I'll take a swing at it. Since the only multicolored planeswalker we have had in a core set is Nicol Bolas and he has a high mana cost Garruk will probably be something like 5gb. he will probably have 4 abilities to try and "push him". But one of them will be really story related, so like -2 destroy target planeswalker.
I really like your design. However, for this card to be printable, I think we'd have to loose the control effect of the ultimate. Taking control is either red or blue, in the color pie; never black or green (i believe). Also, as much as Id love those wolves to be 2/1, if its an ability costing Garruk zero loyalty counter, that might be a tad on the strong side. Keep it up
Whenever a creature or Planeswalker is put into an opponent's graveyard from the battlefield, Garruk, the Mad Hunter gains loyalty equal to that cards converted mana cost.
0 Put a black 2/1 Wolf creature token with Deathtouch onto the battlefield under your control.
-4 Destroy target creature or Planeswalker.
-15 Search target opponent's library for up to two creature and/or Planeswalker cards and put them onto the battlefield under your control. They gain "If this card would leave the battlefield, exile it instead."
SL: 5
His first ability is the only way to increase Garruk's loyalty. It reflects his cursed mind and his pleasure in hunting and killing things. Should only work for cards leaving the battlefield, otherwise there could be some unfair Thoughtseize stuff going on.
The 0 is Garruk's standard token generating ability. The token's deathtouch ability can help to increase Garruk's loyalty.
The -4 is a Hero's Downfall effect. Garruk hunts Planeswalkers, and I guess he would kill creatures on the way. Garruk can increase his loyalty by killing creatures/planeswalkers with CMC 5+.
His Ultimate underlines the hunt for Planeswalkers even further. He forces them to help him, and later kills them for good. Same for creatures. Exile effect also prevents ultimate loops.
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I really like your design. However, for this card to be printable, I think we'd have to loose the control effect of the ultimate. Taking control is either red or blue, in the color pie; never black or green (i believe). Also, as much as Id love those wolves to be 2/1, if its an ability costing Garruk zero loyalty counter, that might be a tad on the strong side. Keep it up
Thank you for your feedback, I really appreciate it The points you mentioned troubled me too, especially the ultimate. But I guess that happens when you try to design a Planeswalker while in a hurry
I made the wolves 2/1 because I felt Garruk with only 1/1s was rather useless against creatureless decks, as he can't really increase his loyalty against those. But I guess you're right.
The ultimate didn't really feel black to me either. I didn't want anything green, because Garruk left most of that color behind, as is indicated by the casting cost. So a lots-of-big-tokens ultimate wasn't good. Something like Rise of the Dark Realms wasn't really Garruk-y, even for a cursed Garruk. I really wanted him to hunt down stuff, and going as deep as into the opponent's library to kill the targets felt right. Just exiling those cards or putting them into the graveyard doesn't really impact the game though, so I wanted to do more with those cards. But I guess I have an idea for that.
-15 Name up to four nonland cards. Exile all permanents with those names target player controls. Search that player's graveyard, hand and library for all cards with those names and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
I guess something like that is better. It feels deeply black to me, and lets Garruk really extinguish his targets. Naming four cards may be too much, but I really like the effect. What do you think about it?
The Magic Arcana article today had a picture of something that could look like a beast token.
I'm gonna guess he makes 3/3 black/green beast tokens as a minus ability. I would also guess that if he has an ability that can target planeswalkers that it can also target something else, so that it is not completely useless against planeswalker-less decks.
I would guess that they would want him to see standard play, since he is the poster-child of the set, and if he becomes too anti-planeswalker-y he could be relegated to sideboards to too large an extent.
Perhaps he will have something similar to Garruk Relentless ability, except that it can also hit Planeswalkers:
Garruk Relentless [2015Garruk] deals 3 damage to target creature [or planeswalker]. That creature [or planeswlaker] deals damage equal to its power [or loyalty] to him.
So either make the anti-planeswalker ability also anti-something-else, or give him 4 abilities so that he has 3 workable abilities even if there are no planeswalkers on field.
I guess they can afford to make him cost a fair bit with Nykthos and other ramp available.
A brief run-in with Liliana Vess, the necromancer armed with a sinister artifact called the Chain Veil, left Garruk stricken with a black-mana curse. The curse has blunted his connection with nature, but has only heightened his desire to hunt. On Innistrad, Garruk sought the aid of Avacyn, but ultimately the cursemute did not help him, and the curse has worsened. Now, Jace Beleren has been alerted to the danger that the curse may overwhelm Garruk, spelling grave danger for Planeswalkers.
[Emphases mine]
So, if the "curse has worsened" and "blunted his connection with nature", does that mean that he will be mono-black? Or is that where he will end up, if as Jace fears "the curse overwhelms Garruk"?
I honestly expect a mono-black Garruk in M15 if anything, with Nissa appearing in the mono-green slot.
I could theoretically see a mono-black Garruk, largely to avoid having to reprint Liliana of the Dark Realms (such an awful abuse of the "swamps matter" theme at the expense of her character). Problem is Garruk's Packleader has already been spoiled and I have to imagine that colorshifting the most iconic green planeswalker entirely would be confusing for new players, given that so many cards refer to him as a green mage.
I imagine them going big for this Garruk. A 4 mana version is theoretically possible, but you don't print something as heavy-handed as In Garruk's Wake and theme the set as "Hunt Bigger Game" unless you have a monster of a card to match it. How about...
Garruk, Cursed Beastmaster5GB
Planeswalker- Garruk
+2 Put a 5/5 Beast Horror token with deathtouch onto the battlefield.
-X Destroy each nonland permanent with CMC X.
-10 You get an emblem with: "At the beginning of each upkeep, each opponent loses 1 life, discards a card, sacrifices a creature, then sacrifices a land." Starting Loyalty: 5
Your +2 could be a 3/3 Beast Zombie Trample Deathtouch.
Your -X would be awesome against Token.
I love your -10 but I feel like you should be the one "hunting/destroying" your opponent permanent. Maybe something like "At beginning of your upkeep, for each opponent destroy up to two target permanents. Each opponent lose life equal to the amount of permanent destroy that way." I think discard isn't really for Garruk. Also in multiplayer, it could be great (up to 6 life lost if it's a four free-for-all)
Garruk will be mono black, and liliana will be not present on this set.
Judging by the funko figures art, liliana is the only one with no new art, wich problably means that there is no new art for her, and i really belive that they will not reprint liliana vess.
Garruk will be mono black, and liliana will be not present on this set.
Judging by the funko figures art, liliana is the only one with no new art, wich problably means that there is no new art for her, and i really belive that they will not reprint liliana vess.
Chandra's figure has the Chandra Pyromaster art.
As for Garruk, I'm guessing he will be G/B, based on the fact that we've had both green and black cards with "Garruk" in their name spoiled (Garruk's Packleader and In Garruk's Wake). Granted, Garruk's Packleader is one of the handful of cards that will be Standard legal, but not reprinted in M15, so I suppose it's not necessarily indicative of Garruk's current color alignment.
Garruk, Mage Hunter 3GB
0: Put a 3/3 Zombie Beast token into play
-2: Destroy target creature
-4: Destroy Target Planeswalker
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I kind of like him as a Sarkhan the Mad clone but I'll be interested to see what we get.
What I'm pretty sure we do know is he makes Zombie Beast's in some way. I agree with those that think the Undead Thragtusk looking thing is a Black Beast Token.
Wich probably means that she will be a reprint. But different from Liliana Vess, Pyromaster was printed only once and on the previous set. I don't belive that Garruk's Packleader count on the planeswalker related cycle for M15, as it not actually on the set, but on those bonus deck.
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+1: Put a 2/2 green wolf token into the battlefield under your control.
0: Discard a creature card or plainswalker, search your library for a creature card, or plainswalker, and put it into your hand. Shuffle your library.
-2: Destroy target creature or plainswalker.
-3: Put a creature card, or plainswalker, from any graveyard, into the battlefield under your control.
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New Garruk (no mana cost)
0: put a 2/2 green wolf token on to the battlefield
+4: target Wolf creature gets +1/+0 and gains deathtouch until the end of the turn
-10: Destroy target creature. Put loyalty counter on Garruk equal to the destroyed creature's toughness.
-25: destroy all the creature not controlled by Garruk
(need some re-wording)
That means the "evolution" of the cycle made in Theros:
Face the Hydra -> Horde -> God -> Garruk
Thoughts?
This was revealed on the Mothership a few days ago. The assumption is that there will be a regular Garruk card in addition to the prerelease activity.
This is indeed true, there is a special Garruk for an event like 'Fight the Hydra' etc. With Liliana Vess reprinting and the fact that the event Garruk is G/B, I would very much say that Garruk will be G/B this time round. Since he is hunting planeswalkers I believe an anti-planeswalker ability may be on the cards (pardon the pun) as many have said thus far, but by the same token (ha - sorry...) a planeswalker ability to kill other planeswalkers thoroughly restricts what a planeswalker does if this ability is an ultimate ability. It will take a while to get to the point when you can use it and by that point situations may have changed... like the planeswalker is already gone or the game is over! Perhaps if it does have any kind of anti-planeswalker ability it could be a -3 or -2 that could "Remove 2 loyalty counters from target planeswalker". Or, he could just be targeting the opponent with some nasty life drain? Who knows! Exciting stuff though!
Oh my God ! i havent seen the above-posted Beast
So then since no other Planeswalker creates Tokens, i bet Garruk will be this one.
This picture also looks very much like Token-Art. Did you notice that the right frontleg on this Beast is missin ?
& you can clearly see black Veins on its whole body. Just like on Garruk himself.
So i think based on all these signs, Garruk will make Beast-Tokens & this probably as a [-] ability.
But different from Garruk Wildspeaker´s Beast Tokens, this Beast looks apparently sick.
It could be that Garruk´s curse weakens it & is smaller in size therefore, but with Deathtouch like with Garruk Relentless´ Wolf-Tokens.
Maybe a version where he's hunting you after you summon him?
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Starting loyalty 5
+1 3/3 beast token
+X deal X times two damage to target creature or planeswalker
On your end step, if you didn't activate any of Garruk's abilities this turn, put a 3/3 beast token on the battlefield under target opponent's control.
On your end step, if Garruk has 10 or more loyalty, you lose the game.
Based on the Soul Cycle, I think it's incredibly likely that the new Garruk will be a creature, not a Planeswalker.
Based on the card art and current storyline placement for the revealed Plansewalkers, they seem to correspond directly with the Soul Cycle.
Ajani - Soul of Theros
Jace - Soul of Ravnica
Liliana - Soul of Innistrad
Chandra - Soul of Shandalar
Nissa - Soul of Zendikar
??? (Probably Karn, possibly a (new) Phyrexian) - Soul of New Phyrexia
That would fulfill Mark Rosewater's promise that there would be 6 Planeswalkers and Garruk in the set in the monkeys paw way his promises usually come true. That would also make sense with the oversized Garruk challenge at the M15 prerelease, we wouldn't be defeating Garruk unless he was about to be defeated in the story (see the Helvault, Dragon's Maze, Hydra/Horde/God).
Storywise, I'm not sure if I'm crazy about the idea but mechanically it would be interesting to see a creature based on a Planeswalker rather than the other way around (ie. Venser). If true, that also makes it possible that the Veil legendary artifact that's been hinted at may interact directly with Planeswalkers. I could see it mechanically being something like:
Chain Veil 5
Legendary Artifact
5T: Target Planeswalker becomes a 0/0 Demon Creature. All Loyalty counters on it become +1/+1 counters.
As for Garruk, certainly mono black. I could see something like this:
Garruk, the Cursed Hunter 3BB
Legendary Creature - Demon Warrior
Wolves and Beasts you control have deathtouch. 1GT: Put a 2/2 Wolf token onto the battlefield. 3GT: Put a 3/3 Beast token onto the battlefield.
i think on my Planeswalker the last 2 abilities are very possible. ( See Liliana Vess´final & a card that does exactly da same).
My guess
Garruk, the Slayer 2BG - (3 Loyality)
[+1] Target creature you control gets +3/+3 & Trample until end of turn. All creatures able to block this turn, must block this creature.
[-1 Put a 3/3 black & green Beast creature token with Deathtouch onto the battlefield.
[-6] Destroy all creatures you dont control & all planeswalkers you dont control.
What if his - ability is "-20: Target player loses the game."
Would definitely fit the killing planeswalkers theme.
I like this idea, though -20 is kinda high unless he gains loyalty fast. Killing a player is a more ensured way to win sure game than most ultimates, but not that much. A strong - ability and that ult requiring 4 activations of his + turns to reach is no better than most ultimates.
I'll take a swing at it. Since the only multicolored planeswalker we have had in a core set is Nicol Bolas and he has a high mana cost Garruk will probably be something like 5gb. he will probably have 4 abilities to try and "push him". But one of them will be really story related, so like -2 destroy target planeswalker.
Hey looks like I was pretty close to the real thing!
I'll take a swing at it. Since the only multicolored planeswalker we have had in a core set is Nicol Bolas and he has a high mana cost Garruk will probably be something like 5gb. he will probably have 4 abilities to try and "push him". But one of them will be really story related, so like -2 destroy target planeswalker.
Hey looks like I was pretty close to the real thing!
Yeah heh gj
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Thank you for your feedback, I really appreciate it The points you mentioned troubled me too, especially the ultimate. But I guess that happens when you try to design a Planeswalker while in a hurry
I made the wolves 2/1 because I felt Garruk with only 1/1s was rather useless against creatureless decks, as he can't really increase his loyalty against those. But I guess you're right.
The ultimate didn't really feel black to me either. I didn't want anything green, because Garruk left most of that color behind, as is indicated by the casting cost. So a lots-of-big-tokens ultimate wasn't good. Something like Rise of the Dark Realms wasn't really Garruk-y, even for a cursed Garruk. I really wanted him to hunt down stuff, and going as deep as into the opponent's library to kill the targets felt right. Just exiling those cards or putting them into the graveyard doesn't really impact the game though, so I wanted to do more with those cards. But I guess I have an idea for that.
-15 Name up to four nonland cards. Exile all permanents with those names target player controls. Search that player's graveyard, hand and library for all cards with those names and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
I guess something like that is better. It feels deeply black to me, and lets Garruk really extinguish his targets. Naming four cards may be too much, but I really like the effect. What do you think about it?
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I'm gonna guess he makes 3/3 black/green beast tokens as a minus ability. I would also guess that if he has an ability that can target planeswalkers that it can also target something else, so that it is not completely useless against planeswalker-less decks.
I would guess that they would want him to see standard play, since he is the poster-child of the set, and if he becomes too anti-planeswalker-y he could be relegated to sideboards to too large an extent.
Perhaps he will have something similar to Garruk Relentless ability, except that it can also hit Planeswalkers:
So either make the anti-planeswalker ability also anti-something-else, or give him 4 abilities so that he has 3 workable abilities even if there are no planeswalkers on field.
I guess they can afford to make him cost a fair bit with Nykthos and other ramp available.
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I honestly expect a mono-black Garruk in M15 if anything, with Nissa appearing in the mono-green slot.
You meant that beast? Look like Thragtusk but more bloodthirsty. You think it is a Token or a regular Creature?
I imagine them going big for this Garruk. A 4 mana version is theoretically possible, but you don't print something as heavy-handed as In Garruk's Wake and theme the set as "Hunt Bigger Game" unless you have a monster of a card to match it. How about...
Garruk, Cursed Beastmaster 5GB
Planeswalker- Garruk
+2 Put a 5/5 Beast Horror token with deathtouch onto the battlefield.
-X Destroy each nonland permanent with CMC X.
-10 You get an emblem with: "At the beginning of each upkeep, each opponent loses 1 life, discards a card, sacrifices a creature, then sacrifices a land."
Starting Loyalty: 5
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Your +2 could be a 3/3 Beast Zombie Trample Deathtouch.
Your -X would be awesome against Token.
I love your -10 but I feel like you should be the one "hunting/destroying" your opponent permanent. Maybe something like "At beginning of your upkeep, for each opponent destroy up to two target permanents. Each opponent lose life equal to the amount of permanent destroy that way." I think discard isn't really for Garruk. Also in multiplayer, it could be great (up to 6 life lost if it's a four free-for-all)
Judging by the funko figures art, liliana is the only one with no new art, wich problably means that there is no new art for her, and i really belive that they will not reprint liliana vess.
Chandra's figure has the Chandra Pyromaster art.
As for Garruk, I'm guessing he will be G/B, based on the fact that we've had both green and black cards with "Garruk" in their name spoiled (Garruk's Packleader and In Garruk's Wake). Granted, Garruk's Packleader is one of the handful of cards that will be Standard legal, but not reprinted in M15, so I suppose it's not necessarily indicative of Garruk's current color alignment.
0: Put a 3/3 Zombie Beast token into play
-2: Destroy target creature
-4: Destroy Target Planeswalker
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I kind of like him as a Sarkhan the Mad clone but I'll be interested to see what we get.
What I'm pretty sure we do know is he makes Zombie Beast's in some way. I agree with those that think the Undead Thragtusk looking thing is a Black Beast Token.
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+1: Put a 2/2 green wolf token into the battlefield under your control.
0: Discard a creature card or plainswalker, search your library for a creature card, or plainswalker, and put it into your hand. Shuffle your library.
-2: Destroy target creature or plainswalker.
-3: Put a creature card, or plainswalker, from any graveyard, into the battlefield under your control.
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This was revealed on the Mothership a few days ago. The assumption is that there will be a regular Garruk card in addition to the prerelease activity.
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So then since no other Planeswalker creates Tokens, i bet Garruk will be this one.
This picture also looks very much like Token-Art. Did you notice that the right frontleg on this Beast is missin ?
& you can clearly see black Veins on its whole body. Just like on Garruk himself.
So i think based on all these signs, Garruk will make Beast-Tokens & this probably as a [-] ability.
But different from Garruk Wildspeaker´s Beast Tokens, this Beast looks apparently sick.
It could be that Garruk´s curse weakens it & is smaller in size therefore, but with Deathtouch like with Garruk Relentless´ Wolf-Tokens.
Hot stuff to duscuss !
1GB
Starting loyalty 5
+1 3/3 beast token
+X deal X times two damage to target creature or planeswalker
On your end step, if you didn't activate any of Garruk's abilities this turn, put a 3/3 beast token on the battlefield under target opponent's control.
On your end step, if Garruk has 10 or more loyalty, you lose the game.
Here's my take on it:
Garruk, V5 2BG
+1: Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a creature or land card from among them into your hand. Put the rest into your graveyard.
-1: Put a 3/3 black Zombie Beast token with Deathtouch onto the battlefield.
-X: Return target non-land permanent with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to your hand.
SL: 3
Based on the card art and current storyline placement for the revealed Plansewalkers, they seem to correspond directly with the Soul Cycle.
Ajani - Soul of Theros
Jace - Soul of Ravnica
Liliana - Soul of Innistrad
Chandra - Soul of Shandalar
Nissa - Soul of Zendikar
??? (Probably Karn, possibly a (new) Phyrexian) - Soul of New Phyrexia
That would fulfill Mark Rosewater's promise that there would be 6 Planeswalkers and Garruk in the set in the monkeys paw way his promises usually come true. That would also make sense with the oversized Garruk challenge at the M15 prerelease, we wouldn't be defeating Garruk unless he was about to be defeated in the story (see the Helvault, Dragon's Maze, Hydra/Horde/God).
Storywise, I'm not sure if I'm crazy about the idea but mechanically it would be interesting to see a creature based on a Planeswalker rather than the other way around (ie. Venser). If true, that also makes it possible that the Veil legendary artifact that's been hinted at may interact directly with Planeswalkers. I could see it mechanically being something like:
Chain Veil 5
Legendary Artifact
5T: Target Planeswalker becomes a 0/0 Demon Creature. All Loyalty counters on it become +1/+1 counters.
As for Garruk, certainly mono black. I could see something like this:
Garruk, the Cursed Hunter 3BB
Legendary Creature - Demon Warrior
Wolves and Beasts you control have deathtouch.
1GT: Put a 2/2 Wolf token onto the battlefield.
3GT: Put a 3/3 Beast token onto the battlefield.
My guess
Garruk, the Slayer 2BG - (3 Loyality)
[+1] Target creature you control gets +3/+3 & Trample until end of turn. All creatures able to block this turn, must block this creature.
[-1 Put a 3/3 black & green Beast creature token with Deathtouch onto the battlefield.
[-6] Destroy all creatures you dont control & all planeswalkers you dont control.
Not too overpowered ?
I like this idea, though -20 is kinda high unless he gains loyalty fast. Killing a player is a more ensured way to win sure game than most ultimates, but not that much. A strong - ability and that ult requiring 4 activations of his + turns to reach is no better than most ultimates.
Hey looks like I was pretty close to the real thing!
Yeah heh gj