Anyone else get the feeling that the next set is going to be a zendikar remake? I feel like Soul of Zendikar in magic 2015 is hinting at it. I have read an article that hinted at the remaking of fetch lands (And by the way they worded it it sounds like the opposite fetches from Zendikar). Wotc also seems to be remaking blocks that have value in modern, and remaking cards that have value in modern. The modern line goes mirrodin-Ravnica-Lorwyn-Alara-Zendikar. The sets they have remade so far have been Mirrodin and Ravnica, which means Lorwyn should be next. My guess is that they took the cards from Lorwyn that are used in more than one type of deck and were viable in standard, I.E. Thoughtsieze and Mutavault, which they just mashed into the break set so they could get to the Zendikar block because of the outrageous prices of fetchlands. My reasoning to why they didn't remake Vendillion Clique and Bitterblossom is because they don't fit well in standard and aren't played in a wide enough variety of decks in modern.As far as Alarm goes I'm guessing that they are going to skip it or splash it into magic 2015,some of the cards in m2015 so far look like they have abilities based on having multiple land types which was the theme of Alara. I wouldn't be suprised to see them skip it though because the block really didn't have many cards of high value.
Please let me know what you guys think. If anyone wants the article on fetchlands I can go dig it out just ask.
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Disclaimer: As per the norm, I am aware some people will disagree with my opinion and I acknowledge there is a possibility that my opinion is wrong. The above post is simply my musings on what I view to be the most likely scenario given the information that is available and I am aware of at the time of typing! Peace.
I feel like Soul of Zendikar in magic 2015 is hinting at it. I have read an article that hinted at the remaking of fetch lands (And by the way they worded it it sounds like the opposite fetches from Zendikar). Wotc also seems to be remaking blocks that have value in modern, and remaking cards that have value in modern. The modern line goes mirrodin-Ravnica-Lorwyn-Alara-Zendikar. The sets they have remade so far have been Mirrodin and Ravnica, which means Lorwyn should be next. My guess is that they took the cards from Lorwyn that are used in more than one type of deck and were viable in standard, I.E. Thoughtsieze and Mutavault, which they just mashed into the break set so they could get to the Zendikar block because of the outrageous prices of fetchlands. My reasoning to why they didn't remake Vendillion Clique and Bitterblossom is because they don't fit well in standard and aren't played in a wide enough variety of decks in modern.As far as Alarm goes I'm guessing that they are going to skip it or splash it into magic 2015,some of the cards in m2015 so far look like they have abilities based on having multiple land types which was the theme of Alara. I wouldn't be suprised to see them skip it though because the block really didn't have many cards of high value.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
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I don't see a full return to Zendikar but I could see the one of the Eldrazi titans coming in during the third block with a huge army to devour everything, which would establish that Zendikar has just been completely ravaged.
I think the Soul of Zendikar is in there because of DotP. Its one of the planes you visit.
Zendikar is a very large world i would say that if the eldrazi destroyed something like 1/10000 of Zendikar it would be too much....
Have you seen how big the eldrazi are?
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
lololololololo
But yes, since Fetches are reprinted, i'd say the next block being Zendikar is a given
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
lololololololo
But yes, since Fetches are reprinted, i'd say the next block being Zendikar is a given
Or you know, they serve the needs of the set, making color fixing easier in limited formats such as draft.
A coincidence is not the same as a correlation. They can reprint the shocklands wherever and whenever they please, that was the whole point of them having setting neutral names. Something land cycles since have (mostly) continued. It is the same with the Fetchlands, they have setting neutral names, and as such can be reprinted *anywhere*, for all we know they could be in Huey.
I can't believe I was right about the fetches getting printed in Tarkir. O_o
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Yeah, but they're the Onslaught Fetches, and Tarkir is using morph, which was a main mechanic of that block, so obviously we should be returning to the block that came after Onslaught block.
Well, it isn't technically "Mirrodin" anymore, but the point still stands.
Zendikar seems the most likely option for a "return to" set (many things are pointing at it).
I guess "Blood" is far enough from RtR, the last nostalgia set. So I think it isn't a long shot to say that Blood will be a "Return to" block.
Soo... A + B = C
Of course Blood may not be Zendikar 2. But I think it is safe to assume that Zendikar is close. It could even has something to do with the third set from Khans Block (Louie?). Maybe we are already in Zendikar, we just don't know that yet (also, Zendikar Fetchlands reprint in the third set confirmed, calling it now)
With them printing the other fetches, they still need the zen fecthes. If they do not print them in khans it will be soon, so why would the not make (blood) return to zendirak and reprint them there. Planeswalkers stories are leading up to it.
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
lololololololo
But yes, since Fetches are reprinted, i'd say the next block being Zendikar is a given
Or you know, they serve the needs of the set, making color fixing easier in limited formats such as draft.
True, but the fetchlands synergize so much with landfall it's hard to believe that neither this nor the next block will include that mechanic so there's some overlap between the two. And landfall would probably (but not necessarily) mean a return to Zendikar.
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
lololololololo
But yes, since Fetches are reprinted, i'd say the next block being Zendikar is a given
Or you know, they serve the needs of the set, making color fixing easier in limited formats such as draft.
True, but the fetchlands synergize so much with landfall it's hard to believe that neither this nor the next block will include that mechanic so there's some overlap between the two. And landfall would probably (but not necessarily) mean a return to Zendikar.
There was no landfall in Onslaught block, or either of the blocks on both sides of said block. Additionally, there was no land fall in Mirage block, nor Ice Age or Tempest either, and that was where we got the first dual color fetchlands. So there is that. Fetchlands are in themselves not an indication of whether or not the next block contains a mechanic that happens to have synergy with said cards. Nor does it mean that the next block is a return to Zendikar. And even *if* the next block is a return to Zendikar, which is in itself in no way a guarantee, there is no certainty that it would include Landfall at all.
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There was no landfall in Onslaught block, or either of the blocks on both sides of said block. Additionally, there was no land fall in Mirage block, nor Ice Age or Tempest either, and that was where we got the first dual color fetchlands.
Landfall did not exist at that time. It does now. So that's irrelevant.
You might as well argue "there's no guarantee we'll see a planeswalker in this set! Look at all these sets that never had planeswalkers from before planeswalkers existed!"
The funny thing is that if you argue it the other way, the conclusion is the opposite. "Landfall never existed without fetchlands, so obviously when landfall comes back, so will the fetchlands!"
So there is that. Fetchlands are in themselves not an indication of whether or not the next block contains a mechanic that happens to have synergy with said cards. Nor does it mean that the next block is a return to Zendikar. And even *if* the next block is a return to Zendikar, which is in itself in no way a guarantee, there is no certainty that it would include Landfall at all.
Wizards of the Coast has stated that landfall was an extremely popular mechanic, and it will be back at some point. Nothing synergizes more easily with landfall than fetchlands. You can easily expect that there will be some overlap between the two.
It is true that they can include landfall outside of Zendikar, so it's not necessarily a return to Zendikar, but it's very difficult to believe the fetchlands will not be simultaneously legal with landfall at some point in Standard.
It's not 100%, but I think it's likely. We're getting Fetches in Khans, so the next block seems like the perfect time to return to Zendikar, with landfall being a VERY likely-to-return mechanic in that block. And they have hinted a lot to Zendikar recently. RTR featuring Gideon, Theros featuring Kiora, M15 featuring Ob Nixilis and Nissa, and now KTK featuring Sorin and possibly Fate Reforged featuring Ugin. It seems like they're throwing in a little bit of reference to Zendikar in every set, and in KTK they're not even trying to be subtle about it.
There was no landfall in Onslaught block, or either of the blocks on both sides of said block. Additionally, there was no land fall in Mirage block, nor Ice Age or Tempest either, and that was where we got the first dual color fetchlands.
Landfall did not exist at that time. It does now. So that's irrelevant.
You might as well argue "there's no guarantee we'll see a planeswalker in this set! Look at all these sets that never had planeswalkers from before planeswalkers existed!"
The funny thing is that if you argue it the other way, the conclusion is the opposite. "Landfall never existed without fetchlands, so obviously when landfall comes back, so will the fetchlands!"
So there is that. Fetchlands are in themselves not an indication of whether or not the next block contains a mechanic that happens to have synergy with said cards. Nor does it mean that the next block is a return to Zendikar. And even *if* the next block is a return to Zendikar, which is in itself in no way a guarantee, there is no certainty that it would include Landfall at all.
Wizards of the Coast has stated that landfall was an extremely popular mechanic, and it will be back at some point. Nothing synergizes more easily with landfall than fetchlands. You can easily expect that there will be some overlap between the two.
It is true that they can include landfall outside of Zendikar, so it's not necessarily a return to Zendikar, but it's very difficult to believe the fetchlands will not be simultaneously legal with landfall at some point in Standard.
Just about any type of land fetching synergizes with Landfall. And we get some form of that in every single block without exception. Still does not mean that there will be landfall in the next block, nor does it mean that the next time we will see landfall will be in a hypothetical revisit to Zendikar. There are at least two equally popular planes (Dominaria and Alara), which are equally likely to be the next "return" block. Coincidence does not make Causation after all.
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Just about any type of land fetching synergizes with Landfall.
And the fetchlands are the best of the bunch. Do you see people playing Evolving Wilds with Lotus Cobra much?
And we get some form of that in every single block without exception.
None of it as good as the fetchlands.
Still does not mean that there will be landfall in the next block,
It almost certainly does, because bringing back landfall without the fetchlands is a waste in great synergies that excites players. It'd be like having Return to Ravnica have a big emphasis on multicolor but with really weak mana fixing rather than the tremendously powerful mana fixing it did have.
nor does it mean that the next time we will see landfall will be in a hypothetical revisit to Zendikar.
Now, this is more true. I'm not saying the next one will necessarily be Zendikar, as they can do landfall outside of it. But landfall was associated with Zendikar, so I do think it's pretty likely that landfall will mean Zendikar (as they're associated with each other), but it is possible they'll do landfall in something else. But it seems really tough to believe they'd bring back landfall and not have it be simultaneously legal with the thing that actually makes it good.
So far, they've come back to a familiar block 7 years after the first one. ( Mirrodin - 2003 + Scars of Mirrodin - 2010, Ravnica: City of Guilds - 2005 + Return to Ravnica - 2012 ). Zendikar was released in 2009 and 2015 is 7 years after the original Zendikar block.
Also, in the article "Say When", someone asked when will we would see full art basic lands again, the reply had originally said "I can't tell you the exact date just yet, but I can say this: they are currently planned for an upcoming block that I know about. Nothing's definite until it sees print, but I have a lot of confidence that they will see the light of day again." and now they've edited the post to say "Nothing's definitive until it sees print, but I have a lot of confidence they will see the light of day again."
It's not 100%, but I think it's likely. We're getting Fetches in Khans, so the next block seems like the perfect time to return to Zendikar, with landfall being a VERY likely-to-return mechanic in that block. And they have hinted a lot to Zendikar recently. RTR featuring Gideon, Theros featuring Kiora, M15 featuring Ob Nixilis and Nissa, and now KTK featuring Sorin and possibly Fate Reforged featuring Ugin. It seems like they're throwing in a little bit of reference to Zendikar in every set, and in KTK they're not even trying to be subtle about it.
That said, it's definitely not 100%.
This actually my argument against it being next, I don't think it's the next story line to be picked up again because it has been touched on so much, I think there will be another block in between then a return.
They are building up to something involving the Eldrazi and Zendikar with the direction they are going with the storyline, with Sorin, Sharkahn, Ugin's revival but I don't think it'll be in the block after M16 (though I wouldn't doubt M16 has some hints with reprints of Eldrazi/Zendikar cards) As the other planes may end up in jeopardy and Sorin needs to learn of Ugin's return. Plus with recent Sorin card and Ugin as well as Nahtari's printing in Commander, it's unlikely we'll get them all that soon again as they will all three be needed to re-prison (or try and destroy) the Eldrazi. I would suspect that they will do 1-2 more blocks before going back but with storylines that tie into Zendikar
Please let me know what you guys think. If anyone wants the article on fetchlands I can go dig it out just ask.
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I think the Soul of Zendikar is in there because of DotP. Its one of the planes you visit.
Have you seen how big the eldrazi are?
Also everyone keep in mind this set was nicknamed BizzAlara or whatever. There will be no full return, however probably this set is going to be more like Alara.
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What are you talking about? Bizarralara is what the hypothetical wedge block is called. It is not Tarkir (Tarkir does not have a wedge theme, we've been over this).
lololololololo
But yes, since Fetches are reprinted, i'd say the next block being Zendikar is a given
Or you know, they serve the needs of the set, making color fixing easier in limited formats such as draft.
I can't believe I was right about the fetches getting printed in Tarkir. O_o
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Well, it isn't technically "Mirrodin" anymore, but the point still stands.
I guess "Blood" is far enough from RtR, the last nostalgia set. So I think it isn't a long shot to say that Blood will be a "Return to" block.
Soo... A + B = C
Of course Blood may not be Zendikar 2. But I think it is safe to assume that Zendikar is close. It could even has something to do with the third set from Khans Block (Louie?). Maybe we are already in Zendikar, we just don't know that yet (also, Zendikar Fetchlands reprint in the third set confirmed, calling it now)
Commander: WUBRG Superfriends, GW Rhys Tokens, WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Kitchen Table (now that's real Magic): WUBRG Domain, GU Biovisionary, UB Korlash Grandeur, UW Merfolk Mill
There was no landfall in Onslaught block, or either of the blocks on both sides of said block. Additionally, there was no land fall in Mirage block, nor Ice Age or Tempest either, and that was where we got the first dual color fetchlands. So there is that. Fetchlands are in themselves not an indication of whether or not the next block contains a mechanic that happens to have synergy with said cards. Nor does it mean that the next block is a return to Zendikar. And even *if* the next block is a return to Zendikar, which is in itself in no way a guarantee, there is no certainty that it would include Landfall at all.
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Commander: WUBRG Superfriends, GW Rhys Tokens, WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Kitchen Table (now that's real Magic): WUBRG Domain, GU Biovisionary, UB Korlash Grandeur, UW Merfolk Mill
You might as well argue "there's no guarantee we'll see a planeswalker in this set! Look at all these sets that never had planeswalkers from before planeswalkers existed!"
The funny thing is that if you argue it the other way, the conclusion is the opposite. "Landfall never existed without fetchlands, so obviously when landfall comes back, so will the fetchlands!"
Wizards of the Coast has stated that landfall was an extremely popular mechanic, and it will be back at some point. Nothing synergizes more easily with landfall than fetchlands. You can easily expect that there will be some overlap between the two.
It is true that they can include landfall outside of Zendikar, so it's not necessarily a return to Zendikar, but it's very difficult to believe the fetchlands will not be simultaneously legal with landfall at some point in Standard.
That said, it's definitely not 100%.
Just about any type of land fetching synergizes with Landfall. And we get some form of that in every single block without exception. Still does not mean that there will be landfall in the next block, nor does it mean that the next time we will see landfall will be in a hypothetical revisit to Zendikar. There are at least two equally popular planes (Dominaria and Alara), which are equally likely to be the next "return" block. Coincidence does not make Causation after all.
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None of it as good as the fetchlands.
It almost certainly does, because bringing back landfall without the fetchlands is a waste in great synergies that excites players. It'd be like having Return to Ravnica have a big emphasis on multicolor but with really weak mana fixing rather than the tremendously powerful mana fixing it did have.
Now, this is more true. I'm not saying the next one will necessarily be Zendikar, as they can do landfall outside of it. But landfall was associated with Zendikar, so I do think it's pretty likely that landfall will mean Zendikar (as they're associated with each other), but it is possible they'll do landfall in something else. But it seems really tough to believe they'd bring back landfall and not have it be simultaneously legal with the thing that actually makes it good.
Also, in the article "Say When", someone asked when will we would see full art basic lands again, the reply had originally said "I can't tell you the exact date just yet, but I can say this: they are currently planned for an upcoming block that I know about. Nothing's definite until it sees print, but I have a lot of confidence that they will see the light of day again." and now they've edited the post to say "Nothing's definitive until it sees print, but I have a lot of confidence they will see the light of day again."
This actually my argument against it being next, I don't think it's the next story line to be picked up again because it has been touched on so much, I think there will be another block in between then a return.