic Tutor. It's a really easy, safe reprint. It isn't going to warp standard like Mutavault/Sieze. It also isn't weird like Noble Heirarch.
I could see Aven Mindcensor getting a reprint aswell in either M15 or Khans if Chord of Calling is in M15. Just to make sure there is some hate in case it gets out of hand.
I could see it coming back, but I could also seeing it being mythic rare, and Wizards justifying it by claiming it has an "epic, splashy" effect or something along those lines.
By itself Chord does nothing in Standard and can easily be reprinted. I think it would be positively received by community at large. But as past has shown us Magic's development team tends to overdo this 'interaction' thing:
Stoneforge Mystic + Batterskull
Voice of Resurgence + Lingering Souls or Rancor
Snapcaster Mage + Mana Leak
Jace, the Mind Sculptor + Mana Leak
They usually shove too much goodness into one bag and sometimes it hurts. Still, Chord should be on the safe side.
I'd blame Delver of Secrets + Ponder instead of Snapcaster Mage + Mana Leak.
I think Chord is a likely target to be banned from Modern within the next 6 months, so I don't think they'll reprint it. Then again, WotC are hardly infallible as their constant mistakes over the past few years have shown us. So sure, it could easily be reprinted, especially if it works well with Khans of Tarkir block.
Why do you think it will be banned? Pod isn't currently dominating and M15 was sent off to the printers months ago.
I feel that Genesis Hydra actually makes itself a sort of a proof that the chord could haven't been included in M15. I mean, GH is basically a fixed Chord of Calling from my perspective. It would be weird to include two cards with similar effects in the same color and rarity spot(Rare/mythic Green tutoring for X). Does any of you reminds of a similar addition in the latests core sets? (similar effect at same color and rarity). I know that R and M aren't the same, but Rare and Mythic are closer than C/U or U/R.
Seriously, I've arrived to this post because my original intention was to open a thread with the following question: "Could Genesis Hydra be a clear hint meaning Chord of Calling isn't going to be reprinted?". Thing is I have Chord and not sure about trading away or not.
EDIT: For example, I've been ofered a playset of promo Restoration Angels for a Chord, and I feel very very tempted of sealing that deal.
Another weird thing is that SCG has lowered down Chord's Price by 5 bucks and added some pieces to a stock that before appeared as empty. Just wondering why...
I think Genesis Hydra and Chord are different enough that Wizards could justify printing both of them. One is a creature that digs. The other is an instant with convoke that tutors.
As for SCG lowering Chord's price, it's most likely due to the speculation about a Chord reprint, but it could actually be due to a Chord reprint. Remember that people who write preview articles get the full card list beforehand.
I think Genesis Hydra and Chord are different enough that Wizards could justify printing both of them. One is a creature that digs. The other is an instant with convoke that tutors.
I've meant GH as a fixed Chord in the maning that GH could be seen as a Chord that goes at sorcery speed but leaves a body behind in compensation, and can't tutor the entire library but as deep under your top as you can pay for. That seems a pretty core set-esque versión for a Chord, IMO.
The Genesis Hydra was designed by an outside designer though, so it is unlikely that it was put in to be a 'fixed' anything.
Scenario: Chord of calling is in the M2015 file, put there by the internal R&D team, and Genesis Hydra is being submitted by the external designer. Would they then pull Chord from the set because there is too much overlap...? Who knows..?
Guess my point is that I would expect the tolerance for some overlap between cards to be a bit higher with these outside-designed cards.
I really hope so. People often forget that Green Sun's Zenith wasn't broken while in Standard, so Chord would be no different. Being triple GGG means that non-green decks wont really benefit from it, and in a standard with heavy discard and removal in black, I'd say it is a good fit.
I really hope the reprint it, would make things interesting.
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At first, I thought Convoke might have been moved out of green for M15 and that they wouldn't reprint Chord of Calling for the same reason they didn't reprint Noble Hierarch in M13, but I was wrong.
Now, this set is the perfect opportunity for a Chord of Calling reprint. The card was mysteriously absent from Modern Masters and is the exact kind of highly sought reprint that would drive boosters sales. With Standard's smaller cardpool I feel this card will be both playable and fair.
I think Chord is a likely target to be banned from Modern within the next 6 months, so I don't think they'll reprint it. Then again, WotC are hardly infallible as their constant mistakes over the past few years have shown us. So sure, it could easily be reprinted, especially if it works well with Khans of Tarkir block.
You think that they'd ban Chord over Pod? Pod's the card that gets rolled out there on turn 2 and continuously tutors up creatures. Chord is a 1-time deal. I would put my money on a banning going on the one that has similarities to Survival of the Fittest, if one were to be banned at all. Not saying anything will get banned.
Forget broken. I'm not sure it's actually playable in standard. Has any other deck EVER used the card outside of casual decks like, say, battlecruiser commander ones? I think it's one of those super niche cards like Party Troll, Mox Opal, or Candelabra that one deck and only one deck uses. Really, outside of very specific deck needs, it's inferior to Tooth and Nail or Diabolic Tutor. It's a really easy, safe reprint. It isn't going to warp standard like Mutavault/Sieze. It also isn't weird like Noble Heirarch.
LSV played it to success in Nationals Ravnica-TSP-10th edition Standard. The deck was called Omnichord, it typically was Bant-colored, and it made a big splash at a number of other Nationals events that year. I'm not certain LSV invented it (I think it was someone else), but it's one of the decks (alongside block Mystical Teachings) that really elevated his rank in the pro scene, that year. There was also overlap with Blink decks, and there were a lot of variations (some played Goyf, some didn't).
Chord of Calling's best support card (when it was in T2) was Wall of Roots. If Chord comes back, but Wall of Roots does not, then it might not find a home. But it probably will; Devotion is a mechanic that makes people want to put a lot of stuff on the table, and Chord is good when you're doing that.
I feel that Genesis Hydra actually makes itself a sort of a proof that the chord could haven't been included in M15. I mean, GH is basically a fixed Chord of Calling from my perspective. It would be weird to include two cards with similar effects in the same color and rarity spot(Rare/mythic Green tutoring for X). Does any of you reminds of a similar addition in the latests core sets? (similar effect at same color and rarity). I know that R and M aren't the same, but Rare and Mythic are closer than C/U or U/R.
Seriously, I've arrived to this post because my original intention was to open a thread with the following question: "Could Genesis Hydra be a clear hint meaning Chord of Calling isn't going to be reprinted?". Thing is I have Chord and not sure about trading away or not.
EDIT: For example, I've been ofered a playset of promo Restoration Angels for a Chord, and I feel very very tempted of sealing that deal.
Another weird thing is that SCG has lowered down Chord's Price by 5 bucks and added some pieces to a stock that before appeared as empty. Just wondering why...
I know you mean something different than this, but it's awfully disconcerting to see "fixed" and "Genesis Hydra" in the same sentence. The card combines elements of cascade and uncounter-ability to putting a permanent into play. While it's probably true that a big green X spell in the core set makes another big green X spell unlikely, I...wouldn't use the word "fixed."
please reprint it... it is one of the cards I am missing from my pod deck.... if I pick up Voice of resurgence as they rotate out then I am a fetch land reprint away from the deck.
Two years later, and I'm still salty about Noble Hierarch being left out of M13. I have my fingers crossed for Chord in M15, but the more I think about it, the unlikelier it seems.
Two years later, and I'm still salty about Noble Hierarch being left out of M13. I have my fingers crossed for Chord in M15, but the more I think about it, the unlikelier it seems.
To be fair, Hierarch wasn't nearly as expensive back then (especially since they completely finished the set around the start of 2012).
Chord of Calling would be a fun reprint, but it doesn't seem like it'd be very good in Standard. It's also a possible target for a ban in Modern, which makes it unlikely. Then again you never know!
I know you mean something different than this, but it's awfully disconcerting to see "fixed" and "Genesis Hydra" in the same sentence. The card combines elements of cascade and uncounter-ability to putting a permanent into play. While it's probably true that a big green X spell in the core set makes another big green X spell unlikely, I...wouldn't use the word "fixed."
With that therm, I meant WotC may be saying something in the line of: "Yes, we're bringing back convoke. No, we're not bringing back Chord of Calling. But you know what? We're going to give you something similar. Something that abides much better to our current power level line and that also fits much better in our thought of making everything a creature if posible."
Of course those cards aren't the same story, but both of them does put a permanent form your library by paying X mana, at Green. And yes, I meant exaclty what you said: Two big X spells with similar effects at the same core set doesn't seem very likely. Perhaps, "fixed" wasn't an accurate therm to represent my thoughts, but it seems that I've used it good enough to sugest that I didn't wanted to use it for it's regular meaning, but more like a metaphora. Still, thanks for your comments
Chord of Calling would be a fun reprint, but it doesn't seem like it'd be very good in Standard. It's also a possible target for a ban in Modern, which makes it unlikely. Then again you never know!
Except for the fact that Pod isn't dominating or winning before turn 4 so Chord won't get banned.
Jund never won a game before turn 4. 2 cards, banned. Ancestral vision, jitte, JTMS, SFM....never won a game before turn 4. So stop acting like that's the only criteria for banning a card in modern.
Chord wouldn't be banned in modern, pod would. That's the obvious target out of the deck for a ban to anyone with sense.
Chord is a possible reprint. Wouldn't be surprised. It's not that great in standard at all.
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Jund never won a game before turn 4. 2 cards, banned. Ancestral vision, jitte, JTMS, SFM....never won a game before turn 4. So stop acting like that's the only criteria for banning a card in modern.
Chord wouldn't be banned in modern, pod would. That's the obvious target out of the deck for a ban to anyone with sense.
Chord is a possible reprint. Wouldn't be surprised. It's not that great in standard at all.
You may want to read my post instead of just part of it. I said that it wasn't dominating or winning before turn 4. Jund was dominating and AV was a stupid ban that didn't meet any criteria as it said that it was banned because it sees play in Legacy Jace the Mind Sculptor control decks, despite the fact that in that same announcement Jace was banned. SFM, Jace, and Jitte were because they were worried that they would make Caw-Blade dominate. See that word? Dominate. Cards in Modern are not banned nowadays if they do not cause decks to dominate, cause consistent turn 1-3 wins, or cause logistical issues in tournaments.
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But yes, I guess Chord will be in M15.
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I'd blame Delver of Secrets + Ponder instead of Snapcaster Mage + Mana Leak.
Why do you think it will be banned? Pod isn't currently dominating and M15 was sent off to the printers months ago.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Seriously, I've arrived to this post because my original intention was to open a thread with the following question: "Could Genesis Hydra be a clear hint meaning Chord of Calling isn't going to be reprinted?". Thing is I have Chord and not sure about trading away or not.
EDIT: For example, I've been ofered a playset of promo Restoration Angels for a Chord, and I feel very very tempted of sealing that deal.
Another weird thing is that SCG has lowered down Chord's Price by 5 bucks and added some pieces to a stock that before appeared as empty. Just wondering why...
As for SCG lowering Chord's price, it's most likely due to the speculation about a Chord reprint, but it could actually be due to a Chord reprint. Remember that people who write preview articles get the full card list beforehand.
That's exactly my concern...
Scenario: Chord of calling is in the M2015 file, put there by the internal R&D team, and Genesis Hydra is being submitted by the external designer. Would they then pull Chord from the set because there is too much overlap...? Who knows..?
Guess my point is that I would expect the tolerance for some overlap between cards to be a bit higher with these outside-designed cards.
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I really hope the reprint it, would make things interesting.
Now, this set is the perfect opportunity for a Chord of Calling reprint. The card was mysteriously absent from Modern Masters and is the exact kind of highly sought reprint that would drive boosters sales. With Standard's smaller cardpool I feel this card will be both playable and fair.
You think that they'd ban Chord over Pod? Pod's the card that gets rolled out there on turn 2 and continuously tutors up creatures. Chord is a 1-time deal. I would put my money on a banning going on the one that has similarities to Survival of the Fittest, if one were to be banned at all. Not saying anything will get banned.
LSV played it to success in Nationals Ravnica-TSP-10th edition Standard. The deck was called Omnichord, it typically was Bant-colored, and it made a big splash at a number of other Nationals events that year. I'm not certain LSV invented it (I think it was someone else), but it's one of the decks (alongside block Mystical Teachings) that really elevated his rank in the pro scene, that year. There was also overlap with Blink decks, and there were a lot of variations (some played Goyf, some didn't).
Chord of Calling's best support card (when it was in T2) was Wall of Roots. If Chord comes back, but Wall of Roots does not, then it might not find a home. But it probably will; Devotion is a mechanic that makes people want to put a lot of stuff on the table, and Chord is good when you're doing that.
I know you mean something different than this, but it's awfully disconcerting to see "fixed" and "Genesis Hydra" in the same sentence. The card combines elements of cascade and uncounter-ability to putting a permanent into play. While it's probably true that a big green X spell in the core set makes another big green X spell unlikely, I...wouldn't use the word "fixed."
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To be fair, Hierarch wasn't nearly as expensive back then (especially since they completely finished the set around the start of 2012).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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Of course those cards aren't the same story, but both of them does put a permanent form your library by paying X mana, at Green. And yes, I meant exaclty what you said: Two big X spells with similar effects at the same core set doesn't seem very likely. Perhaps, "fixed" wasn't an accurate therm to represent my thoughts, but it seems that I've used it good enough to sugest that I didn't wanted to use it for it's regular meaning, but more like a metaphora. Still, thanks for your comments
Except for the fact that Pod isn't dominating or winning before turn 4 so Chord won't get banned.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Chord wouldn't be banned in modern, pod would. That's the obvious target out of the deck for a ban to anyone with sense.
Chord is a possible reprint. Wouldn't be surprised. It's not that great in standard at all.
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You may want to read my post instead of just part of it. I said that it wasn't dominating or winning before turn 4. Jund was dominating and AV was a stupid ban that didn't meet any criteria as it said that it was banned because it sees play in Legacy Jace the Mind Sculptor control decks, despite the fact that in that same announcement Jace was banned. SFM, Jace, and Jitte were because they were worried that they would make Caw-Blade dominate. See that word? Dominate. Cards in Modern are not banned nowadays if they do not cause decks to dominate, cause consistent turn 1-3 wins, or cause logistical issues in tournaments.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.